DOUBLE FEATURE cEDH GAMEPLAY WITH TOMER OF MTG GOLDFISH - NIV-MIZZET vs CODIE vs VANNIFAR vs AESI

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[@another-dude-named-michael]

"I edit it, you missed it" Fatality, flawless victory

[@markbradshaw3066]

"Cam is on Prime Speaker Vannifar" sure sounded like "Amazon Prime Speaker Vannifar"

[@NOMASTER1021]

wait..... that's not what he said? I heard the exact same thing lol

[@VestigeX3]

the audio of “cam” is cut off a bit weird so it sounds even more like “-am”

[@aninnocentbystander119]

6:20 LEGENDARY joke by Cam here, "Who's Mrs. Direction?" I'm wheezing

[@escobarisanoctopus]

Nate topdecking Rocco is still incredible, but man - you drawing a tutor + Phyrexian Tower... *chefs kiss*

[@chillbein]

Is it sad that I kinda expected Tomer to have these sort of games at a cEDH table? Hope he comes back to actually have a game.

[@Snowjiggles]

He's actually had some success in some other Play to Win videos IIRC. Not that this is totally unexpected of him, but he does usually fair pretty ok

[@markosvafeas]

What's the context for this? Is Tomer generally considered bad?

[@brendans1983]

​@@markosvafeashe is more well known for his casual, budget builds 👍

[@brendans1983]

​​@@markosvafeas he is 1/5 of the MtgGoldfish crew

[@AdmiralSnakbar77]

"Begin. You missed it🙎🏼‍♂️" "I edit it, though🧏🏻‍♂️ 👹 Begin 👹"

[@TrixerFerKids]

"Cast Ad Nauseum" "I thought it would be a One With Nothing" 😆😆

[@IceForPvMGaming]

Bruh, nate with the smart play of noxious revival but drawing the exact 2 cards to get the win is wild 😂 great games

[@TeaHauss]

I think the theory behind countering the tutored thing makes sense when your opponent is spending mana and a card to get the thing. Jeska's Will is usually net positive on mana and while the draw can whiff, you play the best spells off the three anyway, netting another positive. Tldr, Demonic Tutor -2 mana +1 good card, Jeska's Will +1 to +4 mana, +0 to +3 good cards

[@franslair2199]

thing is tutor gets you exactly the card you need while Jeska can get you two lands and a swan song

[@therealax6]

@@franslair2199 While Jeska's Will _can_ get you crap, with the average card quality in CEDH, it sounds risky to rely on that...

[@a_level_70_elite_raccoon]

Maaan, you where not kidding when you said *T U R B O*. That was sick.

[@Chazo140]

I am loving the double game features! Just awesome to see you guys play these games! I have never played cEDH and I probably never will but I get my fix with yall! 👌🏻

[@Worgalphihndor]

I love when my content creators collab. I just started watching y'all's videos recently and seeing timber with a smile on my face

[@spencerparsons3849]

Seeing Tomer play with Rhystic Study is so funny lmaoooo

[@A_Very_Angry_TissueBox]

Hey, I got into CEDH from you guys's videos and I won my first game yesterday with blue farm (don't ask me why I started here. I am looking for a simpler deck) but am having a great time

[@crazykhespar8487]

Try out Kinnan! Way easier place to start!

[@lloydthompson8260]

Congrats!

[@Lorry_Draws]

I'd say tivit is the easiest deck to play, definitely worth a go. Strong too

[@AimbotBrandon]

Hell yeah dude

[@BudgetPubStomper-lr7nh]

Malcolm Tana. No Adnaus no weird breachlines. Mainly you tutor for Glinthorn and go for the W. Mine slants midrange and runs grindy guys like Niv Mizzet and even Orhan Frostfang (gotta use that 4 mana Tana for something so why not pod/evo it into a grindy piece.) you can build it lots of ways though but all very simple and most hands will get you t1 or 2 Malcolm and lots of t3 easy win attempts. Highly recommend. Simple and high win % and it’s not all that common so you get at least a couple hipster points!

[@jacobbono]

Great games! I understand that cEDH decks don't have a lot of flex slots due to the nature of the format, but I feel like the Codie deck should be able to fit at least one fetchable land so that you don't get blown out by Boseiju. It's not like Boseiju is a niche card, this is going to happen a good amount of the games that you play with the deck.

[@Starkipraggy]

there's also assassin's trophy but yes. the thing is i guess it really isnt a blowout at all because like the card quality of the deck makes up for it.

[@bradleymiller4490]

I’m gonna say every single deck should have a basic or two. Not only does it save you from blood moon but when it becomes realized that next to no decks have basics then path to exile becomes soooooo much better

[@jaysuede2627]

Codie going off this consistently is telling me I'm right to pack Nature's Claim whenever possible.

[@colbystoner]

wow cool, i finally get to see a pet deck of mine prime speaker play and they didnt even get to play lol. see you all in 4 years when i maybe get to see them at a table again lmao

[@vexyzdlurkinglegend]

"Who's Mr. Ection?" killed me lmao

[@TheSpiritombsableye]

Mrs Direction. Valent effort.

[@drboolin]

​@@TheSpiritombsableyeValiant* effort. nixe work

[@benjaminb-s7b]

I can SO relate to being that person in the pod who throws in subtle jokes like that 😅 they usually at best get quick chorts

[@isaiahcaudill277]

These codie videos are what made me throw mine together and OMG is it fun. I love all the quick wins and how consistent it is and then also how resilient it can be

[@xeni-1]

Had to check the date on this one! Love the commander choices!

[@rosinx]

"Suggested by our Patron Nick Foles".... me by myself in my room: Like not the quarterback, right?

[@skylarthoma5353]

Wild thought: would Noxious Revival have interrupted the Breach loop at any point? Kinda wondering how the game would have gone if Nate had held onto it

[@mrbelbobaggins8959]

Gotta get one of you guys on commander clash.

[@joshuagodin405]

Everything about this channel from the intros to the outros are amazing 😂. Keep up the positivity and awesome games!

[@anhisfine]

In the 2nd game there was actually a buffer for error as Dylan could have cast LED a 2nd time before casting his Demonic Tutor. Then he would sacrifice LED for UUU with DT on the stack so that he doesn't have to discard Brain Freeze from hand. This line requires fewer cards in the GY to go off (6 vs. 9 that he ended up using)

[@loganjohnston4441]

LED can only be activated at instant speed not as a mana ability so you would have to crack it and discard your hand before casting the spell you’re using the mana on rather than as you’re casting the spell like you can with treasures

[@anhisfine]

@@loganjohnston4441 it's not in issue in this case, Dylan already had BBB floating. He would be cracking LED for UUU. Also since he's casting Demonic Tutor from the graveyard it doesn't matter if he has to discard his hand since he was empty handed anyway

[@Theorak]

Great playing Codie through the counter suits here.

[@Infamouscritter]

Ive never seen someone take two sylvan library hits in a row thats crazy

[@iPhoneeditor]

Codie had a great showing here. I know you guys have talked in the past about it being more on the fringe due to it needing to cast a lot of spells in format that has been taken over somewhat by "midrange hell" and draw engines. I'm curious what your current stance on the deck is.

[@jstrobel3620]

Yall need to try Hidetsugu and Kairi - put all the instant and sorcery clone effects in and like all the counter spells. Goes pretty hard.

[@jackpabich763]

Wish we saw Tomer do some more but dang that Codie deck is impressive

[@bigsil9922]

MISS-direction 😂 I see you cam, the comments are here to give you the laughs that joke deserved 10/10 would watch again!

[@Synced_OW]

That's better than I thought he said...Mister-Erection

[@robertweiss2171]

I’m sure this has been asked before, Do y’all use proxies at all? Such as LED or Mox Diamond? Love the content, watching y’all play and discuss cards has helped me in so many ways, especially when deck building and playing CEDH.

[@blindrocket]

Tomer isn’t even a fan of cEDH. Good on getting him on video playing it lol

[@VestigeX3]

exact number of cards and also exactly the right mana AND color of mana (and also codie using one of those non-dual lands you guys were talking about game 1) perfect ending

[@ChuggaChoo]

I hate building a glass cannon CEDH deck, so my favorite thing to do is to take an existing glass cannon deck like Orvar or Codie, keep the turbo option, and expand it's usefulness beyond it's commander requirement. I built a Codie deck that's just as fast as Profane Tutor/Ad Naseum without the drawbacks of "if codie dies, you may lose the game.". And it has a ~50% winrate so far in CEDH spelltable. I'd love to share the list sometime for anyone who wants it.

[@Schwarz_Krieg]

Hey! I'd totally be interested in seeing another codie list!

[@therealax6]

A Codie list that _isn't_ a glass cannon? That sounds really interesting. Go on!

[@ChuggaChoo]

@@therealax6 it has 97 permanents...

[@Tom-qg7jx]

btw i think in game 2 dylan cant target himself with ancestral visions, because he has protection from blue because of veil of summer or am I missing something?

[@Zephyrferret-v7g]

Veil gives hexproof from blue

[@codyhumble7855]

I just realized how many cards they play with are proxies, paper pictures overlaid on other cards. I do the same thing. Glad to see a channel do this.

[@jacenchrisbaker]

I love getting a new video from my two hipster dads.

[@DabbleDo]

Best BEGIN yet 🙌🙌🙌

[@pap3rkat573]

Your Codie deck is insane Dylan.

[@demonsfurry]

Okay its driving my crazy what the name of the track thats playing when Dylan is going for the win in the second game

[@Persy55]

Daaaaaam Codie was amazing so fun to watch !

[@antoniocardoso7129]

Jesus Cameron! 😂😂

[@redg2012]

Dylans play mats so sick

[@MaximilianoEmanuel.]

Jeska's.Will is a must counter almost always and that one isa must counter.

[@SundayBbq4786]

Good job Dylan! Way to go!!

[@david21216]

Awesome games! Glad to see Cody win some games ✌️

[@TripsAhoy]

Two nice games. GG ❤❤❤

[@MrZoichi]

Gyrados Baja Blast. 🤣🤣🤣 What a deck name!

[@ChaoticMidget_]

It doesn’t really matter, but I’m curious why dylan didn’t play the git probe in hand, it would’ve net him 1 extra card and 1 extra storm on his win turn.

[@MageSkeleton]

The only reason i would call this a "bad game" is because you had a tier A commander up against Tier C commanders. You may as well had just played Nadu, you may as well had just played in a pod where everyone else wanted to play "casual." Speaking of Nadu, the current SS tier commander option, the other "A" tier commanders are those with activated abilities to gain card advantage like Kenrith or Thrassios etc. Kinnon, Enigma, Atraxa, Malcolm, and/or Rog&Sigh. The only other commander options that are not in A tier that could compete are those known for being explosive fast or super control like the Son of Yawgmoth, Yison, Godo, there's a handful of other blue commander options [Note Urza high artificer is "A" tier]. Would love to see another game with Codie but with better opponent commander deck choices. However, i don't expect to ever see such as i'm not a patreon and while i've been interested to join i'd be more tempted [by the ring] if i could support PLAY TO WIN through Giftsendgo.

[@AmateurHourMTG]

On final turn, you probably should have cast Gitaxian Probe to get one more card to dump into grave for Breach "food"

[@joshholmes1372]

I was thinking that too

[@dizzyspell8197]

Double feature!!! Let's goooo

[@10Pugz]

Ok i got a Question why going from trophy mage into Stitcher and stopping there and not into Breaching Hippocamp and from there into a cmc 5 kreature ? Love you work and hopeing to see more.

[@TheGrifcannon22]

Fatestitcher doesn't have haste.

[@raycebannon6422]

I really want to see that Aesi deck do its thing

[@thisisthewayinperth]

best intro EVER !

[@connorsewepegaham1721]

Silly question but do you guys use any proxies? Don’t think I could get into cedh without and i really want to but don’t know how accepted that is

[@lits2722]

the counterspells that are played in CEDH are so narrow, I normally just counter the tutor.

[@RageofVaddix]

Codie is insane! Great games guys!

[@Snowjiggles]

I feel like this is a Codie list that actually has some legs, or at least moreso than previous iterations of Codie I am making this comment at 8:53, so let's see what game 2 looks like. Maybe I'll eat my words

[@squiggless3968]

I tried vannifar once and sorry to the people who are working on the deck but I didn’t have a great time with the deck, I’m sure that I made some mistakes but also that there are a lot of pieces in the format that stop it from doing anything.

[@notimeleft1]

That Codie deck man. lol

[@Crustgg]

Double feature 🥰

[@ondrejprochazka8486]

Guys the weird disco music in the second game really detracts from the experience, plsssss

[@MrLazzzyboi]

do you guys double sleeve?

[@Infamouscritter]

Soo watching so many cEDH videos now , i love the build up , i love the counter battles. I hate the endings they just feel sooo anticlimatic … cEDH wins are the reason i think i dont like it as much. Its the same thing over and over really . But hey this video was awesome and Tomer was dope

[@thefinoll1535]

Man, I hate cEDH but your videos are so good!

[@TheQueerLeaf99]

Nice

[@rodrigotamez5643]

I’m very certain you cannot cast profane tutor from exile if it was not originally suspended. I ran into this issue in my Prosper deck. It would just stay exiled indefinitely.

[@Veznikcpg]

So the cards with no mana cost like profane tutor normally cant be cast, but Codie's ability allows you to cast without paying which supercedes that restriction

[@therealax6]

The reason why you cannot normally cast Profane Tutor is that it doesn't have a mana cost. No mana cost represents an unpayable cost (rule 118.6), which means you can't cast it for its (unpayable) mana cost. On the other hand, you can cast it for an alternative cost, and Codie gives it one ("without paying its mana cost" is an alternative cost).

[@Dylan-vs6sf]

Prosper still requires you to cast the card and pay costs. As profane tutor does not have a cost to pay you can't cast it off of Prosper. However Codie gives an alternate casting cost(cast that card without paying its mana cost). Thus you are allowed to cost that

[@chickenwyngs3646]

Poor Tomer

[@HeyOzUwU]

Some very expensive decks here 😂

[@hellvast1]

BRUH an ad every 1 minute, wtf guys

[@L1AX1M]

4:46 💀💀💀

[@hanschristopherson8056]

Tomer!

[@maxonge95]

Gyarados* :(

[@peteryankowsky]

I’m still in the intro but I’m pretty sure Tomer wins, bc Tomer always wins. 😂

[@theaamanable]

Tomer players like 5 spells across 2 games

[@FranciscoFerreira-oq6em]

The guy is pretty bad :p

[@crazykhespar8487]

Yeah... No. He lost game 2 for everyone. He also managed to play a pretty bad deck very very incorrectly.

[@thengine7]

Ban underworld breach and thassa's oracle.

[@Slimjimm281]

CEDH would be so much better if the commanders really mattered. The Thoracle wins are so lame :D

[@crazykhespar8487]

Aesi isnt a very good deck, and more importantly was played incorrectly. You want to play a very slow control deck vs Vannifar and Codie? You cant develop a 6 mana advantage engine until you have an additional UU open to at the very least threaten 1 or 2 counterspells. Keeping a manavault hand JUST for Aesi (which I suspect is what happened) is just not a good play outside of an absurdly slow meta. Turbo pounces hard and fast. You cant just expose your belly so quickly and obviously. You need to kick them in the shins first.

[@crazykhespar8487]

And giving protection back to Codie... Come on.

[@crazykhespar8487]

Yep. Slapping that LED back on top may have helped. Or, you know, any of the GY combo pieces Codie uses.

[@diegorezi5760]

Aesi is non fucking cedh SORRY BRROOOOO

[@zweis]

12:37 Dylan is lying about not having the win here. He has Underworld Breach and Brain Freeze in hand with Imperial Seal and Veil of Summer and enough cards in the grave to cast both so he could just tutor the LED and win from there. The top deck was mostly irrelevant

[@csimons]

Dylan needed the Phyrexian Tower, that he said he drew for turn, to be able to get the Codie off the board so he can cast Breach.

[@PlaytoWinMTG]

Noooo!! I had spirit guide, breach, wheel of fate, gitaxian probe with 3 cards in my graveyard and no available mana at that time. I discard those cards with lion’s eye diamond, so you see them. I did not think it could have it. Phyrexian tower and demonic tutor were my draws. Demonic tutor allowed me to find LED and brain freeze

[@zweis]

@@csimons Ye for some reason I forgot Codie has a restriction 💀

[@diegorezi5760]

People saying bad things about nadu should watch codi

[@th3giv3r]

GitPro doesn't "reveal" so the other opponents should not be privy to that information

[@6slade]

I'm assuming on resolve the targeted player decided to reveal that information, so regardless of what the card says you are allowed to reveal your hand legally at any time

[@TheGrifcannon22]

Git probe is a little hard to resolve on webcam so often people just reveal

[@Tryc3]

@th3giv3r . Its webcam. Much easier to just reveal to all.

[@joshholmes1372]

Also, the player can reveal the info if they want anyway.