Cataclysm Killed Classic WoW

[@T1cks1]

TLDR: his group couldent do hard content and he ragequits saying raids are too hard and killed classic

[@vanisyn2495]

lol sure... it had nothing to do with the fact that he couldn't find enough people for the raid to begin with....

[@sofienos1]

@@vanisyn2495 there are thousands playing on benediction , most people just don't wanna play on stream

[@ServeMySoul777]

Yup sounds about right to me

[@adrianreichelt7057]

Yes, Blackwing Normal is an insanely difficult raiding experience. The difficulty: Oh uh, ... do mechanics? "What, what's that, that doesn't show up on my irrelevant ass parses".

[@de-so]

This is normal lmao.

[@brucekentallen]

Let me guess... He doesn't get carried, is around 15th in dps and completely malds in the end?

[@Jacob-fz5ho]

everyone else's fault but also blizzard's fault

[@KodamaoftheWeastTree]

Closer to top DPS but only because he recruited a bunch of monkeys

[@BrianKnieling]

It’s actually pretty impressive to be this bad at the game my girlfriend is better and she primarily plays animal crossing now.

[@AndreiGeorgescu-j9p]

​@@BrianKnielinghealing and being told what to do doesn't make her good.

[@UkrRusSlavic]

@@BrianKnieling irrelevant, he was 99 percentile dps back in original Cata and MoP. Who cares about it now

[@TB-sw1tf]

He is surprised no warlocks were signing up. There were plenty of warlocks just none of them dumb enough to join with him and funnel him gear.

[@Not_Hans]

funnel his warrior warlock gear?

[@asasdsaasda]

@@Not_Hans boosting his ass

[@Aveniz]

Also why they give soulstone to dps? instead to have it on tank who got adds :D So many mistakes they made also unholy DK can't use skeleton army in first phase, because blood DK who got adds won't agro it through that army

[@TB-sw1tf]

@@Not_Hans carry him, warrior gear drops, warrior loots gear? hard concept.

[@marc-etiennemercier6584]

@@TB-sw1tf oh yea.. raiding with streamers is like playing monopoly with bankers

[@wheelmangames5366]

Leading a Pug raid. In BWD of all places. You gotta love it!

[@jameskim1505]

Oh memories 😂😂

[@MrCarlinios]

Still giganerfed. 20% less HP, also I swear the damage of boss looks to be nerfed as well. That magmaw kill should have been a wipe at 40% or earlier

[@1Grainer1]

looks good after magmaw, when i was playing there was always problem with not enough mana from healers and not enough dps, funny thing is that i got replaced (druid tank) for a blood DK, who was top of healing done on top of what i was doing, trully balanced class, but that guild only was capable of killing magmaw, omnotron wasn't possible

[@Kahuno-WoW]

​@@1Grainer1I played healer and I remember having big mana issue compared to what I see here that's true 😅

[@piotrjeske4599]

I had similar expiriance with guild . Cata was the casual/dad guild killer. Heck hc dungeons were too hardfor a lot of people at the start

[@nutterbipple]

Dude grouped with a bunch of randos. Wipes to completely avoidable mechanics. Blames Cata for being "overtuned". His goons are mad fights aren't "stand-in-one-spot-spam-2-buttons" anymore.

[@light1998tomachupete]

You know what ? The worst part is that the fights rven in heroic are so much easier than private servers is a joke comoared to thos private servers and people csnt even do this shit on normal

[@KodamaoftheWeastTree]

Mage, Warlock, and DK are literally best classes rn for DPS, but he had literally no Warlocks, only 2 Mages, and 3 DKs, but he’s legit like, “omegalul let’s just run it.”

[@UltimaKrecia]

@@KodamaoftheWeastTree Kinda defeats the purpose of having 10+ dps classes when only 3 are the viable option that everyone defaults to.

[@KodamaoftheWeastTree]

@@UltimaKrecia that’s what caty was like. Everyone was like, “I want Cataclysm as it was, don’t change anything.” That was cata.

[@kyoden1928]

@@KodamaoftheWeastTree what??, sin rogue and arms warrior can beat MAGE in almost every single scenario possible lmao what kind of raids are u guys even doing

[@splatcomics3167]

At the end of the video, you explained the shadowflame / rooting mechanics well, and it took about 3 minutes ... and when asked why you did not explain it previously, to the raiders, you said that you did not want to waste time explaining to people who did not already know. However, if you are going to put together a raid of pretty much random players, you have to assume that they do not know. So by not "wasting time" for 3 minutes to explain the mechanics to them, you in fact ironically wasted about an hour wiping. I understand that patience is thin after doing this content a million times previously, but if you recruit random players, and then do not explain mechanics, you are setting yourself up for a lot of wasted time wiping :-( Love your videos

[@1bullneck1]

He is doing it for content. Don't sign up to an asmon raid if you want to actually do anything productive with your time.

[@SonOfNone]

... More time wiping than the morning after a drunken night out and binging taco bell.

[@Epck]

I full cleared it as the only pug in a raid group guild group that had been raiding in wrath but never actually played cata, RL went down the list of every single thing everyone was doing and each fight we killed with no real wipe prog besides nefarian who is actually hard

[@light1998tomachupete]

The problem is the content is 12 year old, tons of videos of povs and guides the information is there. The people could just see a video and try to undertans the fight or not even thst, just read the book of the mechsnics in game but I think is too much to así before joning a raid cuz people dont play to be better or the best they just wanna "chill " and whatever happens or a carry mind set

[@ReganHarris]

But then bald God wouldn't have content

[@Mr123456rambo]

No caps, no good reforges, no prebis gear, not even play his rotation properly, do less damage than tanks, doesn't explain boss mechanics, doesn't even use a BWD weakaura or DBM, doesn't even read the dungeon journal to understand what he has to do, but he belives he can lead a pug group on week 1 on a pretty hard raid and oneshot everything. Classic streamer expected proficiency.

[@brucekentallen]

holy based

[@fataliity101]

once you install all your addons, you might as well not even play lol.

[@hayimemaishtee]

No addons is the way to play

[@cj55555c]

He still got more money then you

[@La-ld9mn]

@@cj55555c Proof that meritocracy is mostly bull in a world of sycophants that struggle to read.

[@lawfrey3859]

I'm not that hype about Cata, but I don't really see the point this video is trying to make. You have a completely uncoordinated raid, led by a guy who remembers half of the mechanics and who does comms on stream delay. That they even killed the first boss under those conditions is testament to this stuff, at least on normal, really not being hard.

[@vaxxeenmtg9733]

It’s just rage bait for all the 35yr old classic doomers that watch his react content and haven’t played wow in 15 years. Normal is a joke even with pugs, his stream just attracts some of the worst most casual players and this video is only proof of that

[@KimiRai208]

@@vaxxeenmtg9733I think that’s the point he’s trying to make. The casuals of WoW can’t even do a raid on normal difficulty. That’s a huge problem for the game in the long run considering casuals make up the majority of the player base.

[@christianalanwilson434]

"Casual" for teens and college kids is hardmode for gamer dads who also have to pass the IRL raid of trying to hide from their wife and kids long enough to play.

[@cannibalshredz5271]

@@christianalanwilson434 “wife agro” the quasi-mechanic

[@vaxxeenmtg9733]

@@KimiRai208 this is the nerfed version of the raid. We did these raids unnerfed on way shittier PCs, way shittier internet 15 years ago. I cleared the tiers on heroic on a laptop with 5mpbs down. No wowhead guides for optimization. It took wiping and progression and it was fun. The thing is we have all those tools now, so now there’s no excuse for people to suck. If every game has to be dumbed down to LFR level then what’s the point. People hated and still hate LFR yet asmon sits here spawning more people who just want LFR but don’t want to admit it.

[@Omba6666]

I love asmon as a streamer and a content creator, but he has really let himself go in terms of WoW. He needs to realise this, not only is he bitching and moaning about a raid thats actually really easy, but he just cant accept the fact that pugging a uncoordinated raid is just not gonna steamroll normal. Give it a couple weeks and people usually knows what to do, hell he doesnt even know what to do, he needs to stop shifting blame and accept that he is just making himself miserable doing shit, while also looking like a fool complaining about stuff that could be easily avoided with a little bit of effort.

[@BL-qs6iq]

Isn't that part of his appeal though? I love watching Asmon raids for the carnage, I hope they wipe.

[@Omba6666]

@@BL-qs6iq for sure, but i feel like there is a difference in him malding and being genuinly annoyed. I feel like him ranting about the difficulity here is just really sad honestly.

[@al.mandez6721]

​@@Omba6666it's funny. Don't take it so seriously.

[@blep668]

I agree 100%

[@Astral-Projector2389]

You know hes behaving like this to create content right?

[@keytarkrazy12]

What a genius idea to explain the fight AFTER you rage quit. Definitely wouldn't have been helpful for the raid or anything!

[@HelloYersoGae]

Remember he is a content creator first and foremost. He NEEDS to pug this and NEEDS to be seen suffering by his viewers. This isn’t a tutorial, nobody want to watch a super successful raid

[@allensmith2125]

Bro invited a bunch of random players and was like okay we good to go lol

[@MrNoucfeanor]

Ayep. Sad thing is, there are decent PUG raiders that actually know how to play, only to get kicked because you're a PUG player. Then folks bitch about not being able to find anyone... /shrug

[@theforlanjoker4457]

Yeh that's how I raid and we do all HC content, without discord. And it's eu servers

[@theforlanjoker4457]

Are server did all raids normal and heroic on first day

[@cmoney163]

@@MrNoucfeanorso true

[@luciananujic7550]

@@theforlanjoker4457 nothing special,for top guilds who did it before,whats the problem? its not new stuff

[@Zockerjimmy]

Can't wait for Shadowlands Classic. This gonna be WoWs last chance!!!

[@rsEingana]

Lets farm BFA classic islands and Shadow lands Maw and Torgast 😂

[@yousif467]

The war within classic please

[@robs6404]

I’m unironically looking forward to it. Guessing it’ll be 2029.

[@mitchiranger]

@@rsEinganaI nearly just threw up a little reading this.

[@narthvader6298]

This is a very original joke you honestly should be proud.

[@qugo8158]

Where is Gus? We need him in these dire times.

[@cleversonsutil4495]

He's in another raid because he doesn't want to get ninja by his "BF"

[@optimistic5467]

Gus content was peak asmon

[@Bobthejohnny]

As a casual pug I got intemidated watching the Nefarian fight. But then I remember Asmon's 4 hour attempt at Gruul and now I'm chill

[@KinglyMinotaur]

Asmon talking to the group like they're children, and that he understands everything despite clearly forgetting how the pulls work is very funny to me

[@Jarke]

If you watched his past streams he literally called this. He said he’d prob do some raids and rage quit due to the difficulty and party members messing up lol.

[@vaxxeenmtg9733]

His community is full of bad players with shitty takes. Even he knows it was coming

[@FallingForgiveness]

@@vaxxeenmtg9733 wow is full of bad players with shitty takes. Hell, the internet is full of bad players with shitty takes, lets not pretend its an isolated event.

[@Trakhen]

but he's the one messing up? doesnt even know half the mechanics and is bottom dps as an arms warrior like what? Worst WoW player ive seen recently lmfao

[@MC-nt7jz]

most people who play classic are really bad. They don’t seem to care about improving much.

[@Kahuno-WoW]

It was meant to be hard, it really felt like an achievement to kill bosses and I loved it Maybe today gamers prefer easy content but I love the feeling to improve as a guild each weeks (my opinion)

[@imfromtheinternett6155]

I feel ya . It also sucks depending on 24 other people to be competent . I know I play my class/role well but even one smoothbrain can cause a wipe . I mean shit even OG classic/vanilla is like that on some fights . . Heroic raids are fun but god damn do they get daunting when it’s the same people making mistakes over and over again lol

[@HelloYersoGae]

25 man is easier to cheese if you have at least 19 competent players to carry the rest. I’m glad my guild is doing 10mans instead. Three 10 man teams are already moving into heroic modes and the 25man team still can’t get passed atremedes cause too many people are dead from the neck up.

[@Keyy7787]

​@@HelloYersoGaenah same level of losing a player basically screws you on alot of the dps checks on the bosses that matter. There is a reason that they have the same number of completions roughly yet a vast majority of the best players focus on 25m and not 10.

[@soulsharts]

My God, what a rotten attitude. Can't believe people want to play with him.

[@ComettYT]

I started playing wow in march and always heard the veteran youtubers and streamers talk about how raiding and dungeons were so difficult and how it was very unapproachable by new players, and it made me very scared of trying to do raids and I tried to avoid them as much as I could. BUT Literally 4 hours into cataclysm and every single boss was already killed in my server, and after only 1 week people were already looking for groups to farm spam the raids and dungeons, including myself. I think the fact these people got last expansion lvl gear, no consumables and only play once per month has probably more impact on them turbo wiping nonstop rather than the raid being actually hard.

[@d6v9]

@@ComettYT and honestly, where's the fun in something that everyone else can do so easily, raids are supposed to be hard and for people who actually know, enjoy and play the game.

[@marc-etiennemercier6584]

You can already tell a minute in that it's gonna be a failure but that's exactly what he wants... for content. I wouldn't join either lol.

[@imyournme6632]

@@ComettYT The truth is that the best players rush these things asap, while the rest of the community which is 99% of them are complete dog shit players that legit think they can hold a candle to asmongold. Unironically, i was top 10 enhancement m+ shaman in shadowlands and i'm nowhere near asmongolds level of skilllevel. This dude spent more time playing wow, than sleeping in his life.

[@ravador]

This sort of toxic raid leading is what killed the game.

[@bashvash]

What about people who can't take 5 min to watch a vid on all the raid bosses from a 14 year old raid to get an idea of what to do instead of just expecting someone else to explain it to them so that they don't wipe the group? You ever have someone hire at your job and they don't bother AT ALL to try and learn anything? Show up late, still takes a minute to finish their/food drink before they clock in, goes to their position and just does the most half assed lazy job with no care or pride. Feels like you end up reteaching them the same shit you teach them every shift you work with them? They never ask questions about how to do things better / right? There were a lot of those people in this raid.

[@ravador]

@@bashvash A raid isn't a job. This is the exact problem with raiding. Toxic people liek you, demanding people who just came home from their real job to treat the game as another job.

[@bashvash]

​@@ravador What was toxic about what I said at all? The part where I want people to be held personally accountable? Where I expect people to make a little effort? A raid, much like a machine, works best when all of its parts are doing what they're supposed to be doing. If you're doing 10 man content, and 2 of your dps are under the tank, would you just continue wiping to the same dumb shit or would you speak up? Ima speak up my guy. I don't want to be the guy every week fucking up the mechanics, forcing the group to wipe and wasting everyone elses time. Maybe you're okay with that. I'm not.

[@cheetahentertainment3374]

“Time to do the only thing i brought you in here to do, soulstone” “What’s that”

[@derodigital]

died laughing at this one

[@Nicon94]

time stamp?

[@AnotherAntonio]

He literally never said that

[@soggybreadjohnson]

7:50

[@brandonnelson6076]

7:40 sorry don't know how to hyper link

[@RavenIV]

Tbh, everything from vanilla to cata should be free to play, it would finaly end that divide between players that are stuck on private servers and offi players...

[@NoNo-ll8og]

No, botting is already a huge issue. Free to play would make it much much worse

[@RavenIV]

@@NoNo-ll8og thats entirely on blizzard, they should have the means to deal with it permanently, long ago

[@yummychips_]

​@@RavenIV idk what you mean by them having the means to stop botting. As far as I know every major MMO has bots no matter what. I do agree with you that they should make it f2p. It would require massive rules tho if they want to reduce botting. I got some ideas. I am not sure it would be fun tho, and those private server and offline players might not enjoy these implemented rules and ideas. 1. Gold lock and limit. You can not use gold for player trades, mail, and there is a strict limit based per expac. 2. No AH. You can not use the AH to buy or post items. You can still directly trade items, but you will not be allowed to trade items for gold as gold trading is disabled. 3. No wow tokens, you can't buy or sell wow tokens with real money or in game gold. This is a big one, and it will automatically encourage botting if available. 4. Expac lock. You only play upto to a expac, and you may choose to raise that character up or not, but it isn't reversible. You may not acquire any item from the next expac from any source, trade, farming, drops, etc etc. You may not enter zones of those expac or do any quests related to the next expacs. These are some VERY heavy rules, but I believe they are required if you want a f2p that won't break the game. You have to understand, if f2p was just let loose up to what ever expac, there are countless ways to exploit it. The game was never designed for it, and people will abuse the system. People would make thousands of bots to farm lower level content 24/7 and flood the market with infinite gold, materials, and services. There is no easy solution, as if you allow any of the mentioned features still active, people will find a way to abuse.

[@RavenIV]

@@yummychips_ regarding wow token, if it would be f2p, token loses meaning, so no token required. By the rules you just stated you would just created a bit more prolonged free trial retail has now, which is the worst free trial of all MMOs, so no, there is no point to even go f2p. As of expansion locks, we are talking base game and first 3 expansions which are decades old, fucking why would you restrict them.... Regarding bots, yea, they would be a plague, perma bans to all of them and All the available means to get them out so for those brainrot people that create them even that idea to create a bit would be missery

[@aliengreen2364]

But blizzard thinks private server players might wanna pay them 15$ a month to play offices classic lol

[@AnotherAntonio]

I love seeing his enthusiasm decline every time he does classic raids

[@greenchilistudioz4537]

Cata classic looks fun, leveling is a lot more smoother and not frustatling slow with community that likes to gatekeep leveling and dungeon farming from looks of it.

[@apensalesman]

Who gatekept leveling? Huh???? Unless you mean incursion spamming SoD I guess

[@daqimber]

Asmon failed as RL in several aspects : healer assignment, raid cooldown rotation, clear task assignment. you can just assume people will do exactly what needs to be done in PUG raid , when they never killed (or maybe they did 10 years ago) Raids on normal are not that hard , but with randoms puting together (checking only ilvl) and not really leading them you simply can fail. And that is ok. Nefarian should not just fall over , because random unprepared group shows up.

[@Keyy7787]

I'm om you side to an extend he def should have done more especially with how bad the group was doing but as someone who has already cleared the content and raid lead everything from pugs to gdkps to guild runs it easily adds an hour to a run just explaining fights and it's really not that hard to spend a few mins watching a tldr guide on the fights. There are obviously some things that need to be pre decided in every raid but it's just better to get the important things out pull it and see what needs to be done to make it a better pull. Some level of minium effort has to be there though you don't deserve to clear the content if you just expect to show up know nothing and get carried or be the cause of the failure of the group imo.

[@noided583]

Streamer man pugs raid with viewers and has a bad time. Who could have seen this coming?

[@Syndroo]

Streamer man continues to whine about a game he still plays while saying he’s quitting only to keep playing and continuing to whine

[@fenneck9676]

​​@@Syndrooyeah he quit but he didn't say he going to stop playing the game.

[@sanelseferovic2035]

he always crying :D

[@frewthelookingglass860]

@@Syndroohe quit playing the game as a full time job

[@redeyes3847]

@@Syndroocry

[@TW-sq5ix]

Turns out Asmon is garbage at WoW. Who would've thunk it?

[@sykowhite9465]

he was always garbage at the game. Its just he played 12h a day, not even that helped him be good. He is mediocre at best.

[@furyon9816]

like literally most WoW KZbinrs? :D

[@JanNohyl-gp4jz]

@@sykowhite9465 i mean running around in the city is and "complaining" about shit isnt really playing

[@Megarichkid]

@@JanNohyl-gp4jzmy guy he gets paid sick stupid money for practically doing nothing. He doesn’t need to be good at anything or play in a certain way

[@johnneill9740]

SOD Server I am on has gone from super busy with people everywhere to dead in less than a week, stone cold dead, even the summon spammers are gone.

[@rockhopper01]

And we’re growing like a weed on Deviate Delight.

[@josephxp96]

Don’t forget about MoP: Remix that also doesn’t help

[@carnifexia1725]

classic era is active as of this moment

[@M1ntberrycrunch]

Next patch will revive it. People hop between all the WoWs now

[@FrostyIgnition]

Because everyone’s been done with phase 3 for weeks. There is literally nothing to do other than farm gold like a zombie.

[@traviscue2099]

The death of wow started in TBC, flying mounts and leaving Azeroth in hindsight were massive issues

[@muumuumu]

LOI getting carried again lmao

[@doggypopa2000]

It also killed WoW when it first came out

[@CL-jq1xs]

Not "killed" because it has to be dead already for that to make sense. Wow is not anywhere near dead as it is. Slowly dying? Yes. Dead? No.

[@MarkKatz2772-jg3tc]

This. I played since late BC and I also think Cataclysm was when WoW quality first took a SERIOUS dip down. I personally think Pandaria wasn't as bad as many people see it, though it was still a far cry from how it was before. And ever since then... Yeah.

[@ScorpBerserker]

Cataclysm was fine. We were able to return to Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms from that distant high level only sandboxes of Outland and Northrend. Pandaria and Dreanor was trash though.

[@inferno8008]

​@@MarkKatz2772-jg3tc I think Cata class design and talents were perfect..the old system..and it feels more complete that wotlk..

[@henrikswanstrom9218]

@@MarkKatz2772-jg3tc Vanilla, TBC, Wrath were goated, mostly due to nostalgia. Cataclysm was when the game started to feel worse to play. Not sure exactly why. It wasn't disasterous though, just felt worse than before. In MoP the game became good again, one of the best expansions imo. The PvP felt great due to the "ability bloat" and Throne of Thunder is probably the best raid Blizzard ever has done. Draenor was the first expansion that was outright garbage and the real downfall of WoW. Legion was an amazing expansion and on par with the other great ones. But after Legion it all just fell apart. Everything released since has been mediocre at best if not outright uninspiring and boring.

[@MichZilla90]

What happened to the outro music?? :(

[@nakano15]

His videos doesn't have outro music for years.

[@bighammer624]

I mean wtf did you expect... I knew they were on the rock when they let classic go past Lich..

[@MattDamon69]

Omg like omg ur so smaht 🥴🥴🥴

[@janl5879]

BUT I WANNA PLAY MOP PVP EVERYBODY SAYS IS SO GOOD AND GREAT but I DIDNT PLAY ITITITIITT was born to late

[@SpocksBro]

Dude, Classic WoW ded

[@vividly94]

@@janl5879 Good luck whacking people for 10 minutes and getting no where.

[@janl5879]

@@vividly94 getting no where? bro i dont play this as a esport i just wanna play some arenas and have fun thats all lol get a life touch grass i like clearing my raid in a blink get fast geard and do nothing and play a bit of arenas RBG thats my jam on retail i cant do that

[@PaulRoneClarke]

I get some people loved Cata, and are really happy with this. Glad Blizzard did this.... BUT They should have Classic through TBC and WotLK on a rolling server rest loop sort of thing. 15 months per expansion perhaps. 4 year cycles ( a few months at the end for catch up) Because for me the game ended with Cata. I know others disagree and prefer Cata. More power to you. But many people Cata was the end. So now "Classic" WoW is forcing us to play "none Classic WoW" or leave the game altogether (Not a fan of SoD either) Almost like Blizzard want to drive people back to private servers. Which TBF - is where I've gone.

[@mathewwright5699]

Absolutely agree, they already have the infrastructure, shouldn’t be too hard for blizz to do it…. I think they will eventually but idk when.

[@ASNS117Zero]

Back, back to Warmane we will go.

[@Gobig4l1f3]

This would be really cool to see. Blizzard is well capable of doing this. I have recently joined pservers myself. This constant meta driven theme is getting old. I'm a casual MMORPG gamer, and the RPG aspect is long gone.

[@viktorgabriel2554]

no let the game die stop paying them until Blizzard actually dose a good job

[@inferno8008]

Wait..so the classic servers have progressed to cata themselves? I thought they kept them intact 🤔

[@ozzyrulez2008]

I can still remember progressing this raid with my guild in original cata. It was wayyyyy to hard even in normal compared to previous raids we had done as a guild.

[@kyoden1928]

is not that hard bro, i killed first 2 bosses in heroic in a pug we wiped around 12 times on magmaw and like 20 on robots

[@Dyondegekste]

@@kyoden1928 It's nerfed in classic Cata. It was hard back in 2010 lol.

[@hasaki_oce4611]

​@@kyoden1928lmao back then, if you were so bad to wipe 12times on magmaw, youd wipe 200 times on robots.

[@lady_legs1968]

This was blizzard's last chance, how could they

[@Luna-wk7kf]

Satire?

[@truepatrician4700]

Their 28th last chance but i swear THIS TIME they won't get away with this

[@ollicron7397]

​@@Luna-wk7kfyeah it was their 28th last chance, get with the program.

[@kyleshuler2929]

How could they? They could because yall keep giving them money lmao

[@UncleHooston]

Don’t worry, I’m sure they’ll get plenty of other last chances.

[@bigdawg7000]

Bro couldn't clear normal LMFAO

[@Startrance85]

Not gonna lie, i completely forgot Cata had released.

[@EnderGoku9001]

Yea, I've been on Hardcore ever since

[@Strewgle]

​@@EnderGoku9001 Holy hell people still play that? I forgot it existed

[@thadood4373]

You just lied

[@xMorbidArtx]

I didnt, because it was the day i unsubbed from WoW and resubbed to the gym.

[@keypos7]

You're missing out one of the expansions with the best gameplay

[@tylerrogers1066]

I almost joined this group when they raided yesterday. I inspected like 4--5 people and knew it was going to be a shit show.

[@Big.Stepper.]

I was on last night there were like 500 people standing around org... so...

[@Gunplabro]

>There's only one mechanic. There are at least 4 unique mechanics going on here, Asmon.

[@Kahuno-WoW]

😂 I swear

[@StrivingGreatness]

He’s meaning ones that will wipe the raid aka kill people 😂

[@HelloYersoGae]

Move, kite, interrupt. What’s the fourth? All movement based mechanics is still just moving so it’s not a separate mechanic to move out of lightening and move out of fire

[@Dylamos]

As someone who's led raids for YEARS I can honestly say. Even when you explain things. A huge chunk of players will refuse to listen and it really does end up being a situation where you just beat on a dead horse. So Asmon isn't completely wrong, the game shouldn't need to get that much easier though. If it does need to get that much easier, the game should just die, because the fact is. It would mean the people who are playing it, and want to continue to dumb it down, aren't looking to actually play the game or a video game at all. They just want rewards and act like effort in a game === job. If that's you and you agree that games need to be dumbed down; to a point where rewards come simple and easy. You're not a gamer anymore, move on and don't ruin the thing you loved just because you feel entitled. It doesn't mean I think it should be in this current state though, SOD is a great medium IMO most people can clear it but not everyone. That would be a great start

[@aussieraver7182]

I tried raiding Stormwind. Its not fun anymore. The guards are the same level has you, they range, they range through walls and everyone flys. The Alliance just flys ontop of me and its over. Before, I would burst someone, then play hide n seek; running through the tunnels, trapping, and disengaging over the canals. Best fun ive ever had. And now its gone.

[@Jello_Criminal]

World pvp was on its way out once they took away honorable kills unfortunately, my best memories were as a resto druid running into a full party and being able to out heal their damage and get away.

[@snackerrr]

The warlocks are in Snutz´s channel not Asmons :D

[@TheWisdomTree77]

I can’t wait for Legion Classic Season of Discovery in a few years, the true classic wow experience

[@Avatar_of_Chairness]

That's when WoW's really back

[@TheBugB]

I can’t wait for classic The War Within I’m so hyped

[@Avatar_of_Chairness]

@@TheBugB I'm more pysched for it than retail TWW

[@SeaStone47]

Get a new joke for the love of God

[@MrGhosTRideRrR]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH SUCH A FUNNY ORIGINAL JOKE I TOLD MY DAD THIS JOKE HE DIED LAUGHING LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA WAR WITHIN CLASSIC IN 10 YEARS POG HAHAHAHAAHAHAGHA

[@Obliv210]

WotLK killed wow. Cata ensured the grave stayed buried.

[@chronicles8324]

Finally the truth.....yes thats when my guildies started going awol. LFG was one of the big killers as it killed social. Also they started to insert level boosting and started tinkering with the 1 to 70 level experience to make it easier. Doing all of those leveling short cuts killed off the importance of each class because it was a lot easier to level an alt. The later Zones in WOTLK were rubbish.

[@adriansmith5241]

Agreed this is when I quit wow, lfg killed exploration of world map

[@ZeolGamings]

The shoulder and pants don't stack from my observation. I usually keep the shoulders a stun and the pants as a shield or damage increases.

[@walterdowney9999]

I’m just waiting for season of discovery classic and followed by classic wow classic

[@lordtimberly7421]

You mean "OG vanilla classic+++ classic reboot"

[@slavo316]

We'll need a Championship Edition too

[@Forky89]

dam bro classic wow classic had me kekw

[@ProjectpvpProduction]

Honrstly cata is a hidden gem and we didn't know what we had back in the day. This is what vanilla + should feel like. Fleshed out classes, balanced pvp, gearing system that allows you to have a job and still be competitive, and some nice way of life changes that gets rid of useless down time. Been having more fun on cata than i did for all of classic vanilla.

[@apensalesman]

Pvp was the only thing that got me through cata. Leveling 1 to max took no time compared to the classics and I wasn't a raidlogger. I wouldnt say it's what vanilla+ should be, but it did have some aspects you'd wanna see in it possibly

[@ProjectpvpProduction]

@@apensalesman yeah the leveling pace is what makes it feel rewarding. You can actually finish characters and play alts.

[@apensalesman]

@@ProjectpvpProduction That's fair. To me it feels less rewarding. I get done in no time flat and go "...cool I guess this is end game". Just searching for groups in my finder, doing some pvp and existing. Before it felt rewarding to finish a character. Now it's just kinda a basic function.

[@ProjectpvpProduction]

@@apensalesman yeah I can agree, but only the first time. After that it's super tedious and basically impossible unless you no life. Not to mention a vast majority of the community agrees even if they hate to say it. Most players who actually put time in the game did everything they could to skip past that. In classic vanilla, everyonnneeee and their mother dungeon spammed or bought a mage boost. At least now you have time to try other things or hone your skills on your main via pvp.

[@dontneedtoknowmyname.6828]

​@@apensalesman"To me it feels less rewarding", Not everything needs to be a marathon to feel "rewarding". Fact is, the harder it is to achieve progression in a video game the more dead it will be as a result. I don't know about you but I'd rather the games i play be full of player activity.

[@DerNesor]

Watching asmon play wow makes me nostalgic and sad

[@toddallen7436]

So they captured the spirit of the original expansion, nice.

[@RybadYT]

What do you mean? Cata is pretty well received by everyone playing.

[@Oakwin_mb]

@@RybadYT it being hard makes some people quit lol

[@tedk.6420]

@@RybadYT Back then people would get frustrated in raids because they're hard, and now in classic Cata people are getting frustrated all over again over the same bosses lmao

[@Blackstar-ti4py]

​@@Oakwin_mb theres nothing hard there so far

[@pezweb]

What realm is this?

[@ryanmcghee7449]

Lol asmons fantasy realm

[@captburnside]

"couldn't be me ... mine's on CD"

[@Stevenonymous]

Funny how Asmon talks about how DBM shouldn't be allowed, but he clearly needs it to do any fight that isn't just face rolling

[@kurotsuki12]

The raids are harder because using DMB is a thing...

[@Arthur_Grey34]

Thats the point. The raids have been designed around players using DBM for a very long time with some raids worse than others.

[@awsomedudeguy12]

You're so close to figuring it out.

[@ttvBonks]

you're grasping what Asmon's getting at, yet somehow, still not understanding it because ADS.

[@Stevenonymous]

@@Arthur_Grey34 cata raids are not that hard if you just learn the mechanics. You don't need DBM. but he doesn't even try. It's not like the raids in the recent expansions

[@kyleshuler2929]

Makes sense. It killed actual WoW too.

[@acillius2]

Na, the stupid useless player base did that.

[@Richard-lc3jc]

stop yaping wow never gonna die

[@Amateracu1991DFFOO]

Cataclysm was a good expansion up until the last patch.

[@greenchilistudioz4537]

@@Amateracu1991DFFOO Last patch gave us transmoggin and made raids more relevant with LFR.

[@MrMittenshasatophat]

The server numbers for cata classic are abysmal too. Literally nobody asked for cata classic

[@divine_plays8115]

why isnt reck on his bar and why doesnt he use it? u can use it as arms lol

[@IteratorPlus]

If it was a Horde pug good chance would have done it. Though still surprised that Classic has not added cross faction raiding yet like Retail.

[@Andrew-po8nt]

imagine playing Classic the most gatekept and elitist game ever the community is so toxic and meta slaves they ruined the entire game

[@kayjay7626]

Hahaha yeah I was thinking about opening up wow and levelling up again but then I remembered wrath and how fucking toxic classic became and turned on fallout 4 instead

[@adventurekobold]

How tf? My guild (formed on launch week) cleared every raid in one sitting reading the mechanics out of the journal 30 seconds before pull.

[@ritchy3875]

Never ceases to amaze me how bad classic wow players are, more than one mechanic and they cant grasp it, truly impressive.

[@AlvinEarthworm]

Exactly this. Classic players are absolute dullards who don't know what they truly want.

[@TheBugB]

Spoken like a true retail Andy

[@Oh-Ben]

Id still kill to see retail players try to figure out sunwell

[@Oh-Ben]

Also, lets not get ahead of yourself here, you couldn't do a single mechanic without an addon or a guide

[@GentlemanJasper]

Not all of us. I completed 7 hc bosses already. Its not that hard at all. Super fun tbh!

[@Aesyrbane]

When raids became too hard to pug, the game died. I kinda agree with Asmon. If you need an organised group to do the easiest entry level content, the game is too hard. At the same time, LFR making it so you could just queue to raid took any interactions out of the game.

[@iibadsportii690]

or that group just need to get better lmao youre part of the group thats bad at the game go back to ff

[@mikko3]

Lol "interaction", someone spamming lf for ppl for Ulduar and you whispering to him to invite isnt any different than oressing a button. LFR is perfect for people like you

[@daqimber]

completely disagree, RAIDs are about getting together with other peple , learn tactic and then progress through the raid. If total randoms can clear whole raid with pre-raid gear and without knowing the tactics THEN its wrong.

[@madeo4922]

@@daqimber It's crazy that ff14 literally did all the things you called "wrong" and still has a great raiding scene, like how is it even possible

[@arzitic2443]

Bro literally right now on retail you need to interact with others to get into a raid and normal raid is a complete faceroll to pug under any circumstances and even heroic is puggable in under an hour by people who know what’s going on. I think what you really mean is WoW died for you when you had to press more than 2 buttons and do more than 1 mechanic lol but millions of people disagree and actually enjoy a challenge and progressing.

[@Happymouth1]

"Pfft you wanted to do a raid without sharing a 10 page google doc of strats and mechanics with references to Icyveins and Wowhead? What a ridiculous expectation to have when trying to enjoy a video game. You didn't even at least make everyone download 12 addons and have them research the game for a week beforehand? Fuckin bad gamr"

[@LanceCarmony]

Sound like a quitter

[@Jacob-fz5ho]

Correct, don’t play wow on heroic if you cannot do this.

[@kyoden1928]

@@Jacob-fz5ho ppl wipe in SOD and era MC to random trash xd

[@theefranchise1299]

dude, i thought id never says this, but mad respect for asmond actually being fair with loot..but not surprised hes bottom dps..

[@WorldofRasshadow]

Its funnny how classic players generally think theyre playing the hard version of wow and yet now everyones saying classic is dead because cata is too hard 🤣

[@goofballgaming3216]

No its funny when retail players say its easy, try it, get obliterated and go back to retail and talk shit about classic

[@vaxxeenmtg9733]

Cata content isn’t hard, it’s just hard compared to everything before it. and the average 35yr old gamer can’t hack it so they cry and go back to vanilla or most of them aren’t even playing and just cope by commenting here that cata killed the game. YOU quit because you didn’t want to improve or have to try to clear content

[@musiciancapybara]

@@goofballgaming3216 Not a single incident like that has happened. BWD hc is easy as bricks, not to mention normal mode. Im not even joking retail LFR is harder than this

[@WorldofRasshadow]

@@goofballgaming3216 get obliterated by what??? 😂😂😂

[@iannihilatesgaming]

@@musiciancapybara alright lets not get crazy with the capping here lol.

[@Gabriel-vm9qu]

idk about wow, but I am interested wizard man

[@shirrenthewanderer414]

I just want to point out this this guy is playing A CHARACTER. He doesn't actually believe the stuff that comes out of his mouth, he just wants the attention. It's like the AVGN and the Nostalgia Critic. Those are personas of James Rolfe and Doug Walker. The "characters" are fictional.

[@MistaChedda]

Lmao cope harder lil bro

[@algumnomeaihehe]

source: I have a parasocial relationship with this man. don't smoke out of a pvc pipe kids

[@mojotmn]

I killed Ony in phase 1 in era and Nef in phase 3. Why they're alive again?

[@MrTR1M256]

why does he play the game at this point?

[@brucekentallen]

can't accept he's washed, always trying to prove something and it gets blown on his face and ofc proceeds to narcissistically (?sp) blame everything except himself

[@cmoney163]

Because we keep watching his wow content

[@ToastyTubee]

Dead last dps every fight, negative comments every fight, and worst raid lead call outs I have ever heard. This guy is an absolute disgrace to the game.

[@FallingForgiveness]

@@brucekentallen literally calls himself washed up in regards to wow, once you succeed in life there's no reason for being good at a game to be your identity and so he doesn't give a fuck. (literally his own words)

[@IKeepGettingFlagged]

@@FallingForgiveness success in general is subjective. Financially, yeah, no one can argue. But in other areas of his life, I'd argue otherwise and they'd be pretty strong arguments.

[@chadrichards8930]

Cataclysm is the best expansion and idgaf what anyone says. Better than wrath and every single expansion after cata got worse.

[@astrayamatu]

as a vanila player i am glad to still have those good old memories from not playing rereleased classic good old times

[@thedman623]

For Magmaw there is a trick we used to do. Parasites always spawn on the isolated target if there is one. We used to have ranged DPS stack in one part of the room and one hunter or mage stand alone on a broken patch of ground. Melee dps would stack on the boss with tanks. Parasites would then errupt on the isolated hunter/mage and you can see the fire circle where they would spawn. When they errupt isolated hunter/mage has one job, to slow them and kite them not getting hit! You get infested if they hit you. They dont change agro so RDPS can change to them and AOE them down while the kiter kites them. You make the fight very easy by doing it that way. When they are dead kiter returns to the spot and repeats the process.

[@Ulkroz]

This is the same thing that happened to me, and I have been playing solo since Cata. I love the game and I don't want to quit, but the endgame isn't fun for me.

[@mr.meatsoup5639]

How does cata end game differ from wotlk? You do dungeons, raid, pvp and farm gold. Thats it. The only real difference is that Cata is a bit harder.

[@rianeagan2693]

@@mr.meatsoup5639 I always get confused by that. People wanted the classic experience. Like in tbc or classic classic, where roles mattered and it was challenging and strategy. But we have that in cata but a maybe a little harder and then it killed wow? It’s the same shit brah

[@Oakwin_mb]

@@rianeagan2693 nothing in classic was challenging

[@rianeagan2693]

@@Oakwin_mb so I guess that’s why people liked it?

[@Oakwin_mb]

@@rianeagan2693 yes, unironically

[@poorpriest4549]

Tbh WoW is dead not because of Cata or anything, it is dead because the content is scheduled. I want to play when I can, not find a way to squeze a bit of time. That's why mythic + was such a blast in Legion, no more guilds, just hop on search and find a group to do content. At some point even the most casual guilds become a burden, because life gets pretty random when you actually start living outside your basement.

[@iyaramonk]

I get you but 5 man content in wow fucking sucks

[@Austinalien]

I just don't think an MMO is for someone who can't schedule out a couple to a few hours of their week. It requires effort, and if you can't put in the time for that, MMOs are not for you.

[@poorpriest4549]

@@Austinalien Tbh it's just the raid system that ruins it. Lock outs etc. I was playing Aion back in the day just fine, GW 2 even better in that aspect since you can get almost the best gear in the game with crafting and farming open world. Raiding have too much "work" and very little fun. I've been in a lot of guilds when I had time, from casual to semi-hardcore and I can tell, that you can become forever bench-man by not showing for 2 - 3 raids, because you have to deal with some IRL shit.

[@Kaairve]

​@@poorpriest4549 Can relate. I was just recently in a "casual" raiding guild on WoTLK which had a discord room and if you wanted to take a day off you had to report it. I had to take like 2 weeks off the game and stopped showing on raids so they started to spam msgs to me and then I got kicked out. I felt more pressured then I'm in my work place. So fckn toxic.

[@NatoRadeX]

Everything in life works off a schedule, if you cant fit in a 1-2 hour raid window in your day regardless of random stuff happening then you shouldn't be playing an MMO.

[@Pwnido]

stop dps continues to hit the boss

[@Pacifica_909]

I've said it before and Everytime i get white knights defending him... Asmongold is a mediocre player at BEST. Dude has good takes and is entertaining to watch, but in every game I've seen him play he's just "meh"

[@lordcheche5481]

Cataclysm didn t kill "classic wow", Cataclysm killed "The Wow", that s when I left wow in general. I came back for classic and leave again b4 cata.

[@EricEyetooth]

Why did you quit Cataclysm?

[@DJme17]

Cata didn't kill anything except for people who can't do mechanics. If you want to face roll raids without doing mechanics, vanilla servers are still out there.

[@VelcroZippers]

1:57:30 in with the crash, That one specifically drove me nuts with my new PC and I finally found the solution. Please Please Please read this. The solution to the crash is because having a 13900K CPU, I had the exact thing happen and took a while to figure out it was that specific. Using Intel Extreme Tuning Utility and just change the Performance Core and Efficient Core Ratios down just by 1 each. Its a WoW issue with 13900K specifically. I never had a single crash after that with WoW again.

[@NedPlanter]

Anyone thinking they'll get the original experience from these re-runs is wrong, the magic wasnt just the expansions it was the old style community, before sharding and layering when servers felt alive.

[@alexsimon1798]

i mean i remember when his raids couldnt clear gruul lair.

[@JonathanRoberts-d1b]

LOL

[@twocardjack2593]

how is the numbers not abbreviated for him? i haven't been able to figure out how to unabbreviated the numbers

[@NOXGrizzly]

Its so strange to see blizzard going Expansion with Expansion back to the same old overtuned Trash everybody hated like not even trying to come up with something and even more dense are the people who buy it, almost depressing to think that its first 3 expansion were the peak and after that its a soulless game with a shit story for years and years to come. Now they got like 5 different WoW 's and still its all dogshit. Atleast private servers have some type of different machanics or instances. Blizz was like" Nah...let em play that shit all over again"

[@tmann986]

"I don't want to sit and wipe in classic wow for like 3 hours..." That's what a weakass casual would say.

[@Retrox1989]

Asmon "Everyone here should know what they are doing" Warlock seconds earlier who didn't know what a summon was

[@thadood4373]

Warlock was trolling obviously.

[@Amplifymagic]

Asmon should have calling it what it is, a summoning portal, it's not a stone lmao

[@Lou-jl4ov]

Warlocks almost non-existent in Cata. Miserable.

[@mikes.6251]

@@Amplifymagic i can tell you’ve never played wow because almost everyone calls it a stone.

[@Amplifymagic]

@@mikes.6251 lol no, people call it a closet over a stone. A big healthstone cookie jar is more likely called a stone than a portal dummy.

[@stefeehd3307]

Yesterday my group did a test run (officialy we are starting to raid next reset so this was just to get item or two) with 2-3 ppl well below 346. Its an understatement to say we demolished the whole raid. It was so easy i got surprised and somewhat dissapointed since im a private server player on cata till classic came out.

[@mortvald]

It's nerfed to the ground, otherwise retailers and classic andies would wipe on the adds and cry to blizzard. we can't have that.

[@BlueEternities]

Thanks for reminding me why I quit playing WoW.

[@thadood4373]

You didn’t quit

[@LeesArts]

too hard for you as well? lmao

[@BlueEternities]

@@LeesArts More like massive waste of time and energy. The content itself is not difficult at all, especially with the addons available. Being forced to rely on stupid people to raid is what drove me away.

[@LeesArts]

@@BlueEternities sure it is xD

[@preoximerianas]

I’ve never even played WoW but every time I hear about the way its raids work I think “who would waste their time doing this”. Everything just seems so tedious and unnecessarily long. ​@@ambassadoroftheandromedagalaxy

[@VIP-Exciusive]

NOTE: I haven’t watched this video yet.. but with the title I will say this. Cata prob has the most active player base cause we were all 16-24 during this time and the content wasn’t “here’s free gear” CATA HYPE ☝️

[@Osk42]

Wow Classic starts at 60. Next phase will bring back some players, I hope...

[@bradybuttataki]

last night we pugged all of TFW and BoT in 4 hours without prescreening anyone. these raids are easy. hope he has better luck going forward

[@MimiPipoo]

I'm having a blast with Cata. Game feels great. Revamped world levelling is 1000 times better than classic. Endgame content is so good and we know they won't leave it out for 11months like original.

[@JoshLineberry]

Yeah cata is great.

[@TheStvaldon]

I play with casual players that wipe on content for 3+ hours and still have fun and that's my choice. He straight up got HUMBLED! Honestly, if you don't want to spend hours wiping, you need to formulate a 10-25m guild. carry them through god everything, give them the best gear, make them literal gods so everyone is god level players to do the content you want to accomplish all over again...

[@driftingdynamic]

I hated all the changes to talents and world from Cata. But it was the first time I really enjoyed running heroics (pre nerf). Was so much fun not being tank and spank and actually having to use coordinated cc.

[@InTheWild1]

Dude cata so far has been a blast, and I literally formed a guild with 3 ten man teams in the last 10 days only, and all 3 teams cleared BWD last night, none of us are hardcore players.

[@kyoden1928]

this video is a clear bait

[@dejanmohoric9003]

Time to go back to private servers!

[@thatherton]

I’m loving cata classic. I like it a lot more than the previous classic xpacs. I’m mainly a pvper and the PvP is so much more fun, better pacing and better abilities and class design.

[@JoshLineberry]

Yeah cata is great.

[@tedk.6420]

Cata is my favorite expansion and I've been playing since 2006 so I've seen it all.

[@JoshLineberry]

@@tedk.6420 Same. I've been playing since 05 and cata is my favorite also.

[@RefusesToElaborate]

The wow community is the most whiny and frail community in existence. Don’t play cata if you don’t like it. Asmongold is the most miserable player ever, I haven’t seen one expac where he was satisfied. Even in classic he was whiny

[@piotrjeske4599]

I remember puging Icecrown. Doing hc with half randkm half guild. Then cata came and my guild that did classic, BC, wrath was stuck on 3/4 bosses in lair and on Chogal in bastion. And mind you l am talking normal and best situations. There were resets (by cata everyone was working and/or fresh hitched) where we couldn't do the sound dragon. Heck for the first 3 weeks we couldn't kill the mechanotron or the lava wurm. And we weren't the only guilds having the problems. The "young" dad guilds got gutted by cataclysm. Heck fuck raids , people would fail doing Grim Batol as if it Pinacle. How it ended was that after a 6-7 months of pain our server was desolate and the still playing "good" players started clearing stuff. By the time of fire lands everything was being cleared on weekly basis, it is just that the number of guilds dropped dramaticly and you couldn't just join after a 3-4 months break.

[@cj8269]

this raid group was awfully bad and then blaming the game for hard content well either get good or play Sod then

[@simtek08]

I loved ICC during LK and I found it challenging at times, thanks for calling me stoopid ya big dummy

[@ray_donovan_v4]

😂😂😂😂. "throw down a summon stone..." "What's that?"

[@blackyvertigo]

It’s the summer. MMORPG playerbases always die off in the summer. Raid turnover always highest in the summer and Xmas holidays. Add to the fact this current player base is split 6 ways and not enough puggers have hit 85 and done enough heroics to be ready to raid now. He’s just being unrealistic.

[@theoutlander1411]

TOGC came out in the summer and it had more raiders than ICC.