CATHOLIC Exposes False PROTESTANT Claim About "Biblical" Worship

[@Nick-rb1dc]

In Jerusalem there were two buildings, a Synagogue and the Temple. The Jews never confused these two buildings. Each building was very different. The Temple was for sacrifice, worship, priesthood, etc. These terms are not used for the Synagogue. The Synagogue did not have worship taking place but instead a Bible Lecture hall. By throwing out the priesthood, Protestantism is unable to worship God as God has defined worship, which is Sacrifice. Instead, the Protestant only has a Bible Lecture, which isn't worship and is mistaken to be worship, but is actually Judaizing.

[@o.o.2255]

Well said, I commented similarly in another comment

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

I note that Jesus unrolled, not a "bible" or any book, but a scroll. The scribes were totally devoted to the scriptures, perhaps even more than the legendary Bereans. YET! Notice that our Lord taught as one having AUTHORITY and not as the "sola scriptura" scribes. Point: Jesus sent no writing. He sent Apostles with His authority. Bible alone preachers are little more than neo-scribes.

[@o.o.2255]

@@HAL9000-su1mz 💯

[@RedRiverMan]

never thought of that, thanks!

[@midairfortress-revert]

excellent points - Joe Heschmeyer writes about this in his book on the Eucharist. Great stuff. thank you.

[@bridgefin]

Judaism had synagogues and then they had a Temple for worship. Protestantism is a synagogue system teaching a false gospel and Catholicism is the Temple worshiping as Jesus proposed.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Well said. And Orthodoxy.

[@JesusfoundedCatholicChurch]

Thank you for this video. I spent 55 years as a Presbyterian. I was ordained an elder back in 1988. Never thought for one moment that I would ever be a Catholic. Now I spend several hours a day defending the truth in Jesus Christ through His ONE, Holy, Catholic and apostolic Church. I truly think God showed me the mass in a dream back when I was a preteen around the late 1960s. I didn't know what I dreamed and no one would explain it to me, I needed Joseph. After I had studied the scriptures then later read the fathers, I decided to attend mass for the first time since childhood. (my dad was a cradle Catholic and his family were all Catholic and I went to mass with grandma) When I saw the altar and everything, I think tears were rolling down my face. This is what I saw in my dream. I have many Protestants who tell me to read the Bible but that's how I became Catholic. It's proof that God didn't leave us a Bible and expect us to figure it out ourselves. He left us an authoritative Church, whose authority comes from Jesus Christ. Christ says in Luke 10:16 if you listen to the Apostles (Church) , you listen to Him and if you don't, you're not listening to Christ. I quote St Ignatius often. Because his teacher was St John, one of the Apostles. I subscribed and liked the video.

[@BensWorkshop]

Welcome home!

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Humility. It opens eyes.

[@rukidding-y2c]

I learned that THE MASS IS WORSHIP. WORSHIP IS THE MASS. Protestants don't worship. Sorry!

[@NuLeif]

So thankful you shared your story! The first time I attended mass I was STUNNED and something was “lit” within my soul. I understand your sentiment about “just read your Bible” as I am a convert as well. Welcome home!

[@midairfortress-revert]

thank you and what a great testimony!!

[@davidcole333]

St. Justin Martyr's quote is what really woke me up to the reality of transubstantiation. I haven't looked at the Eucharist the same since then. I took his quote and framed it and keep it on the wall in my little prayer chapel.

[@NuLeif]

What a great idea to frame it!

[@raymondvasquez6967]

@PeppyJiseppy 1. Understanding Justin Martyr’s Writings: The quote from Justin Martyr is taken out of context. While Justin Martyr did emphasize the importance of prayers and thanksgiving, he also explicitly wrote about the Eucharist as more than a mere tithe or offering of bread and wine. In his First Apology (Chapters 65-67), Justin Martyr describes the Eucharist as a sacrifice, linking it to Christ's words at the Last Supper: "This is my body" and "This is my blood." Justin refers to the bread and wine as the “food we call the Eucharist” and states that “no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things we teach are true”-showing a clear distinction between the Eucharist and a simple tithe or charity. Therefore, Justin Martyr’s Dialogue with Trypho must be read in conjunction with his other writings. The “prayers and thanksgiving” that Justin mentions are a part of the Eucharistic celebration, which he and other early Christians considered a sacrificial offering. 2. The Eucharist as Sacrifice in Early Christianity: The idea of the Eucharist as a sacrifice is not a later development but has roots in early Christian thought. The early Church Fathers, including Ignatius of Antioch and Irenaeus of Lyons, referred to the Eucharist as a sacrifice. Ignatius of Antioch, writing in the early second century, said in his letter to the Smyrnaeans (Chapter 7): “They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ”-a clear affirmation of the Eucharist as the body of Christ. Additionally, in the Didache, a first-century Christian document, the Eucharist is described in sacrificial terms. The Didache includes prayers for the Eucharist, showing it was understood as more than a symbolic or charitable meal from the earliest days of Christianity.

[@soteriology400]

@@raymondvasquez6967How do you know his writings were not modified?

[@raymondvasquez6967]

@@soteriology400 The earliest extant manuscripts of Justin’s works date from several centuries after his death (he lived in the 2nd century). This gap naturally leads to questions about authenticity and accuracy. However, scholars who study these texts have not found conclusive evidence of extensive theological tampering. Most variations found are minor and typical of hand-copied manuscripts.

[@soteriology400]

@@raymondvasquez6967 Scholars today are around long after the 4th century, when the modifications took place. There were not many copies of the church fathers up until the 4th century as they did not have printing presses. They would have no way of knowing.

[@Shannon_Lacey]

I’ve heard some Protestants say, well if the Eucharist transubstantiates when the word is spoken, why then can’t a Protestant pastor speak those words and have the same effect as the Catholic priest? They will say why does anyone need the Catholic Church? And I would answer that the authority came from Jesus to Peter and the apostles, and passed down through succession to the bishops, and priests of the Catholic Church, and ONLY they have that authority in Christ’s name to transubstantiate. So it is all about the rejection, revolt and rebellion against the Catholic Church’s authority and power. Then they make the argument that it was just a loose collection of independent bishops until Constantine came along, that there might have been a bishop of Rome, but there wasn’t a “Catholic Church” as we know it in centralized structure, answering to a Pope. I get this argument a lot from Protestants. And they disregard Peter being “the rock” upon which the Church was built, and that “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”; they disregard Ignatius who first talked of a universal church and called it “Catholic”; and they disregard how in unity and collectively the early Church banded together, under the leadership of the early Popes, to deal with heresies, schisms, and apostasies.

[@geoffjs]

Well said, Protestantism doesn’t like the Truth!

[@jamesputnam4639]

AMEN BROTHER!

[@josh39684]

“Then, again, how can they say that the flesh, which is nourished with the body of the Lord and with His blood, goes to corruption, and does not partake of life? Let them, therefore, either alter their opinion or cease from offering the things just mentioned. But our opinion is by the Eucharist, and the Eucharist in turn establishes our opinion.” St. Irenaeus of Lyon

[@NuLeif]

Love this quote!

[@Gio-ce8ob]

Love my Protestant brothers and sisters but when I dug into history and saw their service I found none that looked like the earliest Christians, the service was preaching and no worship. And they can’t even agree on important things like baptism but all claim to have been led to the truth. I went to the Church founded by Christ and His Apostles

[@fantasia55]

​@PeppyJiseppy For salvation, Jesus said, repent and be baptised.

[@o.o.2255]

Awesome video on defending worship in spirit and truth, brother! As prior protestant, I confirm your assessment of their perspective regarding worship. Thinking back, it seems my Protestant brothers and sisters were united in Anti-Catholic “evangelizing” and staunchly opposed to almost anything Catholic, whether they understood it correctly or not. BUT, with each other, they were MOSTLY TOLERANT of other Protestant faiths, often jumping from one denomination to another, depending on what their itching ears wanted to hear. But what Protestants are ABSOLUTELY ignorant of is the history of the Christian church, (which was Catholicism) especially the Church Fathers (who were ALL Catholic) writings and testify rightly about Catholicism or Orthodox Theology. Therein lies their root issue. If Bible alone, yet interpretation by many, the result is thousands of churches in Disunity and equal number of contradictory doctrines. There is only ONE Way, ONE Truth, ONE Life, not thousands, and He is Jesus Christ the Word of God!

[@Catholic_Rock]

@PeppyJiseppylol this is funny little one. Luke 6:46 😉. He said repent and get baptized.

[@NuLeif]

Exactly!

[@NuLeif]

@PeppyJiseppyThis is not true. There are denominations (ex: Lutherans, high Anglicans, etc) that believe that baptism is essential. Gerard, this producer, has a video on baptism that is worth listening to (one of his first episodes).

[@richardcastro1276]

Thank you so much. Your cover topics so well and bring in the Protestants perspectives. Yes, the only thing we can do for our separated brethren. It is so sad how misguided they are. The one thing I do dislike is the Protestants that will come and actually not listen to your video and go directly into the comment section and write the darnest hurtfull things to us Catholics. They are blinded by sin and temptation has a strong grip on them. The bible says it so many times be careful of false teachers... and yet they do not see how deeply in the mud they are stuck. I pray everyday in my rosary for their quick conversion. I also see how you put a lot of research effort... and try to correct them lovingly pointing to exact biblical verses. Your are doing a great job. If you can convenience just a few. Many will be convenience if the were to read John 6 or Revelations 12. Read it slowly. The whole NT is so Catholic!

[@maxellton]

I just watched the 'Shameless Poppery' podcast "The One Question that Unravels Protestantism, " in which he discussed the same thing. Go watch that as well.

[@josh39684]

One of his best episodes yet. It could have been 3 hrs long

[@NuLeif]

I saw SP posted but haven’t watched it yet.

[@BensWorkshop]

It was very good. The essentials are so clear protestants can't even agree on what is essential!

[@frederickanderson1860]

@@maxellton man made labels , through intolerance and hatred and dogmatism

[@frederickanderson1860]

@@BensWorkshop check out the Roman Catholic church fathers with the Syrian Ethiopian Coptic father's. What world you live in.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

I have come to see Protestantism as the "other gospel" of which Paul warned.

[@whathappening5323]

OH My, You are the other Gospel. You didn't even exist when Paul made that statement. But he knew you were going to show up.

[@813infinityfilms123]

Some protestants are good Samaritans - material heretics but practice corporal acts of mercy!

[@whathappening5323]

@@813infinityfilms123 Were these the types of heretics you are talking about. In 1532, Thomas Harding, who with his wife, had been accused of heresy, was brought before the bishop of Lincoln, and condemned for denying the real presence in the sacrament. He was then chained to a stake, erected for the purpose, at Chesham in the Pell, near Botely; and when they had set fire to the fagots, one of the spectators dashed out his brains with a billet. The priests told the people, that whoever brought fagots to burn heretics would have an indulgence to commit sins for forty days. During the latter end of this year, Worham, archbishop of Canterbury, apprehended one Hitten, a priest at Maidstone; and after he had been long tortured in prison, and several times examined by the archbishop, and Fisher, bishop of Rochester, he was condemned as a heretic, and burnt alive before the door of his own parish church. Thomas Bilney, professor of civil law at Cambridge, was brought[191] before the bishop of London, and several other bishops, in the Chapter house, Westminster, and being several times threatened with the stake and flames, he was weak enough to recant; but he repented severely afterward. For this he was brought before the bishop a second time, and condemned to death. Before he went to the stake he confessed his adherence to those opinions which Luther held; and, when at it, he smiled, and said, "I have had many storms in this world, but now my vessel will soon be on shore in heaven." He stood unmoved in the flames, crying out, "Jesus, I believe;" and these were the last words he was heard to utter. A few weeks after Bilney had suffered, Richard Byfield was cast into prison, and endured some whipping, for his adherence to the doctrines of Luther: this Mr. Byfield had been some time a monk, at Barnes, in Surry, but was converted by reading Tindal's version of the New Testament. The sufferings this man underwent for the truth were so great, that it would require a volume to contain them. Sometimes he was shut up in a dungeon, where he was almost suffocated, by the offensive and horrid smell of filth and stagnated water. At other times he was tied up by the arms, till almost all his joints were dislocated. He was whipped at the post several times, till scarce any flesh was left on his back; and all this was done to make him recant. He was then taken to the Lollard's Tower in Lambeth palace, where he was chained by the neck to the wall, and once every day beaten in the most cruel manner by the archbishop's servants. At last he was condemned, degraded, and burnt in Smithfield. Just a small sample of the names I could show you. All look very religiously Christian. Tidy, make sure if you disagree others will think twice before they challenge the RCC about it Dogma and would guarantee keeping them in the pews.

[@Catholic_Rock]

@@whathappening5323go say hi to your polyamorous family at the LDS, JW, Amish, Mannonites, Unitarians, Baptist, Anglican, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Calvinist, Episcopal, Methodist, Universalism, Non-Denominational, etc… Just tell them we the ancient church are still here and no worries. We’ll be in worshipping and in prayer to our Lord Jesus.

[@NuLeif]

@@whathappening5323neither did you OR your church

[@euengelion]

Thank you for unpacking it clearly! This was helpful. May those who are seeking, find the Truth in your presentation. Christ's peace be with you.

[@adriengonzalez4828]

Um . . . sermons are not worship. Worship is consecration and sacrifice to God. Our mass is partaking in Christ's very own sacrifice of Himself to God. We are in union, Communion with Christ, with all the angels and saints, in mass. Mass is where Heaven and Earth are united throughout space and time. Can any protestant service claim this?

[@ghost-user559]

Yes. Absolutely anyone can claim it. “19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” Matthew 18:19-20

[@vinciblegaming6817]

The Anglicans, maybe… except they keep remaking God in their image, so being in communion with them, it’s never entirely certain if you are worshipping the same God as your neighbor.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@ghost-user559 Not so fast! CONTEXT! Jesus said that ONLY to the twelve.

[@fabianmalang]

@@adriengonzalez4828 when the framework of the foundation of the Lord's Supper is mere 'Symbolism', how can prot bros & sas partake Christ's very own sacrifice of Himself to God?

[@fabianmalang]

@@ghost-user559 Are you aware that Christ has His natural body, Sacramental body and mystical body - His Church? Only His Church is given the authority to partake His Sacrifice in Sacramerntal form. He exists spiritually, yes. That. makes His Church to uphold the fullness of Christian faith.

[@macbride33]

They mistake praise for worship for sure!

[@jonatasmachado7217]

"We thought, indeed, that it did not matter in what communion we held the faith in Christ; but thanks be to the Lord, who brought us out of a state of schism and taught us that it is right that the one God should be worshipped in unity." Augustine, Letter 93,5,18

[@NuLeif]

That’s GOLD!

[@macbride33]

What does this mean?

[@maryannegreghall6905]

The Didache writings of the first century also talks about the celebration of the Eucharist.

[@raymondvasquez6967]

@PeppyJiseppy Biblical Basis for the Eucharist: Catholics believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, based on Jesus' words at the Last Supper: "This is my body... This is my blood" (Matthew 26:26-28, Mark 14:22-24, Luke 22:19-20, 1 Corinthians 11:24-25). The Catholic Church interprets these passages as a literal transformation of the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ, a belief known as transubstantiation. Early Church Tradition: The understanding of the Eucharist as the true body and blood of Christ is rooted in early Christian tradition. Early Church Fathers, such as St. Ignatius of Antioch and St. Justin Martyr, spoke clearly about the Real Presence and the sacrificial nature of the Eucharist, showing that this belief has been a part of Christian faith since the beginning. The Mass as Worship: The Mass is seen as a re-presentation (not a repetition) of Christ's one sacrifice on the cross. Catholics believe that Christ’s sacrifice transcends time and space, and the Mass makes that one sacrifice present for the faithful. This understanding is drawn from Hebrews 9:24-26, which speaks of Christ entering heaven to appear for us before God, and 1 Corinthians 10:16, where Paul describes the Eucharistic bread and wine as a participation in the body and blood of Christ. Romans 12:1 and Spiritual Worship: While Romans 12:1 emphasizes offering our bodies as living sacrifices, Catholics see this as complementary, not contradictory, to the Eucharist. The Mass is considered the highest form of worship, where believers unite their own spiritual sacrifices with Christ’s. Catholics offer their lives, works, joys, and sufferings along with the Eucharistic offering, making the Mass a fulfillment of spiritual worship. Fruits of the Spirit: Offering the fruits of the Spirit as described in Galatians 5:22-23 is indeed an essential part of Christian living. Catholics believe that receiving the Eucharist nourishes and strengthens them to bear these fruits more fully in their daily lives.

[@zeektm1762]

@PeppyJiseppyThis is a non-sequiter. The Didache refers to the Eucharist as a “sacrifice”, gives a prayer that is to be said during and after the communion, and shows a doctrine of closed communion (not receiving the Eucharist without being baptized into the Church). This is a 1st century AD document mind you. While it doesn’t show the transubstantiation doctrine (this can be attested to in later sources), it certainly presents the Eucharist in a more reverent and important way than many Protestant churches.

@PeppyJiseppystop it dude it says it’s a sacrifice. I find it funny how there’s an old ancient prophecy in 1 malachi verse 11 that speaks about this.

@@zeektm1762the church fathers saw the Eucharist as the body and blood of Jesus Christ. Again John 6 and letters of Paul as well. Protestants are in denial but no different than the heretics in the first century who didn’t believe that the Eucharist was the body and blood of Jesus Christ.

[@josephdalelio6684]

@PeppyJiseppy But the Didache in the first century referred to Malach 1:11as prefiguring the eucharist.

[@pmlm1571]

I like it when you use our real name, Catholic Church, instead of "roman" anything, which additional adjective is so insisted upon by anti-Catholics. Our official name is Catholic Church: the roman gets added by those who wish to elevate their own local and parochial denominations by pretending the universal church is, like theirs, church of one city or locality. It's a sleight of hand we should not participate in. Great video, subbed.

[@thesipesisrandom4534]

Don't forget our Catechism DOES say our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters do have valid Sacraents - a valid priesthood, and a valid eucharist.

[@rukidding-y2c]

Yes. Eastern Catholics are indeed Catholic.

[@midairfortress-revert]

indeed - since my background is evangelical Protestantism I tend to focus on it. But you are correct.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

ABSOLUTELY! I once went to adoration in a Ukrainian Orthodox Cathedral. They are not big on adoration - I wonder why?

[@annemariemoore2102]

Thank you for an excellent presentation. It was sound it was reasonable and you deliver it with conviction. Has a fellow Catholic I really appreciate what you're doing here .God bless you and your endeavors 🙏

[@vinb2707]

I admit that the modern day evangelical church of today can be more fun and relaxed. The problem is that it really isn’t true worship. Instead it is often a concert with really enjoyable music and sometimes a good Bible study, but more often nothing more than a motivational speech.

[@NuLeif]

So very true! Not just in lack of content but also not true to the biblical definition of worship.

[@jeromepopiel388]

​@@NuLeifwhat is the biblical definition of worship in the NT?

[@fantasia55]

​@@jeromepopiel388Early Christians regarded the Mass as a continuation of Old Testament temple worship.

[@E-pistol]

​@@jeromepopiel388, we made the Bible for the Eucharist, the liturgy, and to tell the story of the Catholic Church.

[@Truthseekingcatholic]

I don't find he evangelical worship fun or true. If I want to sing a song I can do that in my car. True worship is bringing your heart to God and receiving him body, blood, soul, and divinity. Receiving him and saying Amen and offering yourself to him is the greatest worship. The evangelicals can keep their music and half truths, I should know because I used to be one of them. Thank God for the CC.

[@MrJohnmartin2009]

It's one of the many enigmas confronting the Protestant world. Why did the Spirit choose to be so unclear and abstain from giving so much detail in the scriptures concerning the chief act of worship in the new dispensation when Moses went to great lengths to inscripturate so much worship detail in the Torah? It's very perplexing for the Protestant world indeed. The options are - NT worship is not important, contrary to the OT witness of the entire universe running on divine worship. NT worship can be done in many ways making the Trinity indifferent to various worship norms, again, contrary to the OT witness. Sola scriptura is an error and the Protestant principles of scriptural clarity, private interpretation, and denominationalism are all false and the NT is detailed in other works guided by the Church witnessed by the church fathers, leading to the various approved Catholic liturgies. The reformation always leads to perplexing problems that are resolved by rejoining the Catholic church, or remaining unresolved within the Protestant world leading to unbelief.

[@jeromepopiel388]

Yes, you are correct, God was very specific in the OT and even specified an order of priests. There is no such thing in the NT because the sacrifice of Jesus changes everything. The old has been fulfilled. Sin has been taken out of the way. We have a "new and living way" in which we all participate by faith. We worship in spirit, with the heart, not an outward performance, but now by faith. That is what moves God.

[@AS-np3yq]

@jeromepopiel388 Sin was not taken away? What are you talking abou? Sin is here

[@fantasia55]

​@@jeromepopiel388That is certainly your interpretation.

[@fantasia55]

​@@jeromepopiel388In early Christianity, the Mass was seen as a continuation of Old Testament temple worship.

[@MrJohnmartin2009]

@@jeromepopiel388 Worship in the Spirit is only tenable if one knows the details of what worship in the Spirit is. Such is only known through the laws and specifications handed down by the church and tradition.

[@keithsmith3386]

Certainly opened my eyes Generations of anti Catholic bigotry, hatred, and misinformation!!

[@jonatasmachado7217]

As a former Baptist now Catholic I found this content excellent

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Amen! We need more Baptists!

[@mememe1468]

Authority always seems to be the big idea people have when debating between the Christianity and its sects. But worship, easily, is by far the most critical question that should be on everyones mind. The catholic church, with not only its elaborate and ancient history of worship style , but its desire to expand on that style, has worship as her main focus. So much so we have liturgy wars. "You have to do it like this!" Or," well, you CAN do it this other way!" While protestants tolerate dozens of "liturgies" and give no real caution when departing from more storied ways of sunday gathering. So off the radar is worship to them they delineate between the many by passing indifferent judgment. At best, the foreigners of their tradition have found an equally acceptable way. At worst, protestants will call the rest weird or not for them. If anything tells you protestantism cannot be true its their worship and their opinions on it.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

I became Catholic by choice and conviction. I obey.

[@tylerkessler4021]

Love your channel brother

[@jessman8597]

As a "Protestant" pastor, I'm troubled by all this. Many Protestants (whatever that means) have a terrible misperception of Catholicism. But many Catholics fail to understand what we believe. After going to Mass multiple times, checking out RCIA, using the Formed App a lot, and talking to my Catholic friends, I realized that we agree on so much. But we are so busy fighting each other that we don't have time to embrace and learn from each other. No wonder this world is so messed up. We've set the example. I grieve deeply.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

We are mostly converts! We know very well what Bible-based communities think. We were IN THEM!

[@NuLeif]

I believe that Gerard was gracious and charitable when speaking about Professor Allison. If you watch his interview/testimony he is very charitable and thankful for his Protestant professors & friends.

[@evangelion1962]

Your denominations were founded by men and are ever changing and in discord. Holy Mother Church was founded by Christ, is lead by the infallible teachings of the Pope and magisterium, accepts no novelties, and not even the gates of hell can withstand her. She is the pillar and bulwark of truth. She has no need to accept heresy based on whimsical notions by men who self admit they don't speak with authority.

[@jessman8597]

You can't call every non Catholic protestant because the differences are so extreme. Many don't believe in the Bible at all anymore.​@@HAL9000-su1mz

[@gregoryt8792]

@@evangelion1962 the Bible is the inspired word of God. The Bible is the inspired word of God. 1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” Luke 1:46-47 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 1 Corinthians 10:4 “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.” 1 Samuel 2:2 “There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. Mark 7:7. “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” 2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” 1 Timothy 4:3 “Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.” 2 Timothy 3:15 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 1Ti 3:2 - A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Tit 1:7 - For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; (1000+ victims of 300 priests in Pennsylvania alone) Hosea 6:6 “For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.” Rev 3:16 - So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. It is important to read all of John 6 to understand that the flesh profits nothing and the spirit is truth. Better to be a born again Christian and find a good home Bible study group.

[@fantasia55]

Your channel deserves many more followers.

[@NuLeif]

Agreed. Trying to share with people at my parish and friends in RCIA/OCIA.

[@Olavus-d4s]

Amen brother, what takes place at the Mass, the celebration of the Eucharist is indeed a shocking and awe inspiring reality.

[@gregoryt8792]

The Bible is the inspired word of God. 1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” Luke 1:46-47 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 1 Corinthians 10:4 “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.” 1 Samuel 2:2 “There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. Mark 7:7. “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” 2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” 1 Timothy 4:3 “Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.” 2 Timothy 3:15 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 1Ti 3:2 - A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Tit 1:7 - For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; (1000+ victims of 300 priests in Pennsylvania alone) Hosea 6:6 “For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.” Rev 3:16 - So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. It is important to read all of John 6 to understand that the flesh profits nothing and the spirit is truth. Better to be a born again Christian and find a good home Bible study group.

[@MJRoche]

Thank you, as a practicing catholic I've found your video enlightening and life affirming.

[@ChaChaDancin]

To know Christian history is to be Catholic.

[@davidcole333]

Can you look at banning trolls? The depth of ignorance is toxic and there gets a point where civil discourse is lost. Questions? yes! Trolling? no! Kenny Berchard has done this on his channel and it is a breath of fresh air.

[@NuLeif]

Curious which ones are you referring to. I agree with considering banning some - it poisons the water.

[@davidcole333]

@@NuLeif The ones that show up on every single Catholic channel just to stir it up or insult. If you look at who's doing the trolling, you'll start to become familiar with the names as they appear on multiple channels.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Amen! Sam Shamoun also has the hammer.

[@meribikoto6588]

Why most Protestants attacking the Catholic church, why dont they just mind their own and focused on their Bible denominations

[@MystoRobot]

The ultimate problem protestants face is their *lack of authority.* Since none of them have the authority to declare "what" is ultimately the correct interpretation, NONE of them have the assurance of living their "faith" properly. They could be wrong, and none of them would know : this isn't a faith in God, but a faith in themselves, because had they had faith in God, they would not have left His Church in the first place _(or at least, they would have returned to the original Church as soon as they realized the History of their own schism)._ Having no authority, they have nothing against the Catholic Church, *other than their own opinions.* The vilified hate some of them have is therefore due to tribalism, and centuries of anti-catholic propaganda created from myths by their own writers.

[@geoffjs]

No entity from family to corporates & govt can survive without hierarchy & a unifying authoritative interpreter hence, Protestantism with its confusion, division & scandal of 000’s of sects is sustainable as it is not of Jesus who willed unity Jn 17:11-23 Without SCOTUS: who would interpret the Constitution? Certainly not the average person!

[@carakerr4081]

Amen 🙏

[@BensWorkshop]

Good work excellent video!

[@blancabibriesca4939]

Thank you for your video. Very clear and enlightening.

[@michaelrayson2656]

You need to go and read the church early fathers, if Catholic is wrong , you are wrong . Because the Catholic Church put the Bible together so you can know the word of God.

[@jademacachor5823]

Thank you brother.

[@ladym7852]

I was born and raised a part time Catholic and am now a Protestant. I’ve never heard of this issue but I appreciate Catholic history. This is interesting. 🤔

[@fantasia55]

Early Christianity was Catholic.

[@geoffjs]

Jesus est His One True Church, Mt 16 18-19 with Peter as His first representative or Prime Minister Isa 22:22 which is the pillar & foundation of Truth 1 Tim 3:15 which Ignatius named as Katholikos or Universal in 107AD which codified your bible in 382AD which has existed for 2000 yrs, in spite of sinful men & is the longest existing human institution. Fact check if you don’t believe me. Without altars & no liturgical sacrificial worship, Protestantism generally, doesn’t have proper worship, so not “church”, but, truthfully, more like synagogue with prayer & teaching!

[@carakerr4081]

Praying you return home 🏠. My husband and I reverted to Catholicism from Protestantism this years it’s amazing ❤

[@fabianmalang]

Jesus Christ is the incarnated Word of God. This miracle is being continued during every Catholic Holy Mass - Word of God transforming bread and wine into the Body & Blood of Christ Himself at the consecrated hands of the priest. This is USP of the Catholic Church. Praise the Lord.

[@cb738]

That’s why I am not a Protestant

[@MavourneenKathleen-l5j]

The Catholic Church is based on Christ. The reformers have turned the Bible into an idol, making it serve each’s interpretation.

[@carakerr4081]

Receiving the Eucharist at Mass is the most sacred form of worship. I wish I could get to receive daily ❤

[@bryandonovan6779]

Gerard, just subscribed to your channel after watching your reversion story. I know how important books were to your reversion. Have you read "The Spirit of the Liturgy" by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger? In my opinion this is a book that every Catholic should read and understand fundamentally. I know you are a Joe Heschmeyer fan, as am I and his video "Do Protestants Really Worship God" goes deep into some of the questions you raise in your vide. Keep up the great work you are doing and I look forward to your next video.

[@MavourneenKathleen-l5j]

I read it, and loaned it to parish administrator and never got it back, Found his discourse on Christmas so enlightening.

[@cruznature7545]

In no way does Protestant worship or what they think worship is reflect the worship of early Christianity. A simple Google search on early documents would debunk that idea.

[@michaelblair5566]

I was a Protestant who became Catholic at age 15. I was baptized Protestant even. 37 years later I am still Catholic. Despite Francis.

[@danteprudente8637]

I've always understood Protestantism having restored not early Christianity but the very spirit of paganism particularly the deification of self held by the Roman Emperors and other Ancient Kings. The Protestant declares everything in service of himself including God even when it alleges otherwise. Everything is on the Protestants terms.

[@francissimpson3904]

There were no Bibles in early NT worship because the bible didn't exist as such. It wasnt till the 4th and 5th centuries that the canon of Scripure was finalised. The living Church came first.

[@fabianmalang]

@@francissimpson3904 Buble is living Word of God, unlike secular books. Si Bible, a living entity? As any living creature is born of a mother, so is Bible born by His Church.

[@francissimpson3904]

​@@fabianmalangExactliy. The Bible is part of the Church's living proclamation passed on generation to generation and guarded by the magisterium of the Church. Thank you for your reply.

[@stephendavies2925]

True worship is obedience to the word of God! Let's get back to that!

[@geoffjs]

You sound confused! Obedience is worship of God as commanded in Jn 6:51-58 with altars & liturgy!

[@stephendavies2925]

@@geoffjs Was Abraham confused? Are you saying Jesus never used a metaphor? I am the door? Is He a plank of wood? Your argument is absurd and based on dogma!

[@geoffjs]

⁠ Why are you using metaphors to explain worship? I understand worship to be prayer, ritual & sacrifice!@@stephendavies2925

[@stephendavies2925]

@@geoffjs I have not used a metaphor! Abraham is the First, therefore his actions must constitute the essence of worship! Primarily he obeyed the word of God! Check your own ideas, do they align with what Abraham established?

[@Pete_B_773]

If Justyn Martyr said in the 2nd Century they read the Scriptures, how does that comport with saying the Canon wasn't established till the 4th Century??

[@srich7503]

All the church fathers had their own version of their NT canons and these canons were GROWING throughout the 4th century. For the most part they agreed on 20-23 of the 27 orthodox books but by the middle of the 4th century the number of would-be NT writings had grown to hundreds and the church saw the need to put a stop to this and get things under control. Enter the councils of Rome, Hippo, and Carthage.

[@douglasmader8010]

Actually, the Bible is VERY clear on this point. As he directed the house of Israel in the OT to sacrifice in the temple and all the attributes that were to be observed, so the LAmb of God in the New testament fulfills this by his ultimate sacrifice on the cross, which he directed at the last supper to be re-presented in the holy mass

[@o.o.2255]

AND, to fulfill Malachi 1:11 and Exodus 13:8,10, which cannot be fulfilled as “symbols” by only by priests, and if at least once a year, or even daily (give us this day, our daily bread”) in fulfillment of Exodus 13, then it MUST be the Eucharist, actual Body and Blood AS THE PERPETUAL once and for all Sacrificial Lamb of God.

[@midairfortress-revert]

I agree.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

And in accord with the Messianic prophecy of Malachi (1:10-11)

[@BensWorkshop]

C'mon man! Give them time to work out the form of worship! After all they don't have the traditions of the Apostles or the magisterium to guide them!

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Each an Apostle! Each a personal Magisterium. How'd that work out?

[@BensWorkshop]

@@HAL9000-su1mz Well.... They're working on it!

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@BensWorkshop Like herding cats. Maybe it is really CATastantism?

[@midairfortress-revert]

maybe another 500 years? : )

[@BensWorkshop]

@@midairfortress-revert Don't rush them....

[@richarddennis7615]

Good Job.

[@dirtysink373]

Uhhh, i have been a protestant until recently and there is no worship in the so-called protestant worship

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Praise is laudable. But God is due more than praise.

[@kaylemoine1571]

Way to go! Great.

[@AdrianaMontemayor7]

GOD BLESS HIS ONE AND ONLY CATHOLICH CHURCH ✝️

[@kwamesmith3214]

I’m a Lazarean so I never really understood the Catholic/Protestant divide… it took me a long time to realize their Bibles and mine only have a few books in common… 🤔🤔🤔

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

New day, new religion.

[@kwamesmith3214]

@@HAL9000-su1mz no, Lee Everett encountered the dead, but I already met them eons ago

[@tabandken8562]

What bible do you use?

[@macbride33]

💯

[@rjsledz]

👍👍👍

[@johnchung6777]

You know what’s so obvious is that in the scriptures I don’t see or read anything or anywhere in the scriptures that there’ll be a reforming of the one true church that Jesus Christ had started upon the Apostles and their Successor’s,the only thing I read about is that there’ll be a falling away from the one true church with it’s members of whom ever they’ll be that falls away.Now I hope that people can understand that those who fall away from the one true church will do it of their own choosing and understanding which points directly at those who do that,its not written or said that it’ll be the whole church that Jesus Christ started on Pentecost.for Jesus Christ promised his Apostles that the gates of hell shall never prevail against his Church that will always have faithful Hierarchy priests and ordinary members in it till the end of time which is obvious proof that Church is the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Christian Church of Traditional Teachings and Worship which is still in Existence For 2024 years and will continue until the end of time which is the Fulfillment of what Jesus Christ SAID IN SCRIPTURE AMEN AMEN AMEN 🙏

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Protestantism, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Islam et al, make Christ a liar.

[@Sanee-n1l]

Simply the way the Catholic church place high reverence to the GOSPEL BOOK says so much about the TRUTH of the Catholic church. The Jews place so much reverence to the Old Testament too, same as in the Eucharistic celebration compared to protestant worship where the pastor will raise the Bible and shake it up in the air, no reverence at all. We all consider the Bible the Words of God, should we not revere the Bible Book because as it is it is the LIVING words of God?

[@normmcinnis4102]

Don't confuse protestants with Calvinism.

[@fantasia55]

Calvinism is a type of Protestantism.

[@clpage86]

There’s some quote by Jean Calvin where he says to a cardinal that they both know that the reformers are making things look like how they were in the early church, rather than doing something new. I wonder if you’re familiar with the context of that quote (sorry I don’t have it exactly, but I’ve heard it mentioned on some popular KZbin channel) and what exactly Calvin meant? Was he talking about worship or something else?

[@NuLeif]

Interesting. Would love to find that quote. Did you read it in a book or just heard it on KZbin?

[@gk3292]

…you may be referring to Calvin’s letters written to Cardinal Sadoleto…

[@fantasia55]

We both know that Calvin was very wrong about that.

[@clpage86]

@@gk3292 I think that’s it.

[@clpage86]

@@NuLeif KZbin. Probably Shameless Popery

[@TheGringoSalado]

I attended a NO “mass” last weekend, that was every bit as “praise and worship” as a mega church I attended for a while. The NO isn’t Catholic

[@NuLeif]

I’ve attended several NO masses and they were very reverent, beautiful and full of Latin and sacred music.

[@srich7503]

@TheGringoSalado - Really!!! Did the mega church actually have a sacrifice??? Did you actually eat the body and drink the blood of Jesus??? Really? Where did this mega church find an ordained priest with apostolic succession?

[@TheGringoSalado]

@ hard to admit it get it but the Protestant rite aka the NO much like the Amazonian rite is not Catholic.

[@srich7503]

@@TheGringoSalado But hard[ER] to answer my questions above, yes?

[@TheGringoSalado]

@ I’m moving my family 1400 miles to attend a TLM. God deserves better than validity. Remember we are never called to deny reality, the good, true and beautiful in the name of obedience.

[@o.o.2255]

Fine, but you are missing to “worship in TRUTH” not just “worship in spirit.” You MUST harmonize the ancient wisdom of the Old Testament lest you interpret less correctly. In Malachi 1:11, he prophesies that gentiles will be offering sacrifices on the altar. How? At the time, Only Jewish Priests can sacrifice and give offerings. How does God implement this prophesy? Now why does that matter, you might ask? Because true and spiritual worship ALWAYS involved sacrifice. Exodus 13:8,10 “You shall tell your child on that day, ‘It is because of what the Lord did for me when I came out of Egypt.’ You shall keep this ordinance at its proper time from year to year.” (Meaning every generation… until… forever). How can that be also? I thought temple sacrifice stopped with Jesus crucifixion? No, it didn’t. JESUS’ once and for all sacrifice is the New Covenant Passover of the Lord’s Table and New Covenant Feast of Unleavened Bread and New covenant Feast of First-fruits. These are Jewish feasts but all combined into one celebration by Jesus, the Lord’s table of the Eucharist and Wine. Like Exodus 13:8-10 states, the Jews “partook of the Passover” by REMEMBERING AS IF THEY WERE IN EGYPT, outside time and space. (Look up any Jewish Pesach or Passover service. They STILL do it today. Remember, Jewish was a Jew. So he celebrated this as a Jew too but he fulfilled it not with an earthly lamb, but with the Lamb of God, himself, a better eternal fulfillment. We must still sacrifice as if we are with him at the Last Supper. That can only be done by a Priest. THAT brother is worship in spirit and truth the early Christians believed - not rock concerts and bible studies.

[@geoffjs]

Without altars & no liturgical sacrificial worship, most Protestants don’t understand proper worship, so are not “church”, more like synagogue with prayer & teaching!

[@o.o.2255]

@@geoffjs Yes, the tent of meeting, tabernacle, and later temple was where the sacrifices and offerings (burnt, sin, etc) took place. THAT is where worship occurred. You’re spot on in delineating the synagogue was a different place. This is where the OT scriptures were read in public… taught, and even debated. This is where False Humility pharisees would be SEEN praying. Jesus said their reward is there. But The Home, locked in your room, door closed, in private is where one ought pray for it is done in secret. Then the Father will reward you. Thus, the 3 modes were Temple WORSHIP, Synagogue Preaching, and Home Prayer, all separate places. Today, it’s combined but Protestants lack 1 of the 3, sacrificial worship. Only Catholics (Lutherans and Anglicans) have sacrificial worship like the fulfillment of Malachi 1:11

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@o.o.2255 But! Re-defined and gutted.

[@fabianmalang]

Even the pagans worship supernatural beings through sacrifice. Mere sing songs and sermons cannot be Biblical worship.

[@BarbTaylor-g2k]

Colossians 3:1 KJV - Jesus is not in a wafer or chalice. “If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.”

[@geoffjs]

Catholics believe that the bread and wine in the Lord’s Supper becomes the body and blood of Christ when the priest said the words of institution found in 1 Corinthians 11:23-25. I reviewed the entire New Testament carefully and noted that the Eucharist is intimately connected with Christian worship (Acts 2:42, 46; 20:7; Jude 12; 2 Pet. 2:13). In fact, it seemed 1 Corinthians 11:20-21 and 5:7b-8 implied a regular celebration of the Eucharist. As for the idea of the “real presence” of Jesus in the Eucharist, the dire warning of Paul-that those who partake unworthily are guilty of “the body and blood of the Lord”-did not lend itself well to my symbolical notion of the Eucharist (1 Cor. 11:23-27). Why were Christians in grave sin when doing violence to this particular “symbol” and not to other Christian symbols? Moreover, 1 Corinthians 10:14-18 speaks of us “participating” in the body and blood of Christ at the Eucharist in the same way Israel participated in the sacrifices of the altar-which would be by actually, not symbolically, eating the sacrifice of the Passover. I was beginning to think that a literal understanding of John 6:53-54 wouldn’t be entirely out of line. The words daily bread, in their original language, refer to supernatural bread or Eucharist! If you don’t believe in His Real Presence, investigate Eucharistic miracles, signs from God which science can’t explain with the same AB blood type & living heart tissue. Visit Carlos Acutis If the Eucharist is not His One True Presence, why do Satanists steal consecrated hosts from Catholic parishes for desecration at sacrilegious black masses, not something that happens to Protestantism because of its belief of symbolism Starting with Jn 6:63. The “flesh” Jesus notes refers to our inclination to think only with our natural human reason instead of the enlightenment that comes with the grace of God. Jesus refers to THE flesh, not HIS flesh Jn 6:66 refers to people who walked away from Jesus. Numbers are important & with God, there are no coincidences The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the source & summit of Christianity.

[@frederickanderson1860]

Jesus comment to the Samaritan woman. And the gifts of the spirit is it manifested in catholic rituals.

[@SknappCFA]

The million or so Catholic “defender of the faith” KZbin channels are huge vanity projects.

[@cbooth151]

Who do Catholics worship? According to the following CATHOLIC sources, Catholics worship... 1. Mary. As the Catholic Encyclopedia says: "As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely super-eminent rank among the saints, the worship paid to her is called hyperdulia." So, do Catholics worship Mary? Absolutely. 2. inanimate objects like statues and crosses. As the Catholic Encyclopedia says: "A certain worship may be offered even to inanimate objects, such as the relics of a martyr, the Cross of Christ, the Crown of Thorns, or even the statue or picture of a saint." So, do Catholics worship inanimate objects? Absolutely. 3. a triune deity. As the Athanasian Creed says: "We worship one God in trinity." So, do Catholics worship a three-person god? Absolutely. Now, do true Christians worship Mary, inanimate objects, or a triune deity? No, no, and no. True Christians worship Jesus' Father, "the ONLY true God." (John 17:3) As Jesus said: "But the hour is coming, and is now here, when true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and truth; and indeed the Father seeks such people to worship him." So, are Catholics "true worshipers"? Absolutely not.

[@geoffjs]

Your bigotry & ignorance is embarrassing! Catholics only worship God, but Protestants don’t understand worship because, generally, they don’t have altars nor liturgical sacrificial worship, so not “church”, more like synagogue with prayer & teaching!

[@cbooth151]

@@geoffjs "Your bigotry & ignorance is embarrassing!" Is it bigotry and ignorance to point out the utter apostasy of Catholics? Not at all. Consider. Out of your own 'mouth,' you said: "Catholics *ONLY* worship God." But, is that true? If you had carefully read my first post, you would know that's not the case. Catholics worship a lot of things. For instance... 1. Catholics worship Mary. As the Catholic Encyclopedia says, "As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely super-eminent rank among the saints, the *WORSHIP* paid to her is called hyperdulia." 2. Catholics worship nonliving things such as statues and statues and crosses. As the Catholic Encyclopedia says, "A certain *WORSHIP* may be offered even to inanimate objects, such as the relics of a martyr, the Cross of Christ, the Crown of Thorns, or even the statue or picture of a saint." 3. Catholics worship a triune deity. As the Athanasian Creed says: "We *worship* one God *in trinity."* REVIEW: Do the Catholic documents I quoted say that Catholics ONLY worship God? NO!! They say that... a. Catholics worship Mary. b. Catholics worship inanimate objects such as "relics of a martyr, the Cross of Christ, the Crown of Thorns, [and] even the statue or picture of a saint." c. Catholics worship a triune deity. So, tell me, since I quoted from your Catholic sources that prove that Catholics worship more than just God, how can you accuse me of bigotry and ignorance? One last thing. You said Catholics only worship God, correct? As the Athanasian Creed says: "We worship one God in trinity." However, where in your Bible or elsewhere did Jesus teach his followers to worship a triune god? Answer: *NOWHERE!!* Instead, he told them: "But the hour is coming, and is now here, when true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and truth; and indeed the Father seeks such people to worship him." (John 4:23) CONCLUSION Unless you worship Jesus' Father according to his terms, you're not worshiping God in spirit and truth.

[@EBeautiful-f9d]

I have a question? If I never take a Sacrament of the Catholic or Protestant church will I spend Eternity with Jesus?

[@paulktemplar]

No!

[@fantasia55]

Protestant churches do not have the Eucharist. Only apostolic churches have it.

[@davidcole333]

The Sacraments aren't taken, they are received by the grace of God. You should pray to Jesus and let him help you find the answers. He meets us wherever we are on our walk with Him. No one on earth can truly answer that question for you because only God can judge. But I'll tell you this, I sure wouldn't risk it.

[@EBeautiful-f9d]

@@davidcole333 did the thief on the cross receive any sacraments when Jesus said today you will be imp Paradise with me? You are correct we do receive them from the Lord as a gift. I did word that wrong but we do partake of the sacraments. We make a decision to involve ourselves so we are taking what the Lord freely gives us out of His Mercy and Grace! It’s all a gift everything that God does for us is a gift from God out of his Rich, mercy grace, and love for us not because we deserve his grace but because He is so good to us!

[@Deww-ez]

@@fantasia55 Lutherans have it

[@Hope_Boat]

Does that logic not apply to Roman Reformists? The Latin mass was imposed to the entire west replacing the previous orthodox rites. Then since 1962 the Novus Ordo mass is terminating the Latin mass. Kyrie eleison ☦️

[@fantasia55]

and?

[@Hope_Boat]

@@fantasia55 I was asking why the reforms of thee are bad and the reforms of me aren't. Any clue? We orthodox say that there is no need to reform the body of Christ for it's formed by God.

[@alhilford2345]

What is a Roman Reformist?

[@frederickanderson1860]

Have you not considered the gifts of the spirit recorded in 1 Corinthians chapter 13.

[@joelauretta4067]

I like how this guy takes a historical view of worship and includes many other denominations that are clearly not reformed. John 4:23-24 But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. [24] God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." Worship is like everything else is a matter of the intention of the believer. 1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not look at his appearance or at the height of his stature, because I have rejected him; for God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

[@ninjason57]

Finally someone actually brought up John 4. I was searching the comments to see if anyone would refer to scripture rather than their own opinions.

[@vinciblegaming6817]

You need both the heart and the physical act. The lack of heart renders the physical act meaningless, but you can’t have the heart if you aren’t doing the physical act. Saul engaged in the physical act without obedience and was chastened for it. But true obedience still would have resulted in the physical act of sacrifice. Israel was condemned and lost their temple because they would engage in the physical act with God and then go do the same thing with foreign gods, showing they were doing sacrifices to God without love for him. So they lost the physical things until their hearts returned to him. The heart leads to obedience, but obedience without heart is meaningless. Believe AND be baptized, but if you don’t believe you will die.

[@joelauretta4067]

@@vinciblegaming6817 The act is merely evidence of the reality

[@vinciblegaming6817]

@@joelauretta4067 it’s the way spirit is communicated to us. God doesn’t ordain empty symbols. The physical signs he gives are efficacious. He works in them.

[@joelauretta4067]

@@vinciblegaming6817 Where is that in scripture ?

[@sdboyd]

The first Christians clearly worshipped through a liturgy that utilized a great motivational speech, the latest pop music, dancing, and an inspirational light show. When are Catholics going to get on board? LOL.

[@NuLeif]

You’ve got good humor

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

You forgot the smoke machines! Deal breaker.

[@onesneak7668]

Or......they both got it wrong

[@fantasia55]

but you got it right...

[@onesneak7668]

@@fantasia55 it was a joke. Got it?

[@davidcole333]

@@onesneak7668 sorry dude, but your post appeared as a joke to no one except yoruself.

[@onesneak7668]

@@davidcole333 ok. Now move on buddy

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@fantasia55 BWAAAHAAHAAAA!!!! Nailed it!

[@colinpeacock7648]

Do Catholics really read the Bible???

[@fantasia55]

There is more Scripture in a Mass than in any Protestant service.

[@geoffjs]

Catholics may not be as diligent about reading the bible as many Protestants are, however, every Mass that we attend has at least three bible readings! However, Catholics also participate in the liturgy which is biblically based as are our prayers & meditations.

[@davidstamburski9487]

You need to answer a question for me then, and here it is, the pope recently said in Singapore that all religions are like different music that leads us to God whether it's Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist Etc, you should know that that goes against what the Bible teaches about Jesus being the only way to the father (john14:6) so you put yourself in a trap my friend because even the leader of the Catholic Church contradicted himself and he's never refuted it. But what happens is popesplaniers come to his rescue to do damage control..

[@srich7503]

The pope was speaking only what St. Paul was practicing… Then Paul stood up at the Areopagus and said: “You Athenians (greek pagans), I see that in every respect you are very religious. For as I walked around looking carefully at your shrines, I even discovered an altar inscribed, ‘To an Unknown God.’ What therefore you unknowingly worship, I proclaim to you. Acts 17:22-23 Or the faith of the centurion (pagan) in Lk 7 and Mt 8 when Jesus says “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith.” Peace!!!

[@davidstamburski9487]

@srich7503 Good try. You need to read all of acts 17. Seriously for your sake and salvation read it study it carefully.

[@srich7503]

@@davidstamburski9487 LOL!!!😂 and which non-Catholic lens would i read it with? Is it the ones that believe infant baptism is salvific or the ones that do not? Or full immersion or not? Is it the Liberal Evangelical version or the Conservative Evangelical version? Could it be a Calvinist, Armenian, Anabaptist, or the Anglican viewpoint, maybe one of the Lutheran versions, ELCA), (LCMS), or (WELS) Dispensationalism, Antinomianism? Those that believe in woman ordinations or same sex marriages? Lord’s supper symbolic or sacramental? Belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity or not? The once saved always saved group or the not? Should women keep silent in church or speak and is this with or without their heads covered? Prosperity gospel true or not? Maybe Mormons, JWs, SDA’s, Christadelphians, or the Oneness Pentecostals position…as they ALL preach their “truth” from the same Bible also??? Surely you cannot think all these positions are acceptable. If not then which one is correct and why do you get to be the one to choose? Is yours the infallible one? If not then who really cares? On the other hand, you are certainly welcome to believe and profess whatever you want to believe, there are plenty of differing beliefs in the world today based on the Bible. But to glean this from the historically decidedly Catholic Trinitarian book is just plain silly… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books, and ONLY the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 4th century, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself? Peace!!!

[@Camalamadingdon]

The leader of the Catholic Church is Jesus

[@davidstamburski9487]

@Camalamadingdon yes but who is the Earthly leader??

[@_ready__]

I come to the ONE TRUE for my questions. How do you attain salvation? TIA

[@tabandken8562]

Love and good works.

[@_ready__]

@@tabandken8562 you and the catechism do not agree

[@_ready__]

@@tabandken8562 can you send me a good list of your works that earn your salvation please. If works are needed then we need to prioritize this list also…

[@dannisivoccia2712]

Touchiness about what others teach or say about one's particular church is a form of fear, and we know that fear is not of God. Followers of Christ are called to defend the faith, which is the Gospel, not His church. He Himself is the defender of His church, which is why the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. If God had to depend on fallible ones, His church would have been trashed a long time ago.

[@davidcole333]

I have to disagree with you on this one...first, you have to define "touchiness." Second, the Catholic church is slandered, lied about, and misrepresented ad nauseum. Defending the church has nothing to do with fear, but everything to do with a sense of duty and rightness. It's no different than if I said you were a horrible parent because you inappropriately disciplined your child. First, I don't know what kind of a parent you are, and I don't know how you actually discipline your children. But if I go to my church and the minister tells me how bad of a parent you are and how inappropriately you discipline your child, then I tell everyone else that you're a horrible parent and discipline your child inappropriately, would you not be justified in defending yourself? It's the exact same thing the Catholic church is dealing with.

[@dannisivoccia2712]

@@davidcole333 The word 'touchiness' means to be easily offended and upset; easily irritated. What you call a duty and a rightness, so as to defend one's particular church from slander, lies, and misrepresentations, is disobedience to what Jesus commanded His followers: "Resist not evil..."

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Dennis, you might be full of shit. You make Jesus a liar. BAD PLAN.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@dannisivoccia2712 So go troll Muslims! Unless you are ASHAMED of the Gospel. Sam Shamoun is not. You could learn from him.

[@carakerr4081]

John 6:53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

[@_ready__]

Early church fathers were just some of rhe first to walk away from Paul’s doctrine to the church, the body of Christ and follow the apostles doctrine for Israel under the law! Things that are different are not the same! Grace and peace

[@georgepierson4920]

Wrong.

[@NuLeif]

Absolutely not. Can you name any of the Early Church Fathers?

[@midairfortress-revert]

Utter nonsense. But also ironic given that you trust those same Fathers to have accurately handed down to you Paul's doctrine.

[@_ready__]

@@midairfortress-revert are you trying to follow Christ via His earthly ministry? Yes or no?

[@_ready__]

@@NuLeif have you read the Didache?

[@mynameismudd5054]

Remember when the current Pope said “All religions lead to the same God”? Baal remembers. And so does Pepperidge Farm.

[@lSineMentel]

Do you understand that the main religions he talked about are all Abrahamic religions they all do lead to the same God the pope said that because us so called followers of god feel it’s better to fight amongst ourselves than rather do good for the rest of the world like god wanted so yes he’s right they all lead to god

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Even if, THAT was an opinion, not doctrine.

[@mynameismudd5054]

@@HAL9000-su1mz but he’s the Vicar

[@midairfortress-revert]

@@mynameismudd5054 it's not an ex cathedra declaration. we are free to respectfully disagree with him on it.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@mynameismudd5054 1. Truth is of God, correct? 2. All religions have "some" degree of truth, correct? 3. Exposure to truth stimulates the human desire for more truth, correct? 4. All vicars have been sinners. He goes to confession, just like the janitors at the Vatican.

[@danvankouwenberg7234]

Is it Biblical worship, or do they worship the Bible?

[@gregoryt8792]

That statement is redundant. Protestantism began well in translating the Bible so everyone could read it but the hierarchy of Rome (though it did not refute the 95 thesis) began to kill and persecute and burn at the stake those who had a translation. The Bible is the inspired word of God. 1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” Luke 1:46-47 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 1 Corinthians 10:4 “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.” 1 Samuel 2:2 “There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. Mark 7:7. “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” 2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” 1 Timothy 4:3 “Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.” 2 Timothy 3:15 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 1Ti 3:2 - A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Tit 1:7 - For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; (1000+ victims of 300 priests in Pennsylvania alone) Hosea 6:6 “For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.” Rev 3:16 - So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. It is important to read all of John 6 to understand that the flesh profits nothing and the spirit is truth. Better to be a born again Christian and find a good home Bible study group.

[@danvankouwenberg7234]

@@gregoryt8792 oh boy. You think protestants translated the Bible in English or German first? I think you've been getting some bad history lessons.

[@Leonard-td5rn]

Bible had been translated into Latin by Jerome during Roman empire Literate could read Latin The Bible had to be copied by hand Printing did not exist

[@fredricos9468]

We are calling Christians, Christ followers.We don't pray to the dead,or to status of angels and mary. Jesus is the only way!!!

[@georgepierson4920]

Jesus said that all are alive in God. You Protestants say that all are dead in God. Who is right?

[@fredricos9468]

@@georgepierson4920 Were was Lazarus when Jesus rose him from the DEAD? Answer me that..

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

So, never been to a Catholic Mass or Orthodox Divine Liturgy? They are Christ. You have NEVER seen Him. We have. You refuse His Body and Blood. We obey and consume it. Instead of accusing like Satan (Revelation 12:10), why not ASK???

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@fredricos9468 His spirit left his body. "To be absent from the body is to be present to the Lord." You can find that...

[@fredricos9468]

@@HAL9000-su1mz Please explain what will happen when Jesus returns, judgement day.?

[@johnp.6043]

Scripture will always be unclear, If you are using one of the two hundred plus confusing altered bibles. They removed one of the most important verse in scriptures. 2 Timothy 2:15 King James Version 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. ( The first command is “Study” and then divide the word of truth, you will not find that in your Bible. There are three groups of people in Scripture,”Jews, Gentiles, and the Church”. If you read the true word of God, 1611,KJV you will know who God is speaking too, “If it is for you are not”., by righly dividing the word of truth. I am a former Catholic most of my life, until a friend explained to me how to understand the scriptures by dividing the word.” dispensation” The Catholic apologists reject this doctrine, that I have debated with for ten years, every Protestant that converted to Catholicism, never had that understanding.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Has it ever, even once, occurred to you that maybe 1.5 BILLION Orthodox and Catholics might just be right and some Goober with a Wal-Mart bible might be wrong?

[@tabandken8562]

We don't have that understanding because it's false. Dispensationalism is false. There is no longer Jew or Greek. It's one people. One Gospel, not 2 or 3, ONE. One faith, one baptism, one Lord of ALL.

[@johnp.6043]

@@tabandken8562 Jew and Gentile can make up the Christian church today if they are saved in Christ. Romans 11 The Jews will be provoked until jealousy until the fullness of the Gentiles are done, then all of Israel will be saved, which is called “ Jacob’s trouble” during the seven year tribulation timeline. That is a period that the Jewish nation will know Jesus as their messiah, today ninety seven percent of Jews don’t believe In Jesus. Remember Israel is the apple of God’s eye, and he is coming back for them. If you believe there is a Old Testament and a New Testament then you believe in “ Dispensation “.

[@bgorg1]

This binary is crazy if you look at it from a point of reason rather than a polemic. One can say that the Roman/Western church needed major reform and that the reformers, and certainly their ecclesial successors, also missed the mark. To say it’s either the church fathers or the reformers, without any other option, is a logical misstep.

[@midairfortress-revert]

Please point to where in the video I made the claim that the Church was never in need of reform. You're mistaking true reformers (of which there were 100s of faithful Catholic examples not just in the 16th century but in every century), and Protestant rebels who didn't actually reform the Church that Jesus founded but created their own, new ones.

[@bgorg1]

You put words in my mouth friend. My claim is from the first 10 seconds where you say either the fathers or the reformers got it wrong. That’s a black and white statement. What if they both got it wrong in some ways and we are in a process of constant formation. I am not mistaking anything. By your stating there were Catholic reformers seems to imply that Catholics wouldn’t agree with the opening 10 seconds about who got it wrong. That’s the fallacy. It makes for a good line in the sand and I’m inclined towards the fathers, but it is t black and white. God bless

[@peterzinya1]

Jesus is a man, not a religion.

[@srich7503]

Did anyone say otherwise?

[@peterzinya1]

@@srich7503 Every religion says so. Thats why there are religions.

[@srich7503]

@@peterzinya1 well, then whats the point of the OP?🤷🏽‍♂️

[@peterzinya1]

@@srich7503 The point is....religions are phoney balony.

[@srich7503]

@ and how do you know this? How do you even know Jesus is a man or anything about Jesus?

[@Deww-ez]

Do you know what a Lutheran divine service even looks like?

[@NuLeif]

Lutheran Divine Service seems very similar to the Catholic mass. The LDS describes their service as “ceremonies and other practices that are profitable for tranquility and good order in the Church” (AC XV 1) - this does not mean every tradition in every congregation is exactly the same.” The substantial difference: Catholics: 1. Transubstantiation - The Real Presence (Eucharist) IS “makes present” the sacrifice on Calvary. 2. Priests Lutherans: 1. Transubstantiation (spiritual presence) 2. Pastors

[@Deww-ez]

@@NuLeif spiritual presence is the calvinist/reformed position not the Lutheran. The eucharist is not just spiritual in a Lutheran service but also a physical reality and is present in the sacrament. The Lutheran view does not use aristotelian metaphysics to describe the sacrament however. Martin Luther wrote of Ulrich Zwingli that he would “Rather drink pure blood with the Pope than mere wine with the fanatics” Not sure what you're getting at with the pastors vs priests distinction.

[@NuLeif]

@@Deww-ezThat’s what I mean. Lutherans: Basically his presence is “covering” around the bread/wine. Not actually changed to his actual body and blood. Others protestant denominations believe it’s just a symbol.

[@NuLeif]

@@Deww-ezPriest: line of apostolic authority. Priest needed for “the blessing” and words of consecration (transubstantiation). This man has two great videos on the subject.

[@Deww-ez]

@@NuLeif Eh, I mean realistically this is the least important difference. What matters is that its christs body and blood, which both sides affirm. The Lutheran just simply won’t explain how this works.

[@stephendavies2925]

Abraham obeyed the word of God and he called it worship! Back to basics!

[@garymckenzie7196]

Jesus said follow the oral traditions that is the jewish oral traditions which delves into divorce etc but under the oral tradition u cannot drink blood it cannot be clearer

[@dannyboy6598]

Did jesus say tht only the rcc can do transubstanciation? Pls show me what verse. So why do u lie. The apostles n early christians broke bread from house to house n whatever crumbs fell on the table or floor was swept with a broom. Got it? They understood tht it was not the literal body of christ. So christians follow what the apostles did n preached.

[@midairfortress-revert]

I have multiple videos on this important subject. Feel free to watch.

[@dannyboy6598]

@@midairfortress-revert sorry U will never convince me.

[@geoffjs]

Catholics believe that the bread and wine in the Lord’s Supper becomes the body and blood of Christ when the priest said the words of institution found in 1 Corinthians 11:23-25. I reviewed the entire New Testament carefully and noted that the Eucharist is intimately connected with Christian worship (Acts 2:42, 46; 20:7; Jude 12; 2 Pet. 2:13). In fact, it seemed 1 Corinthians 11:20-21 and 5:7b-8 implied a regular celebration of the Eucharist. As for the idea of the “real presence” of Jesus in the Eucharist, the dire warning of Paul-that those who partake unworthily are guilty of “the body and blood of the Lord”-did not lend itself well to my symbolical notion of the Eucharist (1 Cor. 11:23-27). Why were Christians in grave sin when doing violence to this particular “symbol” and not to other Christian symbols? Moreover, 1 Corinthians 10:14-18 speaks of us “participating” in the body and blood of Christ at the Eucharist in the same way Israel participated in the sacrifices of the altar-which would be by actually, not symbolically, eating the sacrifice of the Passover. I was beginning to think that a literal understanding of John 6:53-54 wouldn’t be entirely out of line. The words daily bread, in their original language, refer to supernatural bread or Eucharist! If you don’t believe in His Real Presence, investigate Eucharistic miracles, signs from God which science can’t explain with the same AB blood type & living heart tissue. Visit Carlos Acutis If the Eucharist is not His One True Presence, why do Satanists steal consecrated hosts from Catholic parishes for desecration at sacrilegious black masses, not something that happens to Protestantism because of its belief of symbolism Starting with Jn 6:63. The “flesh” Jesus notes refers to our inclination to think only with our natural human reason instead of the enlightenment that comes with the grace of God. Jesus refers to THE flesh, not HIS flesh Jn 6:66 refers to people who walked away from Jesus. Numbers are important & with God, there are no coincidences The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the source & summit of Christianity.

[@dannyboy6598]

@@geoffjs if U talk about receiving it unworthily, can pedophile priests change bread into the real presence. No. N why are pedophiles allowed to partake of your sacred eucharist. Concerning satanists, stealing your hosts. U must realise tht Satan is a cunning n blatant liar n he knows tht caths will fall for this lie. Just like all caths fall for the lies of the imm conception n assumption dogmas. N the cunning lies tht Mary spoke to the children of Fatima, Lourdes, Akita etc n the miracles tht he did. God has no secrets. When it is a secret, the human mind becomes anxious n news spreads. The bible has enough miracles to know God. We don't need all the rest

[@srich7503]

Yes danny, Jesus did in fact say the Catholic church is the only church that can “do transubstanciation”. Its the Bible verse directly after the verse you have never answered for me that tells you which books belong in the Bible… Have you found that verse yet? For another reminder its found… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books, and ONLY the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 4th century, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself? Peace!!!

[@davidcrane6593]

Pretty amazing today the pope tells the world that all religions lead to God. I'm gonna go out on a kimb here and say HE got this one wrong.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Is that actually what he said? Have the quote? EVEN IF, all religions have SOME truth in them. Read them! "SOME" truth, I said. That fraction of truth appeals to our desire for MORE TRUTH. Correct? CONVERTS! HELLO? Look at them! From Islam. Hinduism. Sikhism. Confucianism. You name it! Did that fraction of truth lead them to greater truth? Hard to deny.

[@davidcrane6593]

@@HAL9000-su1mz what does God say?John 14:6 KJV - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@davidcrane6593 Yes. Read my post again, slowly.

[@tabandken8562]

Did he? Even Paul affirmed the "unknown" non-Christian pagan God as the God he preached about. Acts 17:23 For passing by, and seeing your idols, I found an altar also, on which was written: To the unknown God. What therefore you worship, without knowing it, that I preach to you: 24 God, who made the world, and all things therein; he, being Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

[@tabandken8562]

​@@davidcrane6593All that means is that all who die will be come through Jesus and Jesus will judge you on your works.

[@dannyboy6598]

If u are born again, u will know what is worship. Now let me ask u. Is kissing the popes ring n feet worship to God? First fridays n first saturdays? divine mercy n the chaplets? Faustina's diary, praying with pagan beads, praying the rosary, praying to dead humans, praying to mary, wearing the scapular n miraculous medal, the green n brown scapular, the revere n honor to statues n the "holy" rosary etc. N fo u know how much time is wasted praying the rosary instead of reading God's word.

[@Camalamadingdon]

The rosary contains God’s word. You literally say prayers that come directly from scripture the whole time you pray it, and you meditate on different aspects of the life of Jesus and the Church. By what authority do you claim to be “born again” but imply that Catholics are not? For someone claiming the Holy Spirit, you display implied disrespect toward the Mother of God. Why do you think that is ok?

[@dannyboy6598]

@Camalamadingdon if U agree tht Christians obey the bible then u must also agree tht we do not do anything outside the bible even implied worship to any human. N 1tim 2:5 clearly says tht believers only go thru Jesus as a mediator. Yes anyone can pray for U but only Jesus mediates n no one else is worthy to mediate. Thts why we don't pray thru others. N how is this showing disrespect by obeying bible.

[@ZWAYTOLIFE]

It all comes down to understanding Eph 2:8-10 vs James ch. 2! The reformers got the ordo salutis correctly. The CC got it wrong, completely wrong. They even now make sacraments part of salvation totally going against Eph 2:8-10 and James 2. Neither are concerned with sacraments! Poo poo !!

[@georgepierson4920]

Jesus instituted the sacraments. Why are you having problems with that.

[@ZWAYTOLIFE]

@@georgepierson4920 I don’t have an issue with sacraments. The issue is what or how are people saved? Paul in Gal 1:1-12 makes it clear if we preach a different Gospel than his gospel we are anathema. So we must ALL preach correctly how one is saved. So as a Catholic; what is your gospel? Ccc number is what I’m looking for?? Thx!

[@georgepierson4920]

​@@ZWAYTOLIFE Sacrament(s) are efficacious, 1127 as actions of the Holy Spirit at work, 1116 baptized person's right to receive, 1269 Christ's presence in, 1088, 1127, 1509 the Church as, 747, 774-76, 780, 1045, 1108, 1140 definition and significance of, 774, 1084, 1131 the Eucharist as the "Sacrament of sacraments," 1211, 1324, 1374 foundations of the sacraments in the life of Christ, 1115 as God's "masterworks" in the New Covenant, 1116 instituted by Christ, 1114 necessary for salvation, 1129 number of, 1113, 1117 as "powers that come forth" from the body of Christ, 1116 prefigured in the signs of the Old Covenant, 1150 purposes of, 1123, 1680 the sacramental economy, 1076 touch all the stages of natural life, 1210 which are not to be repeated, 698 the Word of God necessary for the, 1122, 1133 See also individual sacraments the Blessed sacrament adoration and worship of, 1178, 1183, 1418, 2691 Christ's real presence in, 1374 doctrine of the sacraments of Christ, 1114-16 of the Church "through her" and "for her," 1117-21 communicate the grace of salvation signified by them, 1127-29 of the faith which feed, strengthen, and express the faith, 1122-26 prefigure the future glory of eternal life, 1130 ecclesial dimension of the sacraments as bonds of the Church, 815 "of the Church," "through her," and "for her," 1118 communicate the riches of Christ to all members, 947 communion of sacraments binds us to Christ, 950 give growth and healing to the members of Christ, 798 importance of sacraments in liturgical catechesis, 1074-75 sacramental mission of the Church, 738-40, 1132 as signs of God's forgiveness, 2839 as the way of Christian initiation, 1212, 1275, 1425, 1533 effects of the sacraments act ex opere operate, 1128 assist healing, 1420-21 communicate the Holy Spirit to the members of Christ's body, 739 confer a sacramental "character" or sign, 698, 1121 effect the grace signified by them, 1084, 1127, 1131 establish the unity of Christians, 1126 forgive sins, 977, 987 give sacramental grace, 2003 Holy Orders and Matrimony as sacraments directed toward the salvation of others, 1534-35 make Christians "children of God," 1692 sustain and strengthen those who are on the way to holiness, 1133, 2030 unite us to Christ, 790, 950

[@georgepierson4920]

@@ZWAYTOLIFE Salvation all need salvation, 588 angels as messengers of the divine plan of, 331-32 Baptism necessary for, 1256-57, 1277 Christ's coming for man's, 456-57, 519, 1019 Church as the universal instrument and sacrament of, 776, 780, 816 comes from God alone, 169, 620 and the communion of saints, 1477 ecclesial ministry for man's, 874 "economy of salvation," 1066 everything is ordained for man's, 313 gift of salvation presented through Christ, 1811 God desires the salvation of all men in the truth, 851 God opens the way to man's, 54, 56, 218, 431, 781, 1058, 2575 help for salvation of the soul, 95 hope of, 2091 hope of salvation in Israel, 64 human freedom and, 1739-42 importance of moral decisions for, 1696 Is there salvation without Baptism? 1259, 1261 man needs, 1949, 2448 means of, 830, 980 mission of salvation in the work of priests, 1565 observance of the natural law necessary for, 2036 Paul contrasts the universality of sin with the universality of, 402 of the person and society bound up with conjugal happiness, 1603, 2250 prayer for, 2744 sacraments are necessary for, 1129 Sacred Scripture for man's, 107, 122 sacrifice of the Cross for man's, 600-02, 617 saving one's own soul, 1889 service of and witness to the faith necessary for, 1816 Virgin Mary cooperated in human, 511, 969 work of salvation impeded by the Evil One, 2851

[@georgepierson4920]

@@ZWAYTOLIFE Gospel(s) acceptance of, 1229 authors of, 515 catechesis and the proclamation of, 6, 854 and the Church's social teaching, 2419, 2421 contents of, 513 deacons' office to proclaim, 1570 formation of, 126 and fulfillment of the Old Law, 1968 the Lord's Prayer as summary of the whole, 2761, 2763, 2774 Old Law as preparation for, 1964 proclaiming, 2, 75, 860, 875, 888, 1565, 2044, 2419 as revelation of God's mercy, 1846 significance and importance of, 125-27, 139 transmission of, 76-79 See also Good News; New Testament; Sacred Scripture

[@geraldhill7547]

Jesus came to bring Jews and Gentiles together and interpret the law. In about 100 years man totally corrupted Jesus teaching.

[@georgepierson4920]

So, you believe that Jesus failed.

[@geraldhill7547]

@@georgepierson4920 Not at all. Man failed as they always do. Jesus completed his perfect work. God chose people in Christ before the foundation of the world. Those know that straight is the gate and narrow is the way. Read the Bible, then read the church fathers, and don't use the lens you were raised in. What changes in practice happened between the apostles in Acts and the church fathers? What happened when "Rome" accepted Christianity? God bless.

[@georgepierson4920]

@@geraldhill7547 I was raised Catholic...still am.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

"Therefore Jesus is a liar. YOU just conformed that! Thank you!" - Prominent atheists

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@georgepierson4920 Worse! He is a liar! Poor poor gerald!

[@dannyboy6598]

Btw Jesus n the apostles did not say mass , did not hv wafer eucharist n hear confessions. Why do u think? Because your interpretation of these are all wrong

[@geoffjs]

The Last Supper was the first Holy Mass.

[@Camalamadingdon]

Re-read your Bible friend. You seem to have missed both the last supper and the call to confession

[@dannyboy6598]

@Camalamadingdon pls show me the verses

[@jeromepopiel388]

The Bible also has something to say about worship John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. What is worship in the spirit? It is worship by faith and not litergy. When you have a locked in liturgy and procedure then there is no room for the Spirit to move. That is why the scripture is not specific.

[@AS-np3yq]

Why do YOU believe that you are right? Protestants dont worship. They just talk nicely about Jesus. Rhe holy liturgy and eating God's flesh is worship

[@filiusvivam4315]

Sad. Recommend you study early Church. Protestants don't know Jesus Christ.

[@TimSpangler-rd6vs]

@@AS-np3yq after the REAL NT Church began at Pentecost.....NO Queen of Heaven......NO Jesus sacrificed on an Altar in an unbloody manner......NO Rosaries.......NO worship of the Eucharist......NO Holy Water.......NO Monstrance.....NO Indulgences......NO Scapulars.........NO Pope......NO Nuns........NO Altar Boys............NO Immaculate Heart of Mary ......NO Mediatrix.......NO Co Redeemer......NO Immaculate Conception.........NO Priests absolving sin, then imposing penance for the confessed sins of the penitent.......

[@frankkienle8926]

Baptism regenerates the believer in the Spirit. The Eucharist is confected by the Holy Spirit at the prayers of consecration. The entire mass is one Spirit-filled worship service, directed to God the Father through the Son, by the power of the Holy Spirit. Your saying the Spirit is confined by how we approach this worship in the liturgy? My friend, we are all one in Spirit at the mass. (Baptism) If it is confined, then let it be so. I’d rather be united as one worshiping in the Spirit, then loosely living off of someone else’s interpretation of scripture.

[@Catholiclady3]

If you don't go to mass, how do you know we don't worship in spirit? You're making the assumption that the Holy Spirit isn't present at mass. We certainly feel the Holy Spirit at mass. I don't feel the Holy Spirit at a prodestant service. You obviously do, but you can't tell us that we don't feel the Holy Holy Spirit or the presence of Christ at mass. Jesus is truly present in our church, and we experience him. If you're going on experience, you can't object to our experience of Jesus in mass. Maybe you're just not open to the experience of Christ at the mass.

[@jeromepopiel388]

This guy uses the word " become" over and over while not admitting or not knowing that Jesus NEVER USED the word "become"! Could it be any plainer that this is unbiblical. Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Jesus dwells in us through His Holy Spirit, not in the flesh. Even the man's history is skewed or he wants to conceal the history that doesn't support his bias.. Here is the history: During the Middle Ages the doctrine as taught by Augustine gradually gave way for the doctrine of the RCC. In AD 818 Paschasius Radbert formally propounded the doctrine that the material elements in the sacrament are by divine power literally changed into the very body that was born of Mary, the outward appearance of bread and wine being, after consecration, a mere veil that deceives the senses. This doctrine was opposed by the foremost theologians of the day, and particularly by Rabanus Maurus and Ratramnus, who points out that the new teaching confounds the sign with the thing signified and replaces faith by a gross materialism. The new doctrine was defended by Herbert (1093) and shortly after that became the subject of furious controversy. About the year 1050 Berenger of Tours affirmed that the body of Christ is indeed present in the Eucharist, not in essence, but in power; that the elements are changed, but not in SUBSTANCE; and that, in order to secure this change and power, not merely consecration, but faith on the recipient as well is needed. His views were strenuously opposed by Lanfranc (1089) and Humbert (1059) , who made the crass statement that the "very body of Christ was truly held in the priests hand, broken and chewed by the teeth of the faithful". This view was finally defined by Hildebert of Tours (1033), and designated as the doctrine of transubstantiation. This doctrine suggested a good many problems to the Schoolmen, such as those respecting the duration of the change effected, the relation of substance and accidents, the manner of Christ's presence in both elements and in every part of them, the adoration of the host, and so on.

[@AS-np3yq]

The holy spirit dwells in our body, body and soul is one thing as long as we live. Stop beeing your own pope. Be more humble.

[@filiusvivam4315]

you cut and paste walls of text but you don't know history. Pray for humility and courage.

[@o.o.2255]

And these “theologians” were NEVER taught nor received teachings from the apostles who taught the apostles and continued teaching future apostles throughout the generations. So…. These theologians were wrong. Simple. Don’t believe them, believe Christ and His apostles who taught this. The evidence in scripture is overwhelming FOR the Eucharist than against. The Old Testament and New Testament align perfectly through the lens of the Eucharist. BUT, you have so many disconnects between OT and NT when the Eucharist is only a symbol. Remember, the New Testament MUST BE better fulfillment of the Old Testament. (Hebrews 8:5, 10:1) One of many examples is: during the Passover, if the Israelites had to eat the entire lamb, and that lamb was real, not a “symbol,” and the celebration of the Passovers required sacrificing unblemished, first-born lambs that they really sacrificed, cooked, and ate, (they weren’t symbols), the New Covenant cannot LESS than reality, cannot be mere symbolic eating, it must be better. Thus the Eucharist IS truly real food and real drink of the New Passover Lamb of God

[@jeromepopiel388]

@@filiusvivam4315 you pick quotes while ignoring the history.

[@jeromepopiel388]

@@o.o.2255 what was done in the OT was prophetic. It is not to be copied by Christians because everything has been fulfilled. We are to receive by faith in Christ, not by doing what has already been accomplished.

[@39knights]

What may be worse is they may be engaging in idol worship. Their ideas on Jesus and on the Eucharist (including their form of Real Presence) is not based on truth; thus they worship a lie (ie. an idol). Especially where they wrongly believe their 'priests' have valid orders to bring about their false 'real presence'. Thus they worship a piece of bread which they think has some form of real presence to them and is thus the very definition of idolatry.

[@fantasia55]

No one agreed with your take on the Eucharist until the 1520s.

[@ronaldeglewski3073]

You know nothing ,you are just one Protestant out of 35,000 different churches .

[@39knights]

@@fantasia55 Absolutely false. The earliest things Christians were accused of was cannibalism because of the our beliefs in the Eucharist. The ideas of the real presence being merely symbolic or such nonsense only began in the 1500's with all the other heresies protestants have brought back into christianity in their apostasy.

[@carakerr4081]

John 6:53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

[@frederickanderson1860]

Church fathers or any reformer's are not infallible. The whole structure of the Jewish system Jesus over threw. Your church just replaced the temple and the priesthood and the daily sacrifice of the Eucharist.

[@fantasia55]

So, you understand Christianity better than early Christians. Congrats!

[@frederickanderson1860]

@@fantasia55 who are the early Christians. In the original apostles day they never referred themselves as catholic Christians. , god fearers was more apt. Christian l.believe was used only once in book of acts chapter 11 v 26. At Antioch.

[@ronaldeglewski3073]

Christ sad I came to fulfill the law not take it away .

[@ronaldeglewski3073]

@@frederickanderson1860 ,Read St. Ignatius of Antioch 50-107 taught by St. John the Apostle ,Where ever the people are the Catholic Church is , the First time the word Catholic Church was used ,Ignatius knew the Apostles .

[@frederickanderson1860]

@@ronaldeglewski3073 again this has no revelence on my reply about apostle Paul. Only time Christian was used was in book of acts.chapter 11v 26. Nothing in any of the epistle's or in the gospels about the terms catholic Christians.

[@RoyP.-jg4os]

The body of Christ in the Eucharist? Is that the body of Christ on the cross or or or the body of Christ after he rose from the dead? Also the blood? The blood shed on the cross or the blood that was sprinkled on the mercy seat in heaven? Do you know? 🤔🤷‍♂️

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

Neither. If you read 1 Corinthians ch. 10 you will see that the apostle Paul tells the Corinthian christians that they are the body of Christ, His Spiritual body formed when the Holy Spirit came down at Pentecost. The bread broken is Christian believers having communion together as individual members of Christ's body, joining together to form one 'bread' or loaf or Body. They come together in chapter 11 to remember with affection the Lord Jesus who died that they might have life and the forgiveness of sins through the shedding of His precious blood, and they announce His death as the bond that unites them together. The Catholic teaching on the Eucharist is nonsense as Christ has made one sacrifice for sin forever, and every time the Catholic eats and drinks they claim they are eating the dying saviour again and again. Rubbish

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

@@smeatonlighthouse4384 TROLL. Not even Christian. No, Baptism. No other Sacraments.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Catholics and Orthodox receive the RESURRECTED, LIVING Body and Blood of Christ. The crucifix accords with Paul's desire to know nothing except Christ and Him CRUCIFIED. How better to represent His atoning death? The wages of sin is death. The proof? Christ on the cross! Of course He rose, but we must NEVER forget that sin = death.

[@carakerr4081]

John 6 53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

[@gregoryt8792]

The Bible is the inspired word of God. 1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” Luke 1:46-47 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 1 Corinthians 10:4 “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.” 1 Samuel 2:2 “There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. Mark 7:7. “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” 2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” 1 Timothy 4:3 “Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.” 2 Timothy 3:15 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 1Ti 3:2 - A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Tit 1:7 - For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; (1000+ victims of 300 priests in Pennsylvania alone) Hosea 6:6 “For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.” Rev 3:16 - So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. It is important to read all of John 6 to understand that the flesh profits nothing and the spirit is truth. Better to be a born again Christian and find a good home Bible study group.

[@tabandken8562]

Do you think you win by cherry picking verses out of our book and putting your spin on them? You don't.

[@carakerr4081]

John 6:53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

[@arthursabarre2897]

Who made the Bible? Will you please research sir!