Catholic Reacts to Tool - Wings for Marie/ 10,000 Days

[@shawnthompson1129]

The autobiography through the artistry of Maynard James Keenan about his mother Judith Marie Via his music with Tool and A Perfect Circle: Jimmy by Tool-Marie's stroke induced paralysis when Maynard was eleven. Judith by A Perfect Circle -Maynard's anger towards his mother's unshakeable faith in a God he felt failed her. Wings for Marie 1&2 10,000 days by Tool -Maynard's coming to terms with his biggest fan, Marie, accepting of her steadfast faith through 10,000 days of suffering, and her eternal rest in death. Sad, beautiful and a masterpiece in story telling. Thank you Maynard for being an inspiration in my life for 30+ years.

[@kakashi1090]

Just saw this pop up and I really appreciate you sharing your depth of knowledge and experience with Catholicism in relation to the song. I applaud you for approaching it WITH your faith too because he very blatantly and clearly criticizes the faith in his music - this song being no exception. Near the end, you mentioned that he unintentionally admits to believing in God. I thought that was a really interesting statement. From my perspective, it felt like he was saying "I don't believe in your (his mother's) faith, but if you are right, I'll know you've made it to Heaven." I think it shows a level of tolerance and willingness to love her even if he disagrees with her beliefs. Really good video and the sober perspective on it. It's hard, I think, to find a voice that stands by their faith in their analysis and educates people on the religion. It's a hard balance to strike and I think you did very well. I enjoyed this a lot.

[@jameskilgo5327]

While Maynard’s theology is incorrect in places, his love for his mother and her beliefs allow him to acknowledge that God may be more benevolent than he has come to think. His frustrations/anger are not at God, but his mother’s situation. This song begins to show that. Unlike the song Judith, where he outright condemns God for his mother’s situation. Like all of us believers, we fall short of God and need to constantly seek Him. I think this song is of hope for Maynard and his spiritual journey, and not fodder for web critics to seize upon the opportunity to find fault with him and his beliefs/theology. God Bless.

[@mugogrog]

If you want to understand these two songs then you need to realize that they're written from the viewpoint of his mother. He puts himself in his mothers shoes and exclaims the demands he thinks his mother should be making if her beliefs happen to be true. He injects his views on things as well in the lines about people who he deems to be hypocrits and not sincere in their faith and juxtaposes them with his mother. Just because you can empathize with a person of faith and steelman their positions doesn't mean you share their beliefs.

[@DMKali]

Maynard did this commentary piece on writing this song here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4aTc6WtobyBis0si=daNXzbis28UdbJGB

[@yettibaker5785]

He sings about his mom. Ten thousand days was how long it took for the cancer to take her.

[@ryderclark4384]

I can assure you that Maynard is not religious. Opiate2 perfectly illustrates this

[@Daedric_Sion]

You looked so bored listening to this. This song for me shows shows the tension between his unwavering love and gratitude to his mother even though she holds beliefs that he cannot align with. The song "Judith" reenforces these feelings. The reference to "this little light of mine" is for the talent he has, not faith.

[@scottmayo7545]

I think the certainty in what happens after we die is the hypocrisy. God knows we don't know so when we act like we know he rolls his eyes, probably. He wants us to be good to each other and the planet. I doubt he wants us wasting our time bowing before him. My god isn't so narcissistic. Plus he isn't a fan of gold anymore. My god was big into gold in the late 80''s and early 90's but now he is going for the minimalist, less is more approach.

[@SingWithCecilia]

God has revealed certain things about Himself and what He expects of us through the prophets, the gospels and letters from early church leaders recorded in the Holy Bible as well as through the traditions of the church passed down through all generations since Christ. The Catholic Church's approach to understanding God is actually evidence based as opposed to your method of relying on your feelings and what you would prefer God to be like.

[@nayrtnartsipacify]

Maynard is a freemason. So its likely he is a deist.

[@Randomnpcpage]

Catholicism...DERP

[@hate6crew6death6roll]

Maynard's book states he is very anti-religious (im guessing also thanks to his parenting) and you've missed the point of the song and the band in general: TOOL are very spiritual, they love their spirit molecule like many of us and other psychonauts do (or only get to experience when we die for the 'straight edge' - you get a dose no matter what - the human experience) but maynard is a much more non-christian type 'spiritual' like more indian/buddhist and shamanic, thats why you have chanting, repetition, monk cymbals clashing. You don't gotta believe in one thing to be a 'spiritual' person, i mean the spirit molecule WAS the thing to turn me from atheist to agnostic in 15 minutes As Fan that isn't boxed into a religion, here their thoughts: "Tool didn't shape my beliefs. Sometimes you can't put things into a box but you know there's something at the intersection of it all that is real. That's enough for me. I think they each practice their individual philosophies and their work meets at the middle ground and because of that it can suit people from many walks of life." 'it's too artsy for me' jeepers, TOOL are not for you then with their beautiful Alex Grey Psychedelic art style, your christian trying to find any connects to Christianity here when theres the opposite - they call many of the loopholes of your, whatever edition/edited in/out style, book, is being torn apart by his questions and pains of suffering in this song - the answer, it's right infront of you. but like marilyn manson said with 'the beautiful people' and it perfectly sums up Christian religion sects/groups- 'And I don't want you and I don't need you Don't bother to resist, or I'll beat you -(with shame or worse) It's not your fault that you're always 'wrong' The weak ones are there to justify the strong The beautiful people, the beautiful people It's _all relative to the size of your steeple_ *You can't see the forest for the trees You can't smell your own shi* on your knees* *There's no time to discriminate Hate every motherf***ker That's in your way* Hey you, what do you see? *Something beautiful* or something _free?_ Hey, you, are you trying to be *mean* -(Christians, no matter their sect, love to judge and be mean) If you live with apes man, it's hard to be clean' Metal music woke a lot of people up to the BS in that book and gave them a better 'belief'- metal music and the community