Causality and Cosmos: Reconciling Islam and Modern Science with Dr. Özgür Koca

Islam, Causality, and Science: Perspectives on Reconciliation of Islamic Tradition and Modern Science (Elements in Islam and Science) by Dr. Özgür Koca www.amazon.co....

[@r.rahman12]

- Timestamps - 0:00:03 Welcoming, and introducing the guest Dr. Özgür Koca, and his works _The presentation on "Islam, Causality, and Science"_ 0:01:59 Why Causality? 0:07:41 Islam and Causality 0:09:58 Mu'tazilite Account of Causality 0:19:36 Islamic Occasionalist Account of Causality 0:34:51 Islamic Participatory Account of Causality 0:49:47 The Challenge : Divine Causality and Modern Science 0:57:25 Difficulties in the proposed solutions 1:01:45 Four Challenges 1:07:36 Four Challenges of a Reconciliation 1:09:05 Evaluations 1 - Mu'tazilite Account of Causality 1:19:14 Evaluation 2 - Ash'arite Account of Causality 1:29:18 Evaluation 3 - Participatory Account of Causality 1:48:27 Conclusion 1:48:51 Concluding thoughts, and thanking Dr. Özgür Koca

[@BloggingTheology]

Many thanks

[@RabiaElizabeth]

I’m only 30 minutes into this episode and I ran out and bought the book! Allah SWT brought this to my attention because I’m especially in need of better understanding of causality today. Jazakallah khair to Dr Koca, brother Paul, and all the scholars who spent much of their lives devoted to understanding and clarification for the benefit of the ummah.

[@MuhammadAbdElhalim-r2f]

I feel tremendous spiritual happiness when I remember that I am a Muslim and I feel that Islam is the only truth and I hope that the whole world becomes Muslim 🤍💝

[@sumayyabhorat790]

Aameen ❤

[@SyedAhmedJaved]

﷽ You do not only _"feel"_ that Islam is the Only Truth, but instead you realize that, because it is still the Only Truth even if no one feels it to be.

[@MuhammadAbdElhalim-r2f]

@@SyedAhmedJaved And I love very much the verses mentioned in the Holy Qur’an about the prophets being Muslims, including Jesus and Moses, and the most beautiful thing about Islam is that it is a very simple religion.

[@Dis-u7p]

@@MuhammadAbdElhalim-r2f Yep. Alhamdulillah. Allah made the final revelation(Al-Quran) simple. Other -ism or nonnamed religious brands make it unnecessarily complex while not realizing turns out the core messages are the same, Tawheed.

[@ukimenustah26]

Imagine a world without prostitution, Zina, riba, corruption gang havoc, and poverty. One day inshaAllah.

[@NotPyramidSelling]

After Imam Tom's video series of Hallaq's critique on Orientalism, this is my favourite discussion you've organised, Paul. Thank you very much! May Allah reward you in this life and the next, ameen.

[@AbidNasim]

Good topic. IMHO, belief is a two step process. First, the individual must figure out if there is a supreme being. And if the answer is yes, then did that supreme being give us any instructions (theistic being) or created us for fun only (deistic being). Truth is multidimensional so the answer to the first question should address all known data points. Today, causality, as discussed in this episode, is perhaps the central question. PS: I like how you introduce and greet guests.

[@msznayangazi5290]

Alhamdulillah 💖

[@hassanmahmood7551]

One of the best episodes

[@orhankanan5336]

❤شكرا

[@ShabirBurhani2021]

Ma Shaa Allah

[@achmadfaisalrizky2858]

Thoughtful discussion..

[@abdurrazzak2970]

May Allah Bless and Reward Both of you in this Life and in the Hereafter.

[@samkb6374]

This is going to be good in shaa Allah!

[@RosewiththornsRWT]

Asalamalaikum 🇺🇸 Very interesting and educational topic!

[@faisalniazi1899]

Ma Shah Allah

[@otfarouki]

Many thanks for this and really appreciated. Very interesting lecture but difficult to follow many words throughout. Any chance of providing subtitles throughout?

[@moahmed55]

Assalamualaikum, paul. Where's brother Bassam Zawadi?

[@goldstudio9930]

Interesting 😢

[@barrunsoleja3156]

The audio quality of your guest is not clear

[@Yeah_sure_]

Paul have you considered inviting Dr Muhammad Al Masari? Much easier for a wider audience to understand. He should seriously be considered on the same subject matter.

[@abdeallahbennaceur3087]

I couldn't focus at all 😅 He talks so many big words for me to understand, and his delivery of information is complex. Word by word not long santance with one idea.

[@safiiitech2156]

Good

[@didem1]

May I suggest we promote feautured books via links not from Amazon, thank you wassalam

[@Saif-l4n8e]

Hello Paul, please invite Dr Omer Atilla Ergi a theologian and physicist based in Australia.

[@ahsannaseer8360]

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[@Swagtorian]

28:27-29:05 unless this video is reuploaded, I got a solid deja vu

[@dhuss14]

I think this brother talked to Paul in 2022 I remember listening to a downloaded video of theirs when walking down the street.

[@dhuss14]

Maybe not him it was another brother talking about determinism I believe.

[@Swagtorian]

@ probably not. But, I felt that feeling in this one strongly

[@AB-vc9oh]

@blogging theology sir do you feel the same as "life on deen" is more complete, fulfilled and awesome as compare to adopting liberal, secular values. What othet guys think about it ??

[@RayOfHope8]

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[@victoremman4639]

Özgür should come back to arabic language, because here he makes philosophy, greek one. The word Cause came from semitic قصص but the meaning evolved in latin. So Özgür is talking of Cause and Effect, there is one word for this concept in arabic : Awwal. The Hamza prefixed (A translitterated here) is the archetipe and grammar tool of the Causality, the double w is factitive mood over the w with meaning of assignment, and the L is the dedication, the producion, hence Awwal could be translated Cause and effect in 1 word in arabic. Then will come the Aakhir, the complete demolition, translated by The Ender. Two names of Allah ta'ala. Allah is Al Awwal Al Aakhir, He will cause the End.

[@AbidNasim]

I agree with you on the strength of Arabic linguistics. Indeed, أول (Awwal) encapsulates both cause and effect in a single term. While the etymological origin of the word 'cause' may not directly trace back to قصص, the thematic overlap is certainly interesting. That said, Arabic tends to be more concrete, whereas Greek is often more abstract in its approach. While the morphosemantic potential of Arabic is undeniable, the primary language of this discussion is English, and likely the language of most of the audience as well.

[@victoremman4639]

@@AbidNasim The particularity of the arabic language, it's its preservation, in features and meaning, at 3 levels : 1) meaning of the root ; 2) meaning of the etyma (2 radicals) inside a root ; meaning of the archetype (each consonant is semantical unit). Example, root علم with the meaning of Sign, etyma لم with meaning of dedication to a matter, and archetype ع the perception. If we gather these 3 levels of meaning, we come back to the meaning of Sign, something we can percieve. Consistent. And yes, I made etymological investigation, "Cause" came from قص you could make your own investigation, or find my article (english and its semitic origin forum actif). This word came from semitic through latin. Hence, the miracle of arabic preservation, while all language around are always changing, in meaning and pronunciation, called A'jamyya languages for a reason : ). So, the arabic is the oldest language for these reasons.

[@green1880]

@victoremman4639 Are you a convert to Islam? How did you learn Arabic and grammar?

[@victoremman4639]

​@ Yes, I'm Mansur. Do you want to learn arabic ? I started with Madina's method, from Sheikh Abdur Rahman, in parallele I started morphosemantic investigations named Ilm as sarf, very important science you should start with this, and then I went to grammar analysis on Qur'an verses. And I make deep investigations on arabic etymology, mostly totally unknow by arabic scholars, and wrote many articles. In sha' Allah I will start soon to make videos on arabic etymology, and a deep insight to learn arabic lexic and morphosemantic.

[@green1880]

@ nice - how did you convert to Islam? Also, where can I find/read your articles? Yeah, I’m interested in learning Arabic - I studied basic Ilm Nahw & Ilm Sarf with a teacher a few years ago but then stopped as I wasn’t being taught enough vocabulary to actually speak!

[@Abuwarda-n2n]

Plz invite Dr nadir Aqil Ansari

[@AbidNasim]

May I propose a future topic? The faculty of language as evidence of creation. Speech is instinctive and serves all species well, yet language-with its burden of grammar and expandable vocabulary-appears to be an evolutionary anomaly. If this seems counterintuitive, consider how human gestation effectively extends another nine months outside the womb, leaving infants vulnerable, just to develop the capacity for language. Unlike other species that acquire speech instinctively at birth, humans required millennia to refine language into a competitive advantage. Does this complexity point to intentional design rather than mere evolution? Moreover, in the absence of another symbiotic specie with this faculty, instinctive speech alone would have sufficed for the biological imperatives of survival and reproduction. Evolution lacks foresight-so the eventual emergence of structured languages, followed by writing, cannot be easily attributed to mutation and natural selection alone.

[@victoremman4639]

Agree! For you the coms I let above too : "Özgür should come back to arabic language, because here he makes philosophy, greek one. The word Cause came from semitic قصص but the meaning evolved in latin. So Özgür is talking of Cause and Effect, there is one word for this concept in arabic : Awwal. The Hamza prefixed (A translitterated here) is the archetipe and grammar tool of the Causality, the double w is factitive mood over the w with meaning of assignment, and the L is the dedication, the producion, hence Awwal could be translated Cause and effect in 1 word in arabic. Then will come the Aakhir, the complete demolition, translated by The Ender. Two names of Allah ta'ala. Allah is Al Awwal Al Aakhir, He will cause the End." Language, étymology and morphosemantic to design the A'lamin.

[@AbidNasim]

​@@victoremman4639 I agree with you on the strength of Arabic linguistics. Indeed, أول (Awwal) encapsulates both cause and effect in a single term. While the etymological origin of the word 'cause' may not directly trace back to قصص, the thematic overlap is certainly interesting. That said, Arabic tends to be more concrete, whereas Greek is often more abstract in its approach. While the morphosemantic potential of Arabic is undeniable, the primary language of this discussion is English, and likely the language of most of the audience as well.

[@victoremman4639]

@@AbidNasim Greek are free to apply meaning on their lexical, and it evolved constently, new concepts appeared then new meaning is applied on words. Rather, the arabic is always abstract, deeply rooted to abstraction, example word BaB, each archetype are infinitives, and B means "accessibility" and used like that even as grammar particle, introducing a way to do, and acces to any action, hence this letter starts the Torah and Qur'an. Another example, to break down any polemic : Yad is it an object, flesh, finger, or an infinitive ? The Y is archetype of a Will, and the D the one of an extension, thus the Yad has an absolute meaning, it's a way to express a Will. This is the semitic tradition behind a hand, the Deed will be judged, and our hand will talk Yum Qiyamat. I reject philosophy because the abuse done on lexical, arrange of the meaning despite the morphology and its semantic, and concepts turning on itselves, we have to accept the postulates, and the reasoning is enclosed. Etymology allows to go back to the source, and analyse its flow running through centuries, how and why the meaning changed. Most of the linguist since 3 centuries pretend that language evolved randomly, which I don't believe at all, with proves and facts.

[@Swagtorian]

wow never knew that I had close account with mutazilites. I was thinking that 1- god's limit is being god. 2- God's titles like most merciful, powerful etc. indirectly simulates god's action. Former was wrong according to an ayah that I forgot, latter one is weird way to put simply god is doing accordingly with his attributes and will 3- God has to use his power to create, otherwise no one would acknowledge the god therefore god contradicts himself. But of course all of these are my limited perception's output.

[@amanpalestina9664]

what is THE Definition of God

[@Owl1416-e5i]

Interesting fact: The principle with games is figurativeness. So if a Muslim makes a man on the screen worship Buddha for points, then he has not fallen in disbelief. If someone plays and he kills a child in the game, then this is done with unseriousness.

[@amanpalestina9664]

Point is ?

[@SyedAhmedJaved]

@@amanpalestina9664 I don't think the commenter named Owl is even sane. He has said so much strange things as of now

[@amanpalestina9664]

@@SyedAhmedJaved is it?. I don't know

[@hmehdi2644]

The title of the book should: Muslims, Causality And Science. Islam is a religion, the thoughts relating to Islam or any other subject are thoughts of Muslims. To conflate thoughts of muslims as Islam is misleading, since different thinkers have different ideas. This is especially true in matters of philosophy. So there is no Islamic philosophy, but rather muslim philosophy with an Islamic flavour in some areas of philosophy. It is meaningless to say there is an Islamic philosophy, since philosophy is a mental process generating ideas from first principles. Casuality is a philosophical concept not an Islamic concept. The Quran uses this concept in its arguments, but it does not discuss causality as a concept.

[@Jkns-w3k]

IN THE REAL KINGDOM OF GOD THERE IS ABUNDANCE OF GRACE, NO LAWS ARE NEEDED.. CAREFULL WITH THE KINGDOM OF MIND, WHERE LAWS ARE STILL THERE

[@Jkns-w3k]

THE REAL GOD IS SHOWING THE TRUTH ALWAYS NO WEAKNESSES IN HIMS, WHILE SHAPES N FORMS STILL STANDING ERECT ON THE GROUND IT IS THE MIND TALKING FALSEHOOD, THE TRUTH IS FOUND WHEN DISTRUCTIONS COMES.. WHEN THINGS ARE DISTROYED... IT IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH, WHEN THE WHOLE EGO(MIND) IS SURRENDERED

[@amanpalestina9664]

For all we modern Science knows .... ▶what is the NAME of this Universe ▶what is the NAME of this Galaxy (before the 17th Century) ▶what is the NAME of this Planet Preferably with an Adjective-Noun. Earth came from Adama (Hebrew Koine) which means EARTH? ------- Planets were well documented by the Mesopotamian, Indus, Egyptian, Chinese, Greek and Mesoamerica BUT somehow it was MISSING in Torah and Bible. I don't know why and how. Its not fair to ask the Earlier Civilization about the Universe and Galaxy. We don't have the necessarily tools and understanding yet. Even the planets were only known in 6 numbers. The rest is too obscure.

[@hmehdi2644]

God does not prove his existence in Quran. God identifies himself in Quran. It is absurd for God to descend to the level of offering a proof for his existence. If he did then he would have created doubt about his being.

[@Jkns-w3k]

CAREFULL WITH REVEALATIONS THAT COMES FROM MIND, TRU ANGELS.. ANGELS WERE NOT TAPPING REVEALATIONS FROM REAL GOD, IT WAS THE MIND... ANGELS ARE LACKING OF FREE WILL AND GRACE, OR RETURN LOVE OF GOD SO THEY ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO TAP REVEALATIONS DIRECTLY FROM REAL GOD, ONLY THE MIND..

[@sarahcesar5813]

Ozgur doesn't speak clearly.. 🙏

[@erique-eljoven]

Reconciling Islam with modern science to me appears to be a gargantuan task, with Islam's cosmology comprising a universe that exists of earth with heavens above it, the lowest one adorned with stars, by Allah, which are also used as weapons against demons. The heavens and the earth once one and then split up by Allah is also difficult to reconcile with modern science, at least I have never heared of a scientific theory affirming Allah's existence and actions.

[@Jkns-w3k]

THE UNIVERSAL MIND IS NOT GOD

[@NandKumar-qq3xk]

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[@moeOl7705]

“As for the prophets who lead my people astray, they proclaim ‘peace’ if they have something to eat, but prepare to wage war against anyone who refuses to feed them. The seers will be ashamed and the diviners disgraced. They will all cover their faces because there is no answer from God.” But as for me, I am filled with power, with the Spirit of the Lord, and with justice and might, to declare to Jacob his transgression, to Israel his sin." -Micah 3 : 5-8 "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. The sun and moon will be darkened,and the stars no longer shine"- Joel 3: 14-15

[@koroglurustem1722]

Keep worshipping a man in flesh. The God Almighty is One and only and Jesus worshipped the Father in heaven and called Him “only true God”. There is no trinity. The highest commandment of the God in Bible is “do not worship other deities besides me” and yet Christians do idol worshiping! Your misplaced Bible quotes do not apply to Muhammad, because he didn’t teach blasphemy of worshiping a man besides God. Muhammad did not bring lawlessness but a sacred Torah (Law) which will be eternally in power. Christians reject the teachings of Jesus and follow the blasphemer Paul. Paul introduced abolishment of the Mosaic Law. Therefore Jesus warned you Christians against false prophets who will come as wolf in sheepskin. Paul is the one who claimed to follow Jesus and spoke on his behalf despite the fact that he never met Jesus. Muhammad did not claim to be a Christian nor did he speak in the name of Jesus. Muhammad spoke as a submitter to God (in Arabic “Muslim”), and he spoke in the name of God, not Jesus. And Jesus prophesied that in his second coming he reject the Christians who will tell him “Lord, lord, we healed the sick in your name, did good actions in your name” and Jesus will tell to those Christians that “get away from me, you people of lawlessness”! Muslims act in the name of the God, not in the name of Jesus. So, his rebuke will be to you Christians who follow Paul and consider the Law abolished. If you followed the Law, you would do circumcision, avoid pig and alcohol, follow the marriage and inheritance laws, follow Shabbat, etc. In contrast we Muslims act in the name of Allah and follow the final law for the gentiles (including Jews) which is the shariah law.

[@abdurrazzak2970]

May Allah Bless and Reward Both of you in this Life and in the Hereafter.

[@ahsannaseer8360]

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