“Causes Public Outrage With Their Communities” Former Policeman On Increasing Stop And Search

Julia Hartley-Brewer is joined by former police officer Norman Brennan to discuss the Tories call for more stop and searches on the street.
It comes after policing minister Chris Philp urged forces to increase the use of stop and searches as part of a “robust approach” to tackle knife crime.
Writing for the Daily Telegraph, Mr Philp described stop and search as a “vital tool” which is “not used nearly often enough”.
The use of stop and search was reduced after then home secretary Theresa May curbed powers amid fears black people were disproportionately targeted, restrictions which have been eased.
Norman says: “The Met Police are not going to be carrying out stop and searches like Chris Philp wants, there are dozens awaiting discipline hearings because they have done exactly what he is asking.”
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[@davidcoleman5246]

Lawless London needs stop and search more than ever.

[@Kris-ox5pm]

At this point, London needs the army to flood the city and impose martial law. Soldiers with assault rifles posted on every corner, patrols, spotlights, everything.

[@user-vt5yd4od8m]

My dad was a 1950s Hull copper , in those days stop and search was called. SUS OR BAG TAPPING there was none of today’s arguments because nearly every person was white 😊

[@paulsmyth3580]

@@user-vt5yd4od8m and there was less crime

[@user-vt5yd4od8m]

@@paulsmyth3580 within the Hull boundary when my dad was in the police for 9 years and six months he always told me that not one murder occurred in his time as a copper .

[@mistylaw1940]

Lawless cops cannot be trusted with more power. Once they sort the rogue officers out. And get rid of the goons, then get back to us about stop and search.

[@paulfitzpatrick3090]

Fed up with people saying that we need to 'educate people not to carry knives '

[@run2cat4run]

When had educate people don’t work?

[@susanmills4843]

Send them to prison if found carrying a bladed implement.

[@SEPK09]

we can instant jail. There you go they'll get the education by that.:)

[@composedlight6850]

If you need extra education to not carry blades on the street, I wonder if you have the intelligence to cross the road.

[@United82]

@@susanmills4843who’s paying for that and when will the extra prisons be built?

[@keithdukes5990]

Facts & Statistics dont lie no matter how many times you try ignore the glaringly obvious Elephant in the room!!!🤔🤨🧐🙄😡

[@User_Name00]

But but but it's just skin colour!

[@user-jw8mn7oi7x]

Look at the history books. Which race invaded, brutalised, enslaved, raped, pillaged and colonised the vast majority of the nations of this earth? How about those facts and statistics?

[@andrewparkin4628]

them so called facts and stats and compiled by proven liers so how can we trust em

[@andyforbes5553]

Stop and search works, and that's all that matters. The saving of kid's lives is more important than peoples feelings.

[@ianreid]

Got to have the pigs on the streets instead of sat on computers looking for hurty words. Utter disgrace the police force of the UK. Along with border force bringing in these criminals

[@Kim-jt9wo]

If you've got nothing to hide then what's the problem?

[@wjf0ne]

@Kim-jt9wo Tell that to the police who close ranks when they do something wrong.

[@AngusKart]

the response of the true bootlicker. Whats the point of catching people with knives when real crimes are not being prosecuted?

[@patrickfarrell4751]

The problem is it is always the thin end of the wedge When they start doing this it will be 'oh well why don't we extend it to this...and this...and this' Before you know it they are walking in your front door because you parked a bit too far from the kerb! Authority ALWAYS TAKES IT TOO FAR!

[@desmondroberts6034]

@Kim-jt9wo The 'problem' is civil liberties, the Magna Carta, the English Civil War, the defeat of the Nazis in WWII you know? British people decided a long time ago that they do NOT want to live in a Police State.

[@patrickfarrell4751]

@@desmondroberts6034 Great response 👍👍

[@krishrajah]

Till the Khan’t is gone Police will not do stop and search!! Unless it’s on the indigenous people

[@diegolove173]

Bullshit ! When Boris was mayor he did fuck in fact knife crime was way worst under Boris

[@TheTruthInnit]

They should put some portals and check at everybody ,big small male ,female ,all if needed. But with prison space scarce ,what is going to happen ?

[@krishrajah]

@@TheTruthInnit that is coming soon! The day of that being the normal daily routine is fast approaching.

[@drhfuhruhurr4253]

It happens mostly in inner cities because they are the most diverse places. As the curse of diversity spreads, so will the crime.

[@brimkathstampex2306]

So true.

[@t28mcd]

Personally I would not object at all to being stopped and searched. Happy to cooperate with the police.

[@scousiered3124]

I'm a Civil Servant in a pretty senior role. I started my career as a lawyer, and worked for a decade in criminal investigation working with (and leading) the Police. I do not trust them an inch. If you think a stop and search is a calm, pleasant, unobtrusive experience then you are wrong. Watch the many videos of 'auditors' being searched. Police constantly over reach, are not accountable, have a supercilious attitude, and use smoke and mirror coercion to over step their powers. So many body cams go missing from stop and searches that lead to claims against the Police, and this is no coincidence. There is no accountability: an appalling example will realistically lead to a session where a Sarge tells them what they should have done. Compensation is given out frequently where there is third party video, but that is absorbed by insurance and so.... the tax payer. Lastly, by all accounts, from former Police, to their own assessment (where there is a percentage of illiterate Bobbies), to my own account, the Police today are poor examples. Lacking skills, knowledge character and intelligence (they lowered the tests to encompass lower IQs). If I am innocent, I want to involvement in my life with Police and should be able to not have interactions like this.

[@brendanmorrissey2104]

l've been stopped and searched several times over many years. Each time is because l walk to work ( l start work at 2:00 am ) and l look suspicious. l'm also white, so what? l was just glad to see the police doing their job. Each time the police where respectful and as l had nothing to hide, so what? l don't understand the problem " certain " people have with a policy of which might save the lives of our young people.

[@Awkward_migrant]

Not just willy nilly though, there must be reasonable cause.

[@GRAMDAVNO1]

Careful what you wish for,the current standard of policing in this country is at an all time low,we all know that police will abuse this as they abuse any law that is open enough for them to do so,for me the real solution to this knife crime is to make the punishment fit the crime and to stop this softly softly approach.

[@brumtownmiller6130]

Same! I’m a black man and I’m cool with it. Only for weapons tho, leave peoples weed alone lol

[@donopete1]

These families of victims may be begging for it to stop but up until then, they were probably crying racism when stop and search is suggested.

[@TheTruthInnit]

so many assumptions ...you should find out before posting.

[@brumtownmiller6130]

They were probably shouting the loudest!

[@desmondroberts6034]

@donopete1 What a disgusting comment, lets hope that you never lose a loved one to murder.

[@donopete1]

@TheTruthInnit I do not assume. I go by what I see. What do you see more of; people demanding anything and everything be done to stop the violence, or hordes of race baiters, screaming about supposed racism for police using stop and search? I simply cannot comprehend putting your poor little hurty feelings before the lives of others. Let's be real. These folk who complain about stop and search don't want to get caught with something or their ego prevents them from following rules/authority. That is why they kick off so often. They think it's below them to allow an officer to do his job and this is taught behaviour. If they hate being stopped, maybe the decent people should be more vocal in their condemnation of the ones that are the reason for the necessity of searches, instead of glamorising criminal behaviour.

[@donopete1]

@desmondroberts6034 do you believe in stop and search, Desmond? I was not suggesting any particular family would have been doing that but what I meant was there needs to be more support for it before these tragedies occur...of course families will demand these things if they lose a family member to knife crime but why are so many people putting hurt feelings from being searched over the prevention of young boys deaths?

[@julibeswick-valentine3690]

Seriously don't come here. You won't be given housing, a car and plenty of money for your pocket. Those days are over..

[@shaunpowell7513]

Don't let them in

[@user-cg4ws1wi8f]

Bit late innit

[@rogeralsop3479]

This man knows what he's talking about.

[@RichieRich1234RICH]

Sadly old school bobbies who actually know the law are rare.

[@johnnovak9402]

instead of employing police who use handbags get back to employing ex service men with balls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the met are the biggest gay club in the uk

[@louisedavies2229]

i agree with you and I'm a woman 👍

[@JustAlanJohn]

If a section of society is committing crimes they should be searched those who are trying to stop the searches are just as bad as those who are carrying knives enabling these crimes to carry on.

[@derthephoto2882]

They won't do that, it's too racist! Just look at the grooming gangs, we know the nationality but can't say it, nor prosecute them!!!!!

[@Dus1234]

Bring back stop and search, innocent no problem, carrying a knife 5 years inside

[@derthephoto2882]

No, don't lock them up - deport them!

[@krishrajah]

Did you see today’s news? They are releasing serious and high risk offenders because the prisons are overcrowded

[@jonathansimmons5353]

Can't. Jails at 99% capacity, and noone gets deported. Even forrin crims and illegals.

[@johnrice4191]

Is this cop mad, 20 to 30 coppers on the street nicked Tommy Robinson for having breakfast because a jew didn't want an Englishman in his own English city...

[@poppy1779]

Come on other former police officers, pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps and speak up.

[@shegs7717]

She tried for ages with different descriptions just to avoid saying blacks. Until people start standing up and saying it as it is, the problem won't go away!

[@user-jw8mn7oi7x]

The only person to ever pull a knife in my presence was white.

[@brumtownmiller6130]

In London it is but in places like Liverpool and Manchester it’s more white boys but they’re copying the black gang culture glamourised by American hip hop and uk drill music!

[@philm3509]

If I got stopped and searched I wouldn't be annoyed if I had nothing to hide. It takes about 5 mins so not a big hassle and I think it would make others feel safer who walk the streets knowing it can happen.

[@markford6154]

Why has there not been a prison building programme? Prisons need to act as deterrents, managed with strict regimes and should not be places to which one would ever wish to return. Sentences should also be of appropriate duration, again from the deterrent perspective.; there is a need to eradicate the rate of recidivism, when people are in and out of prison many times.

[@woody1456]

prisons are non profit making as are pensioners the disabled and the poor ! capitalists love a good return !

[@nicksmith2468]

I lived in West/North-West London most of my life and in 75-85 we was stopped every few weeks if not when walking at least every week driving yes i'm white in Shepherds Bush , what is the problem ?? Start stop & search again you won't carry a knife if there is a risk of being searched ( 7 years for knifes )

[@tomaskrantz7114]

A new law on stop and search zones comes into effect on Thursday, giving police more powers to conduct body searches in certain areas. The Swedish government argues that new methods need to be tried in the fight against gang crime.

[@thishastobeunique1]

Government investing £3.5m in blade detection.... and billions on giving those that use them lives of luxury in our country.

[@gavinbissell8847]

They need to stop this silly idea of hiring from the community for representation. The police used to make sure recruits weren't from the community so there wasn't bias or danger to their families

[@soosoobear]

Stop and search , playing the race card is sickening. If you are innocent why make such a fuss

[@desfinnegan7086]

its all talk nothing is going to be done , For a proper law and order 20 jails need to be built

[@Jimmiburn]

A year for every inch! 🇬🇧

[@emmsue1053]

Did you mean millimetres?

[@susanbishop5228]

Stop and search. Immediately causes crowds to gather False complaints Career ending.

[@AndyShenton-rh4zp]

More police , more stop and search , but nothing will get done

[@stephenashford9006]

I know what some will say but if you’ve got nothing to hide it shouldn’t be a problem

[@robertbate5790]

Keep banging the drum BOOTS ON THE GROUND.

[@64SGH]

Thirty years ago it was normal to carry a pocket knife and knife crime was rare, what happened?

[@davex2614]

I hope that the people who are against stop and search become victims themselves.

[@Andrew-fq6gm]

Young black men generally from broken homes

[@shuddupeyaface]

Children are dying and nobody wants to acknowledge it. It's so Fckin sad.

[@johndutton9739]

The point of govt and the police is to keep us safe. If this entails stop and search annoying a few hundred or even thousand people so be it. If not we will ALL be tagged and surveilled every second of every day. And I don’t want that.

[@ashleycarolan1955]

so more people found without knives but arrested for easy drug offences, yet again you can't sentence people to a full prison, too many people in prison for pointless cannabis offences

[@sprsmoke]

I really doubt many people are in prison for smoking weed.

[@stobeszx9674]

Cannabis is an illegal drug, arrests and conviction are not pointless....your comment is crass.

[@ashleycarolan1955]

@@stobeszx9674 I think it's pretty pointless to lock someone up for using something that hasn't killed anyone, and please, like we haven't had/ got any pointless laws, Humza Yousaf's hate crime bill comes to mind

[@user-tz9wk2rj2d]

@@ashleycarolan1955 No one goes to jail for consuming drugs in the UK unless there have been previous offences. The people going to jail are dealers who get caught with large amounts. I know a few people who have been caught growing weed in their house and have been given suspended sentences.

[@neilcampbell60]

Imagine the drop on stabbings in London if M.V Windrush had sunk enroute to U.K.

[@J2897Tutorials]

I'm white and we used to get searched all the time in Manchester during my teenage age years, especially after dark, when we were out mooching. We didn't complain because we knew they wouldn't find weapons or equipment on us due to our understanding of the law and our techniques that have evolved and been passed down throughout the generations. The police were usually quite nice too, because we didn't behave like the obnoxious and entitled immigrants and lefties on KZbin. So the whole interaction was over within a few minutes.

[@user-sw2lv3zp6o]

Who gives a damn if it's 'discriminatory'?

[@juilacowling4491]

The police wont stop and search their to frightend

[@jasonobrien1989]

The Local Communities maon and protest when the Police do stop and search but then when the Police Stop and Knife Crime goes through the roof then they moan and protest saying the Police don't care and don't do enough. Easier for the police to leave them to it.

[@carlowingfield7743]

Until this affects MP's this will just get worse .

[@Manc-fh5we]

Obviously. The one’s most likely to be carrying knives don’t want to be stopped and searched!! Ffs. This country is a sick joke!!

[@hear.no.evil.]

I have no problem being stopped and searched. It's for the protection of the community nothing more.

[@MrTangolizard]

As a 49 year old why shouldn’t I be able to carry a multi-tool with a blade on it because some teenagers in London can’t be trusted

[@danielrawlings8355]

All the London CCTV doesn't stop or prevent knife crime? I am surprised. Just a recording of it happening.

[@xjrfan]

The particular look carry out the knife crimes, stop protecting them

[@user-jw8mn7oi7x]

Did you see the white guy running around with a sword on the news last week?

[@MrMarshy123456]

Im a white male grew up in the mid 2000's in manchester, the amount of times we got stop and searched because we fit the narrative was insane but we didnt mind as we wasn't doing anything wrong, today youths are riding around on bikes with balaclavas on and its fine but growing up we couldnt do that or we had a police car pull up next to us ordering us to remove them ( friend brought one out for a joke it lasted ten mins before he was ordered to remove it by the police ) today its rife and normal, this is nothing to do with race its about the police getting there backbone back and the lack of respect from todays youths as they know the police wont or cant do anything to stop them as they havent commited a crime !

[@markwarren1803]

See the weakness has paid off stop the stop and search encourage the issue well done again clever thinking from our intelligent government and ministers

[@ftwizard]

Is that five inside the prison that is already so overcrowded that they are releasing crims early.....

[@nickw8071]

The mums that wants the knife crime to be reduced are the cause of such culture, attitude and actions. Worldwide, same story.

[@Awkward_migrant]

The people who are stop searched are 90% exactly the right ones who are involved in crime almost at any given time. A negative search does not mean the person is innocent, it just means the police haven't found any evidence in that instant of time

[@Embongo]

Build more prisons instead of sending 4billion a year to Ukraine All the problems in this country can be sorted if we had the right people in government

[@darrens6558]

Courts need to stop letting them walking out of court with a slap on the hand we need to send a message actions have consequences

[@philburman3233]

So they will increase again, but it won't be the community that needs it!!

[@Permissiontospk]

They talk of 5 years but there’s no prison places. So build remand centres. And surely, even a fine or 6 months prison would be a deterrent than nothing and a fine for their families, if they’re underage. Parents get fined for not taking children to school- but not for letting them carry knives or join gangs.

[@desmondroberts6034]

In all these discussions, they never mention a word about the on-going murder enquiries and the clea-up rates for such cases. Perhaps stop and search is really a cost-saving measure as its cheaper than vigorous murder enquiries.

[@davidbrown2571]

5 years for anyone carrying a knife.

[@marnew1000]

Agreed, however the prisons are full, that’s why there’s no deterrent..

[@darrens6558]

Why would you be annoyed if your been stop and searched if you let them do there job it's done in 10 mins

[@goodluck-mx4qr]

Getting out of hand these cowards think they are big men carrying knives, how about if you are caught with one and have nothing to do with work then you get 5 years inside. Better still tell parents your kid is caught with a knife then you are going away for 5 years. People have to take responsibility for their kids, I remember at high school in 1972 the kid said watch this, he phoned this Social worker and said I feel like causing trouble, this young woman turns up and gives him £2 to go to the pictures, if I was ever to bring the police to the door my dad would have killed me for shaming my mother having the police at the house.

[@user-qf9il9rj8i]

How much knife gun crime is down to assailants from all over the world that have been allowed here since 1947 against the wishes of the native population?

[@paddymeboy]

I think it's true, what cops are doing is playing the percentages - like they'll also target certain kinds of car, not having any idea who is in them.

[@cayminlast]

The underlying issues behind youth violence need to be addressed. The government has pathetically failed in this regard, communities, parents and role models are hampered by overbearing government dictates and suffocating mandates, there are zero incentives, only festering division and distrust.

[@jemgeach4066]

When I was growing up, I was told that knives were for foreigners: an Englishman used his fists.

[@muratcelali]

independent podium accusation

[@kerrymcgeachy3571]

Stop paying your council tax tell they put things right and let the police do there jobs

[@jo-9432]

Is anything London major can do on this situation on London?

[@Simonsimon-fy3hq]

Sadiq Khan will do nothing, He has said that living with terror attacks is 'part and parcel of living in a big city',so knife crimes are a very low priority for him. Of course he travels with bodyguards in an armoured Range Rover, so I doubt he'll ever see anyone carrying a knife.

[@user-of7yy2vk2w]

I carry.. to protect myself if I get searched which is extremely unlikely.. I'd rather stay alive and take the risk

[@Madonnalitta1]

Me too, I was attacked when I was 18. I won't go into details, but I owe my life to two men who heard me scream. I have carried since then, and I always will. Hopefully Coppers will understand, and if not, then I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

[@mattschultzy671]

What should really outrage people is that, as the police and the CPS abandon the people, it is also illegal for the people to carry ANYTHING that they might reasonably use to defend themselves. No pepper spray, no stun guns, nothing more injurious than a strongly worded letter is permitted for the law abiding citizen. And you better bet that, if a normal Brit gets caught with pepper spray, they would be the one to actually gets prosecuted!

[@lynnehamer239]

Stop and search is must

[@Awkward_migrant]

People ought to have the right to self defence though otherwise we are all just victims-in-waiting. Banning of knuckledusters and pava spray, for instance, is going too far

[@danielspillett5393]

it made the news because for a change the attacker with a blade was white

[@bcoxal]

The UK needs common sense knife control. There are more knives than people in the UK.

[@JC-nk5vo]

When we had stop and search the knife crime was down.. fact!

[@articfox1066]

No, it's all about education.

[@user-ei3sm1dc7v]

Paul in places in Pakistan cousins marry first cousins as well as child brides , a child born in these circumstances have a 4 in 1 chance of mental illness , yet if a girl doesn't want to get married to an older cousin, setting her on fire is hounarable. Disgusting and disgusting behaviour.

[@petersmith5915]

Instant fines then let people on their way, might even help officers get some rapport with members of difficult communities, threat of arrest causes too many big escalations n too much time consumed for officers, the money raised should go direct to paying for more officers for the area, more fines more officers n as things improved police presence could gradually reduce again if the system could be flexible n able to hire n fire accordingly imo.

[@sh.4409]

It doesn't in the English community and that's all that should matter in England!

[@ibtisamhtewek3407]

they have to have knives control not Gun control

[@glenncrathern1257]

Will there be enough room in the prisons?-

[@allandickman774]

Great question because there isnt😮

[@rjw4762]

No....which is why some 10 years ago I said that the money for HS2 should be going to the Criminal Justice System.

[@scousiered3124]

I do not commit crimes, and so do not want interactions with the Police like this. This should be the right of innocent people. I want a 'articulable suspicion' like the US. The figures clearly show that the majority of these intrusive, privacy/impinging events are on innocent people. I'm a Civil Servant in a pretty senior role. I started my career as a lawyer, and worked for a decade in criminal investigation working with (and leading) the Police. I do not trust them an inch. If you think a stop and search is a calm, pleasant, unobtrusive experience then you are wrong. Watch the many videos of 'auditors' being searched. Police constantly over reach, are not accountable, have a supercilious attitude, and use smoke and mirror coercion to over step their powers. So many body cams go missing from stop and searches that lead to claims against the Police, and this is no coincidence. There is no accountability: an appalling example will realistically lead to a session where a Sarge tells them what they should have done. Compensation is given out frequently where there is third party video, but that is absorbed by insurance and so.... the tax payer. Lastly, by all accounts, from former Police, to their own assessment (where there is a percentage of illiterate Bobbies), to my own account, the Police today are poor examples. Lacking skills, knowledge character and intelligence (they lowered the tests to encompass lower IQs). If I am innocent, I want to involvement in my life with Police and should be able to not have interactions like this.

[@williamwilliams3358]

As a senior civil servant I would have expected you to have a more intelligent attitude towards knife crime deterrents.

[@Alan-75]

​​@@williamwilliams3358he said he's a civil servant and started as a lawyer and HE is saying he doesn't trust the police.. hahaha lawyers are just as useless as the police and the justice system and are in fact part of the problem. I have no problem with stop and search at all, if you ain't carrying what's the problem.

[@rogertempleman-ed2xv]

If your home is burgled or your car is stolen or Wife or family attacked who do you phone THE POLICE you pr--k

[@Hermansthehat]

There's a man going around taking names

[@jamesavery2]

Its about time these heinous crimes were reported on national media , and in graphic detail . Enough pussy footing .Let the people know the truth ,for a change .

[@edwardrowland1853]

Black knives matter!

[@articfox1066]

Nobody wins.

[@David62903]

Heinous not henous.

[@mchaplin66]

khan protects his own crooks

[@user-um8tx1dd6i]

😮

[@wecandothiswarriors]

Julia looking deranged as usual

[@harrypalmer7169]

Da is no uw da is init. Booooomshakala.

[@davidheath3827]

Stop poverty to reduce crime...

[@smellynelly312]

It’s not an excuse

[@sueharrison9392]

It does not matter what colour your skin you have blood running through your vains, and you have a heart beating, but brains seem to be broken in some people stop using knives

[@brimkathstampex2306]

What's a 'riffing' stabbing?? Where is Hey Not? People injured cleaning police officers???? What's a police tour?? What's broth? That or buy apparently means grasp the nettle. Causes mysteriously becomes courses. Nutters becomes not as. Who's responsible for typing/writing this absurd drivel? Anybody know?

[@carltontweedle5724]

How about stop tories and see if they have fingers in Russian pies, sorry money.

[@user-cc3yc9ni3p]

ITS. A. FREE. COUNTRY

[@MHLivestreams]

In the 70s and 80s all lads had knives, and I don't ever remember an issue with it. So it's a behavioural thing, nothing else. it's a tradition as far as I'm concerned, and in fact a right.

[@Alan-75]

Bullshit.

[@twistedsister2568]

@@Alan-75it’s not bullshit at all

[@petersmith5915]

I think mandatory 5 yr sentences inconsistently enforced is impractical, n its not working, i think a fining system could work better, with jail sentences for repeated offences n also if the police have good reason to believe the person in question could be a domino effect person, the kind of thug who is causing fear for everyone else n is a time bomb imo.

[@user-cc3yc9ni3p]

POLICE. CARRY. WEAPONS. ????

[@Madonnalitta1]

Hardly, this is the UK. They get a damn stick. 🙄

[@Simonsimon-fy3hq]

@@Madonnalitta1 Some specialist police officers do carry weapons. Most are afraid to use them as they get no support from their senior officers if they are forced to shoot a criminal.