CAUTION WAKE TURBULENCE!! A380s Battle Each Other

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A380s Battling Wake Turbulence departing LAX!!

[@richardgelber2740]

The risks of wake turbulence have been understood for a long time, but it's fairly rare to see it demonstrated on a recording so clearly. Even though I'm pretty sure the trailing A-380 (in the second example) was never in any actual danger, I hope the airlines and regulators see this and think about whether their spacing protocols might need to be changed a bit. ... and it's probably only because of LA Flights' emphasis on heavy jets that we get to see this at all (I saw it on the live stream yesterday).

[@mcpr5971]

Those pilots were just getting their "moments of abject terror" out of the way early so they can cruise to Asia with 15 hour of boredom. Seriously though I'd like to have Kelsey weigh in on that, because that abrupt wing drop looked kind of concerning. Right on takeoff they're flying low and slow, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was a serious incident, but obv I'll wait for the experts to discuss it.

[@dexon777]

Never in actual danger? Dude did you watch the video?

[@richardgelber2740]

@@dexon777 If you read my remarks more carefully you'd notice that I said I saw the live stream yesterday. I'm not a pilot, but I do know a few things about optics and long-range photography and I can state that the perspective in a shot like that can be very deceptive. If an actual heavy-jet pilot has something to say about the apparent wake turbulence I'd be very interested. Other than that, I'll stand by what I said, which is just opinion in any event.

[@JohnSmith-zi9or]

Not to burst your bubble but the FAA just did a Wake Turbulence Re-categorisation, that is the decreasing of the safety space between aircraft.

[@richardgelber2740]

"Decreasing ... the safety space...." would mean they can now fly closer to each other than previously. Is that really what you meant to say?

[@the_bloke_that_cuts_the_grass]

Incredible footage showing how powerful the wake turbulence is even for an equally large aircraft👍

[@cardenfoy]

I thought the Asiana was trying to do a right bank and was like why are they turning right?

[@styxfan4022]

That had to be a butt puckering moment for everyone on that last plane.

[@Tammyperry1]

LOL! Interesting comment

[@muhammedareeb9821]

Have been studying and researching on airplanes & aviation since i was a little boy. But i have never seen an A380 being affected by the wake turbulence of another A380!!🤯🤯 This was truly fascinating! Thank you for such content🙏🏻

[@komet5420]

These planes are absolutely massive! It's so sad they don't make them anymore ...

[@skittles5347]

I would suggest the FAA reconsider the timing and spacing requirements of back-to-back supers taking off and trailing like that.

[@DerekWiedenheft]

For real

[@fromtheflightdeck252]

FAA went woke, they're already broke

[@jaydrose6292]

No joke. That's some serious turbulence -- they should be distanced much more

[@robadzso]

Time is money. Business as usual. Gotta *push them off the tarmac not more than 2 minutes* after each other, rrright... until some smaller craft hits a tower, chimney or something or just comes straight down. 🎉

[@donfisher8035]

Yep. Plain in sight.

[@johansvahn3798]

The few minutes with Korean, Asiana and Lufthansa was Dreamlifter + Singapore A380 quality material. Fabulous work Peter and Joshua!

[@mycastlelife6469]

After watching an episode of Mayday, I think this captures the amazing power of airplane wakes. I’m sure we all can agree to have the planes spaced out just a few minutes to avoid an unnecessary accident. Amazing footage LA Flights!

[@unatrek2821]

By definition unless a plane crashes then wake turbulence is within safe limits. Do we replace our tires the first sign of wear and thinning? Flying is so safe increased safety adds cost and pushes more poor into their cars. There was famous example of FAA saying strapping babies in own seat was safer than mom holding her, but then quarter of 1m moms would choose to drive to not pay extra $300 for ticket for baby, and this leads to more dead babies like 200 over decade in car accidents than ever saved by being saved by not being secure on flight maybe 1..... Just saying "more safety" is simplistic, why not mandate 10 minute plane separation just build more airports...... People including me should leave it to experts...

[@bmolitor615]

that second turbulence is a little intense for such a behemoth.... but what a great set of quad jets - thank you!

[@FRODOGOOFBALL]

My heart almost skipped a beat at 7:12 - 7:17

[@trk3707]

two Supers giving WAKE TURBULENCE to each other and Pilots doing an amazing job!!

[@Whowhatwherewhy]

Had to watch many times. Passengers must've been thrilled.

[@tomchidwick]

You guys! That was insane! And that you were there to capture all of that. Great job - loved this!

[@E_Don]

7:16 must've been a fun little rollercoaster ride in the back row. 🤣

[@katrinajones8788]

Yikes! That Asiana wake encounter was scary and had to be very unsettling to the passengers. Perhaps they should have spaced them out more.

[@ben_angel]

​@@Dana_at_LAXhow do you know that?

[@gilessb]

That footage at 7:00 is insane - I wonder if there will be a report on that incident. Anyway, fantastic capture Peter and Josh

[@katrinajones8788]

Most likely there will because that was a very intense wake encounter that required lots of corrections from the pilots.

[@TomG1555]

@@katrinajones8788 I get that things happen, but as a passenger I'd be pretty unhappy and worried after getting buffeted around like that (and more importantly, that close to the ground where there isn't a ton of altitude yet if something actually serious does happen).

[@samkass9039]

It looks to me like they over-compensated for what they thought would be a roll to the left, and instead created their own roll to the right around 7:08, which they had to correct. The plane was never remotely close to anything dangerous, but yeah, nervous flyers probably weren't happy with that departure.

[@katrinajones8788]

@@TomG1555 Very much agree.

[@Porsche4life]

@@samkass9039 the roll to the right was probably to get out of the wake turbulence as fast as possible

[@bobandal]

Geez the A380s are back alright. I flew in one of them (British Airways) a few months ago, was an awesome experience!

[@thedownwardmachine]

Wow I thought the title was clickbait until I saw that second Asiana get it. What a ride, you guys did a great job capturing it, thanks for your diligence and hard work!

[@user-mx9md5so8b]

Geez that turbulance at 6:58. Play the video at 2x speed and you can see the drop in comparison to the lamppost.

[@Bobtb]

I love the A380, best flight experience ever. I hope they stay in service for many many more years to come.

[@SadSad-de2cy]

Et c'est Français monsieur ! 😁

[@robadzso]

​@@SadSad-de2cy ...and English, Spanish etc., Sir... 🎉

[@allanoluko2390]

Their last order happened in 2021 but they have 15 to 20 more years for them to have a retirement

[@manila-89-93]

@@SadSad-de2cy C'est un consortium Européen

[@SadSad-de2cy]

@@manila-89-93 je sais mais aucun intérêt de le préciser ici. La plupart ne comprennent rien.

[@The91Bravo]

I’m really glad that during the last wake turbulence, you had the utility pole as a reference for scale. The 380 actually dropped altitude a few times and you could see it quite clearly.

[@MeppyMan]

I fully expected to watch it and come back and explain it’s likely parallax error, diffraction, etc. that might explain some of it, but they definitely got tossed around and looks like they lost some lift for a bit. Not sure if they dropped, even a decrease in lift will look like a drop from that angle and distance.

[@tomtalker2000]

I don't understand why they have these super jumbos taking off so close too each other. Their should be some time between each take off too prevent such turbulence. For example, the first two A380's were EXTREMELY close too each other while both in take off flight. I don't know if that's an LAX thing but we don't operate like that here in Boston Logan.

[@jamesdean9957]

Because it’s La

[@saucyspaghett8165]

I guess its LA and also a big aircraft vs the same one with big controls over its wings... If theres obvious differences between size then its too dangerous

[@EstorilEm]

Their timing is specifically designed based on aircraft creating the wake and ones following, and all controllers follow extremely strict guidelines on this - it can be close with A380s because the wake impact is relative to the size of the aircraft flying INTO it. Even a massive A380s wake turbulence isn’t a big deal to another A380.

[@someguysomewhere6988]

@@EstorilEm this is wrong. Please don't spread wrong information.

[@muhamadfadzlyshaharani5787]

Among the reason: LA was busy as always and the only plane that can withstand a380 wake are the a380 itself. With back2back A380 departure, it save time and money cause they didn't have to wait after one flying. You see, if they put a smaller aircraft after an a380, there's like a 3-5 minutes buffers time before they can takeoff. With every time airlines on the ground, it cost airlines and airport Millions. You can just read Skybrary A380 wake vortex guidance.

[@johngraisa5952]

Great video Joshua as always. The 2nd pair of quad jets were intense. Way to go LA Flights

[@r12004rewy]

Great shot seeing the 2 380s climbing, reminds me of the final landings of Concorde at London Heathrow, tv cameras picked up 2 Concorde's in the same shot, it was a sight that had never been seen before.

[@katrinajones8788]

Pilots can ask for more time if they believe it's unsafe to take off. I've heard pilots tell an ATC they'd rather wait, especially after an A380/747 has departed. If I were piloting either of these planes, I would have asked for an extra minute or so to give the wake some time to calm down.

[@pksmith1275]

I agree!!

[@robadzso]

Well. If I was pilot, I'd *absolutely expect* ATC to keep things safe regarding separation *at all times, without asking* so all I can say, this is shifting blame to the pilots and obviously a little too lousy on part of the ATC... I see a bias here to keep ATC not responsible. Who else is then? 🎉

[@TabbyTank]

@@robadzso I agree.

[@Carl-LaFong1618]

@@pksmith1275 "You gotta keep em seperated" Should of played that song during the turbulence.

[@pom791]

@@robadzso Yet you cant expect to always give into others judgement in any industry, if your gut instinct tells you something sounds unreasonable or unsafe. Pilots can and should push back if the situation calls for it, they are trained to do so not just there to push buttons. Complacency goes both ways.

[@AviationLoverIndonesia]

A380 got a wake turbulence by another A380 💀🗿

[@lio_k]

Perhaps not a good idea to have back to back A380 taking off? Either way , great video as always

[@joeljustin]

Even worse idea would be a narrowbody aircraft taking off immediately after the super.

[@coltontheisen01]

@Blue looks like they had enough spacing only need the first one to be 4 miles away before the 2nd starts departure roll and 90 seconds with a plane as powerful as an a380 should roughly get it done

[@googleknowsus8184]

@@joeljustin I came in to LHR after a 777 (cockpit view as an ACM) and they did not space us well Boy oh boy. Our little 320 fought all the way down.

[@BigWhoopZH]

I agree, better put a 737 Max between them 😈

[@Grumpzzz]

I think it’s more dangerous to let a smaller plane after those 380/747?

[@Karmahandle]

Totally the highlight of that day's live plane spotting. Only on LA Flights!

[@3MinutesofAviation]

Stunning capture! May I feature this wake turbulence encounter in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. Cheers!

[@L.A.FLIGHTS]

Yeah absolutely go ahead. We have a whole bunch of crazy highlights you might be interested in. Dm on instagram if you like👍

[@3MinutesofAviation]

@@L.A.FLIGHTS Thanks! I‘ll have a look at your other content as well 👍

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

Really like that you checked in before reproducing footage! That kind of courtesy between content creators is great to see.... SO much aggregation & plain ol' uncredited copying goes on in YT space unfortunately, & creators often seem to think that if they're adding something (voice over, commentary, etc) then they don't need to ask originsl posters, and/or don't even need to credit them? 😐 I always really appreciate it when I find a channel that does go the extra mile & that cites its sources properly. Kudos to both the original creators & you! 😘

[@renjeonah]

That is insanely cool! I've always wondered how these two airlines battle it out in the sky since they usually always have depart in short intervals. And to actually shoot to huge planes - amazing! Thanks for this video!

[@linedanzer4302]

Guys your energy is infectious! *Love L.A. Flights!!*

[@RS-oy7uh]

This video today shows why the "brothers" are #1 !!!

[@koozjr]

My heart dropped at 7:14.

[@joesimonetti]

I am surprised right after they pulled up the gear that the pilot just didn't veer out of the flight takeoff path that the previous heavy used just to ensure they didn't run into wake turbulence and make the flight correction once they had more sufficient altitude...the pilot had to have been expecting it.

[@koozjr]

Right! Part of me wonders if the sharp turn we saw was actually the pilot steering out of the way of the wake turbulence. We didn’t really see an equally sharp maneuver back onto the departure heading.

[@goldengirl54]

That pilot was probably cussing the ATC out. Dang! 😮

[@Victwe1]

Pov: You're walking the Hallways at your School

[@taucetus3657]

In 2001 wake turbulence killed several hundred people on an AA Airbus 300 flight 587 and i thought the need for wake turbulence separation is to avoid similar accident from happening again. But here we are in 2023 watching some huge birds dangling and dancing in the air. It seems FAA controllers did not learn from flight 587

[@NerdX151]

587 did not crash due to wake turbulence. It crashed because the FO violently pushed the rudder from side to side until it snapped. They did learn from it, as training manuals no longer encourage pilots to mess with the rudder to overcome the wake turbulence. As it can be seen in the video, the pilots are doing just fine by adjusting the bank angle.

[@mgarar]

Korean was like: Revenge is a dish best served cold!!! 😈

[@nickid5889]

You guys got some AWESOME footage right there!!! I’d have been beside myself if I was on it though!!! I didn’t even think that was a thing!!

[@aarongoeke]

Still amazed by that action right place right only LA FLIGHTS can do that.

[@annwilson9446]

I love all this action!! Great job LA Flights ❤❤❤

[@jet4926]

Can you imagine if a smaller Aircraft go thru those wakes.

[@cuckoonut1208]

Better it remains in the imagination.

[@jet4926]

@@cuckoonut1208 You are right..

[@canadianaviator]

Imagine a lightly loaded crj 200

[@lucaas]

Awesome catch! Would you be okay with me featuring this in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description. Thanks!

[@CaptainJLPicard]

At 7:12, in the fraction of a second before the roll+yaw sequence begins, you see upward deflection on the right aileron and the right spoilers. They must have been fighting a significant left roll with these inputs, and the turbulence drastically and quickly reversed - meaning the inputs went from being productive to exacerbating the wake turbulence forces leading to the right wing dropping so much.

[@googleknowsus8184]

You are Right I think.

[@LanesAviationYT]

That almost gave me a heart attack, I had thought they where stalling there for a second…

[@senorgato70]

My heart…..

[@noahman27]

How many miles ahead is the first plane from the second plane?

[@marysherron2172]

That’s too scary.😬They need to space the flights more.

[@tyronedowns6140]

Wow, that was incredible! Two Flying Whales going at each other! 😂 The tower should had Asiana waited for 3 to 5 minutes on 24L. Wake turbulence ain't no joke that's for sure but impressive fellas great catch! 🛫🛫

[@theonearmwolf4956]

flights in and out in seconds at LAX. They got no time :(

[@markaguirre4753]

Amazing footage!! Great work fellas!

[@waynee6042]

Amazing. And I love the passion that you guys show. Keep up the good work

[@krist6074]

Amazing footage!!! Incredible how strong that wake turbulence is!!! Thanks for sharing!!!

[@toddkvamme]

I flew out of LAX in SW 737 the other day and we hit a wake. Not a huge thing, but it was pretty rapid 20 degree bank that was quickly recovered.

[@seeshel63]

Great job capruting these2 events of Supers in wake turbulence! I didnt the big ones would feel it; Amazeballs!!

[@stanwill]

Very Cool seeing them both takeoff like that.

[@usarmy3111]

That was a good catch on that wake turbulence guys!

[@user-uz3ex1th7k]

As you know, the time difference between those two arriving in Korea is only within 10 minutes. It is impressive to see a Korean Air pilot rolling-take-off from Korea to match the arrival time of Asiana Thank you for the great video

[@maxthecat14]

Thanks guys, I love to watch the big planes .

[@geraldynramojal4312]

2:15 Korean Air KE18 Wake Turbulence 6:55 Asiana Airlines OZ201 Wake Turbulence

[@andrewkim_47]

What was the third asiana flight #

[@auntysocialist]

There's a good clip of a light a/c departure from Oshkosh behind a heavy, resulting in a crash. Wakes toss light planes around like a leaf.

[@xbaldwin97]

Still crazy how the wind can blow these planes around like paper

[@dougiehamilton2622]

The wind ?

[@mojo6744]

Omfg this is one of the best videos ive watched in a while

[@Mr.Barthy]

Was worth to watch till the end. amazing wake turbulance. Great capture guys. Conclusion: never take off after Heavy ;)

[@smab-ez9he]

incredible video, definitely one for the ages.

[@CARTER.J]

Why are they letting them take off that close to each other ?!? The international airport near me, makes them use alternate perpendicular runways if the take off time is that close to each other.

[@joojoobeebee]

Saw that one live too, it was crazy.

[@csunil9963]

That wake turbulence looked scary (especially for the Asiana super jumbo); good to see all the big heavys in one frame (well almost!!)

[@jskim8418]

Funny both Korean A380s taking off back to back

[@chrisc.9627]

A380 is a wonderful machine to fly! Personally, I feel the computer righting the plane in a good position, but gently in order to remain comfortable and not to frighten the passengers. It is still acclaimed all around the globe for its unique quiet, relaxing, spacious travel experience (the straight exterior wall, maybe) My favorite plane!

[@umarmalik117]

I love 💖 Canada

[@silentservant_]

That Asiana actually lost altitude it was dropping quick for a moment that’s why it made that quick right turn to get out of the vortex. For passengers it was definitely a very frightening experience I imagine because you do feel like you’re falling straight down for that moment, happened to me a few years back in Chicago

[@lancomedic]

They should use this video for training. Just think what that wake would do to a light single engine airplane.

[@UKAviationMovies]

This is WILD! Thanks a lot for posting guys 😎

[@SMXSpotterJoshua]

They were giving the brothers from Apple Valley a goodbye wave 👋 ❤❤and to all of LA Flights

[@dean7045]

THANK YOU FOR A VERY ENTERTAINING VIDEO. MY WARMEST REGARDS FROM DEAN IN AUSTRALIA.

[@Greebstreebling]

this just confirms to me that we have lost our sense of reality, of what's good for our wellbeing, and what sustains us.

[@AviationFin]

Nice 👍 Thanks for sharing Greetings from Helsinki ❄️ Finland

[@joyvelleenerlan2996]

Nice capture!! Thank you for sharing!👍🏽

[@lolaesther]

I hope tower saw the 2 streams with the 380 wake turbulence. They’ll have to give a little more time between departures

[@burnn3]

I fly the 747 and there have been stories from coworkers where they've been in a 30+ degree bank to the right with the yoke fully deflected to the left during bad wake turbulence. It's nuts.

[@ashlabogan7084]

I understand departure procedures etc, but in this case, would it have been better for the trailing AC to fly say several degrees to the left. I mean would it not eventually be going through wake turbulence periodically seen as that it is behind the other AC ??

[@SpaceGhostLeni]

Jesus Christ my heart skipped a beat watching the Asiana roll like that. I wonder what it felt like for the passengers!

[@SAGUARO215]

Looks like Korean air having a wake turbulence party. Great videos as always .

[@lunap6343]

Why didn't the ATC give more time for the Asiana A380?

[@IlTjaylI]

Never thought an a380 would ever experience wake turbulence 💀

[@normacascio9041]

One Queen and two Kibgs .

[@SwirkH]

Wake turbulence is no joke. Such turbulence from A380 nearly crashed a small private jet over Indian Ocean a couple years ago. And that was on cruise altitude.

[@katrinajones8788]

Yep. The plane rolled over several times in midair. Thankfully, it landed safety but the plane was a complete write off due to the damage and some of the passengers suffered broken ribs and head injuries.

[@JonnyHeather]

That was absolutely incredible!!! amazing catch

[@MartinPiper6502]

That is crazy. They really should consider increasing the separation behind those larger aircraft.

[@kiwidiesel]

That was awesome seeing those spoilers deployed for such a long period with no associated roll.

[@vostermiyemba4567]

Incredible. What Camera did you use? Quite powerful.

[@PacTheOne]

That classic oldschool Lufthansa Logo. Omg

[@onflightsim32]

A little background information by an ATC Trainee: there are several values how long we have to wait between departures of certain pairs: - e.g. Cessna 172 behind A380: 8NM/3 minutes - B747 behind A380: 6NM/2 minutes However, between two succeeding A380s no value is prescribed. To be honest, we don‘t understand why…

[@silentservant_]

There is info on the Chicago Training Department channel that concludes it should be 3 minutes. It’s based from some studies

[@silentservant_]

Judging from comments I think this is an unknown phenomenon between two Supers that wasn’t expected perhaps

[@chrishb7074]

Didn’t expect to see an A380 being pushed around in wake turbulence ! If taxiways need to be cleared for super wingspans and separation increased for wake turbulence, doesn’t that mean the total number of passengers getting though the airport is fewer when these big beasts are around, despite their greater capacity ? If I was a bizjet there, I’d think twice before taking off anytime soon behind them.

[@jonathanchester5916]

Awesome job guys

[@HEMI-MOMMA]

I was a Northwest Airlines Flight Attendant finishing up in the back galley of a B-757 when we hit the wake of a B747-400 going into L.A. I thought I was inside of a spin cycle! 🤮 Those stretch B757's can really get crazy in the tail section!

[@sushi777300]

Outstanding footage

[@brocanova]

Man, that must have been some joy ride

[@f18freak78]

I am stunned ATC allows this. Those Asiana pax must have been crapping themselves, unbelievable.

[@Jmjbs]

Everything about this is entirely legal and efficient from an ATC standpoint. Wake turbulence avoidance beyond that is the pilot's responsibility.

[@PragueImport]

@@Jmjbs How can pilots avoid wake turbulence during a take-off? Please educate me.

[@katrinajones8788]

@@PragueImport Pilots can fly above wake turbulence to avoid it. I've seen this a lot, especially with smaller aircraft taking off after a larger one.

[@ymml467]

@@katrinajones8788 On a takeoff profile while heavily loaded you can't just slow down and climb above an invisible wake turbulence..and that is what they would have to do, slow down to climb faster and above.....the only way to safely avoid it is sit on the runway and wait just like a smaller aircraft is instructed when following a larger aircraft.

[@katrinajones8788]

@@ymml467 When pilots take off close behind another aircraft, the plane needs to climb at an angle that places it above the flight path of the proceeding aircraft to avoid the wake, being that wake turbulence sinks. They can't see the wake turbulence, but they can see the aircraft in front of them (just like the Asiana could see Korean in front of it). Yes, the best way is to just wait, but if pilots decide not to, then they need to take steps to avoid the wake during climb out to avoid a possible upset.

[@knblutz]

Great photography !!! Used to watch from the Marriott all the time on layovers …if crew could get a room on runway side Kris Yyc

[@HuckThis1971]

I must add that I have seen pictures of a Challenger 604 experience wake turbulence from an A380 at 1000 feet from each other. Pretty wild. Pilot told owner they are still alive because of the flying tank!😉

[@silkEluv]

These guys crack me up! I wish I could be there.

[@Dhanasarpaul]

🇹🇹 the beauty in the sky 🎉❤

[@hellodiamond]

The moment the aircraft rocked, both pilots and passengers would panic. scary😱

[@Ronald-ks2iy]

I experienced wake turbulence once leaving Toronto, we were in a British Airways 777, took off right behind an Air India 777 it was quite the scare!

[@davidduganne5939]

Amazing footage guys!

[@kennethhacker3014]

Its amazing that these craft fly thru the air...lol.. great presentation

[@fared___3409]

That gap between korean super and lufthansa747 is so intense. I gotta goosebump to see it so close together.

[@darkpiano5274]

If that was a smaller aircraft, it could’ve been worse 😮

[@jeffe_77]

Great job capturing that. Wow😮