Retired Lieutenant General Steve Lucas on the F-35 (2012) - the fifth estate

[@kuznetskiibassein3840]

The reason not to have multiple bids on fighter aircraft is because you won't "be on the inside" of a rigged process to fund an aircraft too expensive to fly or train on,equip or maintain, with too high wing-loading for air combat or ground support, with a single engine that won't get your pilot back, and that is moreover very vulnerable to AAA and small arms fire.

[@cmontes7961]

Don't even bother. To many have drank the Kool aid.

[@SeanP7195]

You guys aren’t very smart.

[@SeanP7195]

Hello, I’m from the future. The F-35 is the greatest airplane ever built and you will buy 88 of them. You are all very emotional and not very bright.

[@knowsmebyname]

sounds prophetic he does. he was right on the money

[@abrahkadabra9501]

The new Photonic Radars will make all Stealth aircraft obsolete overnight and a lot of military budget money is being poured into developing it worldwide. That being said, the F-35 is way ahead of the pack technologically speaking even though they tried to pack too much capability into one airframe IMO (not just stealth).

[@ivanlagrossemoule]

Oh look, someone fell for the buzzword salads. Photonic radar use different signal processing, but use the exact same radar waves. They will have a very minimal impact against stealth because stealth will affect those radar waves just the same.

[@philipgates988]

ivanlagrossemoule You seem pretty smart...seriously....when do we get photon torpedoes and phasers?

[@richardgraham7055]

Capability my butt: the F-35 is a garbage wagon that tries to be everything and succeeds at nothing.

[@DrCocktapus]

Wanna update your comment? It's Russia and China still using archaic radar?

[@QurttoRco]

HER ONLY SOURCE IS PIERRE SPRAY LOL

[@andrewlambert7246]

Low radar signature is allways going to be needed on an airframe even when stealth becomes more or less defeated.

[@cmontes7961]

Of course that's a feature. The problem lies in it's many many other faults. Everybody is doing steath now. But ways to see it are improving all the time as is stealth technology. The F22 was done right. The F35 is a dog. Has nothing to do with stealth. I only point out that it by no make planes invisible. Especially to Russian radar. Is is very good.

[@Gunni1972]

What will it help with then? Getting closer to the enemy. And in that case, it better be Aerodynamically superior.

[@gp33music41]

​@@Gunni1972What's the point of putting armor on tanks if there exists weapons to defeat that armor? Simple, so that you can still stand up to legacy threats, and not every situation will have a stealth defeating weapons system involved.

[@DonMeaker]

The F-35 was the result of a competition. If Canada wanted another competition, they could have one, but you would compare a stealth capable aircraft to an aircraft without that capability.

[@enderwiggin8947]

They say that a Buddhist monk stops dreaming at about age 60 because he has stopped lying to himself during the day. This man I imagine has nightmares every night.

[@SeanP7195]

How does it feel to be dumb.

[@starbase218]

It is the most modern fighter with some amazing technology in terms of sensors, datalink, computing power, etc. This provides amazing situational awareness, which is extremely important. Maneuverability-wise it’s very good as well, because it doesn’t need externally carried weapons, sensor pods or fuel tanks, that would induce drag and/or add weight. So in a typical combat load it’s very capable, though maybe not exceptional. And then add the stealth on top of that. As for price, I have a hard time believing it would be cheaper than the Swedish Gripen. But it’s a different class of airplane altogether.

[@blazkapusin9810]

You dont know what are talking

[@starbase218]

@@blazkapusin9810 Maybe you explain what mean

[@SeanP7195]

@@blazkapusin9810he knows exactly what he’s talking about and the price between this and the Gripen is comparable. And the F-35 is a far greater plane. Far greater.

[@laynegraham1258]

It’s too bad that Canada didn’t listen to General Lucas. As it is, the country will be going with planes that are fast, maneuverable, economical, and easy to shoot down with modern air-to-air missiles.

[@JurisKankalis]

the arguments of why a full-scale traditional competition was not undertaken are somewhat unclear and murky, or poorly explained here. the reason that there were no Dassaults, SAABs, or any BAE incentives that competed among each other, was the initial understanding that instead of looking at different models and different types of airplanes, the F35 would already from the outset comprise a very capable platform that all memberstates could to some extent influence and "adapt" and improve. No competition would ever be possible for all the countries that end up buying F35 simulataneously, this multitude of customers also reducing the cost of the plane.

[@Szarko32c]

Lockheed salesman.

[@valko022]

Not necessary! The F 35 is good / great jet fighter, better / lot better than many more so called 4 TH Gen Jet Fighters, but only!, if it works! 100 %!

[@vashonmart]

this interview isn't really convincing that f35 is good plane. all he says is it is the best plane just trust me I know what I'm talking about I and I alone am sincere enough caring enough to make this decision. no examples, results from experiment, no nothing based on fact.... he keep saying we did the study but does not go into details what his opinion is based on. Yes his OPINION not fact.

[@rogerdodger8415]

Those "experts" in the comments, don't realize that the nature of the modern fighter aircraft has changed. Dogfights and aerial maneuvers are NOT the best method of lethality. And in that regard, the F-35 is unparalleled in its superiority.

[@valenrn8657]

nettsteder.regjeringen.no/kampfly/2015/11/20/a-fly-f-35-erfaringer-fra-den-forste-uka/ More F-16 vs F-35 from Norwegian pilot. I quote _Overall, flying the F-35 reminds me a bit of flying the F/A-18 Hornet, but with an important difference: It has been fitted with a turbo_

[@abrahkadabra9501]

I agree. Air forces changed their tactics after Operation Desert Storm because the kills were mostly coming from BVR missile engagements and pilots were relying on radar and jamming to gain an upper hand. They also found that SAMs were taking down fighters without adequate ECM and jamming. The F-22 and F-35 are two aircraft that were designed on that data.

[@cmontes7961]

Drink more Kool Aid

[@rogerdodger8415]

@@cmontes7961 Yes, the Kool aid is coming from Ukraine, where you see the competition.. Bahahahahaha!!!🤡

[@cmontes7961]

@@valenrn8657 A turbo that can only go in a straight line.

[@TheWheels1965]

This guy is on the Payroll!

[@valko022]

Not necessary! The F 35 is good / great jet fighter, better / lot better than many more so called 4 TH Gen Jet Fighters, but only!, if it works! 100 %!

[@robertdube9451]

What will they do if the chase or combat a plane and the fuel is already empty before getting there .

[@SpaceAudio]

".. not obliged to buy the aircraft.." with no strings attached? That's BS. 🤣

[@izil1fe]

I wonder how much MIC lobby money did he get for promoting this flying turkey..

[@jamalalinazary8560]

In this cost even less then that Canada can build avra arrow home made Multirole aircraft and its good for economy money will stay in the country lots of job home production not dependent to any one

[@enderwiggin8947]

This man is s great example of a person that has come to believe his own lies.

[@gnolkenstein5527]

much like pierre sprey amirite?

[@derekcraig3617]

@@gnolkenstein5527 😂😂😂😂awesome

[@SeanP7195]

You guys are smart.

[@oceanhome039]

This interviewer did not know enough about the aircraft to do an informative interview. Many who discredit the aircraft do so on manoeuvrability. But the current thinking is that the future is not dogfights , but rather this plane intercepts and downs the enemy plane before it is in range. So it’s quite a different concept. It would have been more informative if this lady had been knowledgeable about the subject.

[@phantombyte1]

This guy is funny. This is a case of language gymnastics. Did he answer any of her questions at all ? He kept dancing around the questions and took her in circles. It is dizzying just listening him speak, gibberish not English, or he was speaking Lockheed-Martinish.

[@Gunni1972]

Marketing Garble. Just recite the sales Brochure. "Opportunities, Capabilities, Potentially, Inside the Program, or Left out, (Of a money making software subscription, without the Hardware ever being complete). "READ the EULA, stupid".

[@ROMSradio]

its the best stealth fighter, period

[@k.heidari5260]

Being stealth is not important. Period.

[@ivanlagrossemoule]

@@k.heidari5260 Which is why every relevant air force today is trying to get stealth aircraft? Until the laws of physics have been bypassed, stealth will be important.

[@commonsenselogic]

@@k.heidari5260 Redflag exercises says otherwise.

[@deltacharlieromeo8252]

February 2021 news disapproves your argument 😂😂😂😂

[@deltacharlieromeo8252]

@@commonsenselogic pssst. Please don't cry.

[@josevillalba6702]

Interview this Lt. Gen. today please. Pierre Sprey was right form the begining.

[@moonbear2130]

Is that sarcasm

[@josevillalba6702]

@@moonbear2130 Even worse today. The motor don't work properly. Perhaps tomorrow the sun burns the cockpit glass. I don't know so much but looks like a nightmare.

[@moonbear2130]

@@josevillalba6702 sprey said the costs would balloon and each aircraft would costs 200 million dollars and members would start to drop out, instead even more countries have began buying the aircraft and the cost per aircraft is lower than most 4+ gen fighters

[@josevillalba6702]

@@moonbear2130 Ask UK? Netherlands? etc... The prices of F35's are fly away. The 4++ prices are the complete program divided by the number of aircrafts. That includes training, armament, spare parts, jet engines, etc... If you want lie to yourself go ahead. The Pentagon are trying to get off the F35.

[@moonbear2130]

@@josevillalba6702 japan, Poland, Singapore, South Korea, etc, countries which decided to purchase the aircraft despite having no obligation to do so shows how effective the F-35 is, look at combat exercises with the F-35 and it has performed superbly. UK and Netherlands are still both operators as well. The thing about older 4+ gens is that their designs are matured, any improvements will be incremental, whereas the F-35 will continue to improve, as it has been doing for the last several years, which is why we can look at spreys comments in retrospect to see how wrong he has been.

[@philippebarillecavalier9275]

He had nothing better to say than "other countries made this choice, they can't be all wrong". All risks are public, all profits are private. And totally chill about it. Show this to anyone who aspires to join the forces and tell them this is the guy who was at the top, taking decisions. Who would want to join an organization that reeks amateurism at the highest level?

[@larrybabiskyswitchbox.110.]

This is enough to drive me nuts

[@jerbear1601]

The F-35 is a single engine plane and dual engine planes are best for Canada's colder climate. The take away is that this plane is not to defend Canada but to invade countries in the middle east. These planes should be for defense not invasion.

[@SealFredy5]

That's 100% BS. The F-16 (and many planes before it) operate(d) in cold climates. Single engines are currently more reliable than twin engines as well. i.imgur.com/ELelAYu.png The F-35 will be operated by Norway, the USAF, the USN, Denmark, and the UK. All of which operate aircraft in cold weather. Also, the F-35 is by far the best fighter for any use currently in production. It's more capable in pretty much any regard, and is only more expensive in up front cost than the Super Hornet. However, the Super Hornet requires a 10 year life extension to reach the 30 that the F-35 is designed for; which actually makes the Super Hornet more expensive than the F-35A.

[@jerbear1601]

Apparently it is the Boeing F-22 that holds that distinction.www.military-today.com/aircraft/top_10_fighter_aircraft.htm

[@Blackbarron247]

Seal is right. most of the time one engine failure resulted in the other engine failing as well. Additionally, the f-35 also has one of the best testing safety records in history as I remember.

[@jerbear1601]

It doesn't change the fact that they are middle east invasion planes.

[@Blackbarron247]

Jerry Ummmm. Okay man, you have the right to think that i guess.

[@Karl-Benny]

Had Canada bought the F-35 Early they would have bought crap as the first 200 made might not ever become operational

[@philipgates988]

Karl-benny johansson B.S. they’re all operational.

[@kaillumfc]

Haven’t done had issues? Operational means what - they fly some of the time ?

[@SeanP7195]

Flat out lie

[@rocketman48]

Follow the money guys,same as the 70s.Thats all.

[@jg3000]

For defense try a aim 120 capable stealth helicopter.

[@suesan5111]

Helicopters can not be made "stealthy", unless you get rid of the main and tail rotors. When they r spinning, they create two GIANT radar reflecting disks. Yet one of these stealth helicopters supposedly took seals to get bin laden in Pakistan. P

[@philipgates988]

Sue San And one got shot down.

[@philipgates988]

People who know nothing about either aircraft or military doctrine like to bad-mouth this airplane. There isn’t one Air Force General in the world who would reject this airplane.

[@Petertrottierrealtor]

What a joke, unit cost gone from 30 million to over 100 million and rising ! Massive reliability issues, software issues, terrible yaw pitch and roll rates and carries a ridiculous 150 rounds. Whenever you try to have one plane do all missions, sacrifices have to be made. Just look at the F105 Thud and you see history repeating itself. So tired of Canada getting ripped off by the US industrial military complex. Are we not capable of building our own aircraft ?

[@ivanlagrossemoule]

Funny because the unit costs should be below 80 million this year. The unit cost only went down, not the other way around. We're in 2020, the 20th century has been over for 20 years now. Multirole aircraft are actually very capable and every relevant airforce in the world thinks so. The F-35 is great at maneuvering because it isn't limited by software anymore. You don't need more gun rounds when you have a massive 1600+ T/R module AESA, full situational awareness due to DAS as well as a really powerful IRST (EOTS), all combined with excellent stealth. Do you think Canada can afford to spend 50+ billion on an aircraft development project? Also Canada was meant to be taking part in the F-35 by for example developing parts or building them.

[@chilo31416]

This is what corruption looks like

[@SeanP7195]

This is what someone who can set aside emotion, propaganda and properly crunch all the numbers to determine not only is this the best aircraft in the world, it’s very affordable.

[@wkgurr]

The F35 was incepted in 1995. In 2020 - that is a quarter century after it was born - it had the following numbers for combat readiness as per the Pentagon: MC, which stand for "Mission Capable" was 50 % for the F35A. The Pentagon defines "Mission Capable" as the airplane being able to take-off. So in 2020 a quarter century after its birth the F35 in its most capable version was able to take-off in one of every two missions. There is another metric called FMC, which stand for "Fully Mission Capable". This is definded as actually completing a mission as ordered. FMC for the F35A in 2020 was 34%. In other words in 2/3 missions the fighter was unable to carry out the mission as ordered. Of course the respective numbers for the other versions of the F35 were much much worse. The F35 is a scrap cheap with a slick exterior which makes it look good for the sales pitch to gullible buyers. The F35 - born a lemon, always a lemon.

[@SeanP7195]

You’re pretty dumb

[@hernandojaramillo2916]

I wonder how much money he is getting for this deal, these people do not care about anybody only their friking pockets!!! 👎👎👎👎👎👹👹👹👹👹👹

[@rocketman48]

pity no flyoff only gave away billions and always dodgy.

[@blowinkk9396]

Build the Avro Arrow problem solved

[@djjermagicstick]

and this lady have no clue on f-35. and some Pierre guy she reference. don't know crap about any figther a kid could debunk him

[@elstevobevo]

Milt Farrow I would further add that Pierre Sprey knows pentagon corruption like no other.

[@deltacharlieromeo8252]

And it has been debunked today.

[@machbaby]

Great. Have a single engine aircraft flame out over remote Canada in winter. Not too smart. What you need is to upgrade your fleet to the Super Hornet.

[@gregmoulton260]

Eric M, two engines are actually more risky. A critical failure, which normally happens in a jet engine, would bring down the jet. Doubling you engines doubles your odds of a major engine failure that would result in loss of the jet.

[@n74jw]

Canada should buy the Super Hornet. That makes the best sense. Since they became available the RCAF has always gone with two engines. Exception being with the F-104, which no one would ever argue was a good design. Ask a pilot which they would rather have over the great Canadian North. Two engines or a parachute?

[@Jrod3338]

Canada already flies the 2 engine F18. They have been for years. So what's another 2 engine platform gonna hurt?? My humble opinion is that they should just upgrade to the Super Hornet. The U.S has been flying that for years without too much trouble. I also believe that it's an easy transition for Canada from the Cf-18. And definitely cheaper.

[@Gunni1972]

Don't worry, the burning Wreck will keep you warm for quite a while, Plastics burn pretty well, once ignited.

[@tanmtruong8262]

The guys interview is laughable he is not actually saying anything, the Russians is probably not building a better aircraft they building it for fun, 1 engine is very reliable better than 2.. he stutters and he doesn't knw WTF his talking abt

[@puppetmaster532]

ill take the word of a Retired Lt.Gen. over some random person in a youtube comment section

[@jleddy668]

give us the arrow 2017 screw americas military industrial complex we're losing out on billions and im sure countries would love a jet fighter that can take our harsh climates because their are alot of countries with our climate, we also had a faster, more durable, longer single flight duration in the 50's, so why are we buying slower, lower altitude jets, with a shorter single refuel flight distance.

[@AdamosDad]

A cold harsh climate like Denmark for instance that is buying the F-35 to protect their country from a perceived Russian threat.

[@valenrn8657]

josh leddy, Arrow program was cancelled by the Canadian government after $40 million dollar cash injection request. Combat Radius Arrow Mk1: 660 Km F-35A: 1407 Km G loading Arrow mk1: 3Gs documents.techno-science.ca/documents/CASM-Aircrafthistories-AvroCanadaCF-105Arrownose.pdf F-35A Block 3F: 9Gs This is for F-35A Block 3F as of December 2017 www.luke.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1386133/lukes-newest-amu-supports-f-35-program/ "The unit is the first Luke F-35 AMU to receive a 3F, or full-up, combat aircraft capable of pulling 9G’s in the air."

[@Backhand77]

Ohhhh...he's speaking about kindergarten made up rules. Lol

[@robertdube9451]

Not a good aircraft sorry .Not a plane for the north .