Why were passengers allowed on OceanGate’s experimental Titan sub? - The Fifth Estate

The 2023 implosion of the Titan submersible shocked the world. In collaboration with Radio-Canada’s program, Enquête,The Fifth Estate’s Mark Kelley investigates how an experimental sub was allowed to take passengers to one of the most unforgiving places in the ocean to explore the Titanic wreck. Also, how they did it via the port in St. John's Newfoundland, one of the most monitored and regulated harbours in Canada.
00:00 - Stockton Rush pitches OceanGate
11:57 - Inside a sub: How safe is it?
21:30 - Firsthand: What it’s like to dive in the Titan
24:51 - Taxiing in Newfoundland and Titan’s Canadian support ship
34:31 - The hours after communication was lost
CORRECTION (March 28, 2024): A previous version of this documentary incorrectly identified the Lieutenant Governor of Newfoundland and Labrador based on information posted by that office.
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March 29, 2024

[@bas4241]

As a retired engineer myself, I have often advised young engineers that if you think too far outside the box, you will usually quickly find out why the box was there!

[@PeterSigurdson]

No one person is smarter than everyone together, and the boxes were designed by group consensus experience

[@bas4241]

@@PeterSigurdsonAgreed. In many cases, the “box” represents decades of empirical data, actual experience, and trial and error. The “Chesterton’s Fence” lesson is to never remove a boundary without fully understanding the primary and secondary repercussions.

[@PeterSigurdson]

@@bas4241 A corollary might be: Never discount the experiences of people who make systems like the SUD work without killing anyone.

[@whoever6458]

Yes. Don't find out through experience that the box was actually a structural box, literally there for necessary support.

[@TheFakeyCakeMaker]

Great thread! Very useful info, thanks Bas and Peter.

[@GreedRuinsEverything]

Cause of death: arrogance

[@Riders241]

Contributing factor: stupidity

[@shopsshire9282]

The overarching sin for stupidity and arrogance is pride just pure plain old pride.

[@gpmo]

And GREED 💵💵💵

[@marilynschmidt6400]

Egotistical

[@jrpoon]

Ignorant

[@laurenurban3942]

Stockton Rush will be remembered for his stupidity, horrific death and the four souls he took with him.

[@AS-jx3ki]

Exactly

[@KajusRoss-tl5no]

Respect mr Rush ...

[@benediktmayr1701]

How? After that? ​@@KajusRoss-tl5no

[@christinamcilwaine350]

​​@@KajusRoss-tl5no he doesn't deserve respect he was reckless and stupid

[@MarinCipollina]

@@KajusRoss-tl5no None for him. None.

[@tomservo5347]

I just can't wrap my head around the fact that as a lowly welder my first thought at seeing the titanium ring epoxied onto the carbon fiber tube was dissimilar materials at extreme pressure and temperature contracting/expanding at different rates creating weak points that tons of seawater WILL find a way to get through.

[@whoever6458]

Bet you're a great welder! Right on!

[@jasonhamar9951]

I’m amazed the epoxy glue joint lasted for 13 trips down to almost 4km below - that’s a win for epoxy to my mind,incredible

[@brianthomas2786]

In terms of Stockton Rush, James Cameron said it best. “I think that if you’re building a hull where you need to have sensors to tell you that it’s failing, in the process of failing, you have no business designing subs”. Spot on.

[@mattderouen2323]

Couldn't be worded better! He shouldn't have been able to be anywhere near any submersible, especially being able to design one! It takes stuff like this to happen for things to hopefully change

[@user-bd3zy6wo7l]

James is talking after is it happened

[@user-bd3zy6wo7l]

Smear job on rush. Ambush journalism by glorified KZbinrs.

[@xtina6569]

@user-bd3zy6wo7l he was warned multiple times and refused to listen and fired those who tried to warn him

[@harrythompson6977]

when was this,think after the fact?

[@whererosemaryflourishes]

Stockton Rush will certainly get his wish of being remembered for his rule breaking.

[@austx290]

Sad but true. Sigh

[@deltawarrior2]

Nah, this was absolute sabotage by canadian and biden garbage people

[@SofaKingShit]

I would never be invited into such a confined space as I would rather be remembered for wind breaking. Too soon?

[@AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg]

Rush?...... That's A GIVEAWAY.

[@AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg]

​@@SofaKingShitWind Surfing?. Follow Throughs?. Fecal Treacle?.

[@Crayma800]

One rule you can not break : Physics

[@clarelwc2849]

Exactly

[@irishhoopers6899]

Well you can try. But then physics will break you.

[@dompit9535]

Don't be so sure.

[@SW2799]

in a way, you’re not exactly correct. Stockton Rush was a very intelligent man, but also very self-absorbed with his own ego, And ultimately very, very selfish.

[@frankthetank8050]

Rush looked always like a guy who would charge you 250 grand to risk your life in a plastic death trap, steered by a discount Alibaba Xbox controller. Physics, however saw right through his con 😢💀

[@j0hnnykn0xv1lle]

I'm not an engineer, I'm college educated. But even in the mid 90s, when were hardcore mountain biking - when we bought bikes we knew that carbon fiber options were out there - so was aluminum and steel. And the difference between each was well known. Carbon fiber, yep, it's light, and can be strong, but it stresses over time. And those mountain bike frames will crack at some point. I knew that at age 20. This guy had way more education on this stuff than I did, and still decided, let's do it. Just unreal. Preventable and Rush's company and widow should be holding the bag on this one.

[@davidjazay9248]

Exactly, this has been common knowledge for decades.

[@zippersocks]

For reals. And just to add on to what you said, carbon fiber has excellent tensile capabilities (aircraft, wind turbines, …), but wasn’t applied/designed for compression. I think that was the biggest red flag for me. Layering threads to keep pressure out instead of in.

[@higgsbonbon]

​@@zippersocksI suppose one could take a tensegrity approach but the engineering required for such a system would likely be unreasonably complex for these purposes.

[@porridgesilt]

Rush built a mousetrap for rich people.

[@ShawnDarlinghalibutfisherman]

Mouse trap more like death trap.

[@MakerInMotion]

The scientists on every dive didn't pay the $250K fee. Paul-Henri Nargeolet wasn't rich.

[@freespeech.7254]

Rich and dumb😂

[@Jordizzan]

@@MakerInMotionand that has what to do with anything?

[@MakerInMotion]

@@Jordizzan I think everyone celebrating that rich people died should know there was a regular guy among them.

[@apaulotroughtzmantz2914]

The fact that you had to be BOLTED into the thing with no means of escape without outside help would stop me

[@ericeandco]

When you’re that deep in the ocean you can’t just exit anyway. But it’s indicative of cost cutting for sure.

[@runriot-ke3cv]

@@ericeandco Yeah, but, what if you manage to an emergency float to surface but need to get out right away? (say fire/heat)

[@anjou6497]

Yes, and surely any sub like that should have a brightly painted top, red, yellow, or orange, to be easily spotted by search n rescue choppers in case it surfaced...??

[@philiplyons8388]

💯

[@AwesomeFish12]

Exactly, an air supply/quality issue could require the hatch be opened IMMEDIATELY, not 30 minutes too late. A tiny electrical fire would mean people breathing toxic smoke for hours, the fact that the flooring was highly flammable doesn't help...

[@doc_law1593]

He was reckless with other people's lives and that is unforgivable

[@sierrajohnson717]

“You’re remembered for the rules you break” and the LIVES YOU TAKE. He’ll be remembered as an overconfident failure that cost innocent people their lives. Glorious.

[@gregsmith8469]

The "Unthinkable" now lies next to the "Unsinkable".

[@kevink2986]

It blew up into a million pieces. It’s remains are floating in the ocean who knows where…

[@M-yb1cc]

@@kevink2986 True, but a few pieces might be next to it

[@arupsan]

Sea animals had eaten all those million flesh pieces … except junks..

[@paule6945]

Absolutely great reply, nothing else needs saying 👍

[@michaelelizabethcuaz9142]

Clever yet true!🇺🇸🇫🇷🇺🇸

[@kentk5631]

Port Authority of St. John's Harbour sure brought the hammer down on a camera crew doing an interview on the bay while turning a blind eye to a non-certified, unregulated, multi-million dollar disaster in the making. Excellent documentary by the CBC's Fifth Estate. Well done as per usual.

[@nickv4073]

What "blind eye"? The Port has absolutely no responsibility, no authority or control over what happens in International waters. None! Zero! The Titanic rests in international waters and Stockton took advantage of that fact.

[@woodsplitter3274]

Good point. I have always liked CBC. Thorough and professional.

[@stephaniekaye235]

HAHH 🎉 WE don't get involved with expeditions that come certified with all the bells & whistles :\ its not like we own the graveside of the Titanic but we are the closest to it that's why everyone that's gonna go there sets out from our harbor. No other way to get to her! ❤

[@waner17]

@@stephaniekaye235odd thing to be prideful of.

[@Bl0ckHe1d]

No hi-viz vest and / or safety helmet

[@jaycoboliveri809]

The Titanic isn't a tourist attraction, it's a grave.

[@angelacook3680]

I couldn't agree with you more.

[@charlesfaure1189]

Apparently not. It's presently both. Though I'm not sure it's really a grave if the victims are all long gone into the entrails of sea creatures. Perhaps an enormous area of Europe, for instance, should be fenced off because soldiers got churned into salsa there and were never recovered. We could start with the entire Somme Valley, maybe?

[@MarinCipollina]

@@charlesfaure1189 Much of the WW I battle zone areas, around the trench lines and 'no mans land' areas are classified as 'Red zones'.. No human entry is allowed. Too much unexploded ordnance, including unexploded gas shells.. There's one group dedicated to recovery of munitions, but several of those die each year in recovery efforts as well. The old ordnance is very unstable.

[@brentcarnelli5664]

My brother "visited " the Trade Center after 9/11 , with his kids, saying it was a history lesson. I said it's a sacred gravesite and you should be ashamed of yourself.

[@lostcat9lives322]

Graves are tourist attractions. That's their function.

[@hreader]

Definitely one of the better documentaries on this subject if not the best - not sensationalised and obviously well-researched. I hadn't realised that the St John's port authorities were so relaxed about the Titan - interesting. Well done, 5th Estate team!

[@stephenholmes1036]

Well said

[@claus2427]

Other than the segment on Titanic basically being wrong (watch Oceanliner design).

[@raycarl8747]

Finally, a quality OceanGate documentary offering new footage and journalism. Well done

[@Crashed131963]

The Fifth Estate only does pro documentaries and has been around since the 1970s.

[@CSDonohue11]

Something extra was going on with this situation Not just what the public has been sold

[@MargaritaMagdalena]

There's an animation that shows what happened to their bodies. It looks scary.

[@dp7047]

​@@MargaritaMagdalenaWhere? KZbin?

[@marilynevans8436]

​@@CSDonohue11😮?

[@dopamining7621]

Considering how DIY that sub looked, you couldn't pay me to get in that thing. The glorification of risk, the contempt for certification and peer opinion, the overconfidence/arrogance. This has a Darwin Award element to it.

[@mikoto7693]

Same here, one look at the DIY look of the submersible and I would refuse to have anything to do with it. I looked at the bits and piping on the outside and immediately recognised entanglement risk. But the other one was the requirement to be bolted inside the submersible with no possible way to get out was a dealbreaker for me. I have a special fear of being trapped inside a small space. The thought of suffering an engine and communication failure, bobbing on the surface yet on a timer of suffocating would be a nightmare.

[@stephaniemurria5534]

Right! I've seen better looking scrapbooks.

[@kelrogers8480]

And the poor kid that died? Can you find compassion for him - or his mother?

[@fishdude666ify]

Word. My thoughts exactly. I watched Challenger Deep after this happened and saw what went into that submersible and then looked back at this one and even though I already knew that the concept was fundamentally flawed, just looking at it made me feel ill. I can't help thinking about what those last 20 minutes must've been like, especially for the kid that didn't want to do it.

[@Cara-39]

Yeah everyone says that now, after the accident with full knowledge of the problems, but Rush spent years deliberately deceiving wealthy potential passengers with lies about safety, high tech collaborations with reputable industry members that never occurred and patents that didn't exist because without the millions of dollars their ticket prices generated, he couldn't build subs or keep his business running. These people were duped

[@AlonsoRules]

If Rush had gone down there by himself and died, it would have quickly been forgotten I reckon. The fact he took people down there with him means that he will be remembered forever.

[@glajubutu]

@17:36 When the reporter asks about how he didnt know he was the adviser for ocean gate. The look he gives him is priceless.

[@arseface2k934]

he's a very bad liar lol

[@charlisays]

I've worked for finance CEOs like this. Pure psycopathic arrogance. If Stockton had not died on that expedition, he would not be remorseful.

[@bobgillis1137]

Indeed. I noted the outcome of that Virgin Air billionaire upon his test pilot crashing the spacecraft. His first concern and sympathy was to his space program, not to the doomed pilot.

[@M_SC]

Narcissism is correlated with CEOs

[@NondescriptMammal]

@@M_SC Likewise with psychopathy.

[@patludwig1971]

And he would still be taking idiots' money.

[@candicraveingcloude2822]

@@M_SC You have to be that way to be a CEO. It's a system that requires that you only care about yourself, whileonly caring about others if you can push them down.

[@NefariousEnough]

It's impossible to stomach guys who refer to Stockton Rush as "smart" or "intelligent".

[@hosmerhomeboy]

One can be an intelligent failure. He's no different from the many dead on Everest, from skydiving, or even from extreme skiing. When have you ever trodden a new path?

[@stung3848]

You can be intelligent but lack logic and common sense, clearly you lack all 3

[@brianjuelpedersen6389]

Treading a “new” path by being arrogant and dumb, like dying on Everest (why would you join a list of at least 322 people who have already died on Everest) is not an intelligent failure. It is an extremely unintelligent failure.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

Don't confuse smart and intelligent with sensible. Rush was certainly intelligent, but was also a risk taker, a potentially dangerous combination.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@sweethomealamanda What's the difference between paying to go on a guided expedition to the top of Everest and paying for a trip to the bottom of the ocean?

[@aspiring_fossil]

The crack counter floored me. I couldn't imagine shelling out a quarter of a million bucks to watch fate catch up with hubris, let alone bring my own child with me.

[@NondescriptMammal]

If it weren't so tragic, it would be laughable that anybody thought for a moment that a rescue mission could have had any chance of success in this situation.

[@jamesotayza2230]

"You will be remembered for the rules you break." Ohh how right he was.

[@user-iv5gy3rc2b]

"You will be remembered for the rules you break." ~ The Devil

[@redfeather1450]

Should have ended with; "And the lives you take."

[@KajusRoss-tl5no]

Respect mr Rush ...

[@kevinhrankowski734]

Watching that carbon fiber being rolled into a hull was like watching a horror movie where you scream "don't go into the basement!!!" At the TV...

[@luisxvgenovese1736]

Perfect analogy

[@shoosh222]

That waiver for the Titan that the host described at 17:53 is insane! I don’t understand how anyone in their right mind would want to go anywhere near the damned thing. I think that Rush was a master salesman who manipulated and charmed the passengers, giving them a false sense of security. The man could sweet-talk and manipulate any situation into being safe!

[@ZekromReshiramVolt]

Well not really

[@HCyrus744]

Wow… the crack counter, the game controller, towing the sub to titanic… so much negligence it was destined to fail

[@sunna8476]

It's so absolutely mind-blowingly insane that this happened, pretty much some guy with his sardine tin just started going on tours to the deep sea, and no authorities tried to stop him.

[@grimmertwin2148]

Like people who vote Trump

[@fredharvey2720]

He was in international waters. No regulations. That's the point.

[@HeleneLouise]

@@grimmertwin2148 I suppose you voted Biden. Perfect.

[@jeffwads]

@@grimmertwin2148 your boy is doing wonderful.

[@teschchr122]

I believe the OP might be insulting sardine tins. As for the political commentary, can’t we be civil and start talking to each other?

[@shenderson2484]

When you meet a cocky CEO of any company it's best to walk away, or run away in this case.

[@isay207]

Boeing

[@dirremoire]

You're describing every CEO everywhere.

[@RedCloudZion]

​@@dirremoirelol

[@bend8353]

Why I will never own a tesla

[@Communistsarentpeople]

He did DEI before Boeing

[@Rocks_Dad]

"Here on the left you see the Titanic, now if youll look to your right you,ll see the last cruise like the one we are on here today"

[@christalball93_]

Thanks Fifth Estate, there was a lack of Titan sub videos already we needed this

[@pippa3150]

This is by far the best one out there.

[@ScribStat]

@@pippa3150 Yeah, I keep watching this one over the others.

[@jhaleshjhoomuck8768]

I express a lot of grief only for 19 year old, Suleman who was reluctant to join his dad :(

[@bobgillis1137]

Indeed. Imagine how bad his Dad must have felt when their fate became evident.

[@anjou6497]

​@@bobgillis1137 Yes i'm haunted by that. Apparently it hurtled downward in the last minutes.

[@muslimcel4581]

Ok Jhalesh😂

[@johnelbrus2651]

😢

[@pennygreenler4351]

the only smart person was the kid who new better!!

[@crumb_of_nopeamine_plz]

"...and you'll see we control the sub with an old Atari 1200 joystick i found at the dump...."

[@Colin12475]

"and here we can see the super glue and wads of used chewing gum I used to fasten the ceiling fan, uh... I man, propeller to the submarine.

[@truthsRsung]

If you continue to soil Atari's name with your poor humor about Death, I will be forced to make fun of your mommy.

[@emptiester]

You know that atari controller still works. You can hammer nails with those things all day and still have it cut dead center everytime.

[@crumb_of_nopeamine_plz]

Ok, ok. Full apologies for dragging an epic piece of gaming equipment into the Ocean Gate dumpster fire. The Atari controller would probably survive on the sea floor at 10,000m.

[@janeeyre1990]

​@@crumb_of_nopeamine_plz, the Internet Council will meet to determine whether your apology merits forgiveness

[@MrBubba311]

He knew how to avoid scrutiny and actively took steps to do so.

[@badlandskid]

You are remembered for the rules that you break. Also for the rules that break you.

[@wheelchair_charlie]

- Cylinder shaped rather than stronger sphere shape = wrong - Carbon fiber haul = wrong - Expired carbon fiber material used = wrong - Titanium ends glued to carbon fiber haul = wrong - Horizontal carbon fiber weave instead of stronger cross hatching pattern = wrong - Refusal to examine haul under expensive ultra sound stress testing = wrong. - Port window not rated for the Titanic depth = wrong ..Just to name a few glaring issues!

[@theprinceofpie]

You Are Remembered for the Rules You Break - Stockton Rush

[@CoffeeCup1346]

For sure he would have know all this though, right? I mean, he was an educated man with friends in the industry. He could look around and see the errors. Why proceed?

[@willankhatter]

He clearly knewhe was putting lives at risk, you can hear that Waiver mentioned the possibility of death many times

[@nervousbabbs2769]

@@willankhatter His greed took over. He made 250k per-person so a full titan is 1m250k that's a lot of dough for like a 5hr day. AND it did 14 dives so that's 17.5M

[@AM-qp2wx]

Haul? Do you mean HULL ?

[@SnotRockets55]

Stockton Rush, the Darwin Award winner of 2023.

[@subnormality.]

Watch OceanGate add "Award Winning" to their website now.

[@mailfraudvoter6620]

There is no Darwin Award... this is getting as old as... one thing is like another thing. Got any originality??? 🤦‍♀️ Don’t ruin KZbin with this trash comment.

[@lamontjohnson5810]

2023? More like of the 21nd century.

[@esteemedmortal5917]

Darwin Award Allstar

[@mailfraudvoter6620]

@@esteemedmortal5917 I said Darwin I’m sooooo smart 🤦‍♀️

[@carramar2163]

Mark Kelley is one of the best investigative journalists.

[@johnnunes2993]

This wasn't about exploration, it was about greed. Stockton Rush built a sub as cheap as he can while charging people a fortune.

[@sarah29880]

💯 ego case as well.

[@TrashQueenRoyale]

I know this might sound irrelevant but the mention of culture of safety being celebrated was also what affected Boeing's reputation in jeopardy the moment their employees started fearing for their jobs. Weather it's cars, planes, subs or even structures and buildings raising safety concerns should always be not just encouraged but treated as a duty.

[@ArohaStill]

It used to be! I remember in an aviation program I was enrolled in like literally in every single class, every single day, it was repeated for that we are in a 24 hours a day , 7 days a week, first and foremost a safety industry. Corporations cannot just be accountable to shareholders...the whole system needs reform and in the case of Boeing, the FAA blindly trusted them.

[@brendadion7868]

Your comment is ABSOLUTELY relevant! Sadly, the "culture" across all the industries you mention has always been profit before safety. Ironically, this would include the Titanic.

[@loosilu]

FUn fact: Stockton Rush used old carbon fiber rejected by Boeing.

[@joshuapatrick682]

If someone tells you that you have to pay 6 figures to get crammed in a plastic tube and the only point of entry and exit is a steel hatch on one side that takes 45 minutes to install or remove, don’t go… this all seems like common sense

[@wordman757]

@@cartier13 The resin is a polymer, and could be thought of as a plastic.

[@wordman757]

@@cartier13 I didn't say carbon fiber was a polymer, I said the resins used are.

[@Colin12475]

If somebody offered me $250,000 to take a trip in the Titan, I wouldn't go, let alone paying that amount to do so.

[@jerrysizzler44]

I have PTSD from a motor vehicle accident. I can specifically recall the confidence and fearlessness I had before the accident, and ever since the accident, I'm baffled that anyone puts themselves in purposely risky situations. My little organism learned it wasn't invincible and now it's driven to protect itself lol.

[@tandiparent1906]

Unfortunately, it seems like common sense is a rare thing with many in the world today.

[@josephinewhite6224]

I appreciate this documentary because when it happened, I was shocked that so little caution was taken in the construction materials. This helped clarify. Thank you.

[@marlysmithsonian5746]

I live in the city where the Titan was made. We never knew about the amount of underwater and sea exploration vehicles made here, not just subs. We have Suntan companies and sea turtle preserves, etc, but never thought of something like this. Our city works so hard to keep people safe and goes beyond what we would think is enough. This is just shocking. Obviously, it was made privately, and would have to have been. The shock and horror has resonated through our area. I am just so sorry.

[@MarinCipollina]

Thanks for expressing those sentiments so thoughtfully.

[@dcallan812]

Someone had to pay for the "development" of this craft, hence the ticket cost. OceanGate should have to pay the bill for the rescue costs.

[@user-bn7ws2gi2j]

I thought there was no bodies to recover so how can you rescue nothing

[@Erin-rg3dw]

@@user-bn7ws2gi2j The company still gets the bill for all the ships that went looking, regardless of what was found.

[@stung3848]

@@user-bn7ws2gi2jso because there were no bodies found there were no cost incurred for all the teams used from across the world to try and look for the vessel? 🤦‍♀️

[@WilliamRWarrenJr]

What kind of value would you attach to the four other souls he took with him? A kid on an exorbitant outing with his dad?

[@nickv4073]

@@user-bn7ws2gi2j The search and rescue mission was done on day one and day two, Genius. It cost roughly $6M.

[@ebikes2xs159]

Rush uses the safety record of others to sell his unsafe one. Despicable.

[@Loolie1953]

Stockton quote about no deaths or injuries in “15 million passengers in private/commercial subs in last 35 years”. Was he including the Disneyland sub ride. That number seems incredible.

[@sonian6642]

"I believe you may get your headlines Mr Rush"

[@YeaYeaOKBUT]

“I did not know I was an advisor”… “you were listed as an advisor”… “oh really?- thank you” 👁️👁️

[@kugan5027]

Did you notice how he was fidgeting with his hands?

[@YeaYeaOKBUT]

@@kugan5027 yea I was wondering what that could’ve meant

[@SarahSoLovelyXo]

@@YeaYeaOKBUTI've always been pretty good at reading people and am interested in body language.. I feel comfortable saying he is lying

[@hughmortyproductions8562]

@@SarahSoLovelyXo Or he could have just been nervous for any number of other reasons. Body language analysis is pseudo-science. Different people react to things in different ways and it seems like a huge leap to accuse him of lying based solely on what he does with his hands. He was also fidgeting with his hands (although not in the same way) when he answered the question about Stockton Rush misrepresenting the safety of the Titan. Do you think he was lying about that too?

[@Interstellar_Traveler]

​​@@hughmortyproductions8562 yeah, my social anxiety makes me fidget too, and that's even without a camera on me. It's not unusual for people to get nervous while being interviewed.

[@sugargold4126]

My heart breaks for the petrified 19 yo kid that accompanied his Dad to please him. Even before this accident you couldn't give me all the $ in the world to be enclosed in a tiny dark vessel to visit a Graveyard at the bottom of a cold Ocean.

[@Trigger200284]

He wouldn't of been petrified. He was turned into a pink mist in about 1/100th of a second. He didn't even have time to blink or register pain. Not only that but he would of been cooked at a temperature hotter than the surface of the sun in that same time frame.

[@bubonic7952]

@@Trigger200284 Petrified also means terrified to the point of being unable to move but I'm going to throw out a guess here and say you already knew that and were making a joke at the expense of a dead kid. WTF is wrong with you?

[@Trigger200284]

@@bubonic7952 I wasn’t making fun of anyone? What is wrong with you interpreting what I said in completely the wrong context? I was literally telling her that he died before he had a chance to be scared. The sub imploded in a few milliseconds and he didn’t have time to even blink before it was over and done with. My god.

[@tiffanyvarelli8834]

@@Trigger200284he was scared when he got on the sub…. He said he didn’t want to go… he said it before the dive…. He was only going bc his dad wanted him to go, but he didn’t want to & he was scared…. I think the mother was supposed to go but she was heavy , I seen that somewhere

[@chriskeith9801]

Just goes to show to much money can buy you an early grave sometimes I thank god I don’t have that problem!!

[@johnbrowne2170]

This doc is one of The Fifth Estate's very best... if not their best.

[@jesuslovespee]

"How many atmospheres can this ship handle?" "Well, it's a spaceship, so between zero and one."

[@documax123]

"You're remembered through the rules that you break." What a quote, from Stockton Rush, Oceangate.

[@seanbeukman9563]

How IRONIC hey?

[@Benucci_music]

Well he didn't lie on that one

[@Benucci_music]

He tried to warn us

[@redfeather1450]

"........the rules that you break.......* *and the lives that you take.

[@lauratroxel24]

Well, that's evergreen.

[@DanielVerberne]

Australian here - this was an excellent production.

[@LadyHeathersLair]

The fact that no Canadian company wanted to talk is a little suss to me. Canadian here.

[@pattiquinn9619]

Fifth Estate always is. While Canadian content might of great interest for an Australian, this content would most certainly be of interest for any journalist. Because it’s 100% researched.

[@DanielVerberne]

@LadyHeathersLair interesting observation. Wouldn't be unique to Canada of course, here in Australia we've plenty of situations where corporate Australia can be surprisingly tight-lipped when embarrassment/potential liability is on the horizon. It doesn't take a committed socialist to find oneself to be almost perpetually suspicious of the motives and supposed 'social license' of many for-profit companies.

[@Trigger200284]

CBC is a trusted news source for me, which says allot when you realize it’s a government funded institution.

[@nickolasstrudwick7232]

@@pattiquinn9619 Most Canadian content is of quality. It's in stark contrast to American sensationalism.

[@boogiewoogie9770]

Yep it's reassuring to know that that the completely unsuitable material is cracking. Just as it's reassuring to know that you can hear ice you are standing on cracking prior to it breaking up.

[@matthewmacneil1187]

That man actually talked about safety and breaking the rules in the same sentence. I'm speechless.

[@jet_GraveWhisperer]

Comparing going into an uncertified sub, to saying dont get into a car because theres an element of risk....stockton rush seems to forget that cars themselves are certified to be able to drive on the road FIRST 😂

[@grimmertwin2148]

Don't effect Musk and his EV death traps

[@jet_GraveWhisperer]

@@grimmertwin2148 yeah u have a point

[@chloeep9329]

He was trying to ride on the coattails of those who did care about the rules and safety. Despicable man tbh

[@UnicornsPoopRainbows]

Rush also would fly around in an uncertified experimental plane he built, which he was far more qualified to build. Certain airports wouldn't let him land in them. As Bloom, one of the guys who turned down 2 of the tickets, Rush's appetite for risk far exceeded his own.

[@nickolasstrudwick7232]

@@grimmertwin2148 Please. 44 people have died from them if you search it. How many have died in tradition gasoline vehicle fires? The number is incalculable. You remind me of the covid death tolls. Yeah okay those people died but on the flip side more far more people are dying on the regular from heart failure, stroke, cancer, to name just a few. Same with car accidents.

[@fredharvey2720]

He SMILED when he said you'll be remembered for the rules you break.

[@tandiparent1906]

I guess he's getting exactly what he wanted then, unfortunately for all of those who were on the trip with him.

[@M_SC]

The same smile of a serial killer, probably

[@natalyawoop4263]

And later on, Darwin smiled

[@mikemooney83]

He got that right.

[@victoriagraham6470]

Now everybody leave the Titanic alone!!

[@bevjensen2278]

Thank you for a really great expose on this tragedy.

[@THEYTHINKTHEYAREGODS]

This sub shouldn't have went any deeper than my bathtub

[@scarumanga]

What I don't get is why there are still people going "Well we do need people like Stockton Rush or else we never move forward"... some people are a lost cause I swear.

[@grimmertwin2148]

Like Musk

[@anjou6497]

Yup.

[@denissavgir2881]

@@grimmertwin2148 musk has actually done alot of useful things, and has made a difference in various ways. Rush singlehandedly changed the rareness rating of a particular type of accident, as it almost never happens

[@MarbRedFred]

@@denissavgir2881exactly!!! I’m not a fan of musk for the most part but I myself or anyone else for that matter doesn’t have the right to say that he hasn’t changed the world for the better! Without musk, private aerospace industry would be very much nonexistent. Nonexistent and not making HUGE STRIDES for mankind’s future and survival via space exploration and expansion. Government sector makes strides but at a snails pace and mainly for military purposes only!!! So love or hate musk but don’t even think of saying he’s done no good for humanity

[@bdarecords_]

@@MarbRedFred "don't even think of saying" So what happens when we think it? Neuralink remote control explosion? He has done no good for humanity. I even wrote it. How dare I?

[@GeoCalifornian]

You’re remembered for the rules you break, AND THE LIVES YOU TAKE, Rush! /Mechanical Engineering Majors, pay attention.

[@anisvadjian5142]

Any sort of engineering majors, pay attention! Any field of engineering can have massive and lethal consequences for wanton risk.

[@davidjazay9248]

Couple of spare game controllers, now that's reassuring.

[@Jaclyn_Claire]

What is absolutely mind-bendingly morbidly fascinating to me is this series of educated wealthy professionals, who one would think would have at least the slightest sense of smoke being blown up the bum, believed lines and lines of nonsense fed to them. It’s astonishing.

[@suew4609]

Being rich doesn’t make you smart!

[@grimmertwin2148]

Look who supports Trump

[@countrygirl4213]

Kinda like cov?

[@bobgillis1137]

Indeed. This is reminiscent of that fraudulent young lady who pretended to invent the ground-breaking blood test and looped in some rather large names to fund her.

[@brianlopez8855]

It happened throughout the Covid Plandemic, so I'm absolutely NOT surprised.

[@michaelrg3836]

"No I did not know I was listed as an advisor"... (Thinks: I'll be phoning my lawyer on Monday!)

[@destinyf81]

he's an advisor- a man who advised them to discontinue use of the titan and advised against using the carbon fiber hull.

[@ScribStat]

@@destinyf81 Not that Stockton Rush specified that!

[@youtubeletmeintoyoutube4580]

Fascinating how organization after organization in Canada desperately passed the buck and avoided interviews until the US coastguard just returned a call and actually sat down to discuss things.

[@benwilson6145]

Simple question, what could Canada do, nothing. Oceangate was a US company operating in International waters. What did the US Coastguard do. nothingas well!

[@RobertDavis-qh1ry]

The worst part of this tragedy? The loss of a 19 year old boy.

[@user-nx9nm7tu4i]

He knew the risks

[@SuzukiYNathie]

"You are remembered for the rules you break" Oh yes, Rush, you are.

[@turfmonster2244]

It's amazing that it even made it once

[@tiffanyvarelli8834]

It made it like 40x way more then once. The creator of the Simpsons had been on it

[@rachelreneer56]

I was surprised too that the Titian went down 14 times. Might have made it more if ut weren't dragged out and in 360 miles each way. However, sadly, destruction was going to happen due to the negligence.

[@roweng.4245]

The Titanic should be left in piece. It's a mass grave, not a tourist attraction. The moment I heard of the submersible being called the Titan, I knew that was a Bad Idea.

[@user-yn4xc8kt3i]

Well, it is left in piece. Pieces, that is. But I do wish It was left in peace as well.

[@bobbyellis5006]

"It was a race against time." Kind of hard to win when the race only lasts about a quarter of a second.

[@exodiatheforbiddenone186]

More like only a few trillionths of a second if we're being generous

[@francisphillips53]

Being bolted in from the outside.. that’s insane.

[@joanpheto5538]

That’s what I thought..

[@belovedhearts]

And BOEING is such an example of safe machines 🙃🙃🙃

[@mowtivatedmechanic1172]

Hey when BOING says “eff that thing” you KNOW you got problems.

[@pjaypender1009]

​@@mowtivatedmechanic1172they actually were before the merger with McDonnell Douglas. Before the McDonnell more casual leadership, Boeing was known for safety.

[@bogdiworksV2]

@pjay "was" being the operative word.

[@janetphillips2875]

There's a Boeing plant near us. It always has a bunch of nose cones lying out back of the giant building. We call it the Boeing Outlet ...

[@julianwalls1077]

Boeing believes in dei just like the Titan guy ..😢

[@justinlong6847]

I disagree when people say the titanic had design flaws. It really didn't. It had a double hull, and water tight compartments designed to stay afloat with compartments flooded. Titanic essentially sank because of a few feet damaging a fifth compartment. Titanic was tge safest ship of it's time.

[@user-sj4nr8gd7w]

Its so so sad.that could have been preventable. R.I.P.TO THEM ALL WHO WENT DOWN WITH THE TITAN.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Just the fact Rush actually casually called his submersible a "submarine" on a news interview when those words mean totally different under-watercraft is a sign of his carelessness, if not his duplicity.

[@LuvBorderCollies]

When you're talking to the general public you have to really dumb down the terminology.

[@corywhitehead83]

​@@LuvBorderColliesit looks like he also decided to dumb down the tech and safety in this deathtrap as well.

[@Pootie_Tang]

What is the difference?

[@mikoto7693]

@@Pootie_TangA submarine is a vessel capable of going underwater and going on missions completely autonomously. It can launch from its base, go down its mission and return to base on its own. A submersible is similar, it can go underwater and complete missions however it is dependent upon a surface “mothership” to operate and complete the mission. In the Titan’s case it required a ship to transport or tow it out to sea to the dive site, it had to be in regular communication with the ship and when the dive was completed, the Titan had to be retrieved by the ship and crew then transported/towed back to shore.

[@anotherinternetidiot6300]

​@@mikoto7693thank you! I appreciate you taking the time.

[@1927su]

Year ago I went to the Titanic traveling exhibit in Denver and before it started, there was a mini documentary hosted by Bill Paxton & he half jokingly said “ I made sure my last will & testimate was in order” , right before he went down in the legit submersible to see the titanic ! You could see his genuine apprehension but he did go down to see it. Braver then me!!

[@jdesigns5945]

You mean dumber than you.

[@smi2le4ever]

I mean yeah but that was a REAL sub.

[@bobgillis1137]

Tens of thousands die in car accidents each year in America.

[@user-tb9uf8oc6r]

Also the same day as 9/11 apparently.

[@marcuscarana9240]

Titanic wreck message: Do not let hubris and overconfidence cause another disaster. Stockton: Okay I WILL let hubris and overcondidence cause another disaster. Titanic: No No No, I said do NOT . . . Stockton: All aboard!

[@PT-fr7cq]

"Remembered for the rules you break" Lol. I couldn't have said it better myself.

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

All these experts are giving the right answer to the wrong question. tensile strength of carbon fibre is not in question. The problem is that a tube, no matter how linearly strong it be, can always be wrung. The water pressure wasn't pulling against the tensile resistance of anything. It was pushing in on a tube, a shape which inherently was made to give way simply by twisting a little bit, making distances shorter, not longer, using its tensile quality to pull those indestructible titanium ends inward to help in the general crush.

[@hosmerhomeboy]

Well put, simple and concise!

[@danacrooks4474]

@@hosmerhomeboyYet I still didn’t understand it.

[@coryharry7300]

The guy who built the Titan could technically be classified as a mass murderer. His arrogance was astounding. Great reporting on this, 5th Estate.

[@staringinward]

LOL not in the least goofball

[@AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg]

The Vivek of Submersibles

[@AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg]

​@@staringinwardHe didn't patent anything, didn't invent anything, just "rushed onwards" without any caution?. Killing Other's!.

[@AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg]

​Doh Doofus......like Carbon is anything new. Graphite?.

[@bigjared8946]

I feel bad for the kid, the rest of them not so much. 12,000 feet of water isn't a "tourist destination" and people who think it is have their own brand of hubris that isn't much removed from Stockton's hubris. True cause of death: affluenza. All of this to "see" a rusty old shipwreck through a tiny window with very little light.

[@thesilversurfer7136]

Stockton Rush: “You are remembered for the rules you break”. He got that one correct. We do remember you for that…maybe not the way you were hoping to be remembered.😬

[@TheFakeyCakeMaker]

Excellent. I've never heard anyone talking about the wreckage before. Very good documentary.

[@willankhatter]

One of the best places to binge on documentaries 🇨🇦💪🏽💪🏽

[@vladimirputin2685]

💯 FACTS!!! And I live in the States.

[@lorigarza9971]

I am a newbie to the channel. I definitely plan to binge on this channel!

[@carolfromalbertacanada]

@willankhatter. 🇨🇦Alberta

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

Always interesting stuff! Go CBC!

[@clarelwc2849]

Agree! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿UK

[@jaceacekalgoorlie]

I wouldn't go on an experimental plane that had sensors to let me know that the wings were about to fall off.

[@denissavgir2881]

I would, as that information is good to know. But if their reason for installation was to track the ongoing progressive process of their active destruction, then I definitely wouldnt

[@timheavyable]

Just to remind you that you will implode in a few seconds.

[@yvonnemariedonaghey5557]

😂😂😂

[@user-ob1oi7kn2w]

Stockton: well we are under way. Billionares: nervous mutterings Stockton: oh look we can see...💥😳🥶 a second later. Tomato soup.

[@user-kl9vq9os4w]

It blows my mind that intelligent human beings could casually throw their lives away with such unnecessary and insane risk taking.

[@kevindiaz-lane4404]

Carbon fiber is a good choice for aircraft wings where the material shines for its tensile (tension) strength. The design here subjects the carbon fibers to compression - fibers do not hold their shape when subjected to compression. He didn’t break rules, he broke well established physical laws and engineering/mathematical formulas governing strength of materials in a given configuration subjected to known pressures and forces.

[@NondescriptMammal]

And even if it is strong enough to survive the compression a number of times, the cycles of compression and decompression will progressively weaken its structure

[@ScribStat]

Correction: Tried and failed to break well-established physical laws. The physics broke him and his victims instead.

[@tullochgorum6323]

As you say, i compression, the carbon fibre does nothing but hold the resin matrix in place. In the same way as you can't push a string, it adds no strength. So this was effectively a plastic submarine, using a resin that wasn't even remotely designed or proven for the job in hand. The truth is that he couldn't afford a proper titanium hull. So he somehow convinced himself and his customers that this absurd design was a genius innovation, when in fact it was a cost-cutting exercise. Why seasoned millionaires with access to independent advice fell for this message is the real mystery here.

[@jason1656]

Turns my stomach inside out thinking about what those poor passengers went through

[@matteooz2735]

It was instant - wouldn’t feel a thing.

[@angelcasillas1014]

These passengers weren't poor

[@Sisko1500]

Titan gave the entire planet anxiety for few days

[@tee1up785]

Zero chance I would have gotten on that thing. RIP to those who lost their lives.

[@sugargold4126]

American here. I love this program( 5th E).

[@malkeitkaur3046]

Very good investigation journalist.

[@FamLawJ.D.]

Ditto!

[@baobo67]

Listening to Stockton Rush it was very clear he had a cavalier approach to safety. His ''there is danger in getting out of bed every day'' approach is not suitable for this business.

[@motorv8N]

That right there are the words of someone who doesn’t appreciate the deadly difference between hazard and risk…

[@Julia-nl3gq]

Agreed. That whole gettng-out-of-bed thing made literally no sense. He was trying to say that there in inherant risk in things, which is true, but then the part where he seems to have a complete disconnect from reality is that, yes, there are inherant risks in everything, but that's exactly why you have to do your best to mitigate those risks.....and he didn't do that at all. He just went along his merry way, not bothering to mitigate those risks.

[@irene_f.]

@@Julia-nl3gq Well said!

[@willdenham]

I like how the port authority makes it clear the Titan was on private property.

[@ray.shoesmith]

Stockton Crush

[@exodiatheforbiddenone186]

LOL GOOD ONE

[@MrCaelant]

The amount of times the submarine guy says "right" after the reporter compares his sub with the Titan. He's saying "shutup" "shutup" "shutup" hahaha

[@FredoFrmDaO65]

i noticed that to and was laughing when he compared the two cuz that dude is nothing like darwin rush or stockton whatever you wanna call em lol i love seeing most sub guys are heavy on safety gotta be when dealing with the ocean definitely super deep dives like that.

[@sergon777]

I hate when reporters call the Titanic flawed. For its time period it was the most advanced ship of it's class. Yes, it didnt have enough lifeboats for all on board, but it was still above standard. The sinking of the Titanic is precisely why ship safety standards rose significantly. Anyways, thats my rant for today.

[@nowirehangers2815]

It was flawed That’s why it sunk

[@LaPinturaBella]

It may have been the most advanced ship of its class at the time. That doesn't mean it was also flawed. Both are true statements.

[@denissavgir2881]

@@LaPinturaBella it was flawed. Various corners were cut, and it wasn't built to standard

[@betinablueyes]

Titanic wasn't as flawed as the arrogant men in charge of her.

[@alexgrant191]

⁠@@denissavgir2881that’s a lie but believe what you want. The ship was built to the highest codes of its time & no “corners were cut” that’s just a factually incorrect narrative peddled by those without any real understanding of the disaster outside of a few Hollywood movies. Never in maritime history either before or since has a ship side swiped an iceberg to that extent. She wasn’t designed to survive that type of incident because it wasn’t seen as a possibility - it was & still is unprecedented

[@dalekthump2590]

the fact that its called Oceangate before the controversy lol

[@sam5992]

This story never fails to boost my mood.