Putting electric cars to the test. Are we ready for 2035? (Marketplace)

Charging. Repairs. Range. We’re putting EVs to the test, revealing an unreliable and unregulated landscape despite the plan to go electric by 2035. CBC Marketplace hit the road with electric cars - a Nissan Leaf, Tesla Model 3 and Polestar 2 - testing challenges such as charging infrastructure and range. And we hear from experts who say electric vehicle manufacturers should be providing customers with cold-weather range data and sharing more information for independent mechanics to make repairs.
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Chapters:
1:51 - Testing range (part one)
3:10 - Testing charging and price
11:17 - Testing range (part two)
13:24 - Testing repairs
18:26 - Speaking with Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault
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FIRST BROADCAST January 26, 2024

[@nicholassmith7048]

The government needs to mandate billing per kwh. Billing by time is completely unacceptable.

[@Niko-iv4ch]

That’s an Ontario problem. Has to do with some antiquated laws.

[@Mountain-Viking]

@@Niko-iv4ch Nope it's the same in Quebec.

[@Mountain-Viking]

I agree, they should bill by kw/h, because it's fair. Some more affordable cars charge slower then pricier cars, so billing by hours cost more if you have a cheap car, which is highly unfair. The reason for billing by hour is so people don't leave their car plugged all day so to free up charging stations for other cars to charge, they bill by time. They should implement a hybrid billing solution. A battery charges fastest between 10% and 80% that part should be charged by kw/h, and by minutes for everything else. The reason is, it takes more time to go from 80 to 100% then 10 to 80%. That wold be a bit more fair.

[@salibaba]

@@Niko-iv4chIIRC there were similar laws in certain USA jurisdictions, something to do with you couldn’t sell by kWh unless you were a utility company. Therefore they have to charge you based on a service rendered.

[@claudeboucher3986]

​@@Mountain-Viking Circuit électrique will convert to kWh billing shortlyl. The regulation governing their rates was published by the Quebec government last November.

[@TheStraightPipes]

One of the worst parts that wasn’t even mentioned was that you need AN APP FOR LIKE EVERY DIFFERENT CHARGER!! Imagine needing that to pump gas?!?? An esso, petro, shell, husky app or you CANT FILL UP!!

[@colby6472]

no kidding hey!

[@GoSolarPlz]

That’s not such a big deal.

[@colby6472]

@@GoSolarPlz yea but what if your not technology literate? Like it’s easy for some, but maybe others would find this very challenging or just don’t have the know how or access

[@GoSolarPlz]

@@colby6472 it’s super simple. The apps are good. The Tesla one requires no app to charge. Plug in. Charge as much as you want. Unplug when you’re done. Drive away. Credit card billed automatically

[@GoSolarPlz]

@@colby6472 plus non Tesla chargers have screens that walk you through everything

[@djayjp]

Winter highway battery range test as a standard, legal requirement for auto manufacturers ✅

[@Casmir02]

Also totally agree with this.

[@sfkjbg]

Gas cars too.

[@Anonymous_Whisper]

​@@sfkjbgbut we know gas cars actually work lol 😅

[@Art7220]

If the battery gets too cold, it won't charge at all.

[@iamworthy1302]

It's a non issue now that electric cars have heat pumps.

[@illmatic19]

god I can already picture people fighting over charging stations

[@lewieg9779]

Hunger Games.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

People aren't fighting over petrol stations, and those where very rare once upon a time. We are still in the infancy of this industry, tech is rapidly improving every year. Infrastructure is improving rapidly every year. As demand grows it will keep accelerating further. Just wait with switching until things have improved to the point where ev's become the better choice for you.

[@trevorrose6223]

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 that’s right it should be when it is right for a person to switch they can switch. For me and many others that would be never

[@dclark1870]

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 What till you come across a person whos car has been fully charged for hours but refuses to move it as they are "too busy" walking around a mall. People freak out when someone fills up a gas powered car at a busy station, then decides to go in and use the washroom before moving on.

[@archie_bunker]

Liberals love that lol

[@beastieboy3926]

It took approx 80 yrs for ICE cars to be developed to the point of good reliability and safety that was affordable to the general public.Govt`s are trying to introduce millions of Ev`s in 5 or so yrs that should be the same standard,or better.It`s not going to happen.The public are not going to buy,or lease a car that could burn your house down with your family inside,even if the chances of that happening are extremely low.EV`s are still in the experimental stage, and the public don`t want to be part of the experiment.

[@soundmindbodydivine]

Ev's are finished, my friend. The experiment is over.

[@ParvTubeHD]

Gas cars have a 100x higher chance of catching fire though compared to gas, America insurance listed that out of 100k EVs, only 52 caught fire, but for gas and hybrids it's 5.2k, you can't say that EVs will burn your house down when you gas car will do the same with a 100x higher chance bruh

[@deadheat]

It always feels like these ministers have no clue about the edicts they issue.

[@Nic-cr8hw]

Your not gonna find very many superchargers in northern Canada maybe US

[@05350]

Isn’t this always the case for the Trudeau government? 😅

[@chrislevisen1010]

Trust your feelings. It's most likely the case.

[@jptrainor]

At least it's entertaining watching the edicts run into the brick wall of reality.

[@iamworthy1302]

He knows exactly what's he's talking about actually,this video is just carrying an agenda. The main issue was finding working charging stations but notice how much time was spent on ones that work versus 3rd party faulty ones? Range in cold is no longer a huge issue,just like with a gas car you use more gas on the a/c not enough to have legal mile change posting.......

[@standennis6987]

Wow. And this Environment Minister is making decisions for us all? He is a laughing stock. “Duh, that’s the first time I’ve heard about this”, says Steven Guilbeault. 🤣😂😅 Throw him out!

[@hockeyfun]

Have you heard of “cold weather highway range” estimates for cars? What would be the “standardized temperature”? Do we also include snow/ice conditions (which can have a significant effect on range?). No other jurisdiction in the world (not even Norway) has this type of range rating. I think that standardization of such a rating would help to educate new EV owners on the effects of cold weather on range, but the Minister’s reaction is reasonable (IMO).

[@dash1dash2]

@@hockeyfunGuess what? The Federal government sets these standards. It's not an "international standard". So yes, the federal government CAN EASILY make these standards a requirement in Canada. But they just DON'T WANT TO.

[@hockeyfun]

@@dash1dash2 Sure, so the question is should "cold weather highway range" standards be implemented. I am for them. Let's see if governments choose to adopt them.

[@doorbash5680]

Steven Guilbeaul doesn't seem to know any thing about EV's or anything else for that matter

[@RiverRatWA57]

​@@hockeyfunICE vehicles have city/hiway mpg estimates why not the same thing for EV's onlybasedontemp/range??????

[@sivad2076]

$15/hour charging. How long do they expect people to hang around waiting to charge?

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

They go shopping.

[@evolv.e]

Meanwhile in my neighborhood, it’s $.25/hr to charge. Why the hell does Canada charge so much for electricity?!!

[@nvelsen1975]

Real weird, we pay per KWH. € 0,72 per kwh is the most expensive that I've found, € 0,52-0,56 seems the standard.

[@DozyBeeChief]

And what if you only need 20 or 30 minutes worth of charging within that one hour; you'd still need to pay $15?!

[@evolv.e]

@@DozyBeeChief the only way charging is worth $15/hr is if it’s delivering a very high rate of energy, such as 250kWh-350kWh, where a 75-85kWh battery, found in many EV’s could charge up in a reasonably short 15-20 minutes, taking into account tapering and charging curve, as many would place a higher value on time = money. Even so, $15/hr is still too high, but if you’ve gotta top off in the least amount of time, one may be able to justify the price.

[@evelynmueller6523]

There are comments to just "charge from home overnight". With what?...an extension chord from your apartment or house strung down the street to where you found parking? Not every home has a driveway or garage, not every apartment building has parking. A lot of work needs to be done before the date in question. Why not have the entire fleet of government cars EV. Let them try to work out the kinks and see the challenges then perhaps the issues everyday people would be figured out quicker.

[@thomasrichardson8327]

IMO, if you cant charge at home, need to tow, or have to drive 50% of your winter range a day or more than 100% of your range a week an EV is simply not for you. I own a model 3, and i have super charged once for 15 minutes on a trip to Ottawa for the weekend. And the rest at home

[@ReignOfCobra]

Ideally, in an place where you live in an apartment, you should be able to take high quality public transport and not need a car at all. But in a case where you must (or a system the forces you to) have a car then you must have a parking spot to leave it at night like an underground lot. That parking place should have access to charging by default

[@AP2780]

I’ve owned a Tesla model 3 for the last 4 1/2 years and never had a problem with charging on road trips and at home. Spending like 60 bucks a month in charging on average.

[@CharlesChiu]

@@debbiekonkin5768 Lol, another user error story. You couldn't have figured out that before you dropped 10s of thousands of dollars on on the Lightning? EV range is already very sensitive on a normal vehicle getting 400km, what did you think was going to happen if you to tow a boat with an EV truck? The Lightning is obviously best for city contractors needing to tow gear and construction material.

[@martalli]

@@debbiekonkin5768 The Lightning has a gigantic battery and garbage charging capacity. Peak 150 kW charging is pretty slow for DC fast charging. If you had waiting to pay for it until a few reviewers had discussed it, you would have seen that you would be spending a lot of time charging. The Kia EV9 should have much faster charging capacity - as long as you have 1) one of the fairly uncommon 350 kW charging bays and 2) a pull through charger. I have seen both in Sullivan MO but I don't think they are that common yet, unfortunately. If Tesla ramps up the cybertruck, with its fast charging, as starts installing their V4 chargers in a pull through set up, it will be much better for towing. That won't be handy just for towing a trailer, but also for being accessible to all manufacturer's cars, since the charging ports are all over and being able to pull the car in either side would help.

[@bowbender1]

Good. Start paying your fair share of the road taxes

[@martalli]

@@bowbender1 My state has higher registration fees for electric cars. States could also tax DC fast charging, maybe they do, I am not sure.

[@bowbender1]

@martalli not sure about the states. But in Canada, road tax is built in the price of fuel. I'm sure it won't be long before that's added to people's hydro bills

[@drewsykes8231]

charging issues in an "emerging market" is like sitting at a gas station with "no gas"

[@myleghurts3546]

Big issue: Too excited about the product, people are buying the idea too quickly before any real-time testing

[@collectorguy3919]

He just admitted electric vehicles are not ready for anyone expecting a mature market

[@fallere5125]

For EVs your house is the gas station. Your car needs electricity, your house has electricity and it's already billed to you. Condo's and apartments are getting them installed too, albeit very slowly. Basically the only situation where you need a "gas station" is on a road trip

[@POVwithRC]

​@@fallere5125You're out of touch. Home ownership is out of reach of many people. So that can't be the gas station you want us to believe it is. Apartments and condos are not and will not roll out the level of charging needed to make your dream work. Between service upgrades needed and the potential grid impact, those apartments and condos won't be the gas station you want them to be. As to being on the road, again, it's a cool dream but not everyone wants to take one pre-defined route east west in Canada. The infrastructure isn't there for unfettered mobility. It will never be there. At the end of the day you need to realize how elitist you sound when you handwave serious concerns around integrating EVs into a working class paradigm. They will never work for them. Especially when they have perfectly good thrifty and paid off ICE vehicles which suffer none of the shortcomings and limitations listed above. Pull the other one and tell me that the guy or gal spending half their monthly wages on rent needs to finance a 45000 dollar electric pimple on stilts to make the weather less sad.

[@davidpaul6615]

Big problem is nonstop headache finding fuel - if u can fill up at home all good. Government is pushing for more ev’s but first thing they need is enough charging stations.

[@colindavenport2619]

Another issue is the grid can't handle having EV's, definitely during the winter when the grid is stressed enough.

[@RockyMountainTesla]

Home charging is the best, makes going electric easy

[@RockyMountainTesla]

@@colindavenport2619100% EV adoption would require upgrades. But that’s going to take decades. The grid has plenty of flexibility to charge EV’s during periods of low demand.

[@colindavenport2619]

@@RockyMountainTesla That will, but there is another problem at play due to when solar production stops when people generally get home from work for most of the year.

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@colindavenport2619 EVs are inherently load shedable. In fact the Canadian electrical code was recently changed so that you do on need to do a service upgrade to install a L2 charger. You just need to install a whole hose energy monitor to stop charging if you don't have enough headroom on your load calculation. That is not to say things are perfect. "Smart" hot water tank manufacturers want to sell "virtual power plants" to utility providers (because they are ALSO inherently load-shedable). But the protocols are invariably proprietary. So if your proprietary water heater load sheds: that may be immediately negated by your "whole house energy monitor" telling your car it is OK to charge during the supper hour peak.

[@Ryan-LetsGO]

Lol I drive to Toronto and Ottawa bi- monthly in my Model Y - this clip is a joke. I agree the environment minister is a joke and an EV mandate is crazy.

[@Foof0811]

🤔 I don't think they drove a model Y

[@mtldax]

@@Foof0811they drove a Model 3, which is more efficient than a Model Y. There were also 4 or 5 superchargers along the way, too.

[@lungor36]

This is why i am baffled by this video. Would anyone drive their gas car for the exact estimated range before considering going to fill up at a gas station? Like literally letting the needle hitting the red empty mark then look for a gas station???

[@hockeyfun]

@@Foof0811it was a model 3 standard range used in the clip. But I think that the point here is, just stop at a Supercharger for 10-15 minutes on the way there. Do you really want to arrive at your destination with 2% charge anyway?

[@hockeyfun]

@@lungor36I know, that part of the episode is so contrived. And when you finally decide to stop and charge, why go to a third party charger when the Tesla Supercharger network is the gold standard (and your car will navigate you there and precondition the battery for you .

[@HormuzAdab]

The tesla used in the video, is a standerd range RWD model. Those who travel regularly should consider upgrading to the long rage version which gets over 500 kilometres. Another problem regarding the test done here, is that no one would ever drive a car to empty or near empty, not even with a gas car. The route Marketplace took had tens of chargers on the way. If they would have stopped at 2 they could have saved time and would have no range anxiety.

[@TheCivicProbe]

Essentially, a 2.5 hours journey with a gas car will take much longer with an EV that has to stop and charge. Think about the immense economic impact this will have. EVs are fantastic but we aren't at the point yet where gov't needs to mandate EVs

[@bbgator1]

A road trip where everything goes smoothly doesn’t make good television. Almost all networks are anti-Tech because it caters to the old population that watches their show.

[@johnp139]

I drive to nearly empty with a gasoline car, because I have a lot of confidence in finding a gas pump that actually works.

[@TheCivicProbe]

​@@bbgator1get an EV that you believe will do better, take it on a ride, record your findings, publish it.

[@yvan2563]

​ @johnp139 And a nearly empty gasoline car won't destroy the tank capacity. It's better for Lithium-Ion battery to never stay above ~80% or below ~20% for long periods because that's what damages their capacity. I wish more cars, especially entry-level models, used LiFePO4 instead since those batteries are more resilient to complete charges/discharges cycles and makes for EVs that should last a lot longer with their full range intact.

[@davidhilderman]

People need to stop and think of the realestate required if all vehicles are electric. A fast charge is still 45 minutes for the equivalent 5 minute fill up of gas. 9 times the amount of charging bays compared to gas filling bays, and that is the fastest charging tech.

[@gary2984234]

Locally officials here are trying to grapple with those who don't have driveways. Are we going to allow massive cables across sidewalks at night to charge EV's

[@rickzane6433]

For now, but it will get faster and faster. And gas will most likely get more expensive. Especially in a war context in the Middle East.

[@dujow1595]

Looks to me that gas pumps take up way more space. EV chargers sit at the head of parking lot spaces. A non-issue.

It’s the opposite. Most EV owners charge at home on their driveway. For example, the stats over a year in my Tesla app show that I charged 85% at home, 12% at superchargers, and 3% at other locations.

[@johnsutherland7561]

Chargers are popping up at places of work etc plus remember many charge at home

[@bryonhamber4]

Have ever noticed that the MP'S demanding we use EV'S are never seen using or owning but many videos of them in a gas powered or airplane ?

[@jamesphillips2285]

If we had a significant carbon tax: we would not have to switch everything to EVs. Carbon-neutral synfuels should be an option for industries that are unable to electrify economically. Unfortunately with the low price of fossil carbon: it is just cheaper to dig fossil fuel out of the ground.

[@bryonhamber4]

Do you know the world doesn't have a CO2 problem ? CO2 is at it's lowest since the last ice age 180,000 yrs ago the world has a pollution problem if CO2 levels drop any lower all life well become extinct

[@bertm3237]

I have an EV and live in a colder climate. I do have to adjust my driving during the winter but made a 90 mile round trip with no issues and the temp outside was 5F. While I agree with points brought up, I noticed the person that was happy with his EV and said no issues got maybe 5 sec of time. I am the first to say EVs are not for everyone and have their limitations but I wish when these reports are made they included more advantages and show people who love their EV

[@ScrapKing73]

The video mentions in passing that almost all charging happens at home, but then spends almost the entire video talking about public charging. It also suggests that charging at home is cheap, but takes *hours*. People are generally home for hours, though, making the emphasis in the video inappropriate. It then shares an anecdote about one family on vacation, and about one car awaiting a battery replacement, but doesn't substantiate that these anecdotes are broadly representative of the typical EV buyer's experience. The video suggests that after 2035 people will be required to buy battery electric vehicles, which is false (in addition to millions of second-hand ICE vehicles, new plug-in hybrids that also have engines and gas tanks will also still be available at that time). These elements of the video are more sensational than journalistic, unfortunately. Agreed that not everyone can charge at home. If I owned an apartment and wanted a new car after 2035, I'd likely prefer a plug-in hybrid. If I had a driveway, I'd likely prefer a full battery-electric vehicle. The sky likely won't fall in 2035 (if that date even holds), and this video doesn't do much to identify what it's actually going to be like in 11 years IMO.

[@Alb3rn-]

It's a hit piece based on an argument of absolutes; which is meaningless in real life but unfortunately people will treat as fact.

[@tubetop123]

Marketplace always does this to sensationalize the show. They have many flaws every Show

[@alessandrosilveira9009]

What a hell of explanation from the minister... seems that he is not totally aware about the reality... 2035? Hahahahhaha

[@chrislevisen1010]

He's off by 100 years or so.

[@wjoseph-rx9mj]

These politicians drive gas cars

[@mikesouthworth]

@@wjoseph-rx9mj he rides a bike and takes transit.

[@MysticalPerson48K]

Might get lucky in 2050 lol

[@oldbiker9739]

He should go back to climbing buildings like spider man , he has no clue even about heat pumps that don't work in - 20 below .

[@brianoconner3090]

The savings you get from charging ends up spending up for food or drink while waiting.

[@BendeVette]

I normally sleep while charging. But I reckon you eat while you sleep?

[@danielbaker7611]

You can also then "save money" by just filling up with fuel then say....working or being productive? How exactly do you think said charging stations get their power to charge EV's?

[@BendeVette]

@@danielbaker7611 Said charging stations get their power from, coal, gas, wind, nuclear, sun, etc. Does it matter? An EV running on electricity from coal is still beter for the environment than an ICE running on gas or diesel. And there is little to no way the ICE will eventually be greener while an EV eventually gets greener because the coal, gas mix in the grid will be fased out as much as possible. Will this happen tomorrow? No, but it will happen. Other countries already run their electric grid on > 90% renewables (Iceland, Norway, Puerto Rico)

[@ldrivadrivah8049]

Tires insurance time etc 😂

[@charlolel]

Depends on what car, Teslas can supercharge within 20-30 minutes. Most of the time you will super-charging during roadtrips where you will have to eat and go to the toilet anyways. No time is truly wasted.

[@summersky77]

Same problem in Arizona, batteries overheating decreasing range plus you're running the a/c rather than heater.

[@Flutter9i6]

? maybe in a leaf which doesn't have active cooling. I've been through Arizona a half dozen times in temps over 110 with my Tesla and never had an issue.

[@evolv.e]

I’ve driven our ten-year old Tesla for most of its life through SoCal, Arizona, and Nevada with no issue. The problem you’re mentioning is mostly with Nissan’s LEAF, which is long-known to have a battery notoriously bad at longevity, charging, and BMS. The LEAF should have been pulled from the market a decade ago, or at the very least, be barred from being sold in any location where it regularly gets above 90° F. There’s almost nothing good about a LEAF, except being able to pick a low-mileage used one for less than 4k to be used for local commutes only and only charged at home or at work. Stopping to charge a LEAF anywhere else is a genuine PITA.

[@evolv.e]

For clarity, I don’t mean to sound like I’m picking on the LEAF, but if Nissan had updated its battery chemistry, it’s BMS, its cooling, and its access to CCS years ago, it would be a much better vehicle.

[@JustinAZ]

I have two Teslas in Arizona and have also had zero issues over my 3+ years. The only thing I dislike about them in the heat is the glass roof. I wish they had a non-glass "base" option or something.

[@summersky77]

@@JustinAZ Two telslas? You're 100% committed to this, no matter what, so no amount of logic and common sense will ever get through. 3+ years...I'm guessing one of the cars is just over 3, and the other is new. Let's talk in 5-7 years

[@grandemage]

I think my main issue with this is the testing was mostly for large metropolitan cities and travel between them. Take BC for instance, if you go North of Kamloops, yes there are "some" charging stations the more North you go, but they're 25-100kw charging (hours to charge to 80%) and can be maybe 2-3 stations at a time to share with. Hardly the 350kw fast charging network (15mins~) we need to make a travel network possible and tesla stations seem to stop showing up the more north you go as well. Honestly for those who need to travel or need to make visits going north than the major cities, you're likely still better off with a gas or a hybrid car/suv/truck. The foundation and maintenance is barely in place functionally for the major population centers, and when you're spending $50-100k+ for electric vehicles, not being able to go where you want, especially without the 15min DC 350kw fast charging, I see electric as nothing more than a rich person's spare vehicle for city commuting, not something I want for "road trips" or god forbid from what reviews have shown between Ford, Tesla and Rivian that their trucks are terrible at towing/hauling distance (less than a 1/4 of advertised distance).

[@grandemage]

Also, lately media has been covering this as well, but $20k-$60k for replacement batteries in cars in absurd, practically the price of vehicles so unless we start forcing companies to make these vehicles have modular, better swappable batteries for maintenance, these vehicles will be scrap every 5-10 years or whenever a minor repair is needed to the battery packs. I shudder to be the customers who get sticker shock paying for a new battery just cause a rock dented/punctured their battery pack somehow like some are being talked about. Insurance wont even touch it with a 10' pole, just write them off or not even cover them in some places.

[@craigmilton9892]

And in other breaking news, hammers don't make good wrenches. EVs are fine for the vast majority of global driving. The average driving done by more than 80% of the world is approx. 60-80km per day. Almost every EV on the market can tackle that. If you need 500km per day. You need a different tool. This ain't rocket science.

[@johnn17golf]

@@grandemage Replacement batteries are now in the $4-6000 range. Like all new tech, replacement parts were expensive at first but dropped very low as soon as there was a little market penetration. Remember the cost of memory for early PCs - or PCs themselves. My first PC in 1995 cost more than a top of the line laptop today and a memory upgrade of 80MB was $200!

[@jamesrichmond5919]

Just love how you said a problem that a Tesla charger I’ve had my Tesla for three years now and have never seen this problem. Seen a couple down chargers had to wait a few minutes one time but for the most part 99.9% of the time I’ve just plugged in charged and gone.

[@bigglyguy8429]

Plugged in, and waited a long time to charge, and then gone.

[@mikel21a]

@@bigglyguy8429 This reminds me to call my credit card company since it decline to authorize a payment to fill up for gas yesterday. Do I blame the gas station or the credit card? Is this a similar infrastructure problem they mention when it comes to EV charging?

[@myleghurts3546]

I live in a city in Canada with a large amount of e-cars and wonder why do people stay in their car for hours while charging?

[@geofflepper3207]

​@@myleghurts3546 I know nothing about the process of charging but I would think that a car left to charge at a charging station for an hour or more wouldn't be much more in danger of theft than a car left in a massive parking lot at a major mall for an hour or more. If a thief saw someone get out of a car and start walking 80 metres to go into a huge shopping center with over 100 stores that thief would know that the person is very likely not coming back to their car for a long time and it seems that it doesn't take long to steal a car. Or for another example, a thief seeing people leaving cars in the morning at a commuter parking lot at a subway station or commuter train station knows that almost all the people leaving their cars there are going to work and won't be back for at least 8-10 hours.

[@martalli]

I cannot help but think they were digging through plugshare trying to find a charging site with problems. I have also never seen a Tesla supercharging site with that going on, in a year of driving, including some long distance driving. Let's note that the worst 'down charger' Tesla site they could find had three blocks spots while something like 9 chargers were open and in use.

[@604h22a]

Ev or not we need proper right to repair bill

[@canadianrcpilot9048]

Also, another point I would like to make about electric vehicles. To achieve the best possible charging experience if the electric vehicle and I’ll use Tesla as an example knows that you’re heading to a charging location so you would pick a charging location on the map. The computer will precondition the batteryand optimize the travel so that not only you can reach the supercharger but also the battery will be warm enough in the winter time to accept the fastest possible charge. It’s not a perfect technology, but compared to other OEMs. Tesla has the best battery management system in the industry.

[@Aegisx5]

Most other EVs do this as well. Rivian, Kia, Ford do at least for sure. Probably all of them. Some even allow you to just manually start the preconditioning without it trying to "guess" based off your GPS destination.

[@nephetula]

Then there's the statement, often overlooked, that says something to the effect of "Fast charging or Supercharging may reduce battery life". Do tell?

[@canadianrcpilot9048]

@@nephetula - if you’re constantly relying on only supercharging, as that’s your only means of charging the vehicle then yes, over long period of time you could suffer battery degradation. What’s funny is people run out to purchase an EV without doing the proper research. It does take a bit of education, and I guess it would be great if there was a common neutral source of information that clearly defines what the current electric vehicle charging and expectations are. Our society has been so used to gas and go. That going to an electric vehicle much like it was back in the day going from a horse and buggy to a combustion engine. It took some time for those folks to make the transition I believe our electric vehicle infrastructure is somewhere between the horse and buggy stage or better yet, the gas and electric stage. I truly believe we will get there. It’s just gonna take a little more time. And for those who have chosen to embrace the new technology, really need to ensure that they educate themselves, so that they are best prepared and get the best possible experience.

[@martalli]

@@Aegisx5 I have a Bolt EUV and that thing doesn't know anything about preconditioning the battery before getting to a charger. Since it cannot charge faster than 60 kW I guess it does not really matter. However, I have to second the idea that Tesla has been making competent EVs for a decade and has much less of the serious faux paus that other manufacturers have experienced, whether it is software (VW) or AC Charging failures (Hyundai/Kia)

[@shootfergus]

my person experience... I own a Tesla and a gas truck. have only had the Telsa since May 2023. Took it to Montreal in November (temperature ranged from 7 to 3 degrees from Toronto to Montreal). Range told me while leaving I would need to charge once. Needed to charge 3 (almost 4) times, turned off the heat, stopped charging my phone and made it to Montreal with about 20%. On the way home, I got stuck between charges and had to charge at a non-Tesla charger and that is a horror story in its self. Don't get me wrong, car is well worth it - not visiting gas stations ever, no oil changes or regular maintenance, car is serviced when needed in my driveway (had a seatbelt fault that needed to be adjusted). while using for regular daily or short trips is 100% worth it. Will I take it on a longer trip in the summer - yes, will I take it on a longer trip in the winter - no.

[@andrewdowdall2690]

@shootfergus, did you enter your destination into the nav or did you just start driving, go by the "rated range", and hope to find a charger once you got close to empty? I've had a Telsa model 3 for 4.5 years now, and my experience is VERY different. I always enter the destination into the nav, then the car analyzes the route and tells me where to charge, how much battery I'll have at each stop, how long to charge at each stop, and it's VERY accurate. I drive from Ajax to Sudbury several times a year and have had zero problems when doing it that way.

[@shootfergus]

@@andrewdowdall2690 here's my trip in a nutshell (I have a feeling I know that issue and it's the new battery type) I have the single battery model 3 with the new battery (LFP) that is supposed to be charged to 100% all the time vs only charging to 80% as a standard - range is 430KM at 100% Destination was entered in the Nav Nav suggested one-stop in Gananoque to complete my trip Using all heat options (seats / steering wheel / air) charging two phones and self drive (not full autonomous) driving at about 120 During the trip - Nav moved stop from Gananoque to Kingston arriving at 8-10%. Battery consumption continued to drop so I charged up in Napanee (arrived at about 20%) charged to 80% Nav suggested I would make my trip to Montreal. Shortly after leaving Napanee car said I wouldn’t make it and needed to charge again in Gananoque. After only 30KM’s I had dropped almost 20% of battery so decided to stop in Kingston and top-up to make the trip. Charged a little past what car told me I needed to make the trip. Back on the road. Arriving in Montreal at around 40%, battery was dropping like a fly and quickly had me stopping in Cornwall to charge up, said I only needed a top-up but at this point the stress was getting to me and I filled up to about 90% and then made it to Montreal with 20% What I have read since… don’t use cabin heat, use steering wheel and seat warmers. Stay under 120 KM/h. Possible that the LFP battery is just horrible in cold weather. Again, I don’t want people to get me wrong, I love this car, just don’t know… is this just life with an EV, do I need to make adjustments, is newer type battery even worse in the cold, do I have a bad battery? Side notes: on my way home had to stop at an IVY charger at one of the ONRoutes and they are so slow… slower than my home charger. I live in Pickering and drive to the office (downtown Toronto) on a regular basis... in the summer I would go from 100% and arrive at 88 to 89%, now in the winter (if you want to call this winter) I am arriving at work at 78 to 79%

[@DennisMathias]

Don't worry about charging your phone. That doesn't come from the main battery and your phone will sip. I typically am comfortable driving down to 10%. It's just something to get used to.

[@shootfergus]

my reply seem to be blocked so re-uploading I have the single battery model 3 with the new battery (LFP) that is supposed to be charged to 100% all the time vs only charging to 80% as a standard - range is 430KM at 100% Destination was entered in the Nav Nav suggested one-stop in Gananoque to complete my trip Using all heat options (seats / steering wheel / air) charging two phones and self drive (not full autonomous) driving at about 120 During the trip - Nav moved from Gananoque to Kingston arriving at 8-10%. Battery consumption continued to drop so I charged up in Napanee (arrived at about 20%) charged to 80% Nav suggested I would make my trip to Montreal. Shortly after leaving Napanee car said I wouldn’t make it and needed to charge again in Gananoque. After only 30KM’s I had dropped almost 20% of battery so decided to stop in Kingston and top-up to make the trip. Charged a little past what car told me I needed to make the trip. Back on the road. Arriving in Montreal at around 40%, battery was dropping like a fly and quickly had me stopping in Cornwall to charge up, said I only needed a top-up but at this point the stress was getting to me and I filled up to about 90% and then made it to Montreal with 20% What I have read since… don’t use cabin heat, use steering wheel and seat warmers. Stay under 120 KM/h. Possible that the LFP battery is just horrible in cold weather. Again, I don’t want people to get me wrong, I love this car, just don’t know… is this just life with an EV, do I need to make adjustments, is newer type battery even worse in the cold, do I have a bad battery? Side note: on my way home had to stop at an IVY charger at one of the ONRoutes and they are so slow… slower than my home charger.

[@markjoseph8795]

*95% of all electric cars are still on the road....* *.....the other 5% made it all the way home!*

[@lominiski]

As an electrical engineer with a master in power engineering, I laugh at what is going on and the stupidity that people talking up EVs......especially politicians. Wait until you need to change the battery.

[@WoLFSkYBLuE69]

It's funny how the feds don't drive EVs but want the whole country driving them.😂

[@ericscott9271]

Do we know that for sure? I’d like to know whether or not the ministers drive electric cars.

[@ericscott9271]

I don’t know about whether the KZbin version of this episode showed her ending up at her destination. I bet she did and didn’t have nearly the amount of anxiety that she seemed to show in a few second clip.

[@ericscott9271]

She showed more scepticism than anxiety.

[@CrimsonA1]

How do you know this? Can you please post some sources for us to look at?

[@ericscott9271]

Yes, I’d like to know that too. I’m assuming that it would be in their best interest to own an ev if they want it to be adopted by the general public.

[@B11video]

Where is all the extra electricity going to come from?

[@wpgc2]

You can charge at night when there are lots of spare capacity.

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

More recent EVs have the technology to feed back power to your home or the grid.

[@j.barren3738]

The coal plants are working overtime to supply electricity

[@wpgc2]

@@j.barren3738 In Canada, 10% of electricity comes from coal, 60% from Hydro.

[@yvan2563]

​@@j.barren3738 In 2019, about 92% of electricity in Ontario was produced from zero-carbon sources: 59% from nuclear, 24% from hydroelectricity, 8% from wind, and 1% from solar. Ontario has about 38.45% of the Canadian population while Québec has 22.98%. With over 40 850 MW of installed hydroelectric capacity, hydropower generates 94% of Quebec’s electricity. Québec has 22.98% of the Canadian population. That means only looking at Ontario and Québec, nearly 57% of Canadians use clean electricity. There's probably at least another 10 to 20% Canadians using clean energy from all other provinces combined, you can look it up yourself.

[@taylorrussell34]

3:55 those "pumps" sure look a lot like diesel generators

[@ampex189]

What, the transformers?

[@alkinsac]

Experience most of this with Tesla and other EV cars when my Tesla is in the shop and rented an EV or Gas car. But Tesla has less issues and much faster services but I always full charge everyday at home before I go anywhere unless I go on a road trip

[@svtraversayiii9453]

You're making some of this stuff up! It is true that the range information is inaccurate at highway speeds. But it is not true that you would get a speed reduction request in a Tesla RWD between Pickering and Ottawa unless you turned off the charger planning enroute. The car simply routes you to a charger - and it does this accurately with regard to temperature and even head or tailwind. There are at least ten Tesla chargers between Pickering and Ottawa (I checked). I have driven the same model from Victoria, BC to Twillingate, NL with none of the anxiety you describe. Why are you reporting this imaginary concern. And how accurate is the number of km your ICE car says are in the gas tank against changing temperatures and winds?

[@harryshort1690]

You chose the lowest range Tesla for this test , and never touched on how easy Tesla supercharger network is.

[@randomrud]

Yeah and the car’s navigation makes it so easy. I drive through Europe with zero planning.

[@jcsells100]

I mean, this was definitely a very informative segment, but it’s also definitely blown out of proportion. Literally nine out of 10 of the EV drivers that I know, have never had a problem with range or charging. It’s not to say it doesn’t happen, but with gas powered vehicles, there is also a myriad of things that can happen. 😊😊😊😊

[@jcdentonunatco]

Saskatchewan has a whopping 10 tesla charging stations across the entire province which is roughly the size of texas. And most of those are only along major highways. So its pretty useless for a lot of people there

[@Bravogiovanni]

This Marketplace on EVs other than Tesla. In my time driving my MY, I have never had any issue with charging infrastructure. I would never go back to an ICE. Range is not an issues in the winter.

[@SiriasisOFFICIAL]

V8 forever 🤘

[@seymourbutz6951]

A straight piped old diesel is more environmentally friendly than these disposable battery packs

[@brianli5068]

I even have anxiety when my phone battery is low, I cannot handle this stress

[@yvan2563]

Same here, my phone battery is at 5% right now and I don't even know if I'll have time to finish this messa{#`%${%&`+'${`%&NO CARRIER

[@dougabbott8261]

standardized batteries. Size ,mounting so one battery will fit a number of vehicles of different makes and models.

[@dexterfretsing2055]

Currently, they're so deeply embedded in the chassis that you need to rip the car apart to get to them, and they're glued together (for waterproofing) to the extent they're unserviceable. We're no closer to batteries being swappable than gas tanks. The tech's also in such an early stage that batteries are all totally different, from chemistry to form factor to configuration. You can't standardise what's undergoing rapid development and experimentation.

[@treynolds94]

Just recently drove back from Mrytle Beach. Took us 16 hours straight through 2 min gas stops. Last stop for gas was in Pittsburg PA. and was able to drive to Peterborough Ontario which is 656kms and over 6 hours of driving plus a 35 min border crossing on 1 tank of gas with still a quater tank of gas left when we got home. Want to see an EV do that.

[@buntnik]

No worry. I drive 30 miles a day. So I could plug in at home at night and do it again tmrw. PERFECT!

[@Randomvids04]

Why is Justin’s suvs not going ev’s???

[@pawel115]

Way too expensive for me

[@pinkyssj4]

Same. I bought a used vehicle and budget it in on everything else.

[@prestopak8503]

ans lets NOT talk about the power grid

[@MsHojat]

19:50 Pretty annoying that the environment minister doesn't know/understand the proper unit of energy. Yes it's a common error people make, but it's still a very significant and problematic error, something that a high level official should know about.

[@kimberbell4238]

I live in Los Angeles. They power off our electricity in the summer occasionally when there is too much draw on the system. My friend works for edison company and says they don't have enough employees to maintain the current grid, let alone build new infrastructure. I have a friend whos electric vehicle that has been in the shop for 8 months because it keeps glitching.

[@sm3675]

What model of electric vehicle keeps glitching? Is it Hyundai?

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

In Ontario Canada i'am on the ultra low rate program for home charging, only use super charges

[@schnabs1234]

Yeah I love the ULO rate ... but I don't think that's a narrative they are going for on this one :)

[@yvan2563]

Get yourself a home power battery system, charge it overnight, never pay more than 2.8 cents per Kw again.

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

@@yvan2563 Already done. Use my solar system batteries during the 28.8 time and some of the 12.2 time , works great in the summer. In winter not so much, but do load shifting battery charging at 2.8 to using at 28.8

[@geofflepper3207]

I wonder if there is a way to put the charger on a timer so that you can plug the car in at 10 pm, go to bed and have it automatically start charging one minute past 11 pm. Though I guess that it's not going to make a huge difference to pay a higher rate for one hour of electricity from 10 pm to 11 pm if you just start it charging at 10 pm. Still, if there is a way to save money (even a bit) every time the car is charged there's no point in unnecessarily throwing money away.

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

@@geofflepper3207 From my Tesla phone app I set the car to start charging at 2AM, done charging before 7AM. Or in winter set the car to be ready by 6AM, it will decide when to start charging at the ultra low rate and have the car warmed up by 6AM just in time to leave for work.

[@chrisbarnes2823]

Most people who think about EV’s live in highly populated areas where pollution matters, what about rural communities? I have never seen a charger where I live so how are we supposed to charge a vehicle? I drive a heavy duty pickup which is diesel powered, I don’t drive a car because it’s useless to me on our dirt roads, plus it won’t carry things I need during the day. Hybrids would make sense as long as they are in the vehicles we need.

[@SkylarkTorch]

You're right. Though for the most dedicated and v specific use cases, it is entirely feasible to just use your home to charge.

[@Joey_Lance]

There is no real environmental benefit of Electric vehicles and may never be felt as their production alone creates up to 70 per cent of more of emissions than petrol equivalents. Cobalt powered batteries are worse for the environment than liquid and natural gas and nuclear power. Batteries alone for the electric cars are environmentally inefficient and acidic.

[@monicavaniderstine8768]

I thought you said not long ago that EV’s are the greatest cars to drive in the winter in Canada Just a few weeks ago ??? 😮

[@gary2984234]

Heavier vehicles on ice. What could possibly go wrong?

[@Itsrichardash]

I absolutely love my electric car. Not only is there less maintenance, but because everyone around these parts of North Carolina turns their nose up at them, I was able to get an extremely good deal on one that had been on the dealer's lot for almost a month. If you have a short commute, don't listen to the negative people with no clue. Do your own research and make your own decision. You will likely find that a cheap, 20k electric car with 150 miles of range or so will work well for a lot of people.

[@wildernesscapes]

good on the reporter, that they at least compared multiple brands including the leading brand Tesla

[@lominiski]

Hopefully the charging machine is not some diesal generator.

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

It's rare but does happen.

[@lominiski]

@@ScubaSteveCanada I laughed when I saw the diesel generator adjacement to the chargers.

[@charlesdoesmore5488]

​@@ScubaSteveCanada Ofter called Hybrid EVs.

[@simonclement5039]

Did you know that Norway have chargers at gas stations? We have come a long way in 10 years. Better batteries will come. Regulation will come. In the meantime maybe asking the major gas companies to spend some of their record profits on a few chargers might not be a bad idea.

[@twotone3871]

Couche Tard have a major presence in Norway. It will be good to see them expand across the country as EV uptake grows.

[@onsokumaru4663]

Where's all that electricity going to come from in ten years time?

[@chunyinkwan7756]

the moment Steven Guilbeault said "your sample is a very small one" says it all about the government.

[@gavinli4119]

As an EV repair specialist here in Ontario, its all the same. automakers will not release info to the mechanics. How I get service information, is I know a guy, that knows a guy that works at this dealership that can get me information, but i owe him a big favor. Same thing with High voltage parts from porsche, mercedes etc. Even how to fully power down a mercedes EQ series ev is not publically available. To get "High voltage" parts for Mercedes, Porsche, Tesla, BMW, etc. takes I know a guy that knows a guy to get parts. When shops ask me how tf i got this part, my only reply, is its a long story, but I got the part, and lets finish this car so it can be on its way. Not to mention, because of all this stuff that is a PITA, repairs for evs charge an arm and a leg. I have had shops that i work with say, just because its an EV, we will charge u double, because a specialist has to come in.

[@discgolfer1000]

Can’t wait till someone has a emergency and is like hold on I need 2 hours to charge my car

[@djayjp]

Teslas yes, others no.

[@SkylarkTorch]

Yes yes, Tesla yes.

[@JasmineJu]

Gas pumps are heavily regulated and inspected annually to ensure reliability and fairness. I don't see why electric chargers should be any different.

[@chrismitchell6478]

The main cost for charging should be by KWH but I think a surcharge for time does make sense, say $2 for the first half hour, $4 for the second half hour, if you are charging for over an hour add $10. Because charging takes a while and this encourages people to get in, charge and get out, allowing others to charge.

[@collectorguy3919]

That's valid, except billing in the very first half hour is shady, like a $2 minimum at a gas pump. The trouble is with billing only by time, without clarity on the charge rate, and where chargers have an incentive to perform poorly to make the most money.

[@AustinWirl]

no, that disadvantages drivers of cars who have slower fast charge capabilities

[@chrismitchell6478]

@@AustinWirl The thing is you need something in place to encourage people to get off the station asap,

[@seankelly9196]

I live up in Kirkland lake area and saw a guy recently who had to get his Tesla towed back to his home in North Bay because of no infrastructure. 1 charger in town and it never works. Extreme cold kills these things.

[@oldmanlearningguitar446]

No extension cords either it would seem.

[@y2kxj]

@@oldmanlearningguitar446the 120v charger doesn’t work at -20 and colder...

[@oldmanlearningguitar446]

@@y2kxj Wrong. Efficiency falls at such temperatures but you can still charge an EV at that temperature (and where does the OP say it was below -20C?)

[@RobStLouis]

i wonder how many people in Government positions own or use an EV regularly? i would be very interested to find this info out. the charging infrastructure is definitely in need of improvements , and needed sooner not later

[@iam1smiley1]

Low usage.

[@shoham00]

Or how many of them drive at all? Few I would guess.

[@adamstilwell4209]

Well let's see, Trudeau takes a jet everywhere and doesn't pay carbon tax and Freeland takes a limo everywhere.

[@gary2984234]

Have yet to see an EV police car.

[@adamstilwell4209]

@@gary2984234 They don't have the range for a high speed chase.

[@trizvfx]

This is the worst reporting I've seen in a long time. Why would't the reporter ask what the average daily distance driven in the North America is? Because the answer wouldn't fit her predetermined narrative... the answer's typically in the range of 25 to 40 miles per day. Which for the average person who charges at home means they never have an issue.

[@riasat001]

When Toyota CEO said that he doesn't see pure EV cars on road anytime soon.

[@rp9674]

Why would he possibly discourage EVs and encourage gassers

[@MrAsh-cw5cq]

He's right

[@chanm01]

They got Guilbeault lookin like a man who sleeps under his desk. Lol. Not a job I'd wish on anyone right now. The whole 2035 mandate thing seems so undercooked. They should have just started with some smaller changes before announcing something so ambitious.

[@RC_2002]

🎯

[@yxeaviationphotog]

They could have put more emphasis on hybrids before going all electric. I don't know why they didn't do that in the first place.

[@raymondgagne8363]

Guilbeault, on transparency, of course not, we will not inform the consumer on cold weather distances and so on, charging station rates,….. we want people to buy electric car no matter what, people will absorb the hiccups and wrinkles 😢

[@kartikkr]

He's Teflon certified. Zero accountability.

[@deeplaysgaming4754]

The guy that said its still new and theres wrinkles, well if there isnt enough chargers it'll cause queuse at chargers that would put people off buying electric cars in the first place, its already a big problem for some people.

[@iaindowling8993]

Thank you for producing this show about electric cars. what I got out of the shows is how much of a learning curve there is in this change over to electric cars in that not only did (CBC Marketplace) not understand how to use charging and range in an electric car but also that not all electric cars are suitable for all use applications as the Leaf is an excellent town car but not suitable for trips and an electric car shouldn't be discharged below 40% or above 80%. The scariest part of the show was the problems faced in repairs. My opinion is that most residents of apartments in cities won't own an electric car instep a bike or scooter or as we have in Vancouver electric trolly busses.

[@salibaba]

That’s a misconception. Battery states of charge aren’t that problematic. Just don’t leave them sitting empty and cold for weeks. Same with full to the brim packs, don’t leave them sitting at 100% for weeks especially in the heat. That’s what degrades the chemistry of the packs gradually. You can go low anytime you need, just plug it in the same day you arrive where you’re going. Same with 100%, take it to full the night before you do a long trip. Don’t overthink it. Use it a bit like your phone, getting a bit low,- “I’ll plug it in”

[@iaindowling8993]

When traveling in cold wether it could be beneficial to be conservative in holding back some reserve battery capacity and staying below 80% to improve charging speed. There have also been some studies that indicate staying between 40 and 80% may improve battery life. @@salibaba

[@johnp139]

Learn how to write.

[@iaindowling8993]

I apologize for my poor writing and will attempt to improve .@@johnp139

[@evolv.e]

2:25 ..proceeds to drive 96.5% of the max estimated range. 🤦🏻 I wouldn’t even attempt that in a gas car.

[@VladMatejka]

I know I'm simplifying history a little, but remember that the emergence of gas vehicles met the same challenges. Fuel availability, parts availability, logistics, even roads good enough to drive on what a horse could traverse. The arguments back then was..."why risk losing fuel and breaking down when I have my trusty animal? It doesn't have the same problems." But then lo and behold as the automotive and oil sector wanted to grow they cried for support and funding and got it. Innovation and improvement requires buy-in and money. Electric is at the same crossroads. This all being said we learned some of these lessons once before. You'd think we would remember, except this time we have "big oil" and "big car" holding us back as well. I'm not sure "big horse" was as big of an influece lol. The leap from animal power to mechanical power was MASSIVE. electric just doesn't have the same obvious pizzaz. The benefits are more nuanced and long-term, which is harder for humans to grapple with in general. Governments have oil industries to support, but now electric and 'greener' power begging for a share of funding as well. There is no easy solution or transition, but we CAN do better.

[@detillieux]

You can't only think of your self. -20C is not even really that cold. Try -35 or -40 and it even gets cooler then that every year in MB, SK, AB. If it will get forced on all of Canada It should be reliable in all of Canada including the remote locations of the north. The billing should in kWh.

[@jptrainor]

12:24 ".... heating the cabin..." The heating load can be substantial on a bitter day. I've asked Tesla owners and was told the vehicle reports as much as 10 kW consumed by heating on a bitter cold day. It's not a crazy number, considering you're heating a poorly insulated metal box exposed to a 100+ km/h wind at, say, minus 20 C. 10 kW is equivalent to 13 hp of power. A car will use 20 ish plus/minus hp to cruise at highway speed. So you're looking at as much as half your stored energy used for heating on a bitter cold day. If you compare that to an ICEV, that substantial heating load is satisfied using waste heat. The net effect is the ICEV efficiency goes up on a cold day without otherwise impacting performance.

[@davidjames4915]

One of the dumbest things about the rollout of EVs that we've had is that no manufacturer seems to have thought of the simple expedient of putting a tiny gas and/or diesel heater in them: RVs use these things all the time and they cost like $200 (even as little as $100). Sometimes called "parking heaters" they're like mini oil furnaces. Yes, yes, you're using gas or diesel but unlike putting that in the tank of an ICEV and only getting about 25% of the energy out of it to move (and maybe as much again of the waste heat to heat with) these units likely have an efficiency better than 80%, possibly 90%, and since they're not burning under pressure as in an ICE there's far less of all the toxins being produced.

[@wyseeit]

Better keep an umbrella in the car. Not a roof in sight at any of these chargers. Btw this exposure to the elements probably accounts for the high equipment failure. Who's going to clear the snow after a 20-40cm snow dump

[@blackrocks8413]

my brother tried one. Lasted 9 months. 9 months of stress and coming up short. Now he has his gas car back and is pleased

[@trevinom69]

According to statistics, 95% of consumer's daily driving is 31 miles. Standard chargers can put in 10kilowatts overnight (8 hoursx120Vx15amps). Even the most inefficient EV's can do 300 watts per mile. So on average, you can add 40 miles of range per night. Tesla's can do 200Watts per mile, so that's 50 miles a night. If you leave your car plugged in over the weekend, you can top off your battery and then do incremental charges during the weekdays. When you go on vacation, you can rent a gas-powered vehicle if you are worried about range. Otherwise, range-anxiety shouldn't be an issue if you only go on vacation once or twice a year. New batteries coming into the market later this year perform as well if not better in cold weather. That's no longer an issue. Also, LFP battery chemistries coming into the marking by CATL and others increase the speed of charge and total range. EV's are at their infancy, give them another 10 or so years to mature and it will dwarf Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) technology. These are just growing pains while the technology matures. As it is, it's already cutting down our overall oil consumption even though only 7% of vehicles on the road worldwide are EV's. There's no turning back.

[@KWB902]

All the issues with EVs will evaporate within a few years as the technology evolves. They are the flip phones of what's to come, the future is going to be amazing in this sector.

[@mykeprior3436]

or the blackberry, lol

[@nuxkamina]

More like 2050. We can still run our old cars, this would be new cars have to be EV 2035 on.

[@benhaze1010]

There is a much bigger issue than the gas expenses for this folk: the 1-year depreciation on his Ioniq 5 is going to cost him a lot more. And yes this Minister has been struggling for a long time doing his job.

[@humanresources3545]

Depreciating is no worse than on ICE vehicles. Ioniq 5 is a good value EV.

[@jonathancunningham8739]

For most EVs that is not true they deprecate much more then ICE cars at the moment.@@humanresources3545

[@KillerKombo-x4m]

@@humanresources3545 LMAO no.

[@brucemacneil]

That is simply not true.

[@craigmilton9892]

At our local Hyundai dealership, the used Ioniq 5s were selling for more than the new ones. I know from personal experience.

[@manhdao8887]

Mr. Minister, please take these very valid points and make them reality! Cold-weather range mandatory, charged by kWh, more accessible and reliable charging infrastructure (set your yearly incremental targets based on accessibility and reliability of gas filling infrastructure).

[@MarkRobsononthego]

Do petrol cars have to post a winter range as well? How accurate are they at predicting range? Even less as far as my experience says. The main difference is that there are more gas stations that are more convenient. Charging stations will increase at more convenient locations as there are more EV’s on the road. It is busy happening….

[@gary2984234]

On a cold day, short trips on ICE are going suck gas, but on a longer commute (over 15mins) they don't lose anywhere near the range of an ev. Furthermore, my 15 year old ICE car will get about the same mileage it did when it was new Can that be said for an EV even half or even a quarter of that age?

[@loppydisk]

The only way I'd buy an electric car is if I could tow a diesel generator.

[@SkylarkTorch]

Apparently that's actuality the plan for some, including the RAM Charger. I think doing this would actually still be an efficiency improvement.

[@aidangattinger8975]

Same idea as what top gear did with there ev.

[@tonespeaks]

If you watch this show, you'd think EVs are nothing but problems!!!! This show is a little contrived, they only showed Highway driving between Cities, No good charging sessions, and argued about prices like all Gas Stations have the same price. There was an EV where the owner had to wait 1 year to have the battery replaced, like that is routine???

[@idcraw]

You should go out and shine your Tesla and I will go shine my Hot Rod. What ever make you happy.

[@AS-oz6ep]

Gas prices are all displayed in the same units (at least in this country), and while there is some variation between stations, it’s nowhere near as large as the near 100% difference in price shown in this video for EV charging.

[@tonespeaks]

@@AS-oz6ep I agree with most of your reply, but....I think Marketplace, forgot to mention that some of this is caused by regulations. Secondly, most people charge at home, because of the cheap rates. What wasn't mentioned is that over 80% of the people who own EVs love their vehicles and wouldn't go back. This is mainly to do with the cost savings and ease of use. Once you have a little experience with EVs, all of these minor issues, are simply minor issues. The bottomline is that EVs are a huge cost saving.

[@tonespeaks]

@@idcraw I like Hot Rods, what are you driving??

[@AS-oz6ep]

@@tonespeaks Most people charge at home, because the only people buying EVs have that ability. People who live in condos or apartments or park on the street cannot do that. And at $0.50/kwh, that'd be $42.50 to "fill up" an 85kwh battery. Which isn't enough to go from Pickering to Ottawa (as per the video). So.. the "savings" vs. gas just aren't that much, if at all (compare with an ICE car that gets 7.5l/100km, and it'd cost $45 to go 400km at $1.50/L) .. certainly not enough to pay off the price premium of a BEV in a reasonable time.

[@LukeWaterloo]

Everyone, including the CBC, are missing the BIG picture here. The charging stations are one thing, that’s an easy fix. The problem Ontarian’s will be faced with, is a rapidly growing population, electrifying industry and with out aging nuclear reactors, demand will simply outpace generation capacity.

[@TeslacamTales]

Owned an EV for near 9 years, and have completed 17 8000km+ road trips across Canada and the United States. I will agree there is a learning curve with EVs, but cold weather driving with EVs is not as big as a deal as being reported ... in my opinion. Norway and Sweden don't have issue with cold weather because their charging infrastructure is top notch. The biggest mistake I've see with new EV owners have is charging their vehicle at 100% instead of charging to 60-80% on long distance trips.

[@rantzqu7612]

Hold on to your gas vehicles, this ain't gonna end well

[@jamesphillips2285]

For fast charging (and even L2 charging) you do NOT want per kWh pricing: because the parking space at the charger is valuable. For L3 charging: the first 20-80% of charge goes MUCH faster than the last 20%. If one really needs that extra range: they should either do the last 20% on an L2 charger with a cheaper per hour rate; or pay a premium for continuing to occupy the fast charging spot.

[@Myiata1979]

All going for the car lobbying in Canada.Why politics do not invest more in public transportation???Canada falls behind a lot of developed countries on public infrastructures regarding transportation!

[@whiskybrush3219]

Yeah supposing that right now the cars functioned at optimal levels, charging stations worked consistently at a regulated price system, the power grid still could not uphold this new add on onto the infrastructure. And btw, -20 is just regular cold. Not extreme cold. -35 and below is extreme cold. Very surprised the CBC aired this piece. Somebody is gona get fire for sure 😂

[@nigelbayliss543]

A few missed points, the Tesla does recalculate estimated range through the energy app on the car to also predict distance using updated, battery temp, current speed, elevations, air temp. I use the estimated range with the navigation along with referring to the energy app and have never had any range anxiety. I agree it can be better but there are many variables effecting range more so than with an gas vehicle

[@jerrymckay9775]

Shouldn’t these companies be paying us for our time to wait at the charging stations? Every hour we wait! After hall our time is money right? What am I supposed to do for the wait as the car charges?

[@bokz4482]

So with the amount of EV and PHEV Alberta has at the moment we already struggled with power just a few weeks ago due to extreme cold conditions that resulted with province wide warning to lower our power usage

[@Joey_Lance]

Electric cars suck, they’re pointless.

[@bokz4482]

I'm not against EV or PHEV but we have to be realistic that our current tech and battery options doesn't go well will Canadian winters, also anything related with EV battery is to me an uncharted territory with insurance and replacement prices. To replace a damaged Ioniq 5 battery cost 60kCAD and is not covered under warranty if you accidentally damage it, regular insurance also doesn't cover EV batteries, you'll have to get a separate battery insurance. Battery life is also something we have to consider with our extreme winters here in Canada, charging is not the only thing we have to look at, the source of the energy you put in your battery should also be considered.

[@Srt71972]

You get about 420kms per charge? Crazy. Not to mention having to charge it at a location and find out they don’t work or having to wait for one to be available. Imagine if you’re in an emergency and you don’t have enough charge in the battery to get to where you have to go. I would go hybrid, but would not ever switch to either. Imagine the repairs on them. This would set you way back and if your on a tight budget your screwed. Stick to gas.

[@FirstLast-et3sw]

Yeah, I’d love to see Miss Technician try to rebuild the stater or diagnose the motor. Give me a break. As for the reporter….seeking out third party charging stations when superchargers are available is idiotic.

[@davidpaul6615]

Gasoline is easily found & takes few min to fill. Thx.

[@Nic-cr8hw]

Don’t really think EV‘s are capable of towing my fifth wheel and a boat so until that happens, I’m not even gonna consider

[@SkylarkTorch]

I like the angle Stellantis is coming from. The RAM Charger concept uses an engine to charge a battery, which powers the drivetrain. It's different from a hybrid, as it's an all electric drivetrain... just with an onboard engine charging it. The torque should be fantastic, and efficiency with range are both much higher than a typical truck. I think THIS is the right way to go for towing efficiency.

[@earthjustice01]

ditch the fifth wheel and the boat and you're good to go!

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

Unproven technology. I haven't seen one single RAM Charger, let alone one pulling a 5th wheel. Want to buy some land in Florida?

[@JonnyFlash80]

First world problems. Me Me Me. Keep driving that gas-guzzler Ram Rancher. 🙄

[@davidbeckenbaugh9598]

"It's an emerging sector so, of course, there are going to be wrinkles....". To put it plainly, every single one of these EV's and the way they charge is EXPERIMENTAL. We just bought a Toyota Camry Hybrid rated at 50 mpg (21.25 kpl) and we do not have to worry about driving 50 km out of the way just to charge it. EV's vs vehicles you can rely on. I choose reliabilty.

[@NocturneS711]

Having a PHEV and no charger in my building is already so annoying for me. I will choose either MHEV or gas vehicles without a doubt if I were to choose again.

[@owenjbrady]

let's see the range when it's -60c with the wind chill here in Saskatoon

[@RockyMountainTesla]

Windchill won’t make a difference. Drove around Calgary for 7 hours, out and about at -30C, used 56% of long range battery (75 kWh Model Y) keeping the cabin warm the whole time. Other ICE cars wouldn’t start, and we can warm up ours in a garage.

[@owenjbrady]

@@RockyMountainTesla well it's still -45 without the wind, I can't imagine the range is very good, how many times did you stop to charge ?

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

Wind chill is what the temperature feels like on human skin, not a vehicle.

[@daneshj4013]

Just want to say I love CBC reporting ❤

[@lym39599]

The main problem of EV in Canada is the powerplant. If there is no enough electricity, there will be no fast charging or maybe even suffer more expensive cost comparing to gasoline or desil. And the build quality and quantity of the charging stations are also questionable.

[@drew_canada]

What are your qualifications to provide comments on Ontario's power plants?

[@aidangattinger8975]

I know for NB that something like half our daily electric production is gas and diesel. Having these Evs just changes where the fossil fuels are burned.

[@lym39599]

@@drew_canada So tell me why they decided to extend the 50 years old Pickering nuclear plant which was planned to fully retire in 2025 for anothet 30 years? Ontario has a insufficient power issue.

[@drew_canada]

​@@lym39599 They are planning for the future, that is true, but if you search "Ontario Has excess power" you can learn more about our current surplus of power and how it is going to waste. My main point is, many of us (including me) are not qualified to say the grid cannot handle Ev's because they really don't know and just reiterating what others have said.

[@panama-canada]

EVs don’t work in Canada or low temperature climates. Because battery loses 30% of charge in cold. Plus if you turn on the heat inside of a car, the range drops by another 50%.