Ta-Nehisi Coates on the power of stories, new book, "The Message"

[@natalie8354]

This host’s very first comment about stripping away Ta-Nehisi’s name, accolades, and awards, and that the section of his book would fit in an EXTREMIST’s backpack, set the tone. Shocking, offensive, very aggressive, and extremely biased.

[@harlequeen93]

I also read that as him trying to delegitimize Coates' intelligence to try to further his own biased POV. "If it was anyone else..." but it isn't. Coates' accolades MATTER and give him AUTHORITY on the subject. That's like journalism 101, establishing credibility to speak on the topic at hand. You'd think as a journalist that Tony guy would understand that you can't just "strip away" an expert's accomplishments like that.

[@Matthius311]

Look into who owns the company that owns the news network he is on, who owns the companies that advertise on that network, and who owns the banks they all keep their money in and it all immediately makes sense.

[@juncrow2007]

Yep, and also both of the male interviewers repeatedly mis-pronounced the author's first name.

[@graceomalley4]

Well said

[@adamjaskowiak4946]

He's a white man who recently converted to zionism (he'd say Judaism but I think we all know better). He's just looking for his cut of stolen Palestinian land.

[@88bobcat]

A master class in how to handle mainstream media talking points

[@MarcelsMeinung]

Those are Zionist talking points.

[@lindaalexander1948]

That so obviously was not a mainstream media talking point. That particular host was apparently Jewish, and he asked his question with the opinion that Coates had written that section of the book with an antisemitic viewpoint and he was angry about it. The other 2 hosts probably didn't read it that way.

[@jchan9761]

@@lindaalexander1948 The mainstream media 1) rarely if ever acknowledge the illegal settlements and the violent displacement of palestinians families there, 2) focus on Oct 7th and never the killing of 200 unarmed Gazans the IDF in 2018, 3) never report the many incidences of Palestinian children shot by IDF and settlers.

[@kellenwaters9087]

@@lindaalexander1948 What?! lol! How ridiculous it is to believe that the mainstream media ISN'T controlled by the zionist mafia. They never fact check Israel's lies and even report them at face value.

[@saphire2214]

@@lindaalexander1948Mainstream media has adopted the Israeli government's talking points for decades. (You can thank AIPAC for that) It's the reason you hear the same “Israel has the right to defend themselves” message across all mainstream platforms like a chant. The mere idea that if one seeks to humanize the Palestinian people it means they are antisemitic is a crazy accusation for the interviewer to make but this has been the mainstream media’s MO for decades. Coates handled this interview masterfully.

[@radiantbladez]

Brother answered these off script questions beautifully and kept immaculate composure. Protect him at all costs.

[@I922sParkCir]

It's an interview, there is no script. Coates got asked hard questions that I think are appropriate to be asked and he did a fantastic job.

[@radiantbladez]

@@I922sParkCir there's a loose script. He confirmed that before the interview Gale gave him a rundown of the questions she was going to ask him. Obviously we see that she wasn't given a chance to ask anything because of Tony's biases which is not proper journalist behavior.

[@I922sParkCir]

@@radiantbladez Tony clearly had some bias, but was respectful. Coates was given the opportunity to answer and hit everything he was challenged on. I think if Tony wasn't there this would have been an uninteresting puff segment and instead we got deep insight on the core of Coates thought process. Tony gave Coates an opportunity to turn the interview into something interesting and Coates delivered. Interviews on controversial topics should have an adversarial element to them because because that adds depth to the conversation. That death penalty analogy was perfectly apt and we wouldn't have gotten there otherwise.

[@steve-v2g]

​@@I922sParkCircalling someone a terrorist isn't respectful. He's racist like you 😂

[@I922sParkCir]

@@steve-v2g Throwing "racist" out there like that isn't helping. When you hurl the accusation of racism around when it's inappropriate you weaken any impact it has.

[@talitam.8414]

I'm glad Ta-Nehisi didn''t take the bait and stayed calm and VERY clear. Great job! I could never! Lol. Man, my blood was boiling...how can you say someone is an "extremist" because he's not for Apartheid? Tony was this close to call him antisemitic, Lord!😪

[@GennaSt]

Would Tony bring apartheid back to the US? If it’s okay there, it must be okay here in this pluralistic country? If there is a distinction what is it that creates a permanent underclass?

[@thaliahall4599]

Yes, unfortunately that's the first thing some people claim if someone speaks out against Israel or just parts of the Jewish Community!

[@leiannb.wrytes8893]

@@GennaStI would not be surprised if he would. Hr certainly argued for it.

[@SomeGuy-xd9wz]

He did basically call him an antisemitic but he takes the long route to say it, when he says "What is it that so particularly offends you about the existence of a JEWISH state that is a JEWISH safe place and not any of the other states out there?" he's basically saying "Why are you antisemitic?" he keeps emphasizing Jewish in his question and making it seem that Coates is criticizing Jewish people and their existence, but when people criticize Israel they only criticize the government of Israel not the jewish religion or jewish people

[@MRLONG758]

​@@SomeGuy-xd9wz bingo. He called him an anti semite without saying it directly

[@drancealot]

The host is like. "okay okay, it's apartheid but you never mention that maybe these people deserve apartheid.". Seriously?

[@kosherwatermelonproductions]

Was very heartbroken when a Zionist best friend of mine responded to “Why would I ever support an ethnostate, why is that ever justifiable?” with “You don’t think there’s any chance it could ever be?” like WHAT?!

[@TheShugaPlum]

Jewish Supremecy is real.

[@TheShugaPlum]

EXACTLY! That's because Zionist don't view the indigenous people of that land as ACTUALLY HUMAN.

[@Snacks256]

@@kosherwatermelonproductions Do you realize that the entire Middle East is comprised of ethnostates that have suppressed or ethnically cleansed non-Muslims and non-Arabs? Do you want to talk about what happened to Kurds in Iraq? Do you want to read about how Jews were treated in Yemen? How do you propose those people escape and protect themselves from that kind of discrimination? Do you ever think about what an incredibly privileged take it is to say "no one should get to have ethnostates" when the majority of countries have established themselves by BEING ethnostates, and you're simply fortunate enough not to be one of the minorities left in limbo?

[@jineshlachmansingh4709]

It's absolutely wild that Coates has to argue that Palestinians are people too...

[@BOBMAN1980]

"What is the Palestinians' role in this?" Dude seriously implied Palestinians deserve to be treated as Third-Class citizens. And he still has a job.

[@daliasieger8065]

Actually the checkpoint were only created and enforced bc of the intifadas and terrorist attacks. So there is 100% a role on their end for their living conditions. As well as they have a govt that gets billions of dollars in aid and should take care of themselves instead of asking Israelis to provide everything.

[@hannamiyir4020]

Exactly! Mind blowing.

[@amitmichaeli9019]

So ignorant and getting so much support form others who know nothing. My first Job, as an Israeli Jew, was at a Muslim Israeli biotechnology company, with an Israeli government R&D grant. West Bank and Gaza Muslims never wanted an Israeli citizenship, they want to establish their own state and use violence. So this is not a racial apartheid! This is a practical separation. If you use violence against the government to establish your own country, you will be treated differently in ALL countries!

[@heem6619]

@@amitmichaeli9019 Wait till you find out about how Israel was established...

[@amitmichaeli9019]

@@heem6619 Tell me, oh knowledgeable one!

[@kevincurrie-knight3267]

Wow! Coates had GREAT responses to those questions! I, for one, am going to follow his 20 second message and read the book. But unlike the co-host, I will read all three chapters.

[@ernestdoyle6937]

Are we watching the same interview? He looked like a fool.

[@richardmcintosh3383]

The interviewer did look like a fool​@@ernestdoyle6937

[@robbaydj]

I guess there 183 fools and 1 smart person

[@AH-hy8ep]

Omg you’re so right!

[@menotu4870]

@@ernestdoyle6937 Stop looking in the mirror, Ernest!

[@bernardwylie9760]

“Countries don’t establish their right to exist thru rights….they do it through force” -very well said and any political scientist or theorist would agree. The most powerful nations today are those that have the greatest capacity to enforce and project their monopoly on the use of force.

[@thaliahall4599]

So true! Mr Coates has traveled, interviewed various sides involved in conflicts in various parts of the World and this Country! This host should not have tried to argue and make it known that he is pro Israel only and basically, all the conflict is the Palestinians fault and other Middle Eastern Nations! Mr Coates is right, most ethnic groups & races today can't argue it is their right to claim & exist in an area they invaded & took over years ago. They can say they have a right to live, work, pursue happiness like all others in the same region or country.

[@beezusHrist]

Violence, not force....

[@waytoobiased]

this is what gets me about the “right to exist” line. Even if I believe that Israel’s existence is a force for good in the world, that doesn’t mean it has a right to exist. Likewise with any Palestinian state, or any other state anywhere else. Perhaps the existence of a state is good, or perhaps it is not. That doesn’t give a state a right to exist.

[@Sturgeon54]

@@bernardwylie9760 Of course, and that includes Israel and its responsibility to protect its population from violence. Isn't your implying Israel doesn't have that right because it's Jewish the very definition of racism?

[@bernardwylie9760]

@@Sturgeon54 it doesn’t have that right because it is Jewish. It has the monopoly because it has 1000 pound US-made bombs at its disposal and you know that. Stop trying to make this about what it is not, and address what it is about.

[@lechevalierrouge]

Imagine hearing about a people living under apartheid conditions and your first thought is ”well, they must not have done enough to get their rights”

[@greenwooddistrictstudios]

As a black man, I know dude is SCREAMIN inside while maintaining the composure we are expected to have in these moments. Kudos in the way he handled this situation!

[@TratUsYT]

Absolutely. I’m glad he didn’t get super angry about it but he should have pushed back a lot harder especially on the extemist statement. That was disgusting.

[@greenwooddistrictstudios]

@@TratUsYT Agreed!

[@Ying.yang.1]

100 percent agree with you.i was screaming inside watching it as a Blackman.Supporting apartheid against the Palestinians is like being black and supporting slavery against Black people we will never support the oppression of people because we have been through it

[@claremccloskey8924]

It is beyond outrageous, beyond offensive to be expected to maintain composure in that situation. Like, I just watched a network allow a guest to be bullied while somehow making him responsible for his own bullying. I'm so angry my bones could fly out from my skin

[@B.Latifa545]

Im not black ..am not a man ..but maaan I was screeeaming for him 😮

[@ss-yt3946]

I never post comments on KZbin, but the conduct from the host was surprisingly vile. And there are simple well documented answers to the false premises he tries to establish, so it’s clear what he’s trying to do. “If the Palestinians want equality, why don’t they do something about it?” Give me a break!

[@rr3zart]

I don’t think it’s just this particular host, but rather our entire mainstream media from Fox to New York Times that maintains such false premise and narrative.

[@ChrisAlbertH47]

I agree with you except for the surprising part. That there is inherent racism and discrimination that sometimes bubbles to the surface during discussions on sensitive issues isn't surprising in western media.

[@cajunguy6502]

​@@ChrisAlbertH47 only one side ever takes it to that place, my dude. I'll let you guess which

[@thomasholland498]

Kanye was right!!

[@charlesahweyevu]

Vile is hyperbolic. The host was respectful to coates. He just stated his honest feelings. They are cordial and respectful towards each other. He had no vility or malice towards coates. He was just being critical of his work through his lens and perspective.

[@flaggaaron123]

“No country in this world establishes its ability to exist through rights. Countries establish their ability to exist through force.” YES!!

[@bloopbloop0000]

What's the logical conclusion(s) of this position?

[@flaggaaron123]

@@bloopbloop0000 It’s a statement of fact not a position.

[@bloopbloop0000]

@@flaggaaron123 What is the logical conclusion of whatever it is?

[@vicm6561]

Damn do they not teach world history in schools anymore ? This is nothing new .

[@bloopbloop0000]

@@vicm6561 all I’m asking for is the logical conclusion of this “fact.” No one seems to want to provide it.

[@JuiceTeaBeans]

“Killing humans is bad.” Tony - “But…” This was a great reminder of why I stopped watching mainstream media. Was only here for TNC. If you are biased, step aside and let others PROMOTE the book which was the entire reason for the segment. Tony’s ego and entitlement filled up the entire room.

[@sam4soph1]

Man, but Ta-Nehisi just destroyed that interview. Dude is a legend.

[@MsM-y3d]

​@@sam4soph1he's been a reporter in the field for 20 years. An expert for the most part 😊

[@dvderek]

So when Tony asked about bombings at cafes and buses and hotels in Israel which killed children etc, by your logic Coates supports all of that because he didn't accept Tony's argument? Acting like saying "killing humans is bad" will immediately solve every problem shows how shallow and contrived yalls understanding is. Why is it bad then to bring up October 7 if the only axiom we care about is "killing is bad"? Killing IDF soldiers is also bad then? You guys are straight up bots

[@ginastitcheries255]

i was only here for TNC; too!

[@ubroc]

Which is why the West Bank apartheid exists

[@nadiiiine89]

The host not seeing the Palestinians are humans worthy and trying to justify apartheid is truly sickening. He should be removed. Shame on CBS

[@linseylinsey]

He said exactly the opposite. He asked why their agency wasn't mentioned in the book. Many people take a paternalistic view of people when they view them as "needing help." It sounded to me like this book about a difficult topic garnered difficult questions. These are two journalists trained to ask and answer tough questions. They even ended the interview in a good place, with the interviewer inviting him to high holidays that start this week. Part of Judaism and Jewish culture is "arguing" in order to learn. It's not about glossing over stuff, but having conversations with opposing views to learn and grow. And you shake hands and leave with respect for the other person, just as you entered the conversation. That's what I saw here.

[@JoebooSauce]

​@@linseylinseyhe kept parroting the same US and Izzy give talking points. Izzy is an apartheid state per human rights watch, Amnesty Intl and Bt'selem, reports issued e years ago censored by the US media.

[@linseylinsey]

@@JoebooSauce hmm, I'm a little skeptical of someone who can't even type "Israel" providing me with factual information. There are a lot of corrupt and biased orgs out there.

[@K.McMillan-YINpreneur]

@@linseylinsey it’s what you saw because Ta-nehisi Coates responded so eloquently and passionately. The CBS journalist was not arguing, and his attempt to antagonize failed miserably. 👏🏽 I’ll also read the entire book to appreciate Mr. Coates perspective on authors and writing.

[@mbvbac]

@@linseylinseyNo, he just repeated Israeli government talking points and didn’t humanise Palestinians.

[@chalinaclayton5136]

Ta-Nehisi Coates has a right to speak on his experience just as anyone. Thank You Mr. Coates for standing your ground.

[@overtonpendulum2071]

He is a hypocrite. In this very interview he said he always stand up to people who don't have a voice, yet he supports the mainstream view on race supported by every major institution, but wont' stand up to racial dissenters who are censored, smeared, fired and de-banked.

[@Abu_Shimshi]

He have a right, but when you pull from history your favorite parts and leave out what doesn’t fit the narrative you are a liar, not someone who should have any credibility.

[@icoachsuperstars]

Did my man Tony intentionally try to frame what TNC wrote about Israeli apartheid and oppression of Palestinians as “extremism?” Very unprofessional and irresponsible behavior from a TV journalist and amateur apartheid apologist. He also demonstrates the solid premise of TNC’s book, that what stories are told and how they are told matters. Human lives are at stake.

[@yanceyh.1850]

Is Tony Jewish ?

[@teodoraSBP]

@@yanceyh.1850 in 2014 self reported as converted to Judaism

[@alexandrajackson8498]

He sure did!!

[@kellenwaters9087]

@@teodoraSBP Some people get certified in their profession to enhance their careers; Tony converts to an entire religion to enhance his. Talk about a shell of a human being.

[@deh2118]

@@yanceyh.1850His ex wife is from Israel

[@marriamanjum9596]

Incredibly disappointing to see how Tony’s line of questioning is so biased with his personal support of Israel. So unprofessional, this could have been such an informative interview about the book - CBS needs to do something about this

[@itaintjustmee]

he was playing devils advocate

[@ernestdoyle6937]

I mean, they stopped platforming extremism. This is the most relevant and courageous thing I've ever seen a morning show do.

[@WattersWaveYo]

​@@itaintjustmeeNah. He was playing an AIPAC puppet.

[@IbnGreenberg]

CBS needs to something about this? This man may truly disagree with Israeli criticism but make no mistake ALL mainstream media is against Israeli criticism.

[@tackertgrantzh]

@@itaintjustmee he was being the devil in this case! The scary thing is that his type dominates in mainstream media and that's why America is going to hell.

[@YeTism]

They’re all liberals until it’s time to talk about Israel..

[@pugachevskobra5636]

Yup. And then they'll gladly align with avowed fascists. That's their default position anyway but you see it even more whenever discussions about Palestinian rights are pushed to the forefront.

[@topcatmatt]

​@@pugachevskobra5636 scratch a liberal....

[@loveyaback123]

Very disgusting behavior from that one “reporter”. Using the same talking points people have used to justify apartheid in South Africa and the oppression of Black people in Jim Crow.

[@victorpradha9946]

History is replete with those that fronted the notion that they bring ORDER to a society gravely in need of THEIR structure. Colonialism was predicated on this strategy. What followed was hardly anything resembling order for the indigenous. THIS is not an argument that white European colonialists are histories most recent villains, because there is no argument that SOME of them do indeed reside among that class of such exploiters and destroyers. This is to say that there is a cowardly refuge among the most modern oppressors that they sought to bring "order" but made mistakes and somehow that either exonerates them of the evils that their "order" brought or that it diminishes the injuries that their evil wrought!

[@duhduhduhdiesel1436]

Israel supported apartheid South Africa, even though the apartheid government was 'anti-semitic'

[@forthesnowflakes7691]

That one reporter didn't disclose he has personal biases, which is why he and many others see this one sided.

[@queenkayenandi9322]

@@forthesnowflakes7691that whole morning crew is ridiculous. I stopped watching years ago. I’ve now lost a lot of respect for Tony. I’m only here for Ta’Nehisi.

[@thaliahall4599]

Exactly!

[@bernardwylie9760]

Tony, it’s not the existence of a Jewish state that offends me, Ta-Nehisi or any of us as African Americans….it is any state built upon apartheid and that’s something we will always guard against given our history. It is also not lost of us the ignorance of most YT Americans to these historical linkages. It’s also why it was South Africa that presented the case against Israel at the ICC. We know the horrific impacts apartheid and Jim Crow had on our countries, why would we ever condone the Israelis doing that to Palestinians?

[@jasonwhite6463]

Tony's ex-wife and kids live in Israel that is why he is so triggered. He should have acknowledged his bias from the start. Coates handled him quite well.

[@bernardwylie9760]

@@jasonwhite6463 thanks for that Jason. I was aware of Tony’s Israeli connections as well, and you are correct, in the interests of journalistic ethics, that should’ve been acknowledged during the segment.

[@helenahanley]

How did the usa enable south african apartheid.

[@QuietRefl4378]

​@@helenahanley By allowing the SA government to profit from trade with the US and waiting until the 1980s to apply federal government sanctions.

[@bernardwylie9760]

@@helenahanley answer: by not rejecting the racist Apartheid regime until after civil rights leaders here began calling attention to black South Africans plight, Mandela’s imprisonment, global anti-apartheid campaigning, etc. But another point is we had racial apartheid in the US as well and it was called Jim Crow.

[@russhowison4215]

Man he nailed it! Kudos to Ta-Nehisi for holding his ground on his conviction and his moral clarity. ❤

[@monapatel2486]

I’m so proud of this comment section. Ta-Nehisi has a brilliant mind and he just displayed that beautifully in this interview

[@sandralarson-gonzales3797]

No, he’s racist

[@glennsimonsen8421]

I would love to do a knowledge survey here on what people know about Israel-Palestine. Full on ignorance in these comments.

[@billusher2265]

@@glennsimonsen8421 so you know more than the United Nations, human rights watch, amnesty international, the international criminal court, the international court of Justice, Oxfam, btselem, and even the former head of Mossad and former head of Shin Bet lol?

[@cryterionYT]

Tony Dokoupil should be removed as a host. This is not news coverage this is a hostile attack towards the guest because it goes against his own biases

[@denisealtheimer3826]

@@cryterionYT I agree. He’s been doing that in his reporting since October. He’s clinging to the either or binary and conflating the desire for Palestinian people to freely exist with anti-semitism. This is what prevents meaningful and “heartful” dialogue.

[@ernestdoyle6937]

He should be promoted to head of the division.

[@user-jx3cr6hb2j]

His kids live in Israel 🙄

[@ktm4042]

Hes a mouthpiece for the status quo. They aren't removing him.

[@AH-hy8ep]

THIS!

[@WhatNowPodcast]

Ta-Nehisi Coates joins us on the podcast after this CBS interview! kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3vYaJaFrsmHY7s Full episode airs Oct 10th!

[@Miramadeulook]

You either support apartheid or you don't? Reporter: That's an extreme position. Sure, sir. Sure.

[@mckenleymason1212]

Sad right?

[@jamesorsby7553]

Lol... That's what you say when you don't want folks to know what side you'd sound like you're supporting.

[@IslandVibez_Virgo]

Truly wild times we’re living in… saying apartheid is wrong makes you “extreme 🫠

[@imtryinghere1]

The reporter is either skeptical that it is apartheid or didn't understand why the book was so unilateral in its criticism of Israel. His questions were actually legitimate in getting TNC to clarify how he views the totality of the situation between the Palestinians and Israelis.

[@ChrisAlbertH47]

@@imtryinghere1 Right, it's always appropriate to question someone's views by immediately likening them to an extremist terrorist bomber (if you don't know what I'm talking about, notice Tony Douchepil "backpack" reference)

[@cherylhead681]

I really appreciate Ta-Nehisi challenging the way the question was framed. A call for equality for Palestinians; a yearning for a cease fire in Gaza is not a claim that Israel has no right to exist. Of course it does. But equating any challenge of the status quo of Israeli policy with anti-Semitism is disingenuous.

[@IbnGreenberg]

BINGO!

[@MrBogus213]

Perfectly said. Tony Dokoupil behaved in an incredibly unprofessional and disrespectful manner. The hostility of this "interview" (attack) is unbelievable.

[@Gojo_lives_on]

No state has the “right” to exist. That’s not how it works. A people do have a right to self determination but a state entity does not share that right. Especially when they abuse their powers repeatedly in acts of oppression

[@thaliahall4599]

Agree Totally! Saying Palestinians have the right to live and pursue happiness and a place to live definitely does not mean Israel does not have the right to exist. It is sad when ppl have a one sided biased view believing in Israel's rights but no rights for the Palestinians.

[@simonkapadia7582]

No actually he was very much saying Israel doesn't have a right to exist, but rather that it exists as a factual matter. His entire point, and this is true from a legal and political theoretical sense, is that "being a state" is a purely power-political reality. If you understand the legal determinants of statehood, the lack of adjudication, the practical distinctions between states and non-states, you recognise that being a state is largely a function or power, control and recognition by other powerful actors. Indeed, in some respects Palestine and Israel meet the same basic criteria for statehood, Israel does not have a fixed set of geographical boundaries, nor has it ever had, it has disputed territories, some of which are explicitly considered to be occupied territories, or illegally annexed territories in other cases. The actual point is that the narrative around 'right to exist' is purely a political narrative, it's a formulation intended to evoke the concept of existential threat, which does not exist, but is constantly stressed in propaganda. For instance, the argument that Hamas would destroy Israel. How? It lacks, and has always lacked the capacity to achieve even the tiniest fraction of that aspiration. By contrast Israel has destroyed Gaza, it has taken almost all of Palestine, it has engaged in illegal settlements, and in collective punishment, in apartheid, in illegal detentions, torture and abuse of detainees, extrajudicial killings, the list goes on. The rhetoric of right to exist is itself part of the problem in the US. It's intended to evoke a threat that can be used to justify . . what has become a consistent flurry of violations of international humanitarian law, as well as jus ad bellum.

[@BabHypatie]

Buy his book. He deserves all the support.

[@mu_sff]

Tony literally has his kids being raised in Israel. There is no way he’s could ever be objective on this issue or see anyone speaking facts about Palestinians right and statehood. Facts don’t care about your feelings, Tony. Let me go buy this book.

[@linseylinsey]

Can I ask why this conversation needed to be free of bias? That's impossible. Coates is an intelligent journalist. Why can't he handle hard hitting questions? He seemed to do just fine, no? It's the weird infantilization and anger that anyone could have a differing opinion that's a big yikes for me.

[@orochi235]

no one is stopping you lol. you could certainly get better value for your money if you bought something else though

[@JoebooSauce]

These so called journalists just parrot the US govt talking points about that certain country and that the issue is controversial. It's NOT controversial when the top 3 human rights orgs say it's an apart.heede state. YT censors comments critical of said state. Google that A word and HRW, AI, Bt'selem. Remember, who were the last ones to support the South African state when it was run by the whites? Good ol Uncle Sam and that other country that i cannot mention.

[@kris-mckeon1967]

@@linseylinsey the issue was Tony kept asking him the same question several times. This wasn't an interview about his book, it was an interrogation! Secondly, Tony was the ONLY one asking him questions too, while Nate and Gayle just sat quietly. Thirdly, after another reporter, Imtiaz Tyab, who reported from Lebanon finished reporting, Tony made some inappropriate comments, that Imtiaz gave a strange look! If you're going to be biased, he shouldn't be reporting on this subject, and the network, for a long time didn't have him commenting on the subject! All these networks are ONE-SIDED! Not good journalism when you attack your guess, especially in that manner. As I said, this wasn't an interview, it was an interrogation!

[@menotu4870]

This, from CBS Sunday Morning, is very apt: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hH_GoGealt52Z68

[@mjbroadwater208]

Disappointed that only one of the three co-anchors, Tony Dokoupil, was given license and free reign to "highjack" the entire interview with Ta-Nehisi Coates to discuss a "portion" of the book that he interpreted as a "personal affront" to his belief system. @Gayle and @Nate, where was the "balance and objectivity" expected among great journalists? I wanted to hear about Columbia, SC and its book banning attempts! Can"t wait to hear more from Ta-Nehisi tomorrow in Baltimore. Hopefully, the interviewer will be more balanced. CBS Morning News, you owe Mr. Coates a public apology for this so-called interview. 😢

[@GennaSt]

It did not have integrity. I don’t believe CBS owes Coates a public apology. The 3 interviewers owe the audience an apology for not giving a balanced presentation. Did they read the book?

[@DoctorQcumber]

Check out the his interview on the daily show. He was the best guest I've seen on there in a long time

[@محموداحمد-د6د]

""balance and objectivity" expected among great journalists?" where have you been in the last 12 month! please point out one mainstream media journalist with "balance and objectivity" on this subject! Zero . they don't exist.

[@harveyhotdog5085]

They know who where their money comes from.

[@thaliahall4599]

Thank you! Agree with what you have said. Hope Mr. Coates gets a chance to discuss his book and other topics at the Event you will be going to. He is a great scholar and writer!

[@JBijouxee]

Ta-Nehisi is so incredibly brave and steadfast in his commitment to speaking truth to power. Thank you for shedding light on the apartheid that is going on in Palestine.

[@fortyacres]

These two Black folks who help set him up should be ashamed. Coates ethered the guy who called him an extremist.

[@Truthseeker738]

Same thing I said ! They can always find sheep and put them front and center but that’s ok because Coates served them all on a silver platter and left zero crumbs ! I loved it!!

[@ceeemm1796]

It’s called a paycheck. However this is far bigger than the two seemingly complicit co-hosts protecting their jobs. This is a network issue and who is really in control of the narrative.

[@Truthseeker738]

@@ceeemm1796 agreed!

[@yanceyh.1850]

Only thing that Gayle can say is "it's a complicated subject " ....smh

[@kizzee2931]

@@yanceyh.1850 Neither Gayle or Nate bothered to read the book. smh

[@hafsamuscati7882]

I don’t like that journalists are allowed to be openly bigoted and I’m glad the guest was able to correct his behavior.

[@longkesh1971]

It was so unprofessional that it was shocking.

[@Bavafa1]

There is a two tier system here for journalist. Those who are pushing the AIPAC/Zionist agenda and those who speak of realities. The first tier can behave in any manner s/he wants as long as it is pushing the AIPAC narratives.

[@dvderek]

openly bigoted? for criticizing his book that he's doing a media tour for? Coates couldn't even answer if he thinks Israel should have the right to exist and he deflected to the most pathetic might makes right real politique argument thats completely uncharacteristic of him. The journalist helped show how shallow Coates lecturing on this topic is

[@eduardodesanfran]

Very well put!

[@ZetaMoolah]

@@dvderek perhaps the Russians and Chinese should begin funding arming and training the Palestinians and diplomatically supporting them unconditionally at the UN. You’re right, it’s not just might, it’s having a permanent member of the UNSC guarantee your existence out of- to quote Biden, “naked self-interest.” Might needs legitimacy to make right, but if the existence of one state delegitimizes the other then did the antecedent nation-state have legitimacy to begin with?

[@PizzaMargarita144]

As soon as Mr Coates starts to get passionate about Palestine , she tries to shut him down and redirect. THIS is exactly what the author meant about Palestinian’s voice being systematically suppressed. God forbid Americans know the truth.

[@kafuchile1826]

The is the first time I’ve seen Tony so aggressive to a guest. He is generally fair but somehow can’t see the humanity in Palestinians and the need to end the Apartheid system there, let alone the genocide currently happening

[@cryterionYT]

Instead of discussing the contents of the book Tony is just being hostile and arguing against his own beliefs

[@lakeshiasmith-harrell3819]

agree, I really got bad vibes from Tony today and I usually love them 3 as a team. But today, I have 2nd thoughts...

[@PixelPerfect3]

Because they don't see Palestinians as humans, plain and simple. They think it's ok to commit genocide and apartheid

[@m_ru1993]

He’s family lives in Israel lol

[@dk5802]

@@lakeshiasmith-harrell3819 He is generally “fair”, but when this issue comes up, his “fairness” goes out the window. He becomes combative, which is not a good look. This is about the third time I’ve seen him like this on this issue.

[@IbnGreenberg]

Make no mistakes, I’m only here for Ta-Nehisi Coates.

[@futurepowered]

That’s pretty pathetic tbh

[@ciarantheanarchist]

Tony Dokoupil, as an American Jewish convert, has more rights in Israel than either Ta-Nehisi or any Palestinian. And he's only a religious Jew. Should his motives be questioned? How would that go over? Probably not well, and it shouldn't. But trying to connect this book to extremism is like trying to connect Tony Dokoupil to Kahanism and the genocide in Gaza. Though, after this interview, it seems like a shorter walk.

[@SALIBAArmy]

Shameful. He essentially called his guest an extremist, asked why do palestinians deserve rights and then said you hate jews. Shocking worst piece journalism I have ever seen. Disgraceful.

[@CoffeeLoverRx]

Agreed. These mainstream “news” shows are disgusting. They hire anyone who wants clout and willing to become a puppet.

[@Khaydog]

​@ScottCovertmust be a hard life

[@cjasewell]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but he called his guest a terrorist.

[@Musicalnotes9678]

It’s projection bc he was raised white. It’s also an attempt by him and this black author to burn bridges btw communities who have been friends for generations.

[@anarchakelly]

Coates: *describes Israel’s atrocities.* Media: why are you attacking Israel?

[@ernestdoyle6937]

He left out any mention of October 7th, the reality of the Intifadas, "martyrs" families receiving pensions.

[@richardmcintosh3383]

​@ernestdoyle6937 and you left out european invasion of palestinian land.

[@JoebooSauce]

​@@ernestdoyle6937you leave out the ILLEGAL occupation of 70 years, APARTHEID, and settler colonialism acknowledged by the early Zionists like Theodor Herzl.

[@mbvbac]

@@ernestdoyle6937The book isn’t about Israel’s experience. Relatively few died on October 7 compared to since.

[@maybraik4733]

​@@ernestdoyle6937 he didn't speak about the massacres israel had committed against palestinians before and after oct7 too and the daily killing that is happening , and the settlers militias that are terrorising palestinians everyday . You don't want to talk about it ??

[@tekmepikcha6830]

Wow! What a nasty ambush! That interview was a train wreck of unprofessionalism and disrespect!

[@seetherf9211]

So apartheid is pillar of Israel according to the host? And that's a good thing in his view? Something to be supported?

[@bigseltzer5442]

The United States and all the world powers supported apartheid in South Africa so what's a pillar of Western society actually

[@arthurpiccio7906]

It's literally what most Americans believe.

[@sam4soph1]

As well as genocide and occupation.

[@zzulm]

The host said that it would topple the the whole building of it, he called it.

[@ericson28]

I’m not sure you guys understand what is this Apartheid you keep chanting about, and South Africans don’t get why you belittle and disrespect their history too.

[@martharivas07]

He was attacked, and this was incredibly unprofessional in the past of the interviewers. Bias, not in this interview.

[@ernestdoyle6937]

He was asked questions about a flawed work and he had no response.

[@alyssaao5787]

​@@ernestdoyle6937 He clearly had a quite dignified and reasonable response

[@JoebooSauce]

​@@ernestdoyle6937it's an apartheid state per Amnesty Intl, human rights watch and Bt'selem

[@Shadowjak101]

​@@ernestdoyle6937You're clearly guilty of the same blinding bias as Dokoupil.

[@ernestdoyle6937]

@@Shadowjak101 If knowing actual history and questioning what you read is blinding bias, I'm glad to have it. Dokoupil was right, Coates denies history and reality. No mention of the October 7th genocide in that book, or any of the Palestinian wars of aggression.

[@FunkFight1]

Ta Nehisi handled this perfectly.

[@joejackson8493]

"Either apartheid is right or it's wrong." Period. Applause.

[@renewilson2540]

💯

[@acc4465]

this guy is such a joke. go live in israel for 10 minutes and tell me how wrong this guy is.

[@joejackson8493]

@@acc4465 I support you to have your own thoughts and to live in accordance with them. And I will have mine and live in accordance with my own. I believe Coates is an intellectual force in our era and will leave a legacy for academic inquiry for centuries to come.

[@AM-qm4vc]

@@acc4465 Now go live in Gaza for 5 minutes and tell me why Palestinians shouldn't fight back.

[@willybeama1]

@@acc4465I love how racists love apartheid

[@brianchaput1014]

Tony Dokoupil says at 5:43 "They (the Palestinians) exist merely as victims" in his book, while earlier in the segment he's framing Israel as a victim surrounded by countries who want to eliminate it. Is he really that ignorant about the polls that show majority of Israelis want to see Palestinians eliminated?

[@MosEisleySpacePort1138]

“…polls that show majority of Israelis want to see Palestinians eliminated.” That is factually not correct. Maybe it’s true about Hamas. But no, not about Palestinians.

[@motaku7525]

@@MosEisleySpacePort1138 According to surveys, the vast majority of Jewish Israelis are strongly behind the campaign in Gaza, and we don't hear them making much noise at all about the relentless pogroms in the West Bank. The saddest thing is that the insanity of my Jewish people is being facilitated by a continued torrent of arms and money from the US. This is not being 'pro-Israel.' Jewish Voice for Peace, even if officially 'anti-Zionist' now, is fundamentally acting much more in the interests of Israel than this shallow journalist, AIPAC, etc. etc. etc. Without justice, there is no peace.

[@gratefulwoman8848]

The reporter clearly did not see the “Friendship Song 2023” sung by Israeli children about wanting to annihilate the Palestenians in Gaza, how all Israeli society (cross generational: children, youth, adults, elderly even their president) sign missles destined to be dropped on civilians in Gaza trapped in a concentration-cemp. It was reported that Israeli civilians for amusement attend daily trips to the torture Dungeons to WATCH as civilian Palestenians kidnapped from Gaza by IOF are being tortured. Also reported that Israeli politicians argue to legalize the RAPE of Palestenian hostages incl. children (which has been documented prior to October ‘23) as well as the vast majority of Israeli society supporting that decision. Their family outing consists of attacking aid trucks and blocking aid trucks from entering Gaza concentration-camp. Not to mention they go on boat trips to watch the bombing of Gaza while they discuss which family gets to settle in Gaza and how much land each family gets.

[@YouroldboySabs1]

Well said! Glad the world is waking up to the truth!

[@YouroldboySabs1]

Their polls are crazy! They love the carnage they're seeing!

[@KimmJohnson-vd7rc]

Same thing they did to us - don’t eat at certain restaurants- don’t drive in certain towns 😐 & it’s still happening

[@blackheywoodheywood]

I've always been quiet on this matter but as an American Descendant of Chattel Slavery, Jim Crow, legal segregation, and the ramifications of those atrocities I have to agree with T-Nehisi Coates. I really have no other choice.

[@Musicalnotes9678]

Oh the situation of the Palestinians is bc of their violence. Are you saying that slavery and segregation was bc Black ppl were violent ppl who fought over land and killed their neighbors in the states and other continents? The children who wanted to go to school couldn’t bc their religion praised harming others? It’s not the same so don’t compare.

[@blackheywoodheywood]

@@Musicalnotes9678 I'm saying that Palestinian land was stolen from them and given to European Jews in 1948 displacing those people. They've been fighting every day since that. By what laws gave the British the authority to steal Palestinian land and give it to Jews. The Balfour Declaration was a public statement made by the British government in 1917 that supported the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine: Author: Arthur Balfour, the British foreign secretary at the time Date: November 2, 1917 Recipient: Lionel Walter Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community Significance: The declaration was a pivotal moment in the Palestinian issue and is considered the root of the current problems in the region Legacy: The declaration is seen as a foundation stone of modern Israel by many Israelis, but many Palestinians view it as a betrayal The declaration stated that the British government would support the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, but that the civil and religious rights of non-Jewish communities would be protected. The declaration was included in the British Mandate for Palestine after the Ottoman Empire was dissolved. The mandate system was a form of colonialism that allowed the victors of World War I to administer the newly emerging states until they could become independent. The Balfour Declaration had a significant impact on the region: Arab opposition The declaration led to Arab opposition and revolt. Many Arabs in Palestine and elsewhere were outraged that they did not receive the nationhood and self-government they had expected. Jewish population growth The Jewish population in Palestine increased dramatically in the years after World War I. Jewish-Arab violence Instances of Jewish-Arab violence increased in the years after World War I. British involvement Britain's involvement in the region led to difficulties for the British, Jews, and Arabs. Partition The declaration ultimately led to partition and the current problems in the region

[@77Creation]

@@Musicalnotes9678 Yeah, bet you think the Native Americans were violent too. Let someone colonize your house because their god told them too...see how peaceful you are.

[@Musicalnotes9678]

@@77Creation the Native Americans live peacefully today and tried to come to peaceful treaties time and time again

[@alisonbishop5366]

​@@Musicalnotes9678the Palestinians had their land seized and were killed and raped and scared away in their 750,000 in 1948 and since 1967 have been occupied, oppressed and killed 'moving the grass' . You think they just woke up one day and chose violence for no reason?

[@SierraMech]

Guest explains apartheid and why he’s morally against it. Host baits to its justification.

[@badrmoubile9219]

How they tried to frame him, literally was the best publicity for him. I just ordered the book! He stayed so calm and to the point, and framed the problems the Palestinians have in a few seconds and was effective. Talented man.

[@loveontopfan3100]

Ta-nehisi is 100% right on every single point. Shame on Tony for his unprofessionalism and for letting his bias get in the way of actually trying to understand the issue of Palestinians. It's disgusting and he should apologize to Ta-nehisi for trying to allude that he is an anti-semite because he doesn't support Israel's murderous rage against innocent people. I am with Ta-nehisi. I will ALWAYS be on the side of the oppressed and not on the side of the oppressor. And I don't care what country or people are the oppressor. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong. Period.

[@RedTitan5]

What is oct 7

[@verzinghettorix6360]

@ScottCoverttrump supports Israel harder lol

[@Temperancefp]

Such a smart person! That’s why they don’t let anyone with this perspective speak, because the arguments are so clear!

[@Musicalnotes9678]

Not every black person agrees. They are in the circumstance they are in bc of their violence and have never helped Black ppl. Black ppl were never violent to where they then had to be put under Jim Crow. It’s completely different!

[@Bakaokami]

Enormous respect to Coates for handling that egregious disrespect as gracefully as he did.

[@dominnictaylor2335]

Coates is my new hero! Wow! I am so happy that you responded the way you did with such calm and strength. Amazing bro! Thank you for standing strong. Coates stated facts and spoke truth. Thank you my brotha!

[@glennsimonsen8421]

His "truth" is that of a child who doesn't understand reality.

[@Literatiloves]

That interviewer really tried but THC met him point for point. He was basically called an extremist because he doesn’t think apartheid is ok? GTFOH!!!

[@wrobinnes]

I’m not impressed with TNC’s defense. He basically dodges the question by claiming he speaks for the “Palestinians who don’t have a voice.” That’s not an intellectual argument. That’s just admitting that you’ve adopted the biases of that group and somehow that’s supposed to absolve you of journalistic objectivity.

[@NoorKhan-gg2qf]

@@wrobinnes TNC spoke the truth and amplified the voice of the Palestinians who are oppressed by the apartheid settler colonial project illigally grabbing the land of the Palestinians. I know it’s hard to hear this for you! Jim crow =South African Apartheid = Palestinian fight for liberty from Apartheid Israel

[@nia-d3x]

Gayle deserves an oscar for how well she keep her head engulfed to the pages in her hands...like she was obsessively reading something..never once, greeted Ta-Nehisi Coates, verbally, nor with eye contact...she was the Most DiSengaged "journalist," on that team. How dishonorable to the scholar-journalist guest- Ta-Nehisi Coats,Phd.

[@AllisonRussell]

Please watch the whole interview - Ta-Nehisi Coates is a brilliant truth teller, author, journalist, human -he handled this interviewer's antagonism, bias & bad faith line of questioning *about what he didn’t write* with clarity, courage, compassion, logic, morality and grace. Baldwin-esque composure & irrefutability. I just bought #tanehisicoates’s new book #themessage & I agree #apartheidiswrong

[@layladystay]

Do not overlook the racially motivated conditional acceptance at the end, the condescension. Truly despicable

[@keif210]

That was fukn cringe. Like really

[@cjasewell]

Yes. Well caught.

[@KishwarSmith-b2m]

We don't need anyone's "high holidays". I don't think TNC was ever concerned about Tony's favor. For Tony to throw that in was one last weak dig.

[@Musicalnotes9678]

@@KishwarSmith-b2mit’s not his prerogative to invite. He was raised as White and converted 2 minutes ago. Neither will this man’s book burn the bridges Black ppl have with the Jewish community. It’s not the hosts place to uninvite in the first place. He doesn’t speak for the Jewish community and this author doesn’t speak for the black community.

[@alntr2872]

Exactly

[@lolitabee2004]

He hijacked that entire interview. The other hosts sat there like stage decorations.

[@queenkayenandi9322]

Ta’Nehisi wiped the floor with this fool called Tony. Can you imagine being a journalist and interviewing people with bias blinders on? I’m proud to have all of Ta’Nehisi Coates’ books on my bookshelves.

[@sam4soph1]

Yes, he did. Made that guy look a fool.

[@YouroldboySabs1]

I just ordered this book because of this

[@warmlycalculated390]

I hope you pick up The Message, it's his best yet IMHO!

[@yanapostolides601]

Nope he is a race grifter. Buy the book. He knows nothing about "palestine".

[@YouroldboySabs1]

So glad that soooo much of the media is coming out to defend this guy, and as a result he's also slowly helping the narrative shift!

[@letranger4461]

Good on Ta-Nehisi Coates for not taking the bait when the host’s line of questioning implies things he did not say. I’m glad he’s using his platform to emphasize that any ethno-state is inherently unethical, and drawing attention to the one that we have the most direct power to stop. The issue-trolling by the host is the most frustrating to me. There are plenty of activists talking about ethnic cleanings perpetrated by other Middle Eastern countries. That’s not the topic of this conversation.

[@GoBlackHeart]

Mr. Coates handled this brilliantly. He did not show anger or irritation. He answered questions and raised facts that should make everyone question what is and has been happening in Palestinian/Israeli relations. I don't find fault with Mr. Dokoupil. I'm glad he asked the questions (even the provocative WAY he asked the first question) because we got to we hear Mr. Coates' reasoning. I'd love to see our politicians engage in this kind of respectful and revealing dialogue about important issues.

[@lucyfrancesament]

Amazing to watch Tony Dokoupil sit next to two black colleagues and defend apartheid. He would be totally fine with them being forced to drink from separate drinking fountains. Especially his comments about how victims of apartheid should use their "agency" to have more rights. Someone ask Nate what he would think of a white man walking up to his grandmother during Jim Crow and telling her it's her fault she doesn't have more rights. Total victim blaming.

[@cjasewell]

I'm offended by the two colleagues being silent while a Black guest is subjected to this hostile cross examination--"What offends YOU about a JEWISH state"--but not at all surprised.

[@UsualYaddaYadda]

Tamed and scared to speak... just the way Tony's ilk like them. In their place. Agencyless or down to the job agency.

[@loreneaustin5304]

I wonder why Gayle and Nate didn't comment.

[@Mogwai786]

The dude is Jwsh. Should we be surprised?

[@Abcnz1989]

You can't impose the framework of American race relations onto the complex geopolitics of the Middle East. Israelis are, in fact, 75% people of Middle Eastern or North African descent. This conflict is rooted in Palestinian aggression towards Israel and a longstanding culture of antisemitism in the region. Unlike apartheid in South Africa, where racial segregation was systematically enforced by law, Israel is a multi-ethnic democracy where Arab citizens have voting rights, serve in the Knesset (parliament), and participate in many aspects of public life. Moreover, Palestinians are not Israeli citizens; their status was clearly defined during the Oslo Accords, which established the framework for Palestinian self-governance in certain territories.

[@spacemachete]

"You're still invited to high holiday." Is a micro aggression

[@ajvanbreen]

How?

[@spacemachete]

@@ajvanbreen Racialized threat about conditional acceptance.

[@GennaSt]

I haven’t had the balls to ask a Jew after Passover to come by for Easter. It’s a historic point of contention between Jews and Christians. Why go there?

[@YaldaZadah]

yeah that rubbed me wrong too

[@Solus3D]

Was a direct insult.

[@KarstenBraskFischer-p4x]

So deeply embarassing for CBS

[@Tosin226]

Yessss, the people who sympathise most with the Palestinians are people who have a history with colonisation.The opressors hold up their colonial project and talk about its right to exist. Why should an ethno theocracy be praised as a bastion of anything good?

[@itaintjustmee]

like SArabia or Iran

[@Tosin226]

@@itaintjustmee and Israel too. I'd also say that Saudi and Iran aren't ethno states. And no one respectable parades them as bastions of good human values or talk about how good and righteous it is that they exist.

[@iamjustgreg]

@@itaintjustmee wow! Look at your blatant “whataboutism“. I can’t point to a place where anyone suggest support for Saudi Arabia and Iran, though neither state is currently operating a colonial apartheid project modeled off of Zionist extremism and whyte supremacy. Nice whatsboutism though.

[@Matthius311]

​@@Tosin226or that they have the most moral military in the world. What kind of cult mantra would that be?

[@Abcnz1989]

It's called scapegoating - projecting sins onto a minority. The Palestinians are a part of an Arab majority in the middle east - the dominant culture. Indigenous communities (like the Jews, Yezidis, Assyrians, Copts, Armenians, etc.) are who you should be sympathetic with. That is if you actually understand Islamism and the regional dynamics.

[@TheDilligan]

Dang. Watching this after the substancial and nuanced interivew he did on the daily show. These hosts were terrible.

[@KennyChapman]

I did the same thing. The interview with Stewart was a masterpiece and then I watch this...

[@District34]

Jon Stewart did a fantastic interview with TNC. Everyone should go watch that instead of this train wreck.

[@DallasHokies]

@knc6230 As he stated, the israeli plight has been well documented in american media, so perhaps he wanted to see the other side of it. In the Daily show interview, he mentioned that he was a little ashamed that he didn't know more about this than he did on the palestinian side. People always said "do your research"...well Coates did his research. What research has Tony done other than sit up there and make excuses for apartheid?

[@scottgilesmusic]

​@knc6230 Obviously a BOT. No reasonable person would approve of the genocide Isreal is committing.

[@glackinon1999]

These hosts ARE terrible. Watch (if you can stomach it), any of their superficial segments on daytime TV. The fact that they’re paid what they are is shocking. TNC schooled them.

[@quaidsaifee]

Wow! He is so correct that there is no dearth of Israeli apartheid and ethnic cleansing views in our media, this short interview was a great example. Admiration for Ta-Nehisi for handling it so graciously and passionately. Young writers of all the stripes have a lot to learn from this truthteller, whatever maybe the odds. Buying the book NOW.

[@rubenespinoza2015]

Please go watch Ta-Nehisi on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart instead of this biased attack. There you'll see someone display journalistic integrity while asking thought provoking questions.

[@antonioviana7645]

respect to Ta-Nehisi Coates

[@rachelclark423]

This was POWERFUL!!!! Either you believe in apartheid or you don’t 💪🏾

[@syedsahmed]

Disgraceful behavior from Tony Dokoupil

[@imorokr]

Hey c’mon now! What about those two black ppl? They’re right there! That’s gotta count for something, right? Can’t be racist if he’s outnumbered 😂

[@UsualYaddaYadda]

Standard behavior for CBS. Two tame, cowering studio slaves as part of the hasbara act.

[@FreemanAzad]

This is what a real superpower looks like folks, Mr. Ta-Nehisi distilled billions of voices, thousands of books and centuries of answers into an idea, simple, articulate and decisive.. either apartheid is right or wrong? My deepest respect.

[@domepiece79]

The host’s questions and comments are disgusting but not the least bit surprising. It shows how normalized it has become to defend apartheid and genocide, especially on mainstream corporate media platforms.

[@joycelucas8728]

I will no longer be watching CBS This Morning after seeing the way Tony treated Ta-Nehisi. To say the book would read like something an extremist would have in his backpack was reprehensible, not to mention his follow up arguments. This was not an interview. Gayle proved how useless she is. She can never keep her mouth shut, but she had nothing of value to add to this interview.

[@duncanbleak3819]

Oh grow up! The questions gave Ta-Nehisi an opportunity to show his brilliance and dexterity. Ta-Nehisi ran circles around Tony. He seemed to enjoy the joust. Perhaps the best segment I've seen on this show in years. But you're absolutely correct about Gayle!

[@queenkayenandi9322]

Gayle frequently says simple-minded and annoying things, nothing of real substance. Nate simply co-signs. Ta’Nehisi is far more intelligent than the Tony, Gayle and Nate combined. We needed Charlie Rose for this one, but he turned out to be a creep, so this is all we got. Gayle, Nate and Vlad will NEVER stand up for themselves or anything substantial.

[@simonkapadia7582]

@@duncanbleak3819 Er, no. No. I'm sorry, there were multiple things in there that were unacceptable, from all but directly accusing him of being an antisemite, which, I say 'all but' only as a formality, he absolutely explicitly intended that to be the substance, to, worse still, implying that Palestinians had caused the crimes against them by being members of a group. A group, he would doubtless argue represents a security threat, which of course is his interior justification of his position because he selectively empathises with one group, and thus can justify crimes against another group he regards as existing in conflict and opposition to the first group. In other words, as a logical consequence of the occupation the Israelis are justified in all their violations of international humanitarian law, because how else would they protect themselves from the people whose land and rights they have indefinitely withdrawn / appropriated? In American terms, those exact arguments were used against abolition before the civil war. There was fear that a massive wave of violence would be unleashed if slaves were ever freed. "A war of retribution.". Likewise, the South African government during apartheid was pretty worried that the moment it let its iron grip slide the white minority would be expelled, have their property taken, or worse by the majority. It's straight up dehumanisation to suggest that a population can be exposed to collective punishment, illegal detention, apartheid, and ethnic cleansing because some of them might be terrorists. Anyone with a shred of knowledge of these dynamics can spot that a mile away, but I'd dare say this case is so flagrant that very few people will have failed to see it irrespective as to their background. And in legal and ethical terms none of that flies. It's all illegal under international law, and even within domestic law the rule is reasonably plain that each person, each party if you like is responsible for their crimes irrespective as to provocations. You cannot claim that your crime was "caused" by someone else's crimes as a provocation, and thus that you have done nothing wrong. And that works both ways. And it is absolutely illegal to punish an entire population for the crimes of individuals or groups.

[@Solus3D]

​@@duncanbleak3819of course a white supremacist support Z.

[@throughmyeyes9940]

@@duncanbleak3819 Tony brought out the truth, not opinion, Gayle was right to let the truth be told.

[@ikarabout]

If pointing out apartheid is an existential threat to a state, should we ignore said apartheid for the sake of said state?

[@federation_comrade]

Tony was really disgraceful here.

[@Cherishloveandlife]

Yep, he was out of line, his argument was mute, and his comments were ignorant, He forgot who Ta-Nehisi Coates is. Ta-Nehisi handled himself very well. Tony was offensive especially when he tried to strip Ta-Nehisi of his identity, intelligence and accomplishments. Appalling behavior have become acceptable behavior/

[@throughmyeyes9940]

@@Cherishloveandlife Tony was appropriate/professional and informative with FACTS on all issues.

[@Truthseeker738]

Coates ate and left ZERO crumbs ! Ordered his book and can’t wait to read it !

[@ubroc]

He got roasted

[@redchillyxx]

Very good response Ta Nehisi!!!

[@MRzfranks56]

Well, that segment was hijacked... Coates really showed that the framing of the questions presented to him are largely based from the Jewish perspective. I'm sure there was SO much more to discuss than JUST this area of the book

[@Mdtv1982]

Abhorrent behavior towards the guest. Clearly racist and aggressive. Very disappointed in CBS-don’t know why I expected more

[@LS-ki9ft]

Good job, Tony. Sadly, CBS will probably fire him.

[@Blkwolf676]

Watching this interview made me so mad. I was looking to see the discussion of Coates book and it got hijacked over one section due to Tony Dokoupil and his political leanings. He has a right to his beliefs, but it was a set up from the beginning with the two Black hosts, King and Burleson set off to the side like lawn jockeys for a display: Well, we had two Black people up there too! That was more for optics than anything. It’s inexcusable! It was a such a supremacist display of power over a book that was dealing with Coates travels and experience of the world that CBS itself should be ashamed. Dokoupil basically accused Coates of producing work that if stripped down of his credentials would place him as a terrorist. Such a calculated but poor choice of words for a journalist. As much as has happened to Black folks in this country there would be no justification for us wanting the genocide of White people. That would taint our own. You don’t want that on your conscience or riding your children’s conscience. Karma is a ... And at the end Dokoupil had the nerve to tell him you’re still invited to the high holidays i.e. you’re still a good boy as if he were a dog. This was too much playing in Black folks’ face!

[@AriS-ew5cs]

The theatrics and line of questions wreaked of the oppressor's playbook that so many of us are familiar with. Thanks for recognizing and articulating this for those who may have missed this ridiculous presentation. I did enjoy Burleson nodding like "solid point" when Coates talked about countries being established by force vs rights, just like the US was.

[@JusticeJoy60]

@Blkwolf676 .. your comment was absolutely insightful and brilliant.. The “ Lawn Jockey” comment … lord this isn’t funny but I fell out.

[@keiacroft3982]

Gail usually cuts guests off repeatedly...she's on mute during this completely disgusting attack on Mr . Coates. Guess i will go back to GMA...

[@Wafaloo]

I didn’t think she needed to say anything. TNC was handling himself quite well and this was a discussion we need to hear more often in the media.

[@Koyasi78]

Why watch any of this at all?

[@throughmyeyes9940]

She has the knowledge and IQ to know Tony was on point.

[@magdasaikali8378]

I am honored to see you on KZbin for the first time; I just received your book today as a gift! Please continue to speak out for the voiceless and the unrepresented, and don’t worry about the biased, disrespectful, and controlling media!

[@windygail5702]

Wow. Israeli propaganda from the only colonizer in the room. Calling human rights extreme is pathetic.

[@Sn0wG0lem]

Tony Dokupil has never considered the fact that apartheid is immoral

[@abby-l5j]

it’s jarring

[@elimsariiyisrael546]

I'm buying the Book ... this guy is fantastic !

[@lillianbitar2652]

Mr Coates is spot on. The interviewer should not be taken seriously

[@armykayla9971]

I am so proud of how well Ta-Nehisi Coates handled himself against that line of questioning! He stood ten toes down on being against apartheid and how Israel has a tiered society. Honestly, I get quite flustered and overwhelmed when someone questions me that hard because they’re trying to say I believe the worst. (ie. being antisemitic.) I hope to embrace his steadfast confidence in his beliefs, and I will be reading his book.

[@ameeromanuel4759]

I thank the host. He provides the platform for an indisputable argument. Instead of childish propaganda, he lays out a valid argument and receives the counter argument. The audience can now decide.

[@listentoherwhydontya]

I used to be a loyal viewer. Tony is why I am no longer. So disappointing. Gayle, Vlad, Nate… is this really what you want to put out into the world?

[@dannyqiblawi5164]

It is time to respond to people like Tony with the same hostility they present their “line of questioning”. Tony says “yes but what did the Palestinians do to deserve apartheid?” Imagine someone asked “what did Jews do to deserve genocide?” “What did black people do to deserve Jim Crow?” That person would justifiably have their career ended. This is exactly what Tony just said about Palestinians. The crimes of genocide, of apartheid, of the new war crime that will be recognized as Israel reduces the entire city of Gaza to rubble, are completely indefensible and inexcusable. Nothing justifies or explains them.

[@edwinthompson3885]

There is nothing extremist in the book, just observations about a non-democratic state that has implemented an apartheid system. Tony could have discussed the IDF members of Breaking the Silence, the inability of Palestinians to use the court system, the seizure of private property by the state of Isreal, the terror imposed on families, etc. - all good interview topics. He didn't because he didn't read the book. I can say, The Message is a good read.

[@heavyone2438]

Milquetoast Gail and Nate said nothing while Coates was being attacked? They look like the "we sick boss" type of Blacks that Malcolm X spoke about.

[@pam0626]

Truthfully, Ta-Neishi didn’t need their help. He wiped the floor with Tony and more than held his own.

[@creoleladee]

Tony highjacked the interview and went on a rant. They weren't able to get in a word. Furthermore, spare us Tony with your tossed condescending, invite your "High Holidays". No thanks.

[@pam0626]

@@creoleladee Yes, that was condescending.

[@pswhite2961]

I think Nate knew he was going to look and say something crazy, as for Gail...

[@youngmuggzy85]

The way he’s breathing heavy and is belabored in his response tells me that he has a visceral response to that line of questioning. He was hot but maintained his composure. I truly applaud Mr Coates for real.

[@kennethprola5136]

Israel is the only state in the Middle East that is multicultural, all of the surrounding countries are ethnostates. The 20% of Israel who are Arab Israelis have full citizenship and equal rights. Palestinians have checkpoints because of the suicide bombings of the second intifada. That’s what the journalist means when he says what was the Palestinian role in creating those conditions.

[@feralmode]

yes, my guess is he thought it was going to be a softball but it was hostile from the start. Tony's aipac handlers had him loaded up with talking points to try to delegitimise him. "extremist's backpack" - that was just vile.

[@ysf-psfx]

@@kennethprola5136 Excuse me? Lebanon? Israel was literally established as a religious ethnostate. Who believes your lies?

[@NaijaAmericana]

The fact he titled the book "The Message" is absolutely dope. I believe it's a nod to "The Message" by Grand Master Flash and The Furious Five. It's an unfiltered first-person POV of what is really happening on the ground. I hope that is why he titled it the way he did.

[@KiantaKey]

Either apartheid is right or it's wrong. Also the journalistic "style" coming out of one household --of Mr. Dokoupil and Ms. Katy Tur -- is truly remarkable (in the worst way ever).

[@IslandVibez_Virgo]

Ta-nehisi is such a class act. Bravo for how you handled Tony’s unhinged questions 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@chasejones8302]

He never really answered the questions. Why is Israel "apartheid", but all of the Muslim countries surrounding are not? Good luck hanging out in any of those places as a Jew, Christian, Atheist or Buddhist. "As a [blank] person" is not a very persuasive argument.

[@IslandVibez_Virgo]

@@chasejones8302 Of course he answered the question, plus he details in his book how different laws exist for Jewish Israeli citizens vs Muslim citizens. It’s important because so much of our tax dollars go to Israel not the surrounding countries. Furthermore, if you purport to be the only democracy in the region, then why are you continuously violating the human rights of Palestinians? That’s according to the ICC, the Geneva Convention, the Oslo Accords & even former IDF soldiers.

[@nickthepostpunk5766]

That white due interviewing thought he was exposing Ta-Nehisi Coates biases, when in fact I saw him exposing his own biases for all to see.

[@misshiggi8662]

I can't wait to buy the book. Mr. Coates is a man of principle. I, too, am a child of oppression. There exist no circumstances where I would support it of ANY people. I am certain that is not the entirety of the book Shame on that reporter for commandeering the entire interview. Mr. Coates was time enough for him. Apartheid is apartheid and will ALWAYS be wrong under any circumstances.

[@KimWithTheGems]

The gall of Tony to say 'you're still invited" as if Mr. Coates should be sp honored and privileged to be in YOUR company - you Tony are the definition of that 1st tiered system that he speaks of. and as a person who has a degree in journalism your behavior was horrific from the introduction. Mr Coastes you were brilliant, and I am sure you put him to shame. Ordering a few copies of the book now.

[@documentdocument]

The composure to not rebuke with “oh I have no interest” or “I actually don’t think I’d be welcome” is galaxies away from what my ability would be to be respectful.