CCD vs CMOS: Film-Look Battle (Canon G12 vs G1X Recipes Battle)

[@SMGJohn]

Sadly the CCD sensor has nothing to do with how the colours look, thats the CFA = Colour Filter Array which sits ontop of the sensor plate and filters the light into the necessary colours for each pixel on the sensor. Older sensors had much thicker CFA then newer sensors do, why? Because a thicker CFA means more noise and a reduction in dynamic range. Take Canon 400D or Sony Alpha 850, these are some of the highest colour depth of any camera ever made, the Canon 400D has a trichromatic sensor meaning the colour profile responds into 3 peaks of Red Green and Blue that are almost perfectly in sync, most cameras have less peak of red, higher peak of green and the blue are either lower or higher than the red peak. 400D and Alpha 850 shoot very punchy colours which have extremely high dynamic range in the colours themselves (yes colours have their own dynamic range) So the idea that CCD is superior is in fact a myth born from misinformation spread on the internet by people who do not quite understand how sensors work, its all about CFA. The only thing CCD does differently to CMOS is how the highlights are blended in, CCD's have much better highlight roll because its dynamic range tends to sway much more towards the highlights whereas CMOS sway towards the shadow area, its why you should metre differently depending what scenery you shoot in.

[@quazisanjeed6395]

Almost all the photographers that tested CCD sensor cameras against CMOS sensor cameras prefer images produced by CCD sensors. So, they are all wrong, isn't it? However, this deliberation is unlikely to change the impression of CCD lovers though those are no longer made.

[@SMGJohn]

@@quazisanjeed6395 That is why you just read my comment instead of acting with emotions. The sensor difference is only in how the highlights are treated, CCD has much softer highlights compared to CMOS. To my knowledge people who compare CCD to CMOS almost never comment on the highlight difference but rather the colours. There are many fan favourite CMOS cameras of the old days just as there is CCD. For example Canon D30 has a CMOS sensor but shoots astonishing colour. Sony made the Alpha 290 and 390 DSLRs which were the last CCD equipped DSLRs bodies but had thinner CFA which meant their colours were no different then contemporary CMOS equipped DSLRs. There is nothing wrong with CCD, but its important to understand what makes the colours punchy in a camera has little to do with the sensor used.

[@cryptidhunter9901]

@@SMGJohn In my eyes, the Canon 400d does not have that rich colour rendition that some of the older Fuji CCD cameras have.

[@SMGJohn]

@@cryptidhunter9901 Because thats entirely subjective, I was referring to scientific measures that we can do on these sensors, there are good data available to show a Canon 400D does in fact capture very wide range of colours, in fact Canon 400D and Sony Alpha 850 are capable of capturing certain green colours that almost no other camera can do. Fujifilm however is known for colour because they been in the business since before WW2. They know exactly what most people enjoy and tune their CFA to exactly give those results, the CFA is what dictates the colours, not the sensor itself, the CFA is a filter that lays ontop of the sensor and filters the incoming black and white light, into colour light, thats because in real life there is no colours, your eyes see black and white light, how light hits something and then bounces off is what dictates what colour it is, the brain converts that light into colour based on that bounce. Thats why black is black, very little light bounces off it, so the brain registers it as black, if you want to make it more complicated look up colour spectrum its the wavelength of light. There is a whole science in this, important to get some of it right, sensor does not see colour thats a mistake most people make, its the CFA that tells the sensor what colour is what. Some cameras like Sigma Foveon sensors do not have CFA per say, but they have 3 sensors layered ontop of each other, and each capture their respective light, Green, Blue and Red respectively as the light filters through these sensor layers.

[@Nadoor70]

I have both CCD and CMOS sensor based cameras and would take the CMOS over CCD any day. I think people have gotten bored with how good CMOS sensors are and they want a nostalgic look of older CCDs. I get the point. If you want to shoot like film, then shoot real film. I still shoot film BTW.

[@mxrclxst]

A major aspect of the conversation between CCD and CMOS is the sensor noise. CMOS sensors tend to generate noise with a noticeable digital pattern while CCD sensors have a more natural diffused noise similar to film grain. This adds a perceptible film quality to images. However, higher megapixel sensors later in the life of CCDs diminished the size of the sensor noise compared to the entire image losing some of the filmic quality. CMOS sensors improved to pretty much rarely ever show noise making the images "too clean'" and clinical. Most CCD sensors also had a global shutter unlike CMOS sensors which usually scan from top to bottom. This gave CCD sensors an edge when capturing fast moving subjects by not having any rolling shutter effect. It's only recently that CMOS sensors began to have a global shutter at the consumer level.

[@The_Hero_Is_Back]

I own a G9. Great in good light. Grainy in low light. The G12 seems the same. I don’t want the film look, especially. In low light and indoors, I thought the G1x photos looked better. In good light, there is less distance between them. It would have been interesting to have a few photos shot in normal mode to compare as well. Good work.

[@lensandpaws]

Agreed. I think we all agree that the G1X is superior from the get-go. Still, love my G12 for the sake of that nostalgic feeling :)

[@Narsuitus]

I have never used the Canon G12 or the Canon G1X but I have used the Canon G11 and G15. I have been very satisfied with the CCD images produced by my G11 and G15.

[@nicholassmith7723]

The g15/16 have CMOS if I'm not mistaken

[@quazisanjeed6395]

Thank you for the video. There's difference between nice colors and accurate colors. The CCD sensor despite being way smaller than G1X sensor seems to have produced better real-life colors than the CMOS sensor. The latter sensor appears to have produced the image artificially using various processing techniques. I'm sure a same size CCD sensor will definitely produce clearly superior colors that the CMOS version. Thanks again.

[@lensandpaws]

Thanks for the insight. I agree. And the CCD with the same sensor size as G1X would be more expensive. I think that's why camera manufacturers switched to CMOS in the first place. It's cheaper to produce. CMIIW. Thanks again

[@heyitsclay8853]

the g12 and g1x arent super comparable. the g1x has a sensor slightly larger than most micro four thirds cameras. the g12 has a super tiny compact camera sensor.

[@lensandpaws]

Indeed, mention that in the video. Thanks for reminding.

[@brunodrakenas9575]

Love the filmic colors of the old CCD cameras but I prefer the g1x’s photos. It has those Canon colors for sure.

[@athmaid]

The CMOS has a weird green tint but that's probably just because the technology was relatively new

[@gunn1ng]

Not sure about your recipes, however the G12 looks more pleasing to me in almost every shot.

[@Yusufu-92]

Thanks for this very interesting review man. Take care of yourself.

[@HubraumTV]

With Kodak Vision3 500T Recipe in the Night and G12, are you using the flash or you just search for a bit of light somewhere? Normally I don't use my G11 in low light, but I might try it instead of my Olympus EPL 7 sometimes

[@lensandpaws]

I don't use any flash; as you said, just try to find interesting lights to shoot. Sometimes it's a bit tricky to get a shot handheld with a slow shutter speed, but I take my time. I also try to find some sturdy things to put my camera on as a makeshift tripod to reduce vibration

[@vincenzobasilisco4624]

which do you prefer? in low light situations is the g1x better having a larger sensor? Thank you

[@brunodrakenas9575]

Which one would you suggest as a compact travel and on the go camera compared this g1x or one of the m43 olympus cameras like EM 5 mark II?

[@lensandpaws]

G1x has slightly bigger sensor. But probably I would still go for the EM 5 mark II

[@PhotoswithArt]

Your test on CCD vs CMOS a bit wrong approach. It should be out of camera test with non-recipes. Recipes muddy the results.

[@ViniciusMonteiroVianavmviana]

Even though the G12 and G1X are same series G12 and G15 would be a much fairer comparison since the G1X has a sensor many times the size of the G12.

[@Paransis]

YOOO DUDE!! I WAS COMPARING THESE FOR ABOUT DAYS NOWWW

[@lensandpaws]

Hope you enjoy it :)

[@sazaria80]

personally, i think the halation on the night light sources image are due to the lens characteristic, either through lens coatings, or the makeup of the lens elements

[@lensandpaws]

It is possible indeed :)

[@jamesmlodynia8757]

Many of my early Pentax DSLR's had CCD sensors, they also had a low pixel count,the ISO maxed out at 1600 and they had a low FPS so while they were good learning tools they can't hang with modern day cameras. They took nice photos at low ISO but the auto focus and low resolution were an issue.

[@lensandpaws]

Absolutely agree. Still, I think we all love getting that nostalgic feeling with these old CCD cameras :)

[@Ranveer_Singh_Kahani]

Impressive dynamic range from g1x..g12 its like my previous canon sx50 colours

[@theoell2049]

But if you decrease saturation and contrast on cmos maybe the result will be the same

[@lensandpaws]

You might be right; perhaps it's just the combination. I've tried setting both to -2 on contrast, and still, the G1X looks more contrasted. Nevertheless, I love both.

[@oscarfernandoofpublicnature]

Thanks for the video. Advise: get a Pop Filter

[@lensandpaws]

Thanks for the tip :)

[@Paransis]

Can you also give recipes/settings that's best for flash photography and indoor settings for G12 🙏 new fan hereee 🎉 keep it up fam 🙌

[@lensandpaws]

I think flash is a whole different setup in terms of recipes. I'm still learning about it. Thank you. I really appreciate it :)

[@KY-zerSOH-zay]

Since CMOS and CCD image sensors are ‘color blind’, a filter in front of the sensor allows the sensor to assign color tones to each pixel. so its all the filter and the signal processing and control units aka digic processor. in this case G12 has a DIGIC 4 and G1X has a DIGIC 5 and a different cropfactor. so in reality you are comparing apples to oranges here. the rest is voodoo or mojo or just wishfull thinking. and of course you recipies which have nothing to do with a colorblind image sensor .

[@lensandpaws]

Thank you for sharing. I agree that it's more complex than simply CCD vs. CMOS. I had a Canon SX230 with CMOS and DIGIC 4. The images resulting from the camera were different from those of the G12 as well. More and more variables are involved. The G1X is definitely superior in terms of specs anyway, with a way bigger sensor, etc. Just doing it for fun.

[@hazizilamsin]

Bro, gimme some advise. G16 vs G1X. Im prefer for daily use, street use and video use. Hope can help me here. Thanks.

[@lensandpaws]

I would go for the G1X, with a bigger sensor, but you might want to note that the G1X has a real problem when shooting at close distances. You cannot really do macro with the G1X.

[@hazizilamsin]

@@lensandpaws thanks for the advise and sharing info bro.

[@googaajjj6099]

Where did you buy the g12 and how much??

[@lensandpaws]

I bought it for around $100 with a couple of extra lenses and an adapter. I made a video about it. I purchased it on the marketplace in Indonesia. I think $150 might be too much for the G12. The prices of this camera might have gone up due to the hype. So, I think it's better to find other alternatives. There are a lot of options. You can consider the Olympus EPL series, Lumix GF, or even the EP or GX series for about the same price. I bought my Olympus EP-3 for $100.

[@michaelbell75]

Nice but you dont need any recipes to get the film look from a digital camera. Get a Canon Powershot G2 or G3, done.

[@lensandpaws]

Fair enough. That's a pretty difficult camera to find in the market. I would love to try one of course :)

[@michaelbell75]

@@lensandpaws they are all over eBay. At least in the US. I’m not sure where you are located but hopefully you can find one and I would suggest the G3.

[@lensandpaws]

@@michaelbell75 Ah yes, of course. I'm sorry, unfortunately, here in Indonesia, the G2 and G3 are very difficult to find. I saw the videos on old G series on KZbin, and yes, they seem to produce that natural film look :)

[@nairaintan8946]

Good review mas bro, ada yang tawarin di harga 1,8jt bilang gak ya? Orang Klaten

[@ErrUndefinedVariable]

Most or all of the photos taken in Indonesia, is it Jogja?

[@lensandpaws]

Yes my friend. Saya di Jogja

[@theoell2049]

Where we can find the picure styles that you use?

[@lensandpaws]

They're available on my channel, with separate videos for each. You can also check them out on my blog, the link's in the description. However, the Portra is still on trial, and I'm experimenting with it. Feel free to experiment yourself. Cheers :)

[@Alienform51]

i came here searching food recipes! cool video

[@holdercrypto5844]

Mate, gmn cara setting yg km sebut film recipe?

[@lensandpaws]

You can find the videos of all the recipes in the description. Cheers

[@fadhilmasykuri]

I don't know if I don't understand, it looks like the image quality results are almost the same. Maybe you could provide a sample image that is given extra zoom, so the difference in image quality between the two cameras will appear more clearly😊

[@lensandpaws]

Definitely take that as a note. Thanks :)

[@asunayuuki6037]

G1x berapa frame per second mas, bagus mana dengan G15 / G16?

[@lensandpaws]

4.5fps apaya. Kalau saya pilih G1X kayanya. sensor lebih gede, dan hasil gambarnya emang bagus. tapi belum nyoba G15/G16 sih hehe

[@kukartwork5628]

Lebih berasa kamera filmnya pas motret cahaya lampu pke sensor ccd dibanding cmos

[@lensandpaws]

Keliatannya sih begitu, tapi kayanya lebih banyak variabel yang terlibat, ga cuma gara2 sensor aja hehe

[@GoldSrc_]

Dude, don't speak into the microphone, it's not an SPL meter.

[@lensandpaws]

Will take that as a note. Thanks

[@sirnubenegra]

My dude. Pop filters or move the mic further from your mouth

[@CorkBouldering]

Exposure settings not recipes this is photography not cooking mate😂

[@aldirivaldi457]

ingin meminang g12 buat seru-seruan

[@lensandpaws]

hehe sikat bang