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[@CrystalisDota]

This entire video is amazing, especially if you are a dota nerd and like to think the game. It entails CEB [former pos3] of team OG, after being eliminated from ti10, goes to panel to discuss Secret vs Lgd Gaming upper bracket finals drafting phase. Ceb explains deeply how both teams understand the game, and how drafting is what determines the true game. Drafting phase is another game all by itself [this includes counters to counters to counters... a huge mind game. Feel free to watch entire video if you wish to learn a bit, and learn about Dota 2, and its beauty... However: here's a timer for you: go to 1:57 where Ceeb says LGD invented the TINY strat [ he says "they are the BEST team to enable it"] 6:10 Why first pick vs 2nd pick in drafting matters. 10:00 how drafting let's you dictate PACE of the game... 12:00 Ceb explains why TINY lycan so dangerous and why LGD play it the way they do. 13:00 Ceb says LGD "scales better" they are going 100% with their strat... 14:00 Ceb says why LGD draft is better. and why they broke dota at ti10

[@jemarcatubig3171]

Former pos 3... Did he announce his retirement already?

[@uqi234]

@@jemarcatubig3171 His did tweet that this is his last tournament when they got eliminated

[@jaalahaskins2180]

@@jemarcatubig3171 yes. He announced his retirement immediately after the elimination on Twitter.

[@aldrinmercado3475]

And people say og disrespected ts by not banning magnus. Its not always the draft, og surely expected it and thought they could beat it. But its not always the draft that wins you games, and og was just outclassed.

[@Ampopoltech]

did not won ti10? bet millions on winning team. -ceb easiest money of my life

[@sciuresci1403]

Ceb on the grand final draft panel was brilliant too. Drafting is the biggest mystery to the audience. Even the panelists are usually clueless about it yet it is literally %50 of the game. It was cool to see ceb and notail predict both the picks and outcomes and explain the whole reasoning behind those picks.

[@sciuresci1403]

@@Oldysrv I don't remember any of that. They said the draft favored lgd but they were on a timer to finish the game.

[@sciuresci1403]

@@Oldysrv you ok buddy ?

[@Oldysrv]

@@sciuresci1403 10 iq reply

[@fitapresto5515]

@@Oldysrv isn't notail the drafter since he's captain or misha, the coach? haters really do be hating

[@matthewjackson5128]

@@fitapresto5515 From truesight last year, its mostly n0tail but ceb has a lot of input. They also probably prepare together beforehand.

[@jaalahaskins2180]

Ceb seemed like he was back in his element. I'd love to see him go back to draft analyst for future tournaments. Best wishes on your retirement!

[@RiceKookaa]

hes not retiring

[@sle3ppy]

@@RiceKookaa Look at his twitter, he say it's his last TI tournament

[@BaconFroyo]

@@sle3ppy well, it won't be the first time Ceb retried.... ;D

[@alongpongener8997]

@@BaconFroyo he's retiring only once now. Before, he said he needed some time off, not retirement per se.

[@riptarasaindonesia7795]

@@BaconFroyo he pushed to retire because his eye condition. Just take look at his left eye.

[@sodeznay]

As soon as Ceb join the draft panel, every draft became like the teams actually can hear what Ceb's talking and go drafting precisely to his insights.

[@jdoe3006]

Thats why we need top players that knows how to draft as analysts.

[@JS-es5po]

this is gold for everyone that loves dota. I can imagine Avo+ was in the dota heaven at that moment

[@Thatonedude227]

Yeah I know it was a 3 man panel but Avo+ made the right call by just saying nothing lmfao. His analysis is good but holy shit CEB and Aui are just on that level of insight you can only get from being at the top

[@chrome450]

Aui and ceb are dota nerds. I enjoy their breakdown.

[@siavashdarmani1190]

OMG ceb is just adressing everything that actually happened in the game afterwards. One the best draft analysis done in the dota official content durong this TI.

[@fitt4393]

Yes

[@samharris4721]

Why does Ceb remind me of the professor from money heist

[@srenkierkegaard6433]

I can listen to Ceb talk about dota all day

[@fernandoponcedeleon7963]

Same

[@Popopopipo17]

I know right

[@edwindwicahyo5375]

two times back to back ti champ right there fellas

[@danielv.6415]

It is truly amazing

[@mehmethicgulmez6832]

Listening ceb feels like you watch someting like true sight and its amazing

[@sukivirus]

CEB explained the draft like a chess game. Beautiful analysis. God bless CEB :)

[@jokerwr9761]

Dota IS a Chess game.

[@Oldysrv]

except he was way off

[@LucidTactics]

Best most clearly articulated draft analysis I've heard.

[@rileyhallock4450]

With Ceb retiring, I wouldn’t mind seeing him regularly on the panel or post game analysis

[@martinnovotny3148]

He is not -_-.

[@nicekapaaal]

If Ceb retires from playing, they should hire him as an analyst.

[@NaufalHerma]

Absolutely, one of the best minds in dota

[@lalalala-cs3tn]

wasnt he an analyst before ?

[@arielrahmansyaharifin6187]

@@lalalala-cs3tn He is. TI 5

[@raulsantos6394]

No, thanks

[@Rodski10]

He did retire. This ti was his last

[@linkkut3563]

tks bro, watching it live, it is really drop a tome of dota2 knowledge here. Hope ceb and aui continue in final day

[@justinspark2803]

The beauty of dota is that when a major patch occurs some teams really do struggle on the meta. For instance the alliance before mastered the art of rat doto, when the meta shifted, that team falls apart. Same like for EG in their 4 protect 1 strat back then. Teams who could execute different type of playstyle to the highest level separates them to other teams. That is why im always rooting for og secret lgd and ig. Then a wild Team spirit appears. Sorry for my english it is not my first language.

[@Killer66hitman]

Best drafting panel I've ever been privileged to witness

[@CrystalisDota]

nothing but love to you. i couldn't have said it better

[@last7509]

any panel free of Ephey is refreshing

[@Killer66hitman]

@@last7509 aight dude thanks for your input hope you're feeling alot better getting that out

[@last7509]

@@Killer66hitman about the same

[@ax0r]

Aui and Ceb are at god lvl, I felt the same

[@syafieideris9749]

14:10 Ceb probably want to say that secret has fucked up but coating his word

[@jdoe3006]

Yes, thats what analysts do

[@braderyoutube1983]

puppey said stay down before to og. in the end. eecret also stay down. haha

[@jonaldgobaton8086]

@@braderyoutube1983 lol. Just slap him with 2 TI aegis ceb. Hahahaha

[@michaelphilipgaleon2990]

Certainly shows why OG has the most unfair advantage over any teams. Their coach is playing with them!

[@meomeo9776]

there is no rule preventing coaches to play or lead team tho. Nigma, LGD, Secret and OG at some point plays with their coaches as standing.

[@Hotdiggity11]

So, they are basically a 5-man Alliance? :P

[@tomaurelius5164]

holy shit, ceb and aui combo is teally good

[@CrystalisDota]

indeed. 2x ti champions talking dotes

[@pakapolosatis4695]

@@CrystalisDota OG.Aui_2000 incoming?

[@EpicHashTime]

@@CrystalisDota CEB 2x, Aui 1x

[@rey2103]

@@EpicHashTime his 2x means that there are two TI champs. Not the amount of times they won....

[@witchfindergeneral5366]

Ti champions, plus dota nerds. Really not surprise to have high quality analysis of games.

[@mr.bas1ctv780]

For me, if ceb retire. Valve definitely invite him to be analyst in events

[@winstonz]

Dota has come a long way since the early days of Dota 1 Esports where European teams kept picking Twinhead Dragon and Zeus

[@nicojaewpunk]

Zeus back then so fucking strong, 1 agh can kill 3 people and make the other 2 just 20% hp

[@Thalaranthey]

dota 1 days? just before dota 2 spec/es/cm trilane was a staple played every time you could, with WR on suicide lane xd thd and zeus werent even picked that much iirc

[@winstonz]

@@Thalaranthey early early days before East meets West .

[@Thalaranthey]

@@winstonz but West vs East on doto happened while pendragon developer doto, thats as early as it gets o.O before that i dont think there were even any tourneys

[@UnrealChaosHD]

Merlini Zeus was sick, he was ahead of the competition. Those games between KS and MYM were sick. Going all the way into the final era of MYM vs NAVI. Good times

[@kylevincent4024]

Ceb honestly should panel after he retires from pro play. Also excited for true sight!

[@ZagaLives]

He retired once already become a panel since 2015 he was really good that's why OG picked him up as coach

[@kylevincent4024]

@@ZagaLives cool stuff

[@evilkamatis542]

He WAS an analyst before playing in OG.

[@kylevincent4024]

@@evilkamatis542 im SORRY man

[@RakeshSahu-cr9ks]

Ceb is such a gem of a Dota personality, his understanding of drafts & interpreting them is on another level, compared to that of any other analysts at this moment. That's talks about the reason why he came from being a coach to a player and grab 2x TIs. Now, imagine Ceb & Puppey in a team - Drafts will be God Level!

[@kevinreyhan209]

no, having two heads as a 'drafter' would not be good for a team. We have seen it with kuro and puppey back in team secret, they better have their own team so they can maximize how they draft.

[@RakeshSahu-cr9ks]

@@kevinreyhan209 Agreed!

[@MHScald]

@@kevinreyhan209 i mean they made it work ti3 navi

[@thesphyrth]

I love love loving his Analyst & Coach Modes, and I also love hating his Toxic Mode. His Toxic Mode is so good that he can make me hate him so much.

[@RakeshSahu-cr9ks]

@@thesphyrth If you have watched the TI True Sights, which I'm sure you did, you can clearly see that Ceb is an extremely positive and highly motivated guy. He certainly is toxic no doubt, and I'm not defending it. So yeah you can love and hate him, you got the reasons for both xD

[@ngapik6985]

I thought I was the only one who thought Ceb explained it really well what's happening

[@robbyrodriguez8538]

It was based on his experience and his playset is the keyfactor they win 2ti so him explaining this excellent mode is no surprising to me

[@gkclone]

Ceb as TI draft analyst is one of the best thing that happened to TI10

[@Doflaminguard]

People forgot Ceb is a pro caster.

[@RobbieSailo]

Analyst....not caster

[@Doflaminguard]

@@RobbieSailo he casted dota games before being recruited as OG coach.

[@chrome450]

Analyst.

[@RobbieSailo]

@@Doflaminguard he was an analyst....he didnt cast games...casters are the ones that commentate during the games lile TobiWan...ODpixel..etc.

[@remu5376]

@@RobbieSailo tobiwan.. sad pepega

[@vince1987]

You know what, ceb was right. If Secret just focused on one thing, they could have won. OG was preparing for LGD but they did not prepare adequately for the other teams.

[@papacologne14]

Hope to see more of this today !!!!

[@gerardomanabat755]

Thank you for breaking that down for us bit by bit. And for that, you earned another subscription. 👍🏻 More videos like this please! @Crystalis Chronicle

[@Ov3rbr3aker]

Of Course there the best .. they Played the game in the highest level and they are the brains of there teams and lastly both of them are former Champions of TI ... ceb and aui broke the analysis so hard the host just listen and watched.

[@CheeKiatTeo]

wow great analysis from CEB!

[@vallecend6855]

Ceb should really go back to being an analyst or maybe even an in game commentator. His insights are a blessing to hear.

[@huntertide5388]

You got a million dollars, would u hurt your brain and waste your precious time for other success?

[@MrRaikon45]

@@huntertide5388 why not. More money morr better

[@JS_246]

@@MrRaikon45 Why commentate when you can play and win ti? Lol. Theres a saying, people who have failed become teachers.

[@tofuteh2348]

@@JS_246 weird comparison, and yet teachers are responsible for imparting knowledge to the next generation. Its not that the job is worse, it's just undervalued.

[@Hotdiggity11]

@@JS_246 Look at his left eye. It's all messed up from whatever surgery he had from a retinal detachment. He probably can't look at a computer screen 60+ hours a week anymore to train for big tournaments.

[@darian2975]

Damn Ceb has deep understanding of the game after years of playing and coaching. Best of luck

[@sammyd5098]

Still didn’t ban the Magnus

[@riptarasaindonesia7795]

@@sammyd5098 still won 2 TI, back to back. So?

[@dragonbane44]

@@sammyd5098 Yeah, I don't understand why they did not. May be because they wanted to beat Spirit at their best like they did with Tundra and their WW mid.

[@ahnaud6209]

@@dragonbane44 they were arrogant haha

[@eldrickzero4885]

people keep wonderiing why they didnt ban magnus. It's actually because magnus is so high priority they know its going to be picked. So its better to counter it than forcing Team Spirit to pull out a new strat which would be unknown and then they would have to think of a new counter draft. Its better to fight a known plan than unknown plan

[@SKYSHOTGAMING]

legit learned something from this thank you ceb!

[@Thatonedude227]

Holy shit this is amazing. Aui and CEB coming in with the ultra deep knowledge.

[@seanreilly6618]

So LB huge disadvantage if playing the same meta as UB

[@alexcheng5276]

The way Ceb and Notail complement each other in their analysis in the grand final was really good too. Really helps common folks (like me) to really understand what the greatest mind of dota is thinking. Edit: don't discount Aui2000, he's holding his own well.

[@hichew1021]

It shows MMR is not just a number quoted by dendi, the skill difference is there showing how rank 1 outplay people in pro matches

[@xperia9224]

if not mistaken, OG have draft analysis also…

[@RobbieSailo]

Ceb's understanding of the game is so deep man...

[@QRX-]

Atleast Ceb already gets the call of his lifetime reached the peak of Dota before his retirement, still a legendary icon to be remembered by the following Generations

[@ruelmuico5386]

After listening to Ceb, I therefore conclude that I know nothing about Dota 😂😂😂

[@lalalabababa6775]

Me too xD

[@keideepabilonia4698]

If somehow they put up a DOTA 2 Academy, and Ceb is one of the professors, I'm more than happy to go back to school. So much wisdom from this guy.

[@edymiguel4247]

Gotta say, maybe the reason they are so good at drafting and such is because they have Faith_bian and 'y, who where on that Wings team that won TI6 with really good drafting. Add that Ame is one of the best carry players currently... strong team

[@xavierazad]

Xiao8 the coach won TI4, Faith_bian and 'y won the TI6... they do have a better understanding of the game overall maybe, but it's more so because of their patient play. OG had 3 players who won two TIs as well, that didn't win them a single game against Secret this TI because OG's playstyle is usually more early to mid game centric, they like to run at people, take racks 20 minutes in. But this patch things have slowed down a lot, so that just results in them losing games.

[@thanhlu3965]

@@xavierazad bro OG playstyle is famous for turtling. 4-1 strat, they could have done so much this Ti since Sumail could play carry like ana. However, Topson this Ti not really good so OG lose so much from early to mid.

[@FrogWalrus]

@@thanhlu3965 Topson was pretty damn good in their last four games.

[@shiroyuki_]

@@thanhlu3965 you're right. but their current lineup doesn't really fit the turtle strat since all their players atm have a pretty aggressive in your face playstyle

[@legendsleagueclashofclans3772]

Their draft wasn't good, they basically were picking everything and fucking enemies KEKW

[@sexybrunchset8881]

after hearing their sentiments i just realized that dota is such a beautiful game. So complex and hardcore as hell. Makes you think really hard because every little bit of detail is need in order to increase your chances to victory. even though i havent played for such a long time, i still find myself intrigued with this game.

[@SamuelHauptmannvanDam]

That Ceb and NoTail joined made all the casters better because it meant that the casters was actually looking for what Ceb was talking about, in a way they wouldn't otherwise. So it was suuuuper important for the final game casting.

[@red9ine992]

Ceb as analyst? I'll take that all day.

[@chic-fil-ashouldopenonsund3623]

i wish the organizers would get notail or ceb for grand finals draft analysis. they both dont shy away from revealing what they know of the other teams. they dont care whether they reveal a glimpse of their strats to everyone as long as they give the audience good analysis on the drafts.

[@chickenhater]

@5:00 director: "please focus on secret" cameraman: *focuses on secret...lab*

[@DLVNRPN]

Man the analysis. 🔥

[@romaztapaz2232]

i see,that's why og wants this guy as their coach

[@solac388]

Really loved this!!!!

[@beyOndzZz]

I can listen to Ceb talking dota all day. And i dont even play dota anymore. Crazy

[@heiwa8697]

Ceb really do know what he's talking about

[@ViperDivinity]

Ceb in Analyst Table make him look really natural with this job!

[@sunni96]

Current analysts will be shook of losing their career when Ceb retires

[@danielv.6415]

He retired, didn't he?

[@ganangprayoga7970]

@@danielv.6415 the analyst not the pros dude

[@danielv.6415]

@@ganangprayoga7970 ? OP said that the analyst would be shook when Ceb retires, but I think he already did

[@ganangprayoga7970]

@@danielv.6415 dude OP said losing their career meaning the fear of analyst getting replaced by ceb since he's retiring

[@danielv.6415]

@@ganangprayoga7970 ...yes I understand that. But OP said "WHEN Ceb retires" so it seems like OP is not aware that Ceb has already retired. Just pointing that out.

[@themind1401]

I said this at the start of tournament. They may even use a software for this. However spirit shall win the Ti as other factors relate to this.

[@Axel-ip6bh]

Thank you Ceb. All the best

[@kailenpiardi2721]

THIS VIDEO IS BEAUTiFUL

[@vladyslavdiumin4124]

Agreed. Ceb is just hilarious as an analyst!

[@laurencejudeabinguna3985]

No offense to the new coach of OG. But for me ceb is still the greatest drafter for the team

[@MrAmobius]

I think Ceb still drafts. Having a coach for most EU teams isn't like China where the coach drafts, it's more for morale or mental games that come before and after the game.

[@lalalala-cs3tn]

or they could be oombo in drafting. like LGD, Xiao8 Y and faith bian helps in drafting.

[@MrFAN-we5jg]

Notail was the drafter for og in ti10

[@juanpalma6595]

@@MrFAN-we5jg yes he is. He just clicks who to pick but ceb is doing the analysis on who to pick and ban if u have observed during the drafting phase.

[@MrFAN-we5jg]

@@juanpalma6595 even in og and secret game...... Puppey out draft notails

[@Kevino0o0o]

Ceb once said he'd love to share his own insight about his dota philosophy but at the same time since he's still played competitively, he can't because then it will reveal too much about OG game plan.

[@bryanmadzcedino6174]

Ceb saw the lycan strat before lgd picked lycan. 🤯

[@strygwyr8704]

Best draft analysis

[@lonelythomas9000]

no matter what hero you pick ceb will come up with a good analysis

[@saltedgerman]

Yeah, LGD looked like they broke the drafting up until game 5 of the finals when Spirit gave them Lycan/Tiny then proceeded to make it look like a 3k cheese strat lol. I think if anything teams gave LGD too much respect in the draft and were trying to find clever counters rather than picking a team that would crush all three lanes and have confidence in the players to do so.

[@LevvyKlister]

For the record Ceb was an analyist in TI5 Panel

[@blackie_5069]

its Grand Final day today and they still haven't fix their audio issues. WTF are they doing

[@kilpacreative576]

especially when they only doing online stream 👁️👄👁️

[@elbryanero6392]

>draft analisys >leaving magnus, winter and lion for Team Spirit

[@jensonlim]

Professor is giving his talk

[@samk7717]

When does Ceb say LGD broke Dota? Can someone comment the timestamp?

[@muhammadfazrulrahman570]

Finally a good draft analyst

[@Ty-jt1gt]

The most important roles is team play in the game. no ana OG no more legend.

[@Stickyrolls123]

LGD broke dota from a draft perspective. TS broke dota by realizing exactly what teams wanted to do in game and countering it. Watching them avoid ganks that they had no vision of time and time again was amazing. I think the whole competitive community will evolve from this. Just like when liquid were the only ones being super efficient with farming and stacking now all teams can do it.Teams will spend time analyzing this and replicate it. I just hope that if every team gets really good at predicting what the other team will draft or do in game that it doesn't make the game stale. Honestly the one thing to do when everyone can predict each other is to do the unpredictable. To roll the dice and take a chance. Great generals do this all the time when faced with no better option or when the odds are not in their favor.

[@NinjaFighterUltimate]

meanwhile, eg draft..

[@lylevincentgilay2584]

Ceb's Analysis is on the next level, the time LGD pick tiny he knows already they will pick lycan/venge/io/ogre.

[@taepro64]

You know what's funny about this, he's been doing this even before he won his very first TI's.

[@taileddaddy4435]

The way he talk is like he has so much in his mind that even his mouth couldn't catch it

[@ameliawatsonvoicepack4297]

Ceb draft analysis? I can do this all day

[@amirzam_]

Ceb is main reason OG back to back Ti champ

[@baradoinidoro2114]

They did the same when IO carry is still reliable

[@7nage]

Broke DOTA and still didn't win, nakama powa prevails once again

[@user-bm4gk7uw1n]

waitng for true sight ti10

[@GreedoBeats]

Ceb is one of the best analysts on Dota, hes a true mastermind

[@chrome450]

This should be the kind of people they hired during the picking/banning pace.

[@shubhamsarafo]

feeling sad for secret

[@last7509]

why? after a good night sleep and having so much information now including noticing their own mistakes, feel worried for lgd.

[@ainzooalgown2445]

Still waiting for true sight

[@architecthyde]

Wow. CEB obviously could be a great commentator

[@anonymous_FoX]

ogre maggi is pronounced "ow-ger mag-jai" or "ow-ger mag-gee"?

[@Competitiveforlolz]

Why not Bloodseeker vs LGD? One of the best counter-initiators and pure damage/haste based on max health vs tiny, ogre and a very good lane hero.

[@OK-sd3lp]

Bloodseeker isn't good at counter-intiating. Bloodseeker wants to initiate and force you to run away. Do you play the hero ? Try to counter initiate on Bloodseeker if you get bursted down to oblivion. You're funny. Never try going pro XD

[@Competitiveforlolz]

@@OK-sd3lp Yes 6400 mmr bs main. With vision and cast range talent (or blink dagger) you can initiate before opponents can initiate :)

[@OK-sd3lp]

@@Competitiveforlolz Initiating is not counter-initiating. You can bullshit how you want with your so called mmr, but you are confusing yourself within your own terms. Please keep bringing your mmr when you are confused with your own terminology (that is quite simple). Please mate, keep making me laugh. ''With vision'' yeah look at the screen bro. That's a basic concept in every game. LMAO

[@cloudstrife2446]

Game two of this series secret will win if they are very patients to get the momentum.they jump in with out and agies…they control the map for the game two.sad for them. Next time if secrets will be patient also like LGD maybe they can win.

[@josuevasquezdiaz8769]

kedota estoy esperando a que lo traduscas dxdxdxdxdxd

[@kevinwyman2934]

who is going to the finals????

[@kozuta8858]

Ame looks younger here compared to ti8 lol

[@John-zg3st]

beautiful.

[@tanwaduanhe7962]

Ceb: They broke ti10 drafts Team Spirit: Say no more

[@AleksAvramJeff]

This didn't age well as soon as Team Spirit won TI.

[@takao4163]

9:28 The DONG lmao

[@Closed1405]

Ceb giving his being on the analyst panel is so refreshing to see. He's like back to his old self not as Ceb but as F7ckingMad.

[@OK-sd3lp]

It's the same person lmao.

[@catlovers3469]

Lgd were lucky to get to first pick tiny before secret ban it in first match