Cecil Rhodes was not "South Africa's Hitler" | History Defended

The statue of Cecil Rhodes at Oriel College has been at the epicentre of debates surrounding Britain’s imperial past.
To some, he is an inspiring pioneer and philanthropist.
To others, he represents everything wrong with colonialism.
To discuss the life and controversies of Rhodes, Steven Edginton sat down with Nigel Biggar for the latest episode of the History Defended podcast.
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[@karugukiugo4514]

The audacity to say taxation "encouraged" Africans to work for him

[@gopivh]

They promised lower rates if they worked

[@steveblevins8793]

Context is everything. For details, read Thomas Pakenham's monumental work, "The Scramble for Africa."

[@markmacauley8116]

Quite right Steve. A marvellous piece of work

[@koolurjetz24]

Read Carrol Quigley’s Tragedy & Hope

[@Micscience]

How about this for context Cecil Rhodes is the one who started the whole modern New World Order agenda. He donated his wealth for that specific purpose.

[@markaxworthy2508]

It should be pointed out that the Matabele had only conquered Mashonaland some sixty years before ther British arrived. The Matabele were themselves Imperialists.

[@kholeka8475]

But they did not cleanse entire arrears of their inhabitants.

[@ncubesays]

Kindly explain how Matebeleland was an empire? What yoke did the Ndebele place the Shona under?

[@markaxworthy2508]

@@ncubesays The Matabele were a Zulu offshoot who arrived in what is now Zimbabwe as late as 1840 by conquest over the local Shonas. If I remember correctly, the Matabele called neighbouring Shonas "Maswina", which I think may mean "carrion people".

[@billsanmaina7805]

true

[@thecommonword6996]

Right, and not above engaging in slaughter and exploitation by the sound of it

[@Kev4nMr]

So just out of interest who looked more like hitler and how well has the country done since? Why does no one have any grief towards the Romans or any other empire? (Greek, Ottoman…!)

[@blackthanos5957]

Stop the nonsense. America has been topling and meddling with African governments since the beginning of time. Africa is wealthy in resources

[@joelpacheco7360]

Are people better off in Zimbabwe than they were in Rhodesia? Asking for a friend...

[@Swagnermite]

having travelled there recently I can confirm that everyone is so rich - even homeless people have trillions of $

[@tatendacharleszindoga7542]

Wait so a 19 year old came to Africa and took it like a storm. Hate him or not but to have such an ambition is remarkable.

[@manicabawse2867]

Wangu watsamwei

[@koolurjetz24]

Was funded by the rothschilds unknowingly working the ambitions set out years prior by Herzl

[@chadbentoski5778]

Hitler was quite the ambitious man himself. Shall we exalt his merits too? It's always lovely when someone thinks ambition is quality we should aspire too.

[@tatendacharleszindoga7542]

@@chadbentoski5778 The only reason why hitler`s ambition is looked down upon is because it did not work out. Ambition is only good if your achieve your goals.

[@chadbentoski5778]

@@tatendacharleszindoga7542 That's a load of crap. Ambition is almost always worse when one achieves their goals.

[@Joe-ul4uz]

Leopold II of Belgium was the Hitler of Africa. Not Rhodes. Rhodes was, say, the Ferdinand Marcos of Africa.

[@celinejvr7]

True! Wish more people knew about him and what they did in the Congo.

[@jmac356]

Who the blip was Ferdinand Marcos?

[@jaysvthashtag8825]

From Cape Town to Cairo will always be revolutionary.

[@the4thindustrialrevolution225]

There’s nothing revolutionary about masses of sheep.

[@artsahobby123]

A book called "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin has a different opinion about Mr. Rhodes.

[@jamesmcintyre1675]

Where did the 7 wills of Cecil Rhodes end up?? As none of his fortune went to his aires. 😉

[@artsahobby123]

@James McIntyre Not sure James but Probate Law seems to be a mess.

[@jamesmcintyre1675]

Went to a secret society to expand and preserve the British Empire then the power shifted to the Rockefellers to implement the New World Order from the UN as we know it today 😉

[@reinhardtburger7108]

Read "Tradedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time" I am afraid Oswald Spengler was right. Cecil Rhodes marked the start of the empire phase of The West and there is no going back from that just collapse.

[@ItalianAmericanmafia]

That argument that the Europeans had a right to mine Africa's resources because they had the equipment needed to get the minerals is absolutely bonkers, it's like me saying because I have a shovel and my neighbor doesn't I therefore have a right to dig for gold in their yard because I have the equipment they do not as of yet possess.

[@chroma6947]

Were the ottomans entitled to Balkan women? Were Mongols entitled to kill most of Asia and a good portion of Europe? No. Then shutup

[@BizarroLanigirod]

@@SirDrakeFrancis so black Africans didn't have gold before the civilized white man came in to mine it?

[@SirDrakeFrancis]

@@BizarroLanigirod their mining technology or knowledge about geology (basically nothing) didn't let them have mass gold extraction ( so most of the gold will go unnoticed), in most places where there was gold, they didn't even mind about it, but if they did in the other hand, they will be extracting only a little if not nothing, but about diamonds, sure they were not extracting it. And i was also talking about other precious materials.

[@jhonklan3794]

Its absoltely right though. Its also not justifying the act of imperialism. Its saying that those rsources are not african because africans were not the ones who obtained them. Which is true.

[@jhonklan3794]

It would be more like claiming the oil underneath your freinds house is his simply because he lives under there. Even though that oil would be worthless and impossible to access without specialized equipment.

[@sikelelamchunu47]

Rhodes the Illuminati Head master

[@jamesmcintyre1675]

Rothschild gofer to plunder all the diamond and gold mines.

[@murrayeldred3563]

ELVIS is alive and well and working at the Rotana Hotel in Khartoum.

[@Greatnews4me2]

👍🏻💯👍🏻

[@fuzzyslippas]

not the hitler, certainly not. He's more like the Columbus.

[@haroldrussell2017]

He went to Africa to core his sickness

[@h3was547]

It's in many of his people ( "it" being The sickness of colonisation and White supremacy/White imperialism).

[@lioneljaftha3473]

Can homosexuality be cured ?

[@karelglasner2673]

Can depravity be cured?

[@easterncypruscricketclub36]

Imagine if no Europeans colonised Africa, what would it be like today ?

[@MrAM4D3U5]

It would like exactly like it looked a few hundred years ago. There are places in Africa that have never been colonized. What do they look like?

[@daveramses8236]

Like the great civilizations it had when Europeans were living in caves and the dark ages

[@SirDrakeFrancis]

@Kraken Thunder no, there are many european nations that didn't colonize and are super rich. And colonisation sometimes (like the case of France) costed them more than they won from it.

[@proverbalizer]

@@SirDrakeFrancis A dozen African countries are forced to pay $500 billion dollars every single year to France. France wouldn't survive without it's thievery.... And we can also talk about what they have done and continue to do to Haiti

[@doomdimensiondweller5627]

@krakenthunder7046 Finland,Switzerland,Norway,Sweden and Monaco.

[@ncigomncube6428]

These colonists can lie chaai wow

[@nubian47]

He is an apologist for Rhodes atrocities plain and simple

[@malopephasha5341]

Rhodes is no hitler just stop a reasonable comparison would be leopold II of Belgium

[@karelglasner2673]

Bill Clinton Rhodes scholar so yeah

[@jamesmcintyre1675]

Read Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley.. watch the Bill Clinton inauguration to the democratic convention in 1992

[@D.Strawhat]

@@malopephasha5341the fact that u even think theres a difference is hilarious lmao They’re all evil ppl burning in whatever hell u believe in lmao

[@shmeidog3573]

Can someone tell me why they think the people in this video are delusional and crazy?

[@_gnoam]

Google who he actually is and then see this interview again

[@FREEDOM9w9]

Insane people

[@haroldrussell2017]

He went to Africa to core his tuberculosis at age sixteen

[@bob_0146]

A lot of woke crybabies in the comments

[@user-fx8ye7nd7i]

Facts

[@peterrooke5336]

Cecil is under a Hugh great big rock in Africa, I doubt he even cares what happens to his statue .

[@willx8422]

never heard someone defend british colonialism so poorly

[@Dragon-Slay3r]

Cecil they have made into ceaser (oly) so he eye bursts out from the tube from rocky handsome 😂 so then they can say rhodes was behind it Regards The world of jinns 😂

[@greypaladin7361]

Right! King Leopold was.

[@murrayeldred3563]

Leopold u cannot compare to Rhodes. Leopold was a complete and total CLunt.

[@thegreatone-australia1851]

So this interviewer seems to think imperial Britain brought no benefits to Africa? Thank god for an intellectual intellectual pointing out the facts.

[@aya2s]

This interview is just incredible. I'm not sure how Nigel can say these things honestly.

[@MochaQueen5]

Africa needs justice and so do all the countries that were colonized. Unil Europeans experience what their forefathers did things can never be made right.

[@silver4831]

Groups of europeans have been enslaved many times, read some bloody history.

[@bhok1971]

Nice try 😂

[@lxnjomana4688]

Stop cheapening the memory of Apartheid and colonization in South Africa... Who said weren't capable of evolving from shallow mining

[@PiedFifer]

Great watching an intellectual not allowing a young sophist attempting to drop all relevant context and to play gotcha.

[@francoisbekker4857]

What an apologist for Rhodes!

[@cody_dbn]

My thought exactly

[@scatman8963]

Care to elaborate?

[@shawnv123]

cry about it

[@MissouriGuerrilla]

Boo hoo!

[@jamesmcintyre1675]

People don’t know anything about Cecil Rhodes.. they need to understand Carroll Quigley.. Georgetown Professor that had a a famous student called Bill Clinton that was a Rhodes Scholar. That statue will never fall as it has such a large significance to a small group of people at the very top of the Hierarchy.

[@michaelbuehler3897]

Cecil Rhodes did nothing wrong.

[@jamesmcintyre1675]

Nah he just did everything right for a small group of powerful banking interests in the city of London.

[@user-rd1nw8gi3t]

He isn’t british

[@cre8toelevate]

sophistry (n.) a deliberately invalid argument displaying ingenuity in reasoning in the hope of deceiving someone.

[@jqv002]

What's ur counterargument then

[@brycemjohnson97]

Comedic,

[@cca3848]

what a totally one sided and bias interview

[@jamestheory9967]

This is the best BS I seen today.

[@lethabophasha4841]

This is the funniest thing I've seen this year. I pray to reach this level of delusion someday.

[@murrayeldred3563]

Bongo v Coup today's news from Africa.

[@bonolomakgatadeluent3150]

This guy is talking nonsense

[@Dragon-Slay3r]

Plastic dome

[@pulakekana1079]

I’m south african and live in the areas “Rhodes” brought terror on. WTF . What this guy did …. has the British given back the heads of South African Kings who opposed them?!😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

[@larrydugan1441]

How is the corruption in South Africa?

[@jhfdhgvnbjm75]

A citable reference would help, as I can find nothing about this online.

[@markaxworthy2508]

What heads?

[@str.77]

given "back" to whom exactly?

[@0ldb1ll]

Translate and explain 'Usuthu'.

[@str.77]

Rhodes was a bad dude. But iconoclasm must be opposed by all means.

[@nicbahtin4774]

what a great and based man

[@iliveinDDR]

Good video.. nice to see someone who knows what they talking abt doing the talking for once instead of a bunch of ppl with no concept of history or Rhodes in particular..

[@jsingh1199]

Well let what rhodes did to sa and the people happen to this lad and his family then see what he thinks seems like a lot of karma is happening in the west now.people just trying to justify wrong doings. He killed thousands of people and Hitler loved him.

[@tjb70]

Claptrap from apologists for imperialism!

[@fanaramaite4120]

Embarrassing

[@SnothiDladla]

What nonsense content is this from the interviewee?

[@BizarroLanigirod]

rhodes apologist

[@bekitavaka]

Disgusting. What else can one expect

[@charlesgray6149]

that was a horrible interview, it seem like the interviewer didn't have no knowledge about Cicil to counter the lies this man was speaking in Cicil defience

[@paulcarpenter885]

Mind pointing out the "lies" the good professor told? Forgive me if I trust him over a random

[@karelglasner2673]

Perhaps they are both Rhodes reputation protection racket

[@murrayeldred3563]

Spell check required.

[@kayleps2210]

Stop with the clickbait style headlines. Rhodes was a terrible man. Period.

[@paulcarpenter885]

Your opinion isn't fact. Period.

[@jamesmcintyre1675]

Haha Everything has came full in full circle now from a British Empire to a New World Order as we know it today ran through the United Nations… FACT

[@karelglasner2673]

Yes, and why Bill Clinton was a Rhodes scholar.

[@jamesmcintyre1675]

Some of the figureheads in the Biden administration are Rhodes Scholars to

[@Michael-0000]

Rhodes did a lot more to develop the country and ultimately a lot more good for the lot of its inhabitants than Mugabe did. Period.

[@user-df1kb8cv9j]

No, he was worse.

[@agastyakapadia7077]

15;15 NO?? I am now coming to the conclusion that this professor is utterly useless with his defense of Rhodes. Rhodes was no saviour. Just my opinion.

[@Cacucksian]

When I saw “history defended” i knew in order for this information to retain its self within my brain first I must clear out previously learned propaganda for an even more foolish and deliberately delusional take.

[@viwelolwane]

Unbelievable... He is defending someone who committed genocide

[@bob_0146]

Where's your proof for this?

[@voxinabox2422]

Who did Cecil Rhodes kill exactly and how many.

[@dexterdedalo7577]

Evidence?

[@theONE-ws8lh]

Lol this mans delusion is insane