Celebratory Kiss Cost Him His Career

Spanish Football Federation President Luis Rubiales kissed player Jennifer Hermoso on the lips following Spain's World Cup victory. FIFA has now suspended Rubiales over his actions. What do you think?
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[@marco_cee_]

One of the ironies is that rather than the Spanish and global media talking about the victory and highlighting the women's game, all the attention is on the controversy.

[@lawsattitude1999]

I mean, no one was watching in fairness.

[@iris4547]

another self own by the insane feminists.

[@nukiesduke6868]

because it helps their narrative. in this case muh patriarchy and sexism. Funny how when a mass shooting occurs if it's a poc doing it they're magically quiet. Kinda like how they didn't release the trans shooter's manifesto when he carried out an attack on a catholic school. But released the guy's racial one within an hour.

[@YouSurfin]

because there is nothing to talk about when they are in the field...

[@victorcates9330]

It seems motivated and ironically cultural supremacist. It was a passing moment and I think the dude kissed other men - admittedly not on the lips. Send him to a seminar (or a dozen) quietly and put the focus on the women's team. If you've travelled, you're aware that other places don't have the same level of boundaries . You could argue that being touchy enables taking advantage, but that's probably more nuanced. I watched a couple moments of soccer the other day. The european players were being more physically friendly with the referees than I've been with anyone in my life. And as a sports fan, I'm aware that many teams seem to pat each other's butts. So there's a conversation about etiquette varying on environment and intent - but where most people accept in principle that boundaries aren't fixed. If we apply standard rules here, then any women soccer players who touched each other in the course of celebrating would also have to attend seminars.

[@Lance_Gilbert]

It is entirely inappropriate to grab a women’s face and kiss her on the lips. That is not your gf or wife

[@main-Bystander]

He is additionally seizing the head of another man. Is that considered acceptable?Have you taken the time to view the video 12:58 or become acquainted with the cultural context? It seems that unnecessary commotion is being stirred. It is a typical human tendency to seek attention.

[@main-Bystander]

Once again, engaging in acts of kissing and hugging is a cultural norm. However, an individual expresses their dislike for this practice, and instead of requesting an apology or simply stating their preference, they chose to escalate the matter to the point of potentially ruining someone's professional reputation.

[@insiddious]

@@main-Bystander his professional reputation was gone the moment he thought kissing a woman out of the blue was okay and acted on that instinct.

[@AllForLoveXO]

Indeed, I thought they were a couple when I first saw this moment. Besides, should we normalise getting kissed by our bosses when we reach our goals ? This is still a ‘work dynamic’.

[@manireltis90]

@@main-Bystander Cultural context? Believe me, in spanish-speaking countries is NOT ok to grab someone's head and kiss them. Specially between a boss and an employee.

[@meghankat1532]

I actually don't agree with Brett here. If someone from my work kissed me openly like that I would feel so embarrassed and caught off guard. I think some of her laughing may have been awkward laughter which turned into anger later when she thought back on it.

[@Demondoink1]

Yes but you are, most likely, from a different culture where kissing people is not common. She even pointed out that it may have made her uncomfortable too, but the right thing to do was to demand an apology from the him, instead of trying to get him fired. It seems like you didn’t watch the video tbh. You’re entitled to feel uncomfortable and demand an apology, but trying to end someone’s career over a moment of over excitement? Cmon, that’s a joke.

[@originalonaid]

The president made a mess of this he should've just apologized and said he got a bit carried away in the heat of the moment

[@juanpablozambrano1678]

​@@Demondoink1the story is way larger than the video. Once you know the whole story you might think different. That kiss was the drop that spilled the glass

[@Demondoink1]

@@juanpablozambrano1678 Okay fair enough, I don't know the whole story, I was just commenting on what I seen on the surface level.

[@RyanRader-fp3gv]

But would acuse him of rape and put him in jail? I see what your saying but people are blowing this up into more than it is.

[@babaluba21]

You forget that there is a human being behind this that was probably very exited and overwhelmed by the moment to stop and think about what just happened. She said she didn't like it and that's enough, she doesn't need to lay on the ground and cry loudly. I actually think it's good she didn't let this incident ruin her mood. I wonder how Brett would feel about her boss or a stranger kissing her like that. I HOPE that people who watch this video are decent human beings that were taught manners, enough to not take this video to the wrong place and know that if Brett thinks it's ok, doesn't mean the rest of us think this way.

[@paulinasancheznunez549]

Hi Brett I love your videos ! I am Latin and I lived in Spain, I know our cultures touch more and kiss more but not in inappropriate ways, we hug and we kiss on the face if we are happy celebrating something but we don’t kiss on the mouth in that way to someone you probably don’t know… maybe in a party drunk and happy you kiss your friends but it’s people you know and it’s always consensual, it’s really inappropriate what he did, and also he has been doing inappropriate things for long time so this bad behaviour is not new… I think he destroyed to himself his career, no one else ! If he would’ve known how to behave nothing of this would’ve happened, We don’t have to blame others for our actions! Our actions bring consequences and he has to learn to deal with that !

[@EVA-ki5vw]

And wannabe conservatives on Daily Wire like Brett, Candace, and Matt are busy shaming women into silence after sexual assaults and these unprofessional actions taken by men specifically.

[@sofiaisa7888]

This is exactly what I thought about too thank you for bringing this info up🫶

[@abubakargarba7666]

Brett you might be right with the way it was kind of blown out of proportion but, the major reason why a lot of football fans are furious with him is the president has been caught in a long list of controversial issues, so this just added up to the long list of the controversies plus the Spanish national female team have been complaining of neglect and all for long now.....

[@Wyomingchief]

That's fine if they want to make him resign or fire him for those reasons then do it. But trying to blow this up into a say is absolutely ridiculous and disgusting

[@TeenageDirtbag8]

yep

[@1.5golf98]

They won the world cup. How neglected could they have been? Surely, there was infrastructure in place to support them.

[@redneckrambo9626]

Irrelevant. Everything you just said is completely and utterly irrelevant. Fire him for these mysterious "other reasons" then and not this celebratory kiss ffs.

[@user-ir1lu1ei4n]

@@Wyomingchiefno

[@rebelliousbynature99]

Depending on circumstances, in the US and UK, such a kiss would qualify as sexual assault according to the law.

[@WalterModel45]

In spain that concept doesnt exist Just "sexual abuse" or "sexual agression"

[@FranciscoCabrera-gs2oh]

Dear Brett, I normally agree with your point of view on many things, but not on this occasion. What this dude did was in the heat of the moment, but it was wrong. He should have apologized immediately, but instead, he handled the situation horribly and now he's in a deep hole. Being Mexican, with many ties to Spain, I can assure you that you don't go kissing anybody on the mouth other than your spouse; cheeks are perfectly OK, even with people you've just met. (In fact, I've always been uncomfortable about the fact that in the US and Canada, some family members kiss each other on the mouth. I know this because I've lived in Canada for almost 3 decades.) The fact that he's the boss adds a level of inappropriateness to the situation. What do you think?

[@manireltis90]

True!

[@brennefleisch]

All it takes is getting on your hands and knees groveling to the feminists for the rest of your life to get them to spit on you as a token of tolerating you still living. Get real, there would never be any forgiveness no matter what his actions were after the fact.

[@brianrodriguez6897]

Nos haces ver como niñas que solo quieren chillar. Esto no es para tanto. Ojala Brett ni lea tu comentario pesimo.

[@Trxpzioi]

I got the notification for this video when i was watching ratatouille at the scene where he kisses the female chef

[@sleepyotter.]

bro what💀💀

[@AdamPruett]

How ironic😂

[@jayz4dayz763]

Lmao 😂😂

[@TreFancy]

Random

[@eye_straindigital]

It’s a cooking show man!

[@harshanbhattacharjee4737]

Trust me, there is a lot more to this story. There was literally a war going on between the Spanish women's football team and the Spanish FA and their team coach long before the world cup even began, and Luis Rubiales has been a very controversial figure for a very long time.

[@Daniele858585]

okay, but we can judge only the video, cause all of that it's just speculation, and we can't destroy a man carrears on speculation, or we would be like old christian inquisition.... Proof that he is a shit of man, and we would change opinion, until that we have only that video, and it's not so much a big deal...

[@TheNinjapancake14]

Idk what Daniel is on about but I agree. The kiss alone was weird, and definitely unwanted. I would hate to be in her position. That alone may not have been enough to fire him because of the position he holds, but piled on top of his other controversies, I think this was a breaking point.

[@diabloajax9884]

*Source: “trust me”* And this time it’s actually literally 😂 The rest of the world doesn’t know about all of those speculations and absolutely doesn’t care about that. The only thing the rest world knows about and cares about is him giving a little kiss to his star player. That’s all, that’s what the world is talking about.

[@harshanbhattacharjee4737]

@@Daniele858585 I'm actually agree with what Brett said. I thought she would want to know that there's a lot of backstory to this. That's it.

[@harshanbhattacharjee4737]

@@diabloajax9884 I agree with what Brett said. I thought she would want to know that there's a lot more to this story. I didn't just say "trust me" without proper information. Go look it up and see if I'm wrong.

[@ThinkFitMind]

The guy literally threatened to sue all the female players who defended her

[@RustieFawn]

As he should. Opportunistic bullies need more consequences.

[@insiddious]

@@RustieFawn Ok Mo Lester

[@franyou152]

@@RustieFawn I think the man is insane (im spanish btw) but about the oportunistic thing you are right, in Spain the have passed a law than can allow rapist to walk free sooner, (a law stablished by the left BTW, called SI es SI) but no one bats an eye, this happens and the same people that aproved the just mentioned law go insane. He is insane but they are also oportunistic bullies

[@RustieFawn]

@@insiddious I'm not your dad, karen

[@RustieFawn]

@@franyou152 If you're spanish then you know mangers and players kiss each other on the mouth, after winning a final because of the excitement, all the time.

[@manireltis90]

I wouldn't want any boss, woman or man, to grab my head and kiss me on the lips to celebrate any kind of victory... 🙄 We shouldn't defend the undefendable. What he did was wrong.

[@david5544g]

You, in your sad life will never be in that position so you really can't say?

[@guillermin1234]

Also are you from Spain?

[@guillermin1234]

Didn’t think so you don’t understand our culture

[@BrazilianImperialist]

The player was literally smiling lmao, they both had an affair, you too sad

[@coltonwilkie241]

He doesn't deserve to lose his career over it though. He did something stupid, he didn't rape or finger her, he had bad impulse control.

[@BarbieandLana]

I get that i am less touchy than most people, but if someone did that to me, especially my boss, i would feel so incredibly violated and sick for days. While there are worse forms of assault, i would definitely feel assaulted. And while i get that this is not the norm, i believe that i (and she) have the right to feel that way considering she had no option in the matter. Everyone has a right to their own boundaries and should be able to set them. Him "being caught up in the moment" doesn't give him the right to potentially violate someone like that.

[@PGHEngineer]

As a guy it's sometimes a bit difficult to relate to these things - I'm not really that bothered if some disgusting old unclean toothless homeless woman were to give me a wet kiss on the lips, at least not to the extent I'd bother to run to the police. On the other hand, I wouldn't be too happy if Rubiales kissed me on the lips. That would really p*ss me off.

[@stegosaur9812]

agreed

[@TheNinjapancake14]

AGREED. I would avoid my boss after that

[@RustieFawn]

Never play pro sports then. It's common in the men's team

[@TheNinjapancake14]

@@RustieFawn so not in women's...

[@Mist3rEM]

What he did was disgusting. That being said, the gender double standards are ridiculous. Where was this outrage when Jenny McCarthy grabbed and kissed Justin Bieber on stage without his consent?

[@jacknelson927]

The entire society of media don’t like that they always wanna shame and humiliate us men but when women do the same thing nobody bats an eyelid

[@christophernoble76]

madonna and drake lmao

[@TeenageDirtbag8]

ok nope not doing that bullshit

[@Elisa0n0]

Katie perry and that little kid

[@IphigeniaAtAulis]

It wasn't Pink, it was Jenny McCarthy.

[@FilmRanks]

Not everyone’s wants to be kissed and if a woman doesn’t want to be kissed by a man than that should be respected. Some people need to realize if you don’t want to be kissed then that needs to be respected.

[@nemboy1567]

True but in this instance it's not a big deal

[@manireltis90]

@@nemboy1567 Why it's not a big deal here?

[@nemboy1567]

@@manireltis90 bcos Spain just won the world cup, the president was excited as well as everybody. Although he didn't kiss others on the lips but he hugged and pecked everyone after her with the same excited energy even the male coach. Stuff like this have also happened/happen between players on the men's football due to over excitement. This stuff is just blown wayyy out of proportion

[@kathleenwisialowski4558]

A "I'm so happy kiss"? WTH.

[@thejp613]

And he asked for the kiss he can see asked

[@carol112244]

I completely don't understand how you can justify him kissing her. This was clearly assault, there was a lot of happening at that time and she would have been going through a lot of emotions not only focusing on what just happened but after calming down she clearly stated she didn't want that kiss. Are we going backwards now allowing men to assault women and after they are getting backlash justify it by describing this as just a cancel culture? This is madness. Imagine this happening in the office and CEO kissing one of the managers cause she got him a lot of money. This is a professional environment, act like it.

[@insiddious]

She acts like she gets kissed by random dudes on the lips everyday.

[@neonbible08]

Europeans kiss each other during sporting events all the time

[@Anigeriantakewithdeo]

I feel like the Americans commenting in favour of the player know nothing about Football. To be precise Hispanics and Italians and Portuguese and South American countries. The man also kissed his fellow man during the same celebrations. I guess in that moment he was treating her as an equal and didn’t think that through because that is literally how they behave there (again, if you actually follow football and watch Latin countries, you’ll know). We actual football fans see it all the time. She may not have liked it but that wasn’t an assault. An apology from him would’ve sufficed. Blowing things like this out of proportion belittles actual victims. Honestly I watched this happen live and I kept thinking this man must have a good relationship with the girls, they all seemed to really like him so this is just weird.

[@Anigeriantakewithdeo]

@@Lari_SP glad you said “random people “…president of a team who has just won the World Cup is not a random person. Footballers that are teammates peck one another and hug tightly and even smack the behinds of one another. I really dislike it when women start to act brand new like he just pulled that reaction from his a. He literally kissed and hugged EVERYONE tightly. Including the men. While I don’t think he should have kissed her on the lips, it was simply over excitement in the heat of the moment, not malicious and definitely not assault. As an avid football fan and lover, He is not the first Latin man I’ve seen get emotional and carried away! Happens every other tournament. Trying to ruin his career over it is really uncalled for. An apology is fine and settling it within the team. Women want to be taken seriously but you become vindictive and vile over little things and that overshadows the achievements. BEST WOMEN’s WORLD CUP EVER Yet my gender is talking about silly things. I’m just weak.

[@Maiso-caege]

@@neonbible08 not on the mouth

[@lilyesparza1080]

Followed the story cuz I'm a soccer fan. I don't think it was only the kiss that got him in trouble but everything else that he is accused of doing that makes the kiss worse. Do some research, this guy is accused of using Spain federal money to travel with a woman to New York, questionable parties, ect. Edit: this is not a attack on Brett's point of view, just sharing my opinion because there is more to the story that was not mentioned.

[@lawsattitude1999]

Yeah, a lot of media seem to be over playing this issue as a deal breaker when it's more like the final straw.

[@5uper5kill3rz]

Yeah also, regardless of whether you think he’s in the wrong or not, he’s an idiot, he’s clearly been living under a rock for last 10 years to even think this was remotely a good idea & to then think he can take on the whole of social media and fight it, it just isn’t gonna end well for him, needs to take the L and move on

[@TeenageDirtbag8]

exactly brett doing research will never ever happen

[@Elisa0n0]

@@Elatenldude it’s different in some parts of the world calm down

[@marinlukacek7821]

​@@Elisa0n0 khm Futbol Futebol Latin America and Spain Football England and other European countries Voetbal Netherlands

[@wm8840]

I'm spanish and there's a BIG difference between greeting kisses on the cheeks and someone who you're not romantically envolved with suddenly kissing you on the lips, his behavior was completely unacceptable and maybe it's overblown but I'm glad he's getting called out

[@raider9784]

They've both said it was consensual, get over it

[@FerutElCampeador]

​@@raider9784you don't understand, this guy had to go because of his corruption. He is going out for the wrong reasons, but for football fans in spain it is good news anyway.

[@raider9784]

@FerutElCampeador ik he's done alot of shitty stuff so he does need to go but even if he hadn't people would still be making a huge deal about a consensual kiss. That's the point I was trying to make

[@zorojurororonoa7649]

@@raider9784 she said it wasn't consensual, it was the spanish media team who lied about it being consensual for both parties.

[@albariveiro2341]

It’s not just about the kiss. He did much more inappropriate things while the game was happening. And you should see all the things he said about the kiss. Brett didn’t show the whole story.

[@hegga_nm]

I don't know Bret, I usually agree with you but I think you're wrong on this one. I'm European and I agree that kiss on the cheek is completely normal thing, but kiss on the lips is reserved for people in an intimate relationship, but it's not unusual to be seen with very close girlfriends or parents and smaller kids. You don't go around and kiss everybody you know on the lips. Now, what makes it even more complicated is the fact that he's basically her superior, and from my point of view I wouldn't like to be kissed on the lips by my superior I'm in no way, shape or form attracted to, just because we won a major contract or something. I would probably be grossed out and I probably wouldn't have time to react as it happened very quickly, so there was really no time to process it + the excitement of getting the deal done is still on, but I would certainly look at it differently once the emotions die down. In addition, I sure wouldn't like this to happen to women in a work environment as how can you keep working with that person wondering what's next, as if he could kiss you in front of everybody, what will happen if you end up alone in the room? I mean, how would you feel in that case? I agree with one thing though, I wouldn't call this an assault, as to make this equal with an actual rape would be crazy, but the only way this would be appropriate is if they were in some kind of a secret relationship and he got carried away... It's sad their win will take a step back so this thing can be all over the media.

[@don_fami]

white night faminist simp

[@vinnylo9418]

The idea here is the context and the intention. It was very clear there was no malicious intent behind it. I mean this will be a very dangerous world we live in if everyone loses the ability to look at the context and also look at the intent. Those people who are on the witch hunt are deliberately missing the intent.

[@hegga_nm]

@@vinnylo9418 So if you grab a random girl's ass while walking on the street it's fine because your intent wasn't malicious? I mean, you just wanted to feel how firm her butt cheek is, nothing wrong there. :P

[@don_fami]

finaly a normal person who's not trying to win brownie points from the feminist rettttddds@@vinnylo9418

[@rvllctt871]

@@vinnylo9418 I agree, let's go back to a world where a male superior can slap you on the arse and kiss you on the lips when he gets excited. I mean what could be the consequences? At the office Xmas party, the boss grabs you under the mistletoe and plants a big smooch it's totally acceptable because it has context.

[@Rubberbandman0529]

glad he finally resigned. You can't do this to someone and expect no pushback from the public

[@efrailemc]

As a Spaniard here, I can confirm that this issue has been taken advantage of because apparently, Rubiales is SUPREMELY CORRUPT in many other aspects of the futbol federation. Personally, I don't believe he should have kissed her (we may be touchy-feely here but not to this extent), but #seacabo is just taking advantage of the situation.

[@5uper5kill3rz]

He wouldn’t have kissed one of the male players, and that’s the issue I think

[@jaimefish173]

​​@@5uper5kill3rzwatch European teams. The Mens teams kiss each other during celebration moments. Kissing is a common thing even between men. It's a culture thing.

[@5uper5kill3rz]

@@jaimefish173 on the lips? no way, I’m European, maybe as a joke? But can’t say it’s common

[@damo9961]

@@5uper5kill3rz MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT DUH Of course he wouldn't have kissed one of the males players - doesn't mean anything.

[@TeenageDirtbag8]

yep

[@lilev4409]

Tbh I would definitely feel assaulted if I was given a nonconsensual kiss on the lips even if it was in a celebratory moment.

[@ascari6460]

The you’ve got a clear case of American

[@lliryk2943]

​@@ascari6460I'm European and I also wouldn't wanna get kissed on the lips without consent lol.

[@lliryk2943]

@@jscal1 okay so would you like to get kissed on your lips without consent? Seems to be okay for you. So if we normalise this, you'd eventually get kissed on the lips without consent every day. Multiple times. Would you still like that?

[@BusesAreFatCars]

@@lliryk2943 This language of "normalising" something is a nonsense Americanism that is rarely (if ever) helpful. Not severely punishing something doesn't mean "normalising" it. Did this person say they'd like to be kissed on the lips? No. Yet you've ascribed that opinion to them anyway. Arguing against a figment of your own imagination. Multiple times? Totally irrelevant to the example being discussed. You've invented some farcical scenario to incorporate into your equally farcical argument. Cool down. People can have different opinions to you. They should also be able to hold different opinions without you sensationalising them into something they're not. You need to learn to look at situations objectively. You're clearly not doing that here.

[@lliryk2943]

@@jscal1 difference is: she wasn't kissed by a "cute chick" but a man who's about 30 years older than her and also in a higher position than her. Kinda her boss. He also didn't kiss her at a random party, but in front of millions. Right after the biggest moment of her sports career.

[@heatharley]

As someone who has been assaulted and didnt do anything about it for almost 2 days (out of shock), I dont agree that her laughing later meant it wasnt upsetting. She didnt even have a moment to process what happened to her.

[@marty2090]

Doing something about it and smiling about it are two different things. If that dude kissed me on the lips there isn't a ghost of a chance I'd be smiling. You really must think we're stupid.

[@heatharley]

@@marty2090 what? I think you are stupid? What a weird comment

[@julliettecoeur]

@@marty2090 exactly. People are so dramatic.

[@user-je7uq9kq1f]

@@marty2090 can you imagine that this is not about you?

[@yambo000]

How is this an assault? And of such an intensity that it would leave someone so frozen as not to know how to react? It's a peck, toddlers kiss like that ffs

[@kennakat7156]

It doesn't matter that she was laughing right after it happened, people can be in shock in different ways, she was also celebrating a huge achievement so in the moment she was trying to be happy. But she has now stepped forward to say that she felt disrespected and that was a non-concensual kiss that she did not want. Yes, people get caught up in the moment but you also have the choice to let those feelings control you or not, he could've just given her a hug or handshake/fistbump and said congrats this is a terrific win

[@happyhalle1657]

Thanks for putting into words what I couldn’t about her laughing after the fact. I agree with you!

[@SamsungJ-pk2fs]

@@happyhalle1657 She was on the radio and said she did not care, and then after all the stupid media, suddenly she is feeling harassment

[@davidriedy5977]

@@SamsungJ-pk2fs yeah I thought I heard somewhere that initially she said she did not care or whatever. and now I guess that's not what she's saying. Idk, I haven't followed the story very closely

[@WalterModel45]

She has been living from it since day Was on national TV this Newyear because it xddd

[@Barbs_Collectibles]

He was wrong 100% grabbing her like that did not give her any way to get out of the situation without pushing him off her. He should apologize! And when something happens to you, you sometimes giggle about it but things change when. You have had time to think about the situation.

[@brumtownmiller6130]

The woman just won a world cup, Spains 1st ever female world cup, she was the star player, shes on international tv, her emotions are all over the place then her boss (essentially) grabs her head and kisses her on the lips! Of course shes not gonna react normally straight away. Its alot of things to take in. Good to no if a male fan ever sees brett, if he gets excited and kisses her on the lips, its perfectly ok.

[@EVA-ki5vw]

And wannabe conservatives on Daily Wire like Brett, Candace, and Matt are busy shaming women into silence after sexual assaults and these unprofessional actions taken by men specifically.

[@fetB]

ikr, watch how the tone changes real quick. Such a bad take from her.

[@yambo000]

I am set to find Brett and to prove you wrong!

[@brumtownmiller6130]

@@yambo000 lmao don't do that, you will end up in jail or beat up by her boyfriend or security guard lol

[@yambo000]

@@brumtownmiller6130 You think? Maybe she doesn't walk around with heavy security with her at all times? Best check in advance. I don't like getting beat up.

[@s.susanmarandi9080]

The "get over it" attitude is strange for me. In my culture, that kiss would have been very problematic; I don't think other people don't have a say in this. Just because you're pissed with the #metoo movement shouldn't lead you to take the guy's side without knowing more.

[@squeet0]

I agree he might not deserve to be arrested or fired, but I do think there SHOULD be some repercussions. A kiss was not the worst thing that could've happened, but it's still wildly inappropriate and I wouldn't want to go back either after that. Kissings one of those things some people view as more intimate than others, like hugging. Some people are casual with hugs, others would rather die

[@originalonaid]

Yes the president made it worse should've just apologized and said he got carried away in the heat of the moment

[@TheNinjapancake14]

I know in some countries a kiss on the cheek is normal. Pretty sure this counts as assault in legal terms

[@diabloajax9884]

@@TheNinjapancake14 Kissing quickly on the lips with the mouth closed is a common greeting in some places of Western culture. South Africa is a good example. But in French speaking Belgium I’ve encountered that as well, got kissed on the mouth by a girl and a guy just as a welcome. Here in the Netherlands it’s not so common but their are places where this happens as well, and we do 3 kisses on the cheeks as well. Not one, not two, but we do three. Suck on that you France oui oui!

[@RustieFawn]

Americans are so sheltered it's ridiculous.

[@nikisimid975]

So i am a major female football fan and this is not the first scandal for their team. There was other unconsented touching of players or staff members (not sure which it was) during the ceremony (Like a boob grab from the head coach). I think it was the last straw for the players. Also he did say it was consentual and made excuses for this kiss.

[@DaisyOrtiz1]

I have been assaulted before and out of shock at first I didn’t react much about it. Every reaction is different The fact that she was laughing about it at first doesn’t say necessarily that it was not hard for her afterwards Everyone reacts to traumatic situations in different ways

[@KneeJerkReactions13]

Traumatic? Soft.

[@TheNinjapancake14]

KneeJerk, you kiss your boss?

[@KneeJerkReactions13]

@@TheNinjapancake14 only once, she started it. Anything else oh woke one?

[@doyoulikecrystalgel]

Jfc every single woman has a story about being assaulted. Can y'all PLEASE stop the cap already?

[@DaisyOrtiz1]

@@doyoulikecrystalgel I will not ask for you to believe me cause you are totally right, most women are capping hard Most of the time they are the ones who generate the situation of abuse (of any kind) and men have normal or defensive behaviors and they play victims. I do not think this is the case, and it is a situation that can generate shock and I agree that it does not merit an expulsion but a sanction Sorry if it's not easy to understand me, English is not my native language

[@TheNinjapancake14]

She’s smiling and laughing and joking because it’s weird! People act like that when they are uncomfortable. Add that to the celebration of WINNING the World Cup. Mixed emotions makes sense. This will not take away from the meaning of sexual assault.

[@jennys999]

You're right that Rubiales could have just gone to Jenni Hermoso and given a quick apology and that should have been enough. However, that's not what he did. He insisted for days that there was nothing wrong with what he did, implying that he was perfectly entitled to kiss her. THAT is what makes this a scandal. That a boss kissed an employee, found out from her own words that she didn't enjoy it, and yet insisted that she did and that he had the right to kiss her.

[@manireltis90]

You're on point!

[@_AshishKumar-jk9uh]

Exactly!!

[@RustieFawn]

There isn't. Literally happens all the time in the men's game. Google it. The scandal is from reactionary karens online. =

[@LadyCassMoon]

I wouldn't want my boss to kiss me. Ngl. I would be grossed out even if we were celebrating. I don't think he should lose his job or anything but it's creepy and he should think about how he 'celebrates' in the future.

[@lawsattitude1999]

Given the situation, I get why he did. Although, doing it on the lips is risky and apparently, it was one of a list of things their federation have fucked up on.

[@messicomps344]

​@@lawsattitude1999you get what he did? If your daughter's boss kissed her on the lips you'd get what he did? Lmfao that is CRAZY bro

[@lawsattitude1999]

@@messicomps344 If it was in a high-stakes game, in celebration? Yeah. I'd also be fine if she was upset and asked for an apology, I wouldn't fire him for it. You're just a kid, so you won't understand nuance. Especially since kissing is common practice in soccer and La Liga. Also, as I said, this wouldn't have been an issue if it were not the lips.

[@light-tk3pj]

Men, this is your green light to kiss Brett in your moment of excitement when you meet her! Just give a quick apology afterward, and you’re good, because this is what she expects in return at MOST!

[@sermindfulspain]

I don't agree with you Brett. I don't know if this is really your true oppinion, but the kiss was wrong to the point it ruined the moment. Even the weird hugs he was giving the players were inappropiate. Spanish girl here, normally spanish men are very respectful and conscius about boundaries and this is not normal in any situation.

[@roejogan2693]

Yeah people here seem to think that Spanish people are uncivilised savages

[@FallenAngelHiroko]

To be fair, we don't know if it's an "Well this is awkward" kind of smile and laugh. She may have been downplaying it until emotions died down. I don't think he needs to lose his job. But he definitely needed to apologize. I don't call it assault. Assault is when there's actual crime being committed. This is harassment at best.

[@bananatitan3080]

yeah agreed. it was inappropriate but people want to ignore that and pretend it's totally normal

[@randomjoe9400]

What? Harassment is also a crime. In the US it could definitely be assault depending on the state. In NH Simple Assault is defined as "unprivileged physical contact."

[@shaphyshaphy]

Nah. If he had just carressed her face or body that wouldve been harassment. It is not acceptable for him in any form or shape to go beyond a gentle peck on the cheeks (because that is acceptable in spanish culture). Look at the way he grabbed her head with both of his hands and locked her lips with his. Thats literally physical s*xual assualt right there. I dont think he should get a life sentence for this but he should be penalized accordingly.

[@brioje23]

I fully agree with this take

[@mklite]

I don't know why is hard to just say it's not okay to kiss someone who didn't ask for it.

[@GCL82]

Because in some Conservative circles, it seems to be considered woke to acknowledge that men do inappropriate things to women.

[@gawagames7877]

"May I invite you for a kiss" "I accept your invitation for a kiss" *Kisses* Consent

[@devthrills2865]

You're right. I would be very uncomfortable if someone who isn't close to me did that. Like If he were a teammate: Okay✅ A coach: Okay✅ But manager.

[@nebojsavelickovic5388]

​@@devthrills2865he is the coach, the kiss on the cheek fine, but on the lips, i think it's too much

[@Mikael-jt1hk]

Nobody normal ever 'asked for a kiss'' you absolute freak.

[@alexisjohnson155]

Walking away and shoving that wtf feeling down in front of millions of people just means you’re tough, not that you’re not upset by it.

[@curiousbrunette2677]

Being kissed on the lips by someone who I only work with is not okay

[@levisiem4145]

I am sorry Brett but for the first time you're majorly wrong about this. As an European I can tell you this is not okay and kissing is on then the lips as you described it is not a normall thing and it was unnecessary. And I am saying this as a person on the right wing side. Its also not about just the kiss at all, it's about a lot of controversies in football these days. Look up some stuff about it first like the case of former Ajax technical director Marc Overmars.

[@yambo000]

Overmars groped and grabbed and coerced to sex, or at least that is what was said of that, I don't know exactly what he did. You can't compare that with this, and if anything such which hunts alienates men and women more. Women seem to complain how men are not taking action, well, why would you if you are one little slip away from losing your job.

[@levisiem4145]

@@yambo000 groped and grabbed? Clearly you are not living in the Netherlands and are not involved with Dutch football. He did not even do anything physical. He only was involved in sending unwanted photos and way of talking. So I don't get your point? Read better.

[@levisiem4145]

@@yambo000 if Joe Biden kisses a woman on the mouth once would you still say one slip when everyone will (rightfully) attack him? It has to do with the fact that he is in a position of power and being an example. Again coming from a Right-winger myself, you are wrong.

[@yambo000]

@@levisiem4145 No I don't live there but sending a graphic image of yourself and also trying to coerce women in to sex with you by the use of your authority at the club is way worse than a peck on the lips. Objectively and realistically. Overmars definitely tried to get some by using very inappropriate methods. The only thing why this Spanish presidente is in trouble is because the women have turned extremely toxic lately. Always assume they will be out to get you. Don't let your emotions cloud any of your judgment. If he kissed Sergio Ramos on the lips it would be funny moment, Ramos, who is not gay, would not even mind and the whole thing would just be one insanely memorable night, untarnished with anything. Here we have a woman who is ready to throw one of their own under the buss, to ruin this great memory for him, who, like it or not, was heavily involved in development process of the Spanish female football. This also ruins it for his family and all his friends. These people won't remember this as the victory but as a very bad event that was unfair to them. But this is the power women have and too often use, the ability to turn any nice moment in to something shitty. She should have known better.

[@neurotic3015]

Just because you're European doesn't make you Spaniard, cultures vary extremely widely in Europe and Spain is quite different from the rest of Europe especially. The idea of giving someone a quick kiss out of sheer excitement in celebration is one that even exists in America and we got it from the Spanish. Was what he did okay? No, he should apologize- but is it an issue like you're making it? Fuck no, it's a minor issue and it's worth an apology at best. We're talking about the KISS, not any of that other shit that you're trying to lump it in with, they are not the same thing and we are not talking about all of that. EDIT: To add, just because in the small area you live your life kissing isn't particularly common, it's objectively wrong to say it isn't in other places in Europe.

[@jackpineda4656]

The only thing I have to say is how he protected the coach who was telling his own players to leave their doors open at night so he can go in and “check on them” and how he later walked into their locker room proclaiming that he wanted to marry Hermoso

[@s3t3-80]

the reason is he put some rules for the players that get called to play in the national team: 1. leave the door of the room open untill midnight so he can go and check they were in their rooms sleeping and resting, 2 if they when out of the concentration hotel they need to tell him, or the coaching staff, where they were going and with whom 3 . they have to tell him everything they eat and when during their time with the team, to make sure they eat what they have to and not what they want to... There was same other ones but not so talled about it. funny thing is that on the male team in most national teams have similar rules, but you know when it happen to women is the evil patriarchy!!

[@BabyRastasaurus]

​@@s3t3-80I think for a women's team , it would be ideal to get a female assistant to take care of this.

[@BabyRastasaurus]

@@engrean you misinterpreted my answer. The coach should be the best available no matter what gender, but the person that enters the girls private space is best to be a woman, so all player can feel comfortable. I had amazing male trainer through my life and prefer them, but whenever I was on competition with a team, we always had a female assistant that was responsible for certain jobs.

[@BabyRastasaurus]

@@engrean i know there is a lot of pain out there because men expect all women to think that way. If we want to hold on old tradition and values, modesty has to have priority and this is part of that. He can train and help as needed, but it has to stay professional

[@SenseiAgot]

@@engrean not really. The guy wouldn't get a job on an elite men's team in his life

[@hadearhermas6893]

Why are you trying to make it look more complicated than it actually is? The guy kissed her intimately without her permission, the whole world saw it so there is no room for sayin "you know some women lie"😅 She was laughing because she just won the world cup and she didn't want to ruin the celebration for everyone or she will be called a crybaby or a drama queen or whatever and she was probably confused and didn't know how to react but she was obviously uncomfortable about it even in the live stream This is the first time I see you so biased and unfair

[@catalinamaria9169]

First time? No

[@kyezustiak]

Regardless of excitement, I don't ever want to justify a person of power being able to do something to me or anyone else that typically requires consent and involves intimacy. I don't agree with Brett here.

[@marahr774]

I'd laugh too out of embarrassment or not wanting to look like a prude or dramaqueen but inside I'd be crying

[@rigobertocastellan1484]

You are missing lots of things that make this way worse. 1. Kissing in the mouth is not a common way of celebrating in Spanish soccer. 2. He is her boss. He can really affect her career, so he has lots of power over her. It is not acceptable in any circumstance a boss kiss a subordinate, it is a power play. 3. The federation released a statement where they quoted a statement from Hermoso where she said that it was not a bid deal. The problem is that the federation made up Hermoso’s statement. 4. Rubuales and Vilda (coach) pressure her and her family to appear in a apologist video with Rubiales. She didn’t appear in it. 5. That video is everything but an apology. 6. He grabbed his crotch to celebrate the victory in next to the queen, the infanta, and England and Australia authorities. 7. He has had lot of problems in the federation (ex. using federation’s money to do an orgy) and this is just the straw that broke the camel’s back. I can go on but I have to sleep. The thing is that you missed the context of what is happening. It looks like you only read some news headlines and some comments and made the video just seeing the tip if the iceberg and not seeing the rest of it.

[@Allx7]

This comment is spot-on

[@lliryk2943]

This needs to be top comment 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@noctambule5726]

Yeah, this exposed Brett as naive an unprofessional. Her worst take ever

[@LukeyBoy82]

@noctambule5726 She does it always, her and Candice are dangerous

[@JMBBrasil]

You are conflating different things. The celebratory peck is taking out of proportion

[@sadiemcc9363]

Um…yeah this isn’t okay you don’t just grab a woman and kiss her, especially one who works for you.

[@ayarriba9093]

Brett you lost me on this one. :( it is not normal to kiss someone on the mouth like that. They aren't in any sort of romantic situation or relationship. I don't think he meant harm by it but he should have apologised... And this is a BOSS.

[@kristinewberg7656]

I would have felt extremely violated if someone grabbed me and kissed me on the lips. However, that is most likely because I've never kissed anyone on the lips except my husband so kissing is very special to me and not to be shared with anyone but him.

[@Juststayhopeful]

Ryt

[@ExaltedPlayz]

W women

[@GCL82]

And imagine someone made the decision for you that you were to kiss someone other than your husband.

[@kingkohli4952]

But would you categorize it as SA?

[@kristinewberg7656]

@@kingkohli4952 I don't know. For me, personally, I would feel as if I had been assaulted sexually, but my personal feelings don't necessarily mean a crime has been committed. I don't really know where the line for sexual assault should be. Girls go and get drunk and make out with drunk strangers all the time, so apparently it's not a big deal to other women, but it's a huge deal for me. Something that might feel like assault to me could feel like a normal Friday night at the bar to another girl. I don't think criminal laws should be based on how people feel, but this is such a difficult subject to determine where the line should go without taking feelings into account. For me, that's where the issue is and why I don't have a good answer.

[@melchiorlise2466]

You don't kiss someone who is not your partner or your spouse on the lips without permission. What's difficult to understand ?

[@noroco5791]

If your boss kisses you without your approval, it's a firable offense. Why would this case be any different? She might not have been crying directly after it happened, given that they had just won something so meaningful, she would have had a lot of emotions to process at that time. I think that it is totally fair for her to feel differently after having some time to reflect on it. I don't know if we should or shouldn't call it sexual assault but it doesn't need to be assault to be unacceptable.

[@mbanlab]

From my experience, I was legally raped, however I hesitate to even use the term sexual assault because of the heavy meaning of the word and how it makes that experience so much more real. Despite this, at the time I was frozen and uncomfortable, and only spoke about it after 6 months of anxiety attacks whenever the thought of being with a guy crossed my mind. I felt so consumed by this experience and so miserable, but still hesitated to label it out of fear of diminishing other’s experience. If I were in the situation of the player, I would be hesitant to use a term that is unfortunately a huge and detrimental part of many women’s and men’s lives experiences. I, however, don’t wish to downplay her experience and look past a clear violation of her personal space.

[@catalinamaria9169]

But can be sexuall assault If It's with sexual intent.

[@Xenix005]

I typically agree with Brett’s takes but there is some empathy missing here. Winning the World Cup was huge for the whole team and emotions were running wild for everyone (as the unexpected kiss shows). The player who was kissed was high on those emotions when the kiss happened, it also happened so fast that she had no time to process this. The video of her laughing about the kiss was still not long after this very emotional moment so she hadn’t come down from that yet. When her emotions were finally stable and she was able to process the whole thing she realized that in that moment she did she did not feel comfortable and that it was wrong. It was not assault but it was inappropriate. Rubiales is in a position of power over the players which makes breaking their personal space and boundaries even worse than they normally already are. Also, us here in the states do not know too much about specific people in Spain. Many Spaniards have an issue with this guy because he has shown through multiple actions that he’s a disgusting man who has abused his position of power. Inappropriately kissing someone added more to the fire. I didn’t do that much research but I know at least this much. Brett, I know you normally do research before you make a video but you missed some crucial details in this situation that adds a lot of context

[@muhammadniyaz4039]

Agreed.......what he did was wrong no matter the situation or the intention. He should just resign. Whether he is a perv or not...thats a different story. But wrong has been done and some form of punishment is necessary so that this does not repeat.

[@ace12915]

Also, he centered her head with his hands prior to planting the kiss. This was no accident, heat of the moment type of situation. Should he resign? Yes. Should it be blown up beyond all proportion? No.

[@Carmen-cl5ny]

yes, she doesn't know about the obscene gesture that he did next to the infanta, who is underage!

[@lena1989_]

As an Spainyard, I have read dozens of articles talking about how Rubiales constantly acted inappropriately and harassed the girls (like asking them the color of they're underwear and stuff like that), so I think between that, and how corrupt he is, they should definitely ban him

[@TheVeillin]

Idk. Even with all that context I still agree with her. It wasn’t right but it’s overblown which takes away from the reality of the situation. A public or private apology is probably proportionate. Assuming it doesn’t happen again.

[@storm1402]

The press in Spain has actually been trying to remove this guy from the job for a while now, it seems to me like they might be partially fueling this because he finally gave them an excuse.

[@avg18]

Bingo!

[@cbg1609]

"The press tried" Not the Government, no, the press. You realize how stupid that sounds, right?

[@cactaceous]

@@cbg1609Correct. It was the press fueled by push from feminists on social media. The government and FIFA are just reacting to the firestorm.

[@jurgenimschoot1704]

​@@cbg1609indeed, the acting government jumping on this from minute 1 has nothing to do with them giving away public money to the Catalan independence parties by means of giving them a parliamentary group and associated funding, released sexual predators due to their botched law reform reoffending nor drawing attention away from their negotiations to form another Frankenstein government making god knows what consesions to parties with barely any representation. This is a political assassination of a man who probably should have been removed for other reasons. The irony of politicians that couldn't even look up the word responsibility in a dictionary calling for his dismissal would be funny if it weren't so tragic. Brett completely missed the political angle on this.

[@feliceserrao9290]

He was stealing for years. We always wanted to kick him out. But this is what is going to ger him fired.

[@coco-kl3xr]

That is harrasment bro if my coach did that too I'll sue her

[@JordjeWing]

Assault in some countries, like the UK, can literally be, by law, an unwanted touch on the arm. Sexual assault can range from a quick kiss, without consent, to a graze of a sexual part of the body, without consent, to full on sexual assault. They are all deemed sexual assault under the eyes of the law.

[@catalinamaria9169]

No, only if It's with sexual intent.

[@JordjeWing]

@@catalinamaria9169 a kiss on the lips is classed as sexual so that would be the intent. That would all have to be proven in court but it would be a sexual assault case

[@JayTheDodo]

I think the kiss was more inappropriate and misguided rather than an assault, however it should never have happened, what a silly thing to do. If it isn't your wife, stay away from the lips. Saying that, I think the player has seen the chance of a payday and is going to take full advantage of it now.

[@5uper5kill3rz]

Agree, like yeah it’s not terrible but what an idiot, to even do that in this day & age on live TV? Must have been living under a rock since 2009

[@messicomps344]

If Brett was publicly kissed by Jeremy Boring and called him out you would immediately assume that it's because she wants a payday and not because it's a non consensual inappropriate action?

[@JayTheDodo]

@@messicomps344 It wasn't immediately, it was well after the drama started doing the rounds on social media So it's a non consensual inappropriate action, what's remedy? An apology? A resignation? A cheque? A criminal charge? In my opinion, he should have apologised and stepped down, in his position he can't/shouldn't be crossing that kind of line.

[@TeenageDirtbag8]

duh stupid

[@ThatGuy-tx4vm]

If there are any phone message leaks or anything that prove that the player is simply milking this and chasing a bag then there should be extreme consequences.

[@GCL82]

Brett, I am disappointed that you are downplaying this. Nobody has the right to kiss anyone else on the lips. Its absolutely unacceptable and its not woke to seee how inappropriate this is. He should have apologised and admitted it was an error of judgement. He didnt though, and that, along with other aspects of corruption within thenorganisation the organisation is why why there is uproar.

[@Jebbiedude]

I had the same feeling watching this. There is much more going on than just a kiss, there are some serious power-issues going on here and that was way before the kiss itself. @Brett is looking at this with the USA Womans team on her mind..

[@therealmaskriz5716]

Yup same feeling

[@yewo.m]

I agree with you too

[@henockgieskes8390]

Cry about it.

[@aponinodin]

NO. I don't care who you are, you don't grab someone else's face, who you are not in a relationship with, and kiss their lips. Don't agree with you here Brett. No child should have unwelcome touch, and neither should any adult, for ANY reason.

[@markb1511]

It's not often I would say this, but this is a real shit take from Brett. You don't just kiss a woman on the lips like that. The same people that (rightfully) rip on Biden for being in people's personal space shouldn't excuse this.

[@urbanblackbear9736]

This isn't the worst Rubiales has done. He put himself in this situation by not being able to keep his hands off his players.

[@Ginx-pe4si]

Geeeshhh how's a man supposed to cop a field these days

[@TeenageDirtbag8]

yep

[@Lex_Luthor777]

​@@Ginx-pe4si they don't think you should be able to unless you're some rich fck

[@GG_Booboo]

@@Ginx-pe4si Men cannot even look and admire women anymore, do they want all men to be gay then! That's western culture for you!

[@jamesredline1352]

Blown out of proportion? Yes. Was it wrong? Also yes. Dude should not act that way and women deserve to feel safe especially in victory. Congrats to the team. Thanks for all you do Brett.

[@barrettorth8413]

If a spontaneous celebratory kiss makes a grown woman feel 'unsafe' then she isn't a mature adult.

[@christophernoble76]

​@@barrettorth8413it's not his first controversial moment, people have wanted him to resign for a while now

[@Wyomingchief]

​@@christophernoble76is everybody else keep saying oh he has controversy sign then fire him for that but to accuse him of essay and fire him for that is disgusting

[@TeenageDirtbag8]

agree with you expect for thanks for all you do Brett

[@jamesredline1352]

@@barrettorth8413 I mean I’m on the fence with that one. He shouldn’t touch a woman in that way without permission. But the way he acted. He clearly did it on a whim and didn’t mean anything bad by it. But that shouldn’t excuse it

[@rightinglegends9289]

When Spain won the World Cup in 2010 in South Africa, the King, Juan Carlos kissed several of the players on the mouth, as did the Prime Minister, and none of them cried assault.

[@kihitsuki]

If touching someone without consent is sexual assault, then so is this. If one of her team mates did it, you might expect that as they must be close and familiar with each other and boundaries, but this guy? In his position? No way! He should have just apologised and resigned, then it wouldn't be getting blown out of proportion. This is all on him.

[@pablocm2358]

I'm from Spain and and I can confirm that all the words Brett says in Spanish (including people's names) are horribly mispronounced.

[@kennycraven2648]

😂

[@cool.chameleon3]

Yes 😂😂😂

[@DroneStrike1776]

I'm Asian, can you pronounce Asian names without horribly mispronouncing them? Obviously, she speaks a native tongue, and it's not Spanish. I'm sure you can't pronounce English words properly either. God you people are so petty.

[@PoorStargazer]

fr who tf is Jenny Hermono?

[@juliedewyer1366]

Who cares 🙄

[@diegocadavid3406]

The reason people don’t like him is because he’s made a lot of controversial statements and poor decisions in the past, I agree this alone shouldn’t be enough to make him lose his job but there’s has already been an agenda against him since 2018 because he just makes rash decision after rash decision just to prove he’s the boss and it has cost Spain in the past. There was a whole drama before the World Cup about how they almost didn’t play in it because of him, once again, I agree that he shouldn’t lose his job for it but that’s just what the Spanish people have felt about him for a while so it’s understandable why a lot of them want him gone

[@That_Stinger_GT5]

I miss the days when social media didn't control the world and make life complicated....

[@simonedagostino9358]

I agree about the fact that it’s been wildly exaggerated, but I still think it’s an uncool thing to do

[@TheDumplingGecko]

For once I disagree with brett. Nobody should be kissing another person unwarranted. This is called an impulsive action for a reason, there was no thought put into this. A kiss has different value to others and clearly this player didnt want it

[@AshtiRose]

you need more information about this. The girl wasn't angry at first because of her kiss, in fact she took it as a joke. The feminist began with all this situation and then the girl change her opinion.

[@berniechoy5482]

I do agree to a certain extent, but in European sports, it has been quite common for men to kiss men after a championship. If a man were to complain about this, would it get as much traction?

[@mkirules]

I agree with you. Maybe it should be called harassment, but it's totally inappropriate

[@MrAkaacer]

You're in the minority and you're making life hell for the rest of us. These dumb assault laws are made for the lowest denominator, so the majority have to put up with woke people like yourself. Watch the men football players, they hug and kiss each other on the cheeks all the time after a goal or a win.

[@lawsattitude1999]

@@berniechoy5482 The lips add a different layer to it in fairness. I can understand the backlash. That said, the reaction to this specific instance seems overblown.

[@maylotte1911]

I think that it is more likely that during all the euphoria of winning she didn’t really digest or realise the inappropriateness of the kiss until a little afterwards. I think that’s quite relatable, it’s only upon reflection just after something that we start to feel a certain way about it and it dawns on us what actually happened. I think it’s also likely that he’s done weird/inappropriate things like this before and that this is why the other women are getting behind the push to have him removed from fifa. I think that if she is saying she is upset by the kiss and instead of just apologising profusely, he doesn’t even seem to understand how inappropriate it was. I think that says a lot.

[@terriiiii]

This also sounds like a “we don’t like him” and this is a group effort to get rid of him

[@Illvzion]

Being happy that your team won is fine, kissing the trophy like that is fine but kissing a human (in this case a woman) like a trophy on the mouth is still weird. Depending on their relationship before that It’s weird Edit* I am aware that in spain they do kiss a lot, I am from sweden which is also europe but we are very much a country that does not even talk to one another. So yes opinions may vary even from europeans

[@QuinnQuell-yt3zm]

Yeah, it is also not normal to kiss someone other than your spouse on the mouth in spain. Honestly if it was, they would not protest against it. It was assault and disgusting behavior. Nobody should defend this guy.

[@Kayleeorsmthn]

Idk I might have to disagree with you on this one, you don’t randomly kiss someone on the lips like that

[@jalenhopson9274]

He doesnt deserve to be fired for it if anything he gets in a little trouble, apologize and we keep it movin

[@JoshPhoenix11]

Grandma's do.. They always do..

[@diegocastara]

Exactly! She just won the World Cup. At that moment, even if she sprained her ankle dancing in joy, she'd still be celebrating that victory! World Cup happens every 4 years! This is not like SuperBowl that happens every year.

[@absolut_dre]

If she would have done that to him it wouldn't be a story

[@AFVEH]

I'm from Spain, that guy should've been fired years ago. He's a corrupt PoS. However, the kiss was consensual. He asked for permission. It's a very common thing in Spanish soccer, even amongst the guy players and it's just seen as celebratory, no homo. A lot of people think that the player has been either paid by or blackmailed by the feminist lobby to claim it was not consensual in order to start a witch-hunt which will claim Rubiales as their first victim.

[@Lechatlulu]

I wonder how Brett would react if her boss gave her a celebratory kiss on the lipps. I also wonder how his wife would react.

[@user-ir1lu1ei4n]

Yep

[@dacoolfruit]

I think things like this should always be seen as a scandal, and should bring ruin on someone's reputation. It is gross, doesn't matter if it is a man or a woman doing it... doesn't matter how excited you are, this is just not right.

[@lex_m_]

I don’t understand how Bret can say this isn’t a big deal. Not because it is a big deal but actually because it’s a little thing. The little things that we find acceptable eventually lead bigger unacceptable things being seen as normal.

[@catalinamaria9169]

Because she's conservative

[@HostileTakeover555]

I think it was inappropriate but I wouldn’t call it assault. He should apologize and everyone should move forward.

[@erenjaeger1738]

I hope it happen to your sister or daughter and you will think differently XD

[@Timmward]

​@@erenjaeger1738hed think the same thing

[@ranoutofgoodusernames8394]

@@erenjaeger1738 If you're trying to make a point or make him change his mind .... you're disgusting

[@crashbandicoot3412]

This is like US ''UFO hearings'' it's a smoke curtain Spain politicians are taking advantage of to divert attention from real issues. So nobody is moving forward they will take this to court and controversy will last months. The feminist Minister of Equality of Spain, Irene Montero. Made some new laws known as ''Solo si es si'', ''Only Yes mean Yes''. In very short words this new laws change the definition of Se*ual Abuse, and now anything you say could be considered a ''Se*ual Assault'', if the receptor FEELS aggrieved saying ''Hello Beautiful'' can be considered se*ual assault. But this doesn't end here, because the definitions were changed and sentences to criminals were modified to fit this new designations, old crimes can be appealed, more than 900 segs offenders will be benefited by this, 100 are already FREE and some are committing crimes again. www.elmundo.es/espana/2023/04/12/6436a4adfc6c83366b8b45b2.html

[@vortexathletic]

But he didn’t apologize tho, he doubled down.

[@nuriiamarcoss]

I'm Spanish and I love my country but it's so sad that we're on the news because of stupid things like this instead of what really matters. I totally agree with you, Brett.

[@KolchakReincarnated16-11]

Wait correct me if I’m wrong but I thought the Spanish are kinda of like the Italians where kissing is not as big of a thing

[@s1gnor3Gepett0]

​@@KolchakReincarnated16-11Yes but on the cheeks not on the lips

[@aliyushuaibu689]

Your president assaulted a footballer in public. That's worth talking about in my book. He should have quietly and quickly apologised and resigned. Instead he's made this a spectacle. You can't be in that position and make these kind of 'mistakes'.

[@Competitive_Antagonist]

Why is everyone overlooking that there's a man called Louise?

[@helena5118]

@@aliyushuaibu689 I don't think he's the one making it a spectacle and this was not assault in any way.

[@dacoolfruit]

No. Not OK. I am married and have only ever kissed my Husband, and I grew up in a culture where kissing on the cheek was NORMAL, but this is too much. I would feel very violated if this happened. That is not OK.

[@Tessaaa233]

I watch all your videos and love your content but this is such a bad take. A man grabs a woman against her will and kisses her on global TV, doesn’t apologize or feel any remorse (a man married with kids) and you say you love him? That’s very strange, Brett. I don’t think you would feel like that if Jeremy Boring or Ben Shapiro kissed you when they were excited.

[@NatalieSBG]

Very true

[@jordanavila1106]

If you’ve never been caught off guard by someone overstepping a boundary as much as that, then it’s hard to understand how you feel afterwards. Laughing it off and not wanting to think about it in the moment is normal. But something like this is extremely unprofessional no matter what his reasons are.and there must be consequences. Although there are much much worse forms of assault

[@PolitikPolitik-fh2qc]

Eh. In the US sure. We have much stricter boundaries. But in Spain it's really not that weird. Even if they were strangers and it wasn't a moment like that. The lips would only be slightly worse than the norm for their culture on greeting and still not completely abnormal. The issue is most people are thinking of this through an American lense

[@tradfluteman]

I appreciate this perspective, and I am trying to keep it in mind as I say that it is also difficult to understand what it is like to be the over-stepper, and to watch your career flashing before your eyes, if you never overstepped a boundary unintentionally with someone this much in your life before. Since men are statistically going to be the ones doing the over-stepping --- since they are socially expected to do more of the chasing and the bravado --- they are disproportionately the ones who have gone through this. So this could very much be a horrible experience for two decent human beings, we don't have perfect knowledge. Justice, whatever form it may take, must either be blind to suffering, or all-seeing of it, because selective empathy would simply be injustice.

[@JohnDoe-xm1ir]

Many people somehow seemed to forget that this interaction happened probably minutes after these women achieved literally the greatest team achievement that they could possibly earn in their line of work. It's a trophy that even Cristiano Ronaldo has never lifted. Is it actually a surprise to anyone that she didn't immediately start cussing him out for it? It was probably the last thing that would be on her mind in that specific moment.

[@tacohitman4003]

omg your such a victim girl! lol pound sand

[@Sunshineattacks3]

@@JohnDoe-xm1irexactly!

[@chaosinfusion8127]

I find it a bit strange that Brett is defending this behavior. It’s not a he-said/she-said situation. This inappropriate interaction happened in full public view.

[@catalinamaria9169]

That's how conservative content creators are. They always defend these people.

[@orlandowright2323]

I usually agree with Brett, but that was clearly assault. I don't care how excited you are, you shouldn't be grabbing someone's head and forcing them to kiss you. If Ben did this to you Brett, I'm pretty sure your reaction would be different and I believe the only reason you might come to this conclusion is because its mainly the left spearheading this.

[@crissd8283]

Yep, I find it interesting that the right will call Joe Biden out when he gets touchy with women/girls but she is defending this activity?? It seems inconsistent. I don't think it is assault and thus, I don't think he should face charges, but I do think he should resign.

[@pollyandrade2125]

I 100% agree. I think it was disgusting.

[@chrisk1180]

This is the comment right here! I like Brett's takes usually I feel they're pretty measured and objective but this one feels more like a knee jerk repulsion to the lefts' reaction but any objective analysis of this situation we'd find ourselves in agreement with the lefties that this situation was definitely inappropriate. No matter how spontaneous that was, he bypassed even the chance for her to give or not give consent

[@mklite]

Brett doesn't agree Rubialies should be fired. She forgets that this incident occurred in a workplace environment. If some random person kissed Hermoso, there could be argument that it should be processed through the legal system. But when a manager crosses the line in a workplace, getting fired is to be expected.

[@tomster7574]

clearly you dont know what you are talking about, your words are clearly assault

[@Joseph-xt3el]

Im all for Calling out overdramatic woman who always think there the victim but that kiss was unnecessary. Ive seen female athletes husbands not kiss them like that. Brett is so obsessed with playing to her audience that she forgets that some things are obviously inappropriate.

[@sputnikalgrim]

Make no mistake, it was a stupid move and what ever happens he deserves it. You gotta have boundaries no matter how excited you might be. There’s no excuse

[@ZeroDarknezz]

Don't talk about a culture you don't understand

[@salmagtz7110]

@ZeroDarknezz Sorry but In which countries is it okay to kiss someone without their consent?

[@sputnikalgrim]

@@ZeroDarknezz is there a culture where kissing someone without there consent is ok? Your comment says more about you than it does about me…😬

[@mischavanasperen3063]

@@ZeroDarknezz You should not talk at all, then. Ever.

[@adambalogh7239]

First we all know how sanguine all Latin people are especially Spaniards if it would be okay in any culture, it would be Spain, secondly who the fuck cares, its an euphoric non inhibited moment, how can you make such a big dealout of this. The only way I can understand this is that he indeed is a corrupt person so they took the chance to weaponize this chaos against him. Otherwise no goodhearted humanbeing would make such a big deal out of this.

[@Blackeymkwiipro]

First off you don't need to have immediate trauma or distress in order for a sexual assault case to be valid. Also, I'm just gonna debunk the "it's a European thing" claim. Yes, it is considered normal to kiss from man to man, woman to woman, or man to woman, but that only pertains to kissing on the CHEEK, as Brett stated in the comment she posted at 13:20. As an Albanian myself that is something we also do in our culture, but it is considered rude and excessive to kiss someone from lip to lip, especially if it's non-consensual. I'm sure the Spanish can relate to this taboo as well.

[@TheNinjapancake14]

Yes, on the cheek is normal. Not on the lips. This wasn’t the famous kiss at the end of World War II. If my boss kissed me in front of my colleagues in a frenzy of joy, I would still be very uncomfortable

[@chondrabeckett7950]

Brett I agree with a lot of what you say but I think you’re off here. I work with and for women who have experienced sexual trauma. The big thing we tell people is we don’t compare stories. If someone was raped, or shown things they didn’t want shown to them or if someone was kissed without there consent that’s sexual trauma. Saying it’s an insult to other people who have been sexually assaulted is telling victims who that has happened to that their story doesn’t matter because it’s not as bad and that’s no true. Every story matters and we don’t compare because hurt is hurt. I have many participants who have left the program I run that joke about what happened to them or laugh because they don’t know how to cope. They don’t know how to react so they try to laugh it off to dull the embarrassment or pain it may have caused them. Was she violently assaulted no but it was still an unwanted kiss on the mouth. I don’t care if it’s what people do in Spain it’s inappropriate and if someone Spanish or not went to kiss me on the mouth without my permission to “celebrate” they’re are going to hit. Give a high five, a hug but you don’t kiss people who don’t want to be kissed by you. And before people come for me, I’m a conservative with conservative Christian values. No I’m not a liberal who cry’s over spilled milk. This soccer player has every right to be upset and ask for consequences for that coach.

[@Camronrichard1]

Bruh w celebration does not call for that, a forehead kiss might be appropriate but you never have the right to kiss your player on the lips unwarranted like that

[@nylamaere2876]

There is a lot more behind the story than just the kiss. If just this had happened and the past year hadn’t I don’t think it would have blown up like it did. This is a the nail in the coffin versus just a one time event.

[@crashbandicoot3412]

Irene Montero, Minister of Equality of Spain is making bucks out of this.

[@derek.....]

He was over enthusiastic and very inappropriate!

[@5uper5kill3rz]

@BonnieDoon84no way he’d kiss a bloke on the lips, that’s what it comes down to, he’s not grabbing Diego Costa or someone and giving them a smooch

[@messicomps344]

​@BonnieDoon84cheek kisses are what is cultural. People don't do lips

[@autisticDementia]

Sad to see what the world has gone too this controversy is RIDICULOUS, it’s downplaying actual sexual assault

[@sidrahidrees1537]

Absolutely agree to disagree her on this! Even if that incident happened in the heat of the moment, that clearly didn't give him any right to give her a non-censual kiss/peck. At the end of the day, regardless of being driven by any kind of emotion or not in a sane state of mind, as a full fledge grown up you'll always be held accountable for your actions. The fact that he took a moment like this infront of a packed stadium and on a freaking live tv explains why Luis couldn't do anything about it except only laughing it off like nothing happened although she felt incredibly uncomfy which she def must've felt behind the scene. If I were in her shoes, I would've felt incredibly disgusted too. The only solution that I would suggest is to atleast suspend him for a definite time period. If he had the guts to do that on live tv, he should also have the guts to face the repercussions like the big man he claims to be he is.

[@skskkskskssksksksk]

Idk Brett if someone kissed my lips without my consent I would be in jail

[@Person-sj6te]

weather or not you clasify it as sa it is inappropriate workplace behavier. Imagine you reach 4 million subscribers and your boss kisses you. See how weird it is.

[@PolitikPolitik-fh2qc]

Our culture just looking at a women is SA and that achievement is no where on the level of world cup. So many false equilivencies.

[@saulgoodman2018]

Kissing on the lips is a widely accepted custom in Spain.

[@philipp3001]

They refuse to play and we refuse to watch. Let them go broke.

[@meleebrawler6462]

The last thing that we need in 2023 is a return of the #MeToo movement.

[@noahackerman7792]

By these standards, I've been sexually assaulted my whole life.

[@jacknelson927]

Same here she was laughing afterwards aboit it then all a sudden wasn’t to ruin the man’s life now

[@marywoolley-nb7ct]

What a shame the English team didn’t win - it would have been a brisk handshake and a “well done ladies” 😅

[@brandong42091]

Good on him for not resigning

[@vinniebudny]

That's why the furthest I go to compliment any female co-workers or stranger is a hand shake or even a hand wave. A Guy can get his life easily destroyed these days