Celestion G12T-75 vs Vintage 30 shootout - 2024 edition.

[@ZillaCabs]

Which speaker did you think was speaker A or B? ANSWER IN: 5 4 3 2 1 . . . . . . . . . 'A' is the T75 and 'B' is the V30 Were you right? Let us know below!

[@wally-001]

There's no way B was the V30. I know both speakers very well, and B was most definitely the G12T75

[@83draconian]

​@@wally-001I agree

[@markusaurelius777]

Yup, I was right lol

[@rkrasinski]

Super combination. I never understood the hate for the 75.

[@ZillaCabs]

I like the mix too. The T75 can have a bit of a poke to it but I think it can be useful in the right place for sure. Thanks for watching.

[@brozio77]

old school metal sound with g12t-75 is near perfection, never liked the v30.

[@SplitRensonator]

Together they sound so amazingly metal. I have a mini-rectifier that I have hooked to them in parallel and it just grinds and chugs like something from the netherworld. Slap a tube screamer in front and you need nothing else. The G12t gives the recto more high end than the V30 can deliver, which balances the sound out quite nicely.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

I'd usually just drop in to leave a mean comment about T75s but... I'm kinda coming around on the T75s lately. Great to see Zilla Cabs back on youtube

[@ZillaCabs]

Thanks mate, there's definitely some movement to the T75... I don't think it's ever going to be an absolute favourite, I just feel it deserves a slightly better rep than being called useless haha. We should colaborate on something.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

@@ZillaCabs Oh yes! Anytime

[@philippgrunert8776]

I personally love how the 75 projects and records

[@ZillaCabs]

Good to have someone else on team T75 ;) it's getting a bit more recognition these days.

[@lovecraftmusic8717]

I was listening through my mobile with headphones without watching; I liked A because it was clearer so I thought it was the v30 (which I hate). Glad it was the t75 instead.

[@SplitRensonator]

I have a 2X12 cab that has both of these speakers in it. Together, they sound AMAZING.

[@ZillaCabs]

I think they are a cool mix too. Thanks for watching.

[@stanesposito2664]

I'm amazed by the clean sounds. Never cared for V30s for gain. I used to have a Marshall 4x12 and used the stock 75s with a 50 watt Jubilee for medium gain and replaced the other two stock speakers with two EVM12Ls with my 67 Bassman for clean to slight gain. Too bad I didn't try the 75s with the Bassman. Now I prefer the higher power G12H with my Dr Z Route 66. I use an Avatar 1x12 and it sounds great. All pedals for gain. Nice vid!

[@Eliminator-rl9sn]

There is no better or worse, there are differences. These speakers sound even extremely different if sitting in an open back or closed cabinet. The cabinet size matters too. Also, the material of the cab makes a huge difference. Finally the amp is a factor too. This is my personal experience having tested a wide variety of Celestion speakers with various cans and amps.

[@19goodman90]

Can you compaire the 75 and the blue alnico?

[@jublaim]

I've come to rethink about the T-75. Remember I did a comparison including a late '80s and a late '90s and much preferred the '90s. How does the T-75 sound vs Neo Creamback?

[@ZillaCabs]

I generally lean towards the older ones but I guess it depends how good the condition of the older one is... I actually don;t have a problem with the T75 straight out of the box but it deepnds on your tastes, for heavier styles sometimes the gain shows up a lot of fizz, so it just depends what you are doing and your tastes really.... like most speakers I guess. Thanks for watching... we've got a video on the T75 coming out a week on Sunday I think.

[@jakenielsen88]

I have this combo in my Bogner 4x12. Amazing combo, it’s a killer cab!

[@williamcharnley5558]

I’m so confused. I used to have a 4x12 with g12t-75s and it didn’t have that aggressive buzz at all, it had a really clean bite, I loved it. Bit worried I can’t recreate it because all the demos I can find online are really buzzy and I’m just going “eh? Am I misremembering?”

[@45thundertrain]

I feel like those speakers sound different in person

[@mchammer5442]

I've got this exact speaker combination in my 1936 cab. Sounds very nice although I think the V30 seems noticeably louder so dominates the sound.

[@ZillaCabs]

It is louder but I think most people generally don't notice that, especially when playing in a band situation, you must have good ears. Thanks for watching.

[@voa.aquino]

​@@ZillaCabs I think the perception of 'louder' is because the V30 has a slight peak in the mid frequencies, and our ears are very sensitive to these frequencies. The T75 is more 'scooped'; it seems less aggressive in the mids but has a slight peak in the mid-highs (which I love, but people hate and call it 'sizzle').

[@alrecks619]

Always the solid combination for people who want classic Thrash & Death Metal kind of sound.

[@Archartugan]

I would love to see T-75 comparison with creamback G12H-75, and how they mix.

[@ZillaCabs]

I'll look in to doing that.

[@19goodman90]

And with the blue alnico 😊

[@Ufozoo1]

I recently blew V30 in my Hot rod deluxe. I have a couple of T 75s in a cabinet that I bought in 2000. I was thinking of putting one of those in and then adding maybe a ruby to the other cabinet . I guess I’m curious as to what the T75 will sound like I a fender .I just hate pulling the chassis out of the hot rod deluxe in and out just to change speakers. But I guess I’m going to have to.

[@SpongeBoss]

My Fullstack has 4 of both in an X-Pattern and I couldn´t be happier. They fill the holes each have with the others. And cleansounds are unneccesary in productdemos because they just dont really help with identifying the differences. They are much more pronounced and a more useful buyers guide with a gainy sound.

[@NINEWALKING]

Listened on my setup and my G12T75 in my Marshal 4x12 1960B do not sound that raspy. Sure I have no clue what was the gain setup but with my stuff I do not have that much raspiness if you get what I mean. But like I have said mine are really really old and in really old 4x12.

[@valendis]

In all the samples I preferred the T75, I discovered my love for the T75 when I first tried a Marshall 4x12, I expected the 4x12 to be so much darker, thanks to the T75 it was not!

[@ZillaCabs]

I think the T75 recorded well here, I like the T75 for a lot of stuff but I can see why some people aren't so keen on it. Good to have you on team T75 ;)

[@MATTE.U.K]

T-75 With no doubt i was going to replace my T-75s in my Marshall 1960 but i found the T-75s to be very close to the UK make greenbacks just with a more modern voicing

[@ZillaCabs]

I think we've got that video coming up soon. The greenback definitely has a sizzle to it.

[@NINEWALKING]

Still on vacation. But never the less I can recognize both of them always. I still have 1960B with very old G12T75. It is not harsh at all. It actually sounds sort of like bit less compressed less speaker breakup brother of the original Greenback. Or maybe slightly handicapped cousin of the pre Rola Greenbacks 😂 Clean it it wonderful. Dirty it loses some top end but gets those Marshall with Celestion middle range. Real rock speaker. Though cabinet is from 1971 and that helps as well. Basically G12T75 can behave as some Alnico speakers. Chimey on clean and midd focused on dirt. It works surprisingly good with really good amplifiers. Though it requires not cue amplifier to sound good as well. With some amplifiers it can sound bit dull. I have to admit I wanted to change them in my 4x12 in the beginning but luckily I have tried it with another amplifier and I have let them be. Nowadays Celestion has even better and more balanced ceramic magnet speakers and I like more Creamback H and Hempback than G12T75. New and not broken in G12T75 can be really harsh. Especially with some amplifiers. I am out of love for V30, sorry. Sure it might be good for some amplifiers and some genres of music (mainly high gain stuff) but its projection and top end is irritating me. I still do not understand how Badcat was using them in some of their combos while making real hardwired work of art amplifiers. Friend was changing tubes and stuff in his Badcat looking of better sound. After he got the Hempback he couldn’t believe the difference. He plays Strat and clean and edge of the breakup. All he didn’t like was gone. I have to admit I have told him to take the Hempback. His V30 collects dust now. He wanted to gift it to me but two V30’s that I already own is one to many 😂 OK OK V30 can really improve some amplifiers that miss the top end. Also at high power they can really cut true the mix. But they are hard on boutique amplifiers. Tone end gets too much and distorted. Middle gets some unneeded honk. Simply it is not ideal combination.

[@PlatinumBlack90038]

Yes, the Celestion G12T-75 is wonderful for clean sounds - but, that is all it is good for in my opinion.

[@NINEWALKING]

@PlatinumBlack90038 it all about what is good to each of us. Some people do not like it clean either, and I get it. Luckily, Celestion has tons of models, plus the bother brands are also there. There are plenty of choices that can satisfy each of us. Mine are really old 1995 or might even be 1985. I do not recall. The first owner played a lot. Cabinet is Marshall 1960B from 1970. Cabinet looks like it was owned by some rock star. I have never heard another set of G12T75's that are as smooth as my set. Though my JTM45 is connected to it, and it is clean or edge if the breakup setup. Though I almost never play either of it. It serves as a test speaker for my amplifiers. I have like 3x 2x12, 3x 1x12, 1x15, 4x12 and 6 combos as test setup. In almost all cabinets, I have different speakers. So when I am fine-tuning a new prototype, at one moment, I try it on many different speakers to confirm that it is not sounding bad on some speakers and find put what is a best speaker and cabinet for it.

[@aquilarossa5191]

I have a late 80s Marshall 1960A cab with T75s. It sounds great for riffing certain styles. Can be a bit harsh when playing lead though. It's not a bad all rounder. I just bought an old Marshall Mode Four straight cab for fairly cheap and free shipping. I figure I can rework it to look like an oversize Greenback cab or whatever, as it needs the grill cloth replaced. But then I read about the MF30 Vintage speakers in it. They are a variant of V30 like the Marshall Vintage, or Mesa etc. Some folks seem to like them. I will not get my hopes up, but I may have just got four good sounding V30s for naff all. I am thinking the harsher sounding speakers should go in the bottom cab and warmer ones in the top cab, so the latter is not impaling the ear drums. P.S. I was a lad during the 1980s. Milton Keynes, UK, but NZ these days. I wanted a full stack for decades, but somehow only ever had a half stack. Now I have one. I no longer jam, but one reason for putting one together is for the nephew to experience the thump and roar etc. In some ways he's overtaking me at guitar (he can do all that tricky nu-metal riffing). I also just finally got around to getting an Explorer. I have to start building my horde to take to guitar Valhalla :P

[@csmith29581]

Will there every be Jensen speakers featured in your videos?

[@ZillaCabs]

You mean on the channel? We have three Jensens here, two 10 and a 12 which they kindly sent out. The trouble is we will have to make a stand alone video for them as the 12 is quite a specific sound so can't really be used in a video like this unless we are focussing on vintage sounds. The other thing is we spend quite a lot of time and money on these videos and they largely just promote the speakers rather than what we do, so on top of the time and expense we generally aren't to keen on having to buy a load of speakers at full price, you know what I mean. We've got stuff from other brands coming up too though.

[@xsonicassassinx]

Woof. Neither of them shined here. Were they 16ohm speakers?

[@brozio77]

for my tastes even if t75 is a little harsh on very top end i perfer it over v30.

[@ruffryder13]

I think marshall makes a mistake using that speaker in its marshall cabs. The resulting marshall cab plus head is often way too fizzy for what I think is the classic marshall sound. I've pulled my 75s out and replaced them with greenbacks. Of course the downside is that I now have to play through a full stack instead of a half stack to get the power rating I want. :)

[@jamescassidy4045]

Ive always liked these 2 speakers, but it's funny, because out of almost all the speakers I've ever blended, I always felt like these two sound a bit weird together. Anyone else know what I mean? Like obviously they work, but I've even tried with multiple different V30's/T-75's, in a 2x12, and a 4x12, and I never like it. I cant really explain exactly what, or why, but it just always sounds weird to me, almost like I feel like I'm having phase issues or something hah. I've never mentioned it to anyone before, but always wondered if it was just me hah. So I'm curious to hear if anyone else feels this way, or what others think about this blend. Obviously different speakers even of the same model can sound quite different, so you never know, but Ive tried four different 75's(two older white labels non vented, and two newer white/black labels), and I have six V30's all made in UK, an no matter what combination I use, they always sound weird to me hah.

[@ZillaCabs]

It funny that as generally I think they are thought of as mixing quite well together, but that's what is good about speakers, there's something for everyone, there's no rights or wrongs.

[@jamescassidy4045]

@@ZillaCabs Oh okay, interesting. Good to know. Yeah 100% agree, and I often find something I like about most blends I do, but for some reason with the 75’s and V30’s I have, I just could never get on well with this blend, and I even rotated through all the ones I have, and tried different combinations, but I always think it sounds weird lol. I definitely agree though, I’m not saying it’s a bad blend per say, and there’s def no right or wrong for the most part. It could totally be partly just the cabs I’m using, and the way my particular 75’s, and V30’s sound too. I’ve only tried it in my two Mesa Cabs, so maybe I’ll revisit it in my 800 Cab, or my Framus.

[@dominikpohli2381]

this to speakers are the oposite the v30 the most mid push the t 75 the most mid scoop

[@stanislavmigra]

I like them mixed in cab. Stand alone, V30 is too much midrange for me, where T75s can be too scooped at times. Together? Awesome. I was laughed at hard, when I mention this combination in several online forums. For like "why to use shitty speaker as T75 at all" ... This video shows perfectly why.

[@ZillaCabs]

Yeah I have experienced that too. In blind tests the T75 performs really well, especially for cleaner and lower gain styles. I think generally there is nearly always a speaker that will do a particular job better than the T75 but for me for a lot of styles it sits really high up for a lot of different styles if that makes sense. It's nice to hear people giving a bit more love for the T75

[@IgnisIban]

Veeeey easy, V30 is impossible to not get spotted, no deep bass and upper treble and the strongest fundamental midrange you can ever imagine on your wet lead guitar dreams, Vintage 30 didn’t born to be alone and less in an open cab, can be the best companion for your favorite single speaker specially live imho, T75 best single, V30 great combo with T75, great demo as always the best speakers comparison and shootouts!

[@iwiggs6870]

Sounded pretty great clean, but generally the issue with T75s is that "rattle" will ALWAYS be present in the mix. Plus, the midrange isn't terribly authorative and can easily be absorbed by any other instrument getting near the mix. Which means...sometimes the only thing that you hear in a mix when using a T75 is that bright, fizzy rattle.

[@MATTE.U.K]

I swear the T-75 fizz goes away after a while, mine doesn't fizz i think because they are old

[@cornfilledscreamer614]

Just never could get along with the T75's. Dull but ice-picky at the same time. I did mix them with two V30's, but you could barely even hear the T75's (100dB's for the V30's vs. 97's for the T75's.) THEN I got a couple of H75 Creambacks, and the world suddenly became a much better place to live in. All 4 are bright speakers, but you simply turn your treble down. After you do that? Perfection. They're 100dB's like the V30's, so you can HEAR them. They balance out perfectly, and the mids between the two of them are just fantastic...

[@ZillaCabs]

The V30/H creamback mix is probably the most popular mix we do, they sit really well together for sure. Thanks for watching.

[@PhuketMyMac]

The best is when you can blend them into a 4x12 cab!

[@ZillaCabs]

Yeah that is nice for sure. Thanks for watching.

[@stephenatgraceland]

When combining a V30 412 with a T75 412, the V30s dominate. (Sensitivity is a factor.). I think my T75 just “sounds like a Marshall.” (woody thump and all)

[@ZillaCabs]

It does a little but if you put them in an X pattern it can still work well. Thanks for watching.

[@chriscarey1774]

A - vintage 30, b - g12t75

[@ricardoa2894]

Huge difference, very big

[@jenkinses8121]

Prefer the V Type to the Vintage 30, prefer the Classic Lead 80 to the T75

[@AdamDallas]

G12-T75 is THE Meshuggah sound in my opinion.

[@ZillaCabs]

I always assumed they used V30s... was it T75s?

[@AdamDallas]

Maybe you’re right… I thought I remembered reading this, but now I can’t find any evidence! Either way, let me correct it to say I personally feel I get the closest sounding Meshuggah tones using a G12-T75! Definitely for their earlier, more harsh tones anyways. I know for a fact that Yngwie Malmsteen is solely a G12-T75 user though.

[@ZillaCabs]

@@AdamDallas no mine was just as guess/assumption. It's always good to chat with a fellow supporter of the T75... I think we have a video on it coming out this weekend.

[@Bobby_Digital37]

B is the v30???

[@markusaurelius777]

Yeppers

[@RobbieF]

I will guess B is the V30.

[@ZillaCabs]

nice one... actually I think that first sample is one of the hardest ones to do.

[@RobbieF]

@@ZillaCabs Based upon the V30 / Neo-Creamback cab you built for me, I assumed the V30 would be the one with more bass 🙂

[@xparanoid]

A 75 - B 30

[@hks956]

The bigger the cab the better v30s are. Take for example an Orange ppc112. IMO it sounds like crap compared to the same speaker in the 212.

[@ZillaCabs]

To be fair the PPC112 is a really low budget cab, the PPC212 closed back is a very different cab, different woods and much better construction, in that case its probably the cab you're not into rather than the V30 not being able to cope with the situation...... but bigger cabs do generally sound better for the kind of styles a lot of us use the V30 for. Thanks for watching.

[@RobbieF]

Got it right … for once :-)

[@ZillaCabs]

Good shout!

[@marievolkova3708]

b is t 75

[@Starch1b2c3d4a]

A sounded better to me.

[@ulfdanielsen6009]

The efficiency of the T75 is around 83db, the V30 around 98db so the V30 is massively louder. Though sonically complementary they will never be a balanced combination in a cab,- the V30 will always overpower the T75. Personally I liked the T75 since it´s heyday in the 80s´ 1960 Marshall cabs,- more top and bottom end than the V30. The V30 has a distinct upper midrange lift ala the Greenback,- only shifted downwards in frequency too achieve the same character a treblebooster going into a preamp of an amp would have but across a lower frequency spectrum. This is why they work so well for downtuned extended range guitar sounds in 4x12 cabs for metal,- NOT because they have more bottom end than the T75,- they don´t! Learn how to read charts, don´t go by anecdotal evidence and bro science,- it´s the hallmarks of a delusional dilletant amateur. Forget what speakers are called,- when combining speakers go for complementary eq-characteristics, fairly equal power ratings and fairly equal efficiency ratings,- then you have a fair chance of setting up a well functioning sonically pleasing even volume giving combination.

[@Gearslayer92]

Actually the G12T75 has the same db as a Celestion Greenback which is 97db.