How 60 Random Cards Almost Won Worlds

[@CeliosNetwork]

How many times did I say "Damage"?

[@anthonybarragan7770]

A lot 🤣

[@kadendapenguin5281]

I counted 35 (including words like "damaged")

[@Trillyana]

THAT'S A LOTTA DAMAGE

[@raze_]

Someone needs to make a developers reremix but with saying damage.

[@gamermasta525]

Can you please help me out figure out how to play pokemon online for free? Is there something like yugioh dueling network where you get all the cards and can make any deck you want from the getgo?

[@awqweird]

Finals at a world championship being timed is mind blowing to me

[@jeffreywriddlejr]

Same with Nationals. I remember when Whales first came out and made finals of US Nationals in Standard. It lost because of sudden death and the fact it didn't attack. I just don't get why Top-8 is timed period. If the tournament is so big that you're going to cut to Top-8, let the games run to their natural conclusion.

[@ComDenox]

It makes sense to me, what it doesn't make sense is the way sudden death works. It obviously helps certain kind of decks and awards highrolls more. Something like "perform x turns, then who has the most prize cards wins, if still even the first to take one prize win" might have been more fair. I believe Yugioh works something like that.

[@nathanwilkins6107]

I play magic and rounds are timed. If you go to time you have five turns (total between you and your opponent) and then if no one has won, the game is a draw.

[@jeffreywriddlejr]

@@nathanwilkins6107 the difference is the finals of magic tournaments aren't timed, especially big ones, and that's what happened with Whales back in the day. It should have won, but for some reason the TOs kept the clock in Top-8 of US Nationals

[@gabrielcastillo9745]

I used to be against this myself, but there has to be a timer, at least a turn timer to prevent players from taking forever thinking a single play in their turns.

[@депресијагејмер]

It would be interesting to release a video about the mega-audino deck that won in 2016. Nobody was really expecting it and it ended up being a cool deck

[@Josh-wb7zh]

Older formats were meant for the better players. New formats are just soooo easy to predict meta decks. I miss the old days

[@thegreatfirebolt1815]

Yea I own that deck, it’s super cool

[@abrilbakenera2532]

ptcgo radio made one I think

[@flambo6554]

@@Josh-wb7zhbro has NOT seen klawf terapagos, you are a liar if you telling me anyone expected that pile to get placements

[@AtlasRega]

@@flambo6554to be fair adding archetypes on top of terapagos + area zero underdepths is not novel or rocket science. Palkia and charizard being two notable ones.

[@ClampEEGEE]

Not gonna lie, the finale of worlds coming down to time with a Sudden Death match is kind of uncool. Feels like that shouldn't be possible, since it's the final match of the entire championship.

[@jaredbowers9503]

Yeah like is the event center booked for yoga class or sumn after?? I don’t get it lol

[@backpackerraden6268]

IMO I don't see why the finals should be treated any differently than the other matches in top cut. By taking away a time limit from a finals match that would make it just drag on longer, especially nowadays where the Masters TCG is the third program streamed on championship Sunday and then it's all the VGC matches.

[@Starkipraggy]

Don't be fooled, the match was decided by the coin flip for game 3, if ross had gone first he had the T2 donphan to grab the first KO.

[@SurfTheSkyline]

Man sudden death just so happening to hard counter the strategy is so tragic. Still some really next level deck building going on under such unique circumstances. To my mind it feels akin to some of the more demented MTG stuff that has happened at times with seemingly nonsensical cards all crafting a beautifully synergistic situational concept.

[@Josh-bw4qi]

I don't understand why they don't just play out a third game in full? Seems so strange to do this sudden death thing that can very heavily favour one type of deck, and is so different to a traditional match, to decide a world championship?

[@3kojimbles895]

oops all spells but pokemon

[@ILiekFishes]

@@Josh-bw4qi time

[@Josh-bw4qi]

@@ILiekFishes in the final of a world championship? No shot.

[@Starkipraggy]

Ross would have won if he had gone first actually. He had the T2 Donphan to KO magnemite.

[@zarcothecheese]

Worth noting how the deck also ran the promo card for worlds, Tropical Beach. It was a new card that had only come out as a promo, and as such had not been tested or considered much. I remember the vibe being that it didn't seem very good to many players, but Ross Cawthon saw how powerful it was in slow decks and ran a copy. Shows how he was able to put together and refine this list very much at the last minute.

[@Starkipraggy]

the legend is that ross got his worlds swag, took one look at the promo and went "I'm playing vileplume/reuniclus", immediately dropping his planned deck choice.

[@thanasos3011]

It's very interesting seeing base-fossil or base-rocket strategies in 2011! Damage swap is Alakazam's ability, Zekrom with rage is Dodrio and and Blissy is the Pokemon Center trainer card. I love it!

[@saver_spenta_mainyu]

This was the same exact thought that I had. When he was talking about how players would be confused about such an unorthodox strategy, all I could think about was that this was basically Damage Swap Alakazam Pokemon Center deck. My friend wiped my floor several times with that deck, so there's no forgetting it for me.

[@sdrawkcab190]

The biggest thing you missed about the deck was the one of copy of Tropical Beach, which players only received a copy of and saw for the first time THE NIGHT BEFORE WORLDS. Ross got the promo, thought "hey this would help set up" and asked a judge if it was legal for play that weekend. This was a catalyst for Tropical Beach being a main stay in decks for years to come and frustratingly hard for players to get a hold of because of it's exclusivity.

[@OmniPoke]

Enjoying these a lot, surprised no mention of reshiphlosion and also plume was setup in most matchups not just Vs zone because of plus power junk arm etc etc

[@CeliosNetwork]

Yeah absolutely plume was also for plus power and reversal, I mentioned the poke comm, rare candy, and junk arm though.

[@iluvnugget345]

This was also the first time Tropical Beach was given as a Worlds promo and Ross managed to fit it into his insane deck

[@Starkipraggy]

He played the deck BECAUSE of tropical beach, of course it's in!

[@Kalazt]

I would go as far as saying that it was the only interesting deck from the 2011 worlds. The meta, as it was made up by only so few sets, was thought to be figured out. Every attacker and every setup pokemon was well discussed. And even if there was only one big tournament before the worlds, the community was somewhat unified in the meta being stale. In hindsight, the truth was such a big thing to happen because it wasn't thought as viable. I remember having discussions about Reuniclus and Blissey but in no right mind I had the idea it could work. Even adding Vileplume with it sounds crazy. Thank you for making this video and bringing the story of the truth for more public!

[@vifava0150]

I decided to build this deck after I saw the list Ross used at World's. The deck was really good to play with and was surprisingly consistent with the 2nd stage evolutions. People hated playing against it at the place I used to go (I mean, I can see how damage swapping with item lock was pretty annoying tbh 😅)

[@shinygiveaways1920]

i would love to play 2011 on line against players

[@piens51]

@@shinygiveaways1920 Duno if they have coded it in yet (as its fan made and supported site) but TCGone is prety rad place to play automated older pokemon TCG formats online. Like its the place where you can play gen 3, 2 and 1 formats and last time I was there gen 4 had some but not all coded in but it was a while ago.

[@stupidusernamestaken]

This was my only time going to worlds and spectating the event so it makes it all the more special watching a crazy rogue deck make it that far. I was so disappointed Ross didn't win but it was still an incredible deck to pilot to a 2nd place finish at the most prestigious pokemon event of the year!

[@JO-iv7tl]

I was playing sceptile and dragons(zekrom/reshiram) back then. The truth is an iteration above another similar archetype Donphan and dragons. Adding in vileplume and reuniclus. Within that meta many players were getting closer and closer to what Ross put together.

[@DERADI30]

I don't know the rules for tournaments (or all to much about the pccg in general), but one thing made me perk up: you said they played sudden death because "time in the round had concluded". If that means what it sounds like that's an absolutely terrible rule. If one deck has a clear advantage in sudden death he could just wait out the timer to essentially force the tiebreaker to be a completely different game. I'm not accusing anyone here, but "We don't have time to play the tiebreaker of the world championship finale, just play the silly sudden death gimmick mode" still sounds like the worst reason to lose a champion title.

[@CeliosNetwork]

When time in the round concludes, if only 1 game has finished, the player who won game 1 wins the match. If time concludes when each player is at 1 game a piece and they haven't set up for game 3 yet, the sudden death rule kicks in. Sudden death is very rarely seen - especially now a days with extended time for top cut matches!

[@hikershay11395]

would love to see our current meta develop into one staging combinations of strong stage 2 like what we see here

[@JJSSBU]

Well, maybe ex Pokémon can do that in the SV sets

[@homerc9101]

I just want V to go, im tired of the modern meta.

[@Zretgul_timerunner]

@@homerc9101 some removal of powercreep whould be appreciated

[@Vitor_Zago]

This format about old metas is great!! Enjoying pretty much the content

[@SpectreXS]

Banger Video! 🔥These pre-EX era decks always look like fun toolboxes.

[@matt91_]

Damn, this video brought me memories I didn't even know I had. 2010-2011 was the period where I started getting curious about the TCG, so I started reading a lot of content, namely on SixPrizes. I wasn't playing at the time, but I instantly recognized most of the cards and player names you mentioned from the articles and posts from the time. What a throwback, great video.

[@inazumatan7050]

Time rules for the FINALS of a WORLD tournament is criminal.

[@RayleReaper]

100% agree. Honestly I tend to hate time rules in general as long as a deck isn't designed to take eternity and the players aren't slow playing.

[@shinygiveaways1920]

@@RayleReaper Time should be so far off that it would only ever effet players when shenanigans occur.

[@ageguyera]

Great video! As someone that was SUPER into the competitive TCG in this era, I can verify all this. I loved my Donphan and Dragons deck! One thing I’ll say though (as someone who lost a game this way) is that Seeker doesn’t “allow” you to pick up a Pokémon from your bench. It FORCES you to. So if your opponent only has one benched poke before you k.o. The active…. You’re in business!

[@sabbagecavage5690]

I used to think that expanded only going back to black and white was fine, because all the best cards came out after that anyways, but after seeing how good many of these setup/utility cards are (complete trainerlock and the baby pokemon letting you search out cards for no energy while being invincible?) honestly insane

[@ChaoticMeatballTV]

I love history videos like this, reminds me of MegaCapitalG over in the Yugioh community and should be taken as high praise. Keep it up bud.

[@Nintendan95]

I remember just how weird and crazy this was when it happened. Was really funny as that right at the start of the format, I wanted to build something with Serperior and ended up trying to build a Serperior/Reuniclus/Vileplume list... which was incredibly clunky because I couldn't (and still can't) deck build for my life. But it was really cool to someone make that idea work, I thought it wasn't possible and ended up rolling with Donphan for that format. One lil thing I sorta noticed with some of these decks is how cool these pairings were. Yanmega and Zone imo weren't designed to be paired but their synergy was great. Same for Emboar and Zone and of course all the stuff in The Truth. Deck building back then really felt like real unique combos with cards rather than just today that's obviously meant to be played together, Mew and Genesect, Lugia and Archeops. I dunno, maybe its just me being a lil nostalgic, but stuff in this format (and for sure the old ex formats I didn't play in) seem like genuinely creative combos. Arceus is kinda cool and Mirage Gate is also quite creative but outside of that stuff feels like it's printed with clear combos and that. I know it doesn't really affect the actual game but it's so fun seeing how "toolbox-y" the format felt (to me at least) back then.

[@IlCovoDiWeavile]

I remember playing The Truth in 2011 when I was still a kid, and I fell in love with the deck. Thanks for the amazing content Luke!

[@IronNinja42]

So nostalgic. I remember being in middle school when this happened, that following cities season was so much fun and so competitive

[@SwashbuckleGames]

I remember this, guy is a legend. I played reshiphlosion at US nationals and got 4th in juniors. Ross was a sick player to a study

[@bootortle]

I remember trying to use that Reuniclus with the Serperior that could heal your whole team each turn It didn't work out great, but it was a fun gimmick

[@ganchyy]

lol i remember going through this list when i was little and just going "woaah, how is this even remotely competitive" just off the pokemon alone

[@SireBab]

Me who hasnt collected pokemon in 25 years: "Hmm yes i follow this meta, fascinating video youtube algorithm." I guess its because i play mtg, and both used to be wotc products/are both popular tcgs.

[@bruhmphrey]

I got the world's promo deck of The Truth. Sparked my interest in playing the TCG all those years back. Extremely fun deck to play.

[@vegas_party_animal7737]

Sudden death has been terrible in this game for ages based on the number of cards that are specifically designed to be played when behind on prizes 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@altituderaven3889]

I have that reuniclus card and I paired it with a meganium card that removes 1 damage counter from each member at end of every turn (yours and your opponents) seeing a similar idea used makes me feel smart

[@Cheeky_Chelsea]

Good to hear Pooka's voice again ☺️

[@josem7927]

This period of the card game was what got me into playing it

[@BDAShadow1]

Primes are by far my favourite thing in PTCG. To the point where I couldn’t pick a favourite, or even a top 3, or probably even a top 5.

[@literallygrass1328]

Bro is just yami yugi

[@RahulReddy]

Absolutely phenomenal video, loving these a lot Luke!

[@CeliosNetwork]

Thanks so much Rahul

[@pokepop4163]

A customer that bought this Worlds Deck angrily complained to Pokemon that there was no way this was a real deck that had done well at Worlds and demanded his money back.

[@dabbingpengun1758]

This reminds me of the time in Yugioh when Matteo Bertulezzi got 2nd place at YCS Utrecht February 2020 who was piloting a 60 card pile main decking hunter dragon.

[@Kuchito08]

I saw the list here and immediately thought of pile decks in general.

[@jacobcats_spl]

I’ve never taken a good look at the card game, as I’ve always been playing the video games, but this video honestly makes me very interested in the cards. Great video!

[@nicocchi]

So this dude made an entire deck with tech and it worked lmao that's amazing

[@papabroly8000]

I always love talking about this deck. It was the only WC deck I’ve ever bought and I was 11 when I got it. Still have all the cards (including that Tropical Beach👀) and I wish the game was in a state where I could pilot a similar build in standard right now. HGSS/BW standard is my all time favorite.

[@danielsmith5032]

Is this Ross from ptcgradio? Because I remember him almost winning something with Donphan

[@Nintendan95]

Different Ross but would've been super cool haha

[@djsuswbsb]

When you said Suicune/Entei had high hp with 160 makes me wish I coulda played years ago. Started in Sun & Moon for tcg and man 300hp stage 1 mons is kinda wack.

[@Jish4k]

Loving these vids on older cards/decks!

[@the_daemon_kraken]

Why does footage from 2011 look like it was recorded in 1975?!? Great vid though, I've heard of 'The Truth' but never really seen or heard of it explained in any great detail.

[@entertainmentinc9735]

Why is the World Championship Final a timed round?

[@matthewchin1443]

I remember that day that Ross would have won had he gone first in the third game. He had the donphan in his hand and the rainbow.

[@Kmn483]

I'm very surprised that tiebreaker games start with a single prize. That invalidates the drawback of every major strong card (ex, vmax, LV.X, mega, gx...) and rewards early aggressive decks.

[@andrewxu3602]

How well would this deck do against Durant Mill?

[@gamer3642]

Great videos keep it up I started playing competitively in heartgold era and was around there holon series so it’s great looking at this videos

[@krakrex780]

Another interesting part of the deck was the card given to participants of that year he threw in last minute

[@SoulSurvivor14]

Apparently I played Ross last year in Peoria. He was very studious and exact in his turns

[@jebacdisa6007]

great and informational video!

[@mike_oxhurt154]

Nostalgic format

[@eightcoins4401]

Vileplume ironically is remembered as good card in hindsight

[@joydivision1976]

You said Ross' deck needed to fall behind to utilize Twins, but Twins' text implies that you're in the lead (more prize cards left). I'm relatively new to Pokemon so maybe I understand you wrong!?

[@fma0420]

You win when you take your last prize card, so if you have more prize cards left than your opponent, you are behind.

[@musicskyg4653]

I didn’t even realize this video came out 1 hour ago it was made so well

[@TheWordOfBird]

Awesome video. I absolutely love this type of unique content. As someone who has played off and on since the Pokémon TCG was released, I really appreciate these dives into its history. Please keep it up.

[@kingsinge1324]

This deck alone got me into tcg

[@toxic_cowZ]

sudden death in the finals is crazy

[@maridiancrest243]

Why would finals be timed? It just rewards high risk One turn decks

[@bip_bip_lechuga]

Yeah the sudden death due to timeout in these finals matchups plagues both the tcg and the video game

[@marxistharpy]

Loved this video. This is one of the first decks I net-decked when I started playing competitively. Very nostalgic!

[@ashle9034]

Sudden death rules always sap the skill out of these kinds of games. It's just which ever deck gets luckier and setups up first wins.

[@bryansuminski7543]

Why are there time rules for the final match?

[@rjbourgeois5490]

HGSS had the most fun format. Also, the finals should have had a longer time limit. As weird as it sounds, it's to the advantage of the quick setup to slow play. As long as you win one of your matches, it makes it extremely difficult for a deck like the truth to get a setup for game 3. Especially if time was called before the start of the match. Honestly a world's finals championship shouldn't be timed at all but I can see the argument for it.

[@ssgohan296]

Reminds me of the deck "archetype" MtG X cards I own, where X is the colors of the deck. Like UBG(blue, black, and green) cards I own.

[@Brandywoo]

Man I enjoyed the old Pokémon days. I hope you cover the Luxchomp stuff

[@dominicjannazo7144]

I didn't know about the sudden death rules, that seems very punishing on slow decks, as those slow decks would be more likely to go to a time limit in the first place.

[@sayonse]

I need to see one of these about John Roberts winning Nationals with Klinklang

[@shazam3716]

Yea Klinklang with big basic + Kyogre EX tech for the double KO. I remember everyone saying Kyogre ex is weak. But this deck proved them all wrong.

[@TheEs150]

i remember this. the year i got back into the tcg. so epic

[@isaacunderhill9120]

Very nostalgic and great breakdown. Thanks & GOD bless you

[@starchar9378]

Forgot the part where he only ran this deck because of the Tropical Beach promo

[@sagacious03]

Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

[@TaintedNimbus]

Hearing how this desk lost was so sad.

[@sariddipat7018]

Could you cover Mega Audino EX next? Like I believe it was a relatively obscure deck until in won world.

[@tam-ka-blam9736]

Loving these videos about Pokemon tcg history!

[@Xhadp]

The same year where rayquaza and deoxys legend won! I think I heard lots of stories about that format, there was a couple with how US nationals translated over to Worlds I think. I remember vividly playing in that format where primes were actually something powerful to worry about before the inevitable mewtwo ex format completely destroyed the format. Grabbed the world championships decks from that era since they were so good at snapshotting the best decks there were.

[@Materialist39]

Great video! Very digestible and easy to follow for casual viewers like myself

[@minionpeter]

Wow it is so intresting looking at the prespektiv from other games, I was going crazsy that the top 8 in wolrds was timed

[@mujigant]

So they weren't random at all

[@DelGray]

Underrated comment

[@shyonae]

never been into the TCG but wow your videos are super entertaining

[@CeliosNetwork]

This comment made my day ✨✨ thank you and glad you enjoyed the video!!

[@shyonae]

@@CeliosNetwork when the content's good, it's good! have a nice day, can't wait to see more😤

[@oceanman6327]

Am I the only one who feels like a deck like this, with the way cards are designed these days, not possible?

[@austinswayne7709]

Great video dude!!

[@blackrosed8068]

If you ever played this deck, it's so gas to play.

[@marshtomp8]

This deck is about as diverse as an actual in game team.

[@jxkc-yt]

I don't follow the competitive pokemon tcg but this video was entertaining, do you plan on making more?

[@CeliosNetwork]

absolutely!

[@ramonatalizio7315]

This is when I re started playing and was just absolutely wowed! Great history Celio!

[@jeryjensen9892]

Love all Ross C decks as a fan of rogue he is a genius

[@emeraldgreenz]

Why did they sudden death the world finals 😢 Do that for literally any other match, but the finals should take as long as it needs imo

[@CoffinKidHxC]

I hate that the finals has a time limit at Worlds

[@NameAvailable]

Kind of sad to see how weak modern abilities and supporter/trainer cards are now compared to back then. It feels like a whole different game

[@tilldill763]

great video, love stuff like that

[@Starkipraggy]

Ross would have won if he had gone first, and there was actually a coin flip to decide who went first in game 3.

[@splash7440]

i bought these back in 2012!

[@Blake_Steen]

so awesome. great video

[@TheThirdGenQ]

What was the rule change?

[@CeliosNetwork]

Black and White made it so the player going first could use trainer cards on their first turn. More in-depth explanation here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXSwdWqFZ6h_gcU

[@ximbabwe0228]

The sudden death rule seems bizarre