Celtic Triple Deities, and more

[@Davlavi]

Nice talk on triple deity.

[@KrisHughes]

Thank you.

[@KrisHughes]

0:00 The number three 1:04 Triglav 3:44 Crom Cruach and Crom Dubh 4:50 Triple stone heads 6:35 Lugus 9:38 Brigid 13:42 Ériu, Banba and Fódhla, and the sons of Cermait 18:38 The sons of Dôn 19:37 Triads 23:00 Maiden, mother, crone? 26:16 Dôn, Llŷr, and Beli Mawr 28:28 Land, sea and sky

[@Dorje17]

Interesting,thanks!

[@hiddenhydewithinhim]

Very helpfull!

[@KrisHughes]

Good. Thanks!

[@ForestGreenChords]

Great video Kris! I'm wondering, how do you think these notions fit with the three headed depictions of the Gaulish antlered god (who is most likely Carnonos)?

[@KrisHughes]

I've not been aware of those.

[@ForestGreenChords]

@@KrisHughes Ceisiwr Serith talks about them on his video essay about Cernunnos!

[@KrisHughes]

@@ForestGreenChords I have watched that, but it's been a long time. Iconography really isn't my area of knowledge. I'm better with words.

[@ForestGreenChords]

@@KrisHughes that's ok! There's also a written version if you're interested, but what he concludes is that the three heads (or faces) are associated with liminality and bidirectionality.

[@KrisHughes]

@@ForestGreenChords Ah! I have heard people saying this, and now I know where they're getting it. I'm not disagreeing - just don't know. I don't have a close relationship with Cernunnos so I haven't given this a lot of thought.

[@helenhunter4540]

Maiden Mother and Crone was very helpful to me when I came to paganism. Because in patriarchy all of these are twisted out of their natural shapes, and women are hated/feared/despised equally by patriarchal people for our biological, cultural, spiritual selves, which of course includes self-hatred by women. I didn't experience it as being limited to my breeding period (excuse my unintended pun), but speaking of that, I found Paula W's Menstruation and Menopause (I can't remember her last name) very helpful in healing from wounds inflicted by US culture on those biological parts of my life. Also poetry by Judy Grahn (for instance, She Who). But I'm very interested to learn your experience of this, Kris, and of other women you've encountered who have had the same experience and feel the same way. Over the years I've become less doctrinaire about most things, including Maiden Mother Crone. It was helpful to me once. I don't need it any more and I'm sorry you and other women were never helped by it but felt diminished. We all have our different experiences and understandings. You have helped me understand much about pagan culture, learning, people, places that I understood less well before or knew nothing about. Thank you, bless you, and I'm here to keep learning! ❤

[@KrisHughes]

I certainly recognise that there are women who find MMC helpful and meaningful. For me, I never had a desire to breed, and essentially prefer to ignore my sex/gender for the most part. The planet is grossly overpopulated, so I don't feel that motherhood needs to be held up as the number one female ideal, and frankly, I find having a womb and breasts a massive inconvenience. So that's the personal side of it. I don't feel diminished by MMC, I just find it silly and annoying. What I hear from most women is, of course, less radical - and that's simply what I said in the video, that they don't wish to be classified according to biology or breeding status. And last time I was part of a major online discussion about this - that's what a lot of women were saying. That they don't consider biological changes to be rites of passage, because, ultimately it's saying that the most valuable thing a woman can do is be a mother ... and then a grandmother. I also find that this gets applied to deities, often with no regard to the cultural context to which they belong, in a very reductionist way. I hope that didn't come across as overly ranty. But you seemed to be asking.

[@helenhunter4540]

Actually, I meant I had been interested to hear during this video your point of view on this, I wasn't asking for more explanation. I am surprised to hear that you prefer to ignore your gender/sex most of the time. I respect your choices and my own. You've given me something to think about. Blessings.

[@Formicola]

​@@KrisHughes Ah, the preference to ignore one's gender and finding the possession of 'girly bits' mostly a massive inconvenience are both vastly familiar to me. I happen to have a couple of sproglets, whom I of course love (they arose because my parents freaked out years ago and shrieked manifold variations on the theme "you've been married for 12 years and we still have no grandchild: at least go off the pill before your ovaries shrivel up"). I haven't for a moment regretted producing them, even though it never occurred to me to breed before my parents demanded spawnage. But though I'm a 'common or garden' straight female, I've never found it helpful to be classified principally by my femaleness, which I find incidental and a minor, involuntary physical detail with several tiresome corollaries both social (fixable) and biological (not so easily fixable), and the nonsense about chest lumps and 'the crimson tide' and 'expiry dates' really, as it were, gets on my ovaries. (I'd rather the female body weren't built like that; I hereby move that it be amended). Then when Society goes about classifying me and the rest of the Fallopian Brigade according to spawnworthy status, that really gets my petticoat in a twist as we're clearly being viewed through spawn-tinted glasses as if reproduction ultimately defined us, taking precedence over things that are somewhat under our control (e.g. 'you invent songs' rather than 'whelp, you've got a womb which is now superannuated'). I'm only spewing all this unsolicited information out of relief caused by finding my thoughts echoed by someone else! Bookworm pride and bard power to all!

[@Saleturn]

Hi! Is there any evidence or strong suggestion about the one in Reims being Lugus? I am asking because I haven't been able to find any official source that confirms the connection. It seems like conjecture to me.

[@KrisHughes]

oof! It's been a while since I researched this talk, but it's a fair question. I'd say that it's scholarly conjecture. Nothing could make it official except an inscription.