The Roman Republic's Fall and the United States

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@danelen
@danelen 3 жыл бұрын
I have now watched dozens of John's lectures and am in awe of his intelligence and skill as a lecturer. It seems to me he must be one of those rare people who can recall literally almost everything he has ever read. He also seems like he's a genuinely kind and humble guy on top of all that!
@notsocrates9529
@notsocrates9529 2 жыл бұрын
I really like how kind and patient he is to the audience members who interject with dumb questions and their need to show off what they know. I would be a tyrant up there.
@oculophilia918
@oculophilia918 8 ай бұрын
The man is a scholar through and through! He has a subtle sense of humor that hits hard at times.
@SailingNervous
@SailingNervous 3 жыл бұрын
wow, excellent except for the audience interruptions!
@seansolidworks4736
@seansolidworks4736 3 жыл бұрын
I love John Hamer and the Centre Place videos. Found him a couple weeks ago and can’t stop watching - very informative and interesting. I hope all of the material is well sourced (undoubtedly it is). I would recommend playing at 1.25x speed to save a little time.
@kamion53
@kamion53 3 жыл бұрын
@4:24 the axe in the fasces was only used when the magistrate was outside the pomeria: the boundery of Rome, never inside the pomeria. the Field of Mars, originally a practice field had many buildings with important functions but was outside the boundery. Also a Roman citizen could not be flogged like a slave, but he could be whipped and for that punishment the lictor unbound his fasces and used a rod from it. @24:17 Oidipous Tyrannos is the play written by Sophocles, Oedipus Rex is Latin version Seneca wrote. In both cases is means Oedipus the King. And that lady reminds me of me in my schoolday: always interrupting the history teacher with things I knew better.
@cameronoconnor5364
@cameronoconnor5364 3 жыл бұрын
Audience interrupting is really annoying.
@michaelcompton5679
@michaelcompton5679 3 ай бұрын
The interruptions in this lecture, and in John’s other lectures, are absolutely annoying. Almost need an edited version that takes her out
@jeffkunce8501
@jeffkunce8501 2 күн бұрын
​@@michaelcompton5679 Just for perspective, these lectures started as a local community activity with a relatively small group of participants. KZbin "fame" and global audience came later. You'll notice that the current lectures don't have a participating live audience. That probably works better for the remote listeners. I'm sure the longtime local supporters miss the interactive experience.
@M0VI3GUY
@M0VI3GUY 2 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth always throws in great additions, I love that she likes to add some of her knowledge. Others complain that the interjections slow it down but the additions and questions on the go add to context and more history. I usually listen to at least 2 or 3 of your videos a day while working. Love them all! Keep it up!
@neocount6397
@neocount6397 11 ай бұрын
It's the bias and distain for civilization that she has.
@hellgod666
@hellgod666 5 ай бұрын
It’s annoying, if she wants to interject, she should give her own lecture. Don’t stop the lectures train of thought. Wait until the end to comment.
@keithlightizer156
@keithlightizer156 3 жыл бұрын
Elizabethianus Interruptus ad Nauseam... but I do enjoy the parts where the lecturer gets to speak
@miloisland3034
@miloisland3034 3 жыл бұрын
I love hearing him.... but to be nitpicky, he does seem to laugh as a tick, instead of saying "um" so I feel like a long form presentation without people right in front of him would be awesome from him!
@enslavedbytruth
@enslavedbytruth 3 жыл бұрын
😄
@TheDogPa
@TheDogPa 3 жыл бұрын
@@miloisland3034 1.5 speed helps...lol
@richardlindquist5936
@richardlindquist5936 3 жыл бұрын
She can’t help herself.
@user-ku9hs8yt8w
@user-ku9hs8yt8w 3 жыл бұрын
Every class has one older lady that has something to prove
@mungox1
@mungox1 3 жыл бұрын
please hold all questions till end of presentation. Constant interruptions are very annoying
@helicopter_traffic
@helicopter_traffic 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I enjoyed her input. If I were giving lectures I’d encourage audience participation like that to help it feel like a forum, more of a dynamic discussion. Feels like a healthy sign of an engaged and interactive learning audience, and helps break up the monotony of single-speaker performances. Another way to think of it; compared to most conversations I’ll encounter online, these fair, good-faith exchanges feel like a lost fine art😂
@redbrick9634
@redbrick9634 2 жыл бұрын
What a fountain of knowledge!
@aaronchowdhury2706
@aaronchowdhury2706 3 жыл бұрын
Great lecture despite the frequent interruptions from that one old lady in the audience. If she wants to speak so much she should just host her own presentation.
@dbmosser
@dbmosser 3 жыл бұрын
Speaker should have asked them to hold all questions and comments until the end. So annoying to hear her little “insights”
@helicopter_traffic
@helicopter_traffic 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I enjoyed her input. If I were giving lectures I’d encourage audience participation like that to help it feel like a forum, more of a dynamic discussion. Feels like a healthy sign of an engaged and interactive learning audience, and helps break up the monotony of single-speaker performances. Another way to think of it; compared to most conversations I’ll encounter online, these fair, good-faith exchanges feel like a lost fine art😂
@joanmichalke4072
@joanmichalke4072 2 жыл бұрын
The lady that keeps interrupting sounds as if she knows everything he's talking about. If she knows it already, why is she there. She should have her own program. She is so distracting.
@miriam-moore
@miriam-moore 2 жыл бұрын
One of the other problems to us that were not accustomed to hearing old women’s voices with respect and that might be also why you’re so annoyed with her
@joanmichalke4072
@joanmichalke4072 2 жыл бұрын
@@miriam-moore I am 77 years old. I was in education and taught for many years. Her interruptions are very annoying and disrespectful. Sometimes she interrupts to add things that he is going to talk about in five minutes, but she's so afraid he's going to miss something. Just let him talk. He's the one we want to hear. When he is done with the lecture, she can talk. She's like a little child with no filters. She just loves to talk.
@spiritualanarchist8162
@spiritualanarchist8162 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe this channel should use an editor to cut out the constant interruptions. It would make the video shorter and easier to follow
@jimtaggert42
@jimtaggert42 3 жыл бұрын
or not
@spiritualanarchist8162
@spiritualanarchist8162 3 жыл бұрын
@@jimtaggert42 Indeed, they good spend more time going into the subject and save the questions for after the talk if there is time left.
@jimtaggert42
@jimtaggert42 3 жыл бұрын
@@spiritualanarchist8162 or they could be anarchists, and do it the way they want
@spiritualanarchist8162
@spiritualanarchist8162 3 жыл бұрын
@@jimtaggert42 Or they could be whining and moaning all throughout the video . Anyway, thanks for the input Jim. 😂
@CodingForPeace
@CodingForPeace 3 жыл бұрын
As always delightfully detailed and curious talk. Little correction, in old Norse a council is called a Tinge so the islandic Altinge is writte with Al meaning everything, so You get the council for everything not a 'thing' in fact 🙂 thanks for lots of great talks
@svena.halstensen5699
@svena.halstensen5699 Жыл бұрын
just a correction. altinget it not a ting for everything, but everyone. just like the norwegian parliament is called stortinget, the big ting.
@mikemadden2092
@mikemadden2092 3 жыл бұрын
The first man in Rome and the grass crown taught me somewhat of a bit of Roman political setup..it's a good start bc it's based in fact..and I just like the series..good video as well..informative
@denniscannon769
@denniscannon769 3 жыл бұрын
Great presentation- talking about your Adels and Queesters- some people, like this guy, will get off the 'Queester's and do something, like present on an astoundingly interesting range of subject matters.
@bellodemamma1653
@bellodemamma1653 3 жыл бұрын
"Superbus" had different meanings in latin, and although one can find latin texts where "superbus" is used in the sense of "proud", the common meaning of this word is "arrogant". This semantic dychotomy still exists today in Italian. So you can find "superbo" in sentences like "hai fatto un lavoro superbo" means "you have done an excellent job", Whilst "hai un atteggiamento superbo" means "you have an arrogant demeanor" and not "you have an excellent demeanor". For italian scholars the meaning of "superbus" (when associated to tarquinus) will always be arrogant a not proud. Which IMHO explains better why the romans stripped him of his power and throw him out of the city.
@coreyparchem3470
@coreyparchem3470 3 жыл бұрын
Now it's just a really super bus.
@adriennepatterson6113
@adriennepatterson6113 2 жыл бұрын
@@coreyparchem3470 😆 nice
@andrewsuryali8540
@andrewsuryali8540 2 жыл бұрын
This is kind of funny because "proud" used to have the meaning of "arrogant" back when English scholars settled on that translation for "superbus". That's why we have the quote "pride goeth before destruction" in the KJV that I've actually heard quoted by Pride March counter-protesters because they misunderstand the original context. It's another case of English language evolution "softening" the meaning of a word, like how "terrible" used to mean able to inspire terror.
@richardlindquist5936
@richardlindquist5936 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching this cat’s hair grow while enjoying the content for a long time. Covid hair.
@SuperMrHiggins
@SuperMrHiggins 3 жыл бұрын
🙄 I don't even mean that disrespectfully. I belong to a low income bracket, never received the chance to work from home, the first mail room closed. Second mail room closed after employing me for a month, next job I had to move back to my rents house and am working at a gas station... when did you get paid to be at home? I've always been paid to be out amongst people and at risk.
@SuperMrHiggins
@SuperMrHiggins 3 жыл бұрын
Unrestrained capitalism will end. We will bury it.
@ebonkrieg
@ebonkrieg 3 жыл бұрын
Why is this a discussion?
@ubertrashcat
@ubertrashcat 4 ай бұрын
I miss the comments from the audience in the newer videos, especially from Elizabeth. Say hi to her John.
@terencedavid3146
@terencedavid3146 3 жыл бұрын
Aĺl empires go through 7 stages before their inevitable fall and demise. Its starts with.. 1: The age of pioneers/curiosity. 2: The age of conquest/ambition. 3: The age of commerce/wealth. 4: The age of affluence/indulgence. 5: The age of intellect/ego. 6: The age of bread n circuses. 7: The age of swollen n overextended military. Then kaboom it implodes on itself. America beware.👊👉😎
@beijingsbittch6218
@beijingsbittch6218 3 жыл бұрын
@Uncle Jed C'mon man.
@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump
@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump 3 жыл бұрын
This isn't even true though.
@terencedavid3146
@terencedavid3146 3 жыл бұрын
@@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump of course words are not true, words are just man-made sounds with connotative n agreed upon meaning. It's all an illusion. Dream on...
@matthewvicendese1896
@matthewvicendese1896 3 жыл бұрын
Marius expanded the army to combat the Gauls who were looking to invade.
@flamethrower9762
@flamethrower9762 3 жыл бұрын
So glad I found your channel. Not sure if this in your wheelhouse, but would really like your take on “ The Jesus Strand” . It claims Jesus was Druze . I am unconvinced as I found the Doc , not only lacking of facts but with an agenda to their way of thinking.
@NicholasSpies
@NicholasSpies 3 жыл бұрын
Given that some sort of large-scale altercation in the US seems all but inevitable, consider a lecture on Social Collapse on KZbin that posits that a general social failure in the US will likely be (much) worse on citizens than the fall of the Soviet Union was on the Russian people. Reasons given were, Russian cities are more compact, with more public transportation, families live together albeit in crowded conditions and have had the right to a living space with low or no rent, a greater probability of knowing their neighbors (because of less opportunities to move around), and a tradition of having small gardens, less dependence on cars, etc. Society in the US is less cohesive, people don't know neighbors well, cities and suburbs are spread out, public transportation has been largely abandoned in favor of cars, food and other essentials are less available locally, there are more guns in the US than people and so on. The American tradition of self-reliance, which was very strong in the 19C, has been traded for greater dependence on corporations, and since 1980 there has been a progressive worsening of extreme economic inequality, etc. Many people in the Roman Empire, except for people living in Rome itself, lived on farms and so could in theory survive regime changes fairly well. Their situation seems much closer to the Russian case than would pertain in the US. The extreme violence of the American Civil War was largely because of the polarization over the issue of slavery and an unwillingness to compromise. Despite initial enthusiasm on both sides, the War dragged on and on, during which some 650,000+ men died (a large percent of a whole generation), as well as massive destruction and dislocations of all kinds, and a legacy of distrust an division that survives until today. The effect of social collapse now would be catastrophic. The clogging of the supply chain in Fall of 2121 is the sort of problem that presages problems. And this is all during an epidemic of unknown but worsening extent...
@Rick_Riff
@Rick_Riff 2 жыл бұрын
Great writing and I agree with everything penned with one exception.... The "pandemic" isn't "worsening" it's beginning to appear that it was largely exaggerated, possibly even fabricated.
@2msvalkyrie529
@2msvalkyrie529 2 жыл бұрын
Guardian Reader ?
@elbapo7
@elbapo7 3 ай бұрын
Without meaning to sound overly akshually- i find the introductory point on architecture a bit of a stretch. Look at the parliament buildings of south Africa, india, stormont(northern ireland) and to a lesser extent the old Australian parliament to see that many british colonial government buildings were very classically influenced. Indeed the palace of Westminster itself has been dedcribed as classical /palladian in plan- with gothic ornamentation - with barry doing so to fit better with incorporating westminster hall. Not to detract at all from the central point that the US sought conciously to classical illusions- its just others did so also, and it was as much about the style of the architect /context and time as to what extent this was dominant
@deanvrabl
@deanvrabl 2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know email of this professor ?
@scubasteve7207
@scubasteve7207 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome Topic!! Huge fan of this show I watch almost every episode!The book "The Storm Before The Storm " By Mike Duncan an award winning podcaster who does the show The History of Rome covers this exact topic indepthly as well . For anyone who likes a good read
@deanvrabl
@deanvrabl 2 жыл бұрын
Can you someone please tell me who's that lecturer
@andrewsuryali8540
@andrewsuryali8540 2 жыл бұрын
John Hamer, pastor of Community of Christ Centre Place, Toronto.
@C.Zacarias-Main
@C.Zacarias-Main 2 жыл бұрын
The strength of the Constitutional Republic is the separation of powers and veto power. The weakness of the Constitutional Republic is state expansion and income inequality.
@horror11
@horror11 3 жыл бұрын
its not fair to compare an empire which existed for more than 1500 years as empire with a country which took its lead shortly after ww2 and after 70 years is already in decline.
@olso8621
@olso8621 3 жыл бұрын
the US is a centuries old republic which balooned into a global empire after ww2 and is absolutely not in decline. if anything it's on the upswing as the elites are more powerful than ever
@JohnWilmerding
@JohnWilmerding 3 жыл бұрын
That remains to be seen ...
@spiritualanarchist8162
@spiritualanarchist8162 3 жыл бұрын
@@olso8621 Decline starts at the height of power.
@N238E
@N238E 3 жыл бұрын
@@olso8621 i guess the number 2 is technically plural.
@ly5504
@ly5504 3 жыл бұрын
@ip2p p you're right. Probably socialists. Those are rampant in academia now
@while.coyote
@while.coyote 3 жыл бұрын
I love these lectures, but that woman needs to talk WAY less.
@helicopter_traffic
@helicopter_traffic 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I enjoyed her input. If I were giving lectures I’d encourage audience participation like that to help it feel like a forum, more of a dynamic discussion. Feels like a healthy sign of an engaged and interactive learning audience, and helps break up the monotony of single-speaker performances. Another way to think of it; compared to most conversations I’ll encounter online, these fair, good-faith exchanges feel like a lost fine art😂
@tomeubank3625
@tomeubank3625 Жыл бұрын
The architecture of Washington DC may be based upon the architecture of Rome. However, US criminal law is based primarily on British Common Law, whereas Europe, the Confederate States of America, and marital customs are based upon Roman Civil Law. Fully ⅓ of Roman Civil Law addresses the status of persons: who is free and who is not, and how one's status changes. Per Roman Civil Law, wives, children, animals, and slaves were part of a feeeman's estate. A male child was not free until he was permitted to establish his own estate. The status of a female child simply transferred from her father's estate to that of her husband. The dowery was essentially collateral that ensured that one's daughter would not be left destitute, if she were abandoned by her husband. Roman Civil Law also extensively dealt with inheritances. There were many ways that one could lose the free status, but once a slave, one could only regain a semblance of free, mostly through the largesse of one's owner. Since I studied this about 10 years ago, I may have erred in some of the details. The primary purpose of this post is to point out some basic differences between British Common Law and Roman Civil Law.
@roblink4781
@roblink4781 3 жыл бұрын
Couldn't make it past the woman who constantly interrupted his lecture
@digitalcommunist6335
@digitalcommunist6335 3 жыл бұрын
LOL. US at this point is Carthage much more then Rome. Oligarchic Republic ruled by money , no matter who or how. As long as you get it. Mercenary army , soft "native" population...... With no Barcids around ofc.
@Kurtlane
@Kurtlane 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating as far as Ancient Rome. As for the US: a whole lot of "smart Alecs." Especially that lady at the end, who just cannot help but express her banal views. Unfortunately, the lecturer just keeps nodding.
@helicopter_traffic
@helicopter_traffic 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I enjoyed her input. If I were giving lectures I’d encourage audience participation like that to help it feel like a forum, more of a dynamic discussion. Feels like a healthy sign of an engaged and interactive learning audience, and helps break up the monotony of single-speaker performances. Another way to think of it; compared to most conversations I’ll encounter online, these fair, good-faith exchanges feel like a lost fine art😂
@johnmichaelcule8423
@johnmichaelcule8423 3 жыл бұрын
I rather think that the core inspiration of the US Constitution was not Roman but British or rather a reworked version of the British parliamentary system that took more seriously than the British did the criticisms and theoretical models produced after the Wars of the three Kingdoms (as historians are nowadays calling the 'English Civil War'). The primary philosophical point was the need for a clear central sovereignity (an idea that wasn't around until after the Thirty Years War) with clear and multiple controls on it. The Presidential Veto is Roman in derivation, yes, but the idea of separation of powers is a theoretical construct that was created to say how the Parliament was supposed to work which never got taken entirely seriously in Britain. The Senate may be Roman in name but its functions (including the impeachment process) derive more from the House of Lords than Americans like to think. I think that the major difference between Rome and the US was the comparative simplicity of the system. There was one legislature, with pretty clearly defined differences between the two chambers rather than the mess of three assemblies and an advisory Patrician Senate. There were also a few steps to prevent the known flaws with the Roman system, most notably the requirement for oaths to be taken to the Constitution rather than to individuals, that is to say to the continued existence of the Rule of Law as established. Thus preventing the emergence of any Marius, Sulla or Caesar figures. (Though some people tried anyway.) American conservatives, I have noticed, have a predeiliction for looking at the gloomy predictions of Roman conservatives and applying them to the final fate of the US. This is daft of them since it's arguable that the inability to change in a consistent way and the fetishisation of the way of their ancestors was what did for the Republic. Certainly, the Founding Fathers tended to agree with the Renaissance philosophers about the inevitable decay of all Conatitutions, especially those which let the Common People have any voice. If I were feeling gloomy about the future of the US Constiiution the feature that strikes me as easiest to abuse (the way that the Dictatorship was abused by Sulla and Caesar) is the possibility of calling a Constitutional Convention. It's the vaguest and least defined bit of the writing and could well be captured by a populist wave of people who have a conviction they know just what's wrong with the country and are determined not to let any objections stand in their way.
@yakamen
@yakamen 3 жыл бұрын
The Grachii were the first of what were later called the "Populari". Gaius Marius was a Populari. That is, a Populist political leader. Someone who promoted the "popular" working-man's rights, whether genuinely or cynically. When Trump ran, he was a social elite who appealed to Populist sentiment - that is, you were more likely to vote for him over Hillary if you didn't have a college degree, worked blue-collar, etc. etc. The entanglement of inequality, resultant Populism, and military service, all worked together to undercut the republic. Also, the corruption of the nobles, and the eventual cynicism with which later Populari adapted to survive, all contributed. Julius Caesar was of the same stripe as Gaius Marius. Think of it -- the cult of personality that made sure you and yours had bread at night. So when he was murdered, even though he was a tyrant by our own standards, the poor wept. Crazy complex stuff. Interesting note, the loyalties question was preempted by the Founding Fathers. When you join the military in the USA you swear an oath to the Constitution -- not to the President. That way no one (in theory) might become Imperator.
@ebonkrieg
@ebonkrieg 3 жыл бұрын
... and by the republic for which it stands,
@patrickbarnes9874
@patrickbarnes9874 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure about the claim that you can call any state without a king a republic, from dictatorships to full participation democracies. As far as I know, a republic is a specific form of government in which the people directly elect representatives who then make the decisions for the state. I don't think either dictatorships or full participation democracies where the people vote on laws directly can be classified as republics. As far as the Canadian notwithstanding clause, I find it interesting that it's being invoked in order to reduce the size of government. So the people who are up in arms about it seem to me as an outsider looking in to be upset about someone using government power to reduce government power. It appears to be a bit of a strange controversy from my limited viewpoint. One annoying thing to me as an American, is when people from other countries criticize American defense forces abroad but won't defend themselves. If you don't like American troops in your nation and don't like the fact that you have no representation in American government, there's a a solution for you: hire your own soldiers, build your own tanks and planes, and pay for your own defense. The history rhyming quote is from Mark Twain.
@DreHolzer
@DreHolzer 3 жыл бұрын
it is pronounced "Senatus Populus Quirites Romani", later abbreviated in "Senatus Populusque Romanus"
@judithsmith9582
@judithsmith9582 3 жыл бұрын
Heck, I thought they were modeled after Greek buildings
@nbzz5539
@nbzz5539 3 жыл бұрын
Romans took a lot of influence from the greeks, so neo classical americana style could be said to be based on both
@markrossow6303
@markrossow6303 3 жыл бұрын
yes, Republican Rome largely adopted the highest Greek culture -- what it got from Etruscans was crude in comparison, stuff like family-hearth-gods and Roman Empire had lots of Ethnic-Greeks, such as we see in "New Testament" books
@spiritualanarchist8162
@spiritualanarchist8162 3 жыл бұрын
Greco-Roman
@mpgallogly
@mpgallogly 3 жыл бұрын
"THE EMPIRE NEVER ENDED" Phillip K Dick
@tedchandran
@tedchandran 3 жыл бұрын
Jai Hinduja Trumpet nearly succeeded in changing the Republic into a monarchy and becomes its First Caesar.
@beijingsbittch6218
@beijingsbittch6218 3 жыл бұрын
He tried but I succeeded.
@nbzz5539
@nbzz5539 3 жыл бұрын
You're delusional dude.
@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump
@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump 3 жыл бұрын
Trump cane nowhere near close. As disturbing as the fact that Jan 06 happened is, it was never a threat to the country on a grandscale. It wasn't up in the air, close, or a near thing.
@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump
@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump 3 жыл бұрын
@Uncle Jed Not really? And if it was orchestrated, the useful idiots are still a damming indictment of MAGApedes.
@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump
@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump 3 жыл бұрын
@Uncle Jed Sure buddy.
@michaelcompton5679
@michaelcompton5679 3 ай бұрын
The interruptions in this lecture, and in John’s other lectures, are absolutely annoying.
@markrossow6303
@markrossow6303 3 жыл бұрын
Good !
@theminutemenreport8822
@theminutemenreport8822 3 жыл бұрын
Rome never fell; it consolidated power and changed owners to the ones who subverted it by creating christianity.
@lloydmunga4961
@lloydmunga4961 3 жыл бұрын
Then to WW2 where the British Empire asked the USA to fight so they could keep everything they stole fair and square, then set up a symbiotic relationship between American military might and British finance with a healthy dose of modern colonialism .... and here we are at the precipice of yet another paradigm shift ...
@0371998
@0371998 3 жыл бұрын
exact ! It The worses have been chosen. The psychopaths fratricids have won ! The same sects , the same defeats. The U.S.A is destroy their constitution because of theses lobbies of Hell who have to be destroyed forever. 17 centurie x 4 generation = 68 generations,...This is not so much ! During this time, observe which forces have been capable to reproduce their means of power and their terrorist obscurentisms. You will find than the destructor of the begin is still in power today ! They infest us with sickness coviet and greed. They assassinate the liberty and the world of peace. They cultivate mental slave and mediocrity based on materialism. It was a crime to maintain naive the american about them.
@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump
@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump 3 жыл бұрын
This is an outdated and largely untrue idea. If that was the case, how did the Eastern Empire last even longer than the original? The rise of Christianity was A factor in the fall of the Western Empire, but not the cause.
@lloydmunga4961
@lloydmunga4961 3 жыл бұрын
@@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump the Roman Catholic Church WAS the new Roman empire and they set the world on fire with their power ...and it lived symbiotically like a parasite with all western countries up until the 20th century .... hell, TRCC even deposed rulers who went against them . The popes were more tyrants than divine
@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump
@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump 3 жыл бұрын
@@lloydmunga4961 That's not even true. The catholic church has vasilated greatly in power and level of good/bad. Like any country, it has to judged on a time period by time period basis. Also, nothing you said actually challenges my original comment.
@andywomack3414
@andywomack3414 3 жыл бұрын
58:00 Yet patricians could and did become plebs. Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus for instance. 1:43:00 Great question.
@EricSerrano-v7v
@EricSerrano-v7v Ай бұрын
❤❤❤Amen
@chrimony
@chrimony 2 жыл бұрын
Some would rather be equally poor than richer but poorer than the next guy. Inequality isn't the be all and end all measure.
@artemismoonbow2475
@artemismoonbow2475 3 жыл бұрын
"Thing" was from Germania and was a sort of tribal elite council. But a lot of what is found in Germania was of Etruscan origin, or at least some of it. So perhaps "thing" is Etruscan?
@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095
@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 2 жыл бұрын
The only thing that spoils these talks are the bozos interrupting: not to ask questions, but to try and show off that they know something. Tedious. {:-:-:}
@marcdouglasvogt7167
@marcdouglasvogt7167 2 жыл бұрын
URL: The Treaty of Peace, Paris, 1783, ... of The Holy Roman Empire, 'Rome' did not collapse in 476AD and is now 'Worldwide' all around planet earth. -marc27, The Truth Finder
@kyledefranco6720
@kyledefranco6720 3 жыл бұрын
*delenda
@larrybedouin2921
@larrybedouin2921 3 жыл бұрын
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold *a fourth beast* [Pagan Rome] dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another *little horn* before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the *eyes of man* and a mouth speaking great things. {Daniel 7:7-8} ... And the ten horns *out of this kingdom* are ten kings that shall arise: and another [Papal Rome] shall rise *after* them; and he shall be diverse (claiming authority over church and state craft; the spiritual sword and the temporal sword) from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. (The Heruli 493 A.D.; The Vandals 534 A.D.; The Ostrogoths 538 A.D.) And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and *think to change times and laws* and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (Same dispensation of the time of the Gentiles; and the time of the two witnesses.) But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away *his* dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. {Daniel 7:24-26}
@andreaspolitakos7652
@andreaspolitakos7652 3 жыл бұрын
Such a knowledgeable person, real scholar, but why all those small laughs? Is it some kind of tic?
@augurcybernaut4785
@augurcybernaut4785 3 жыл бұрын
Have you seen The Joker?
@andreaspolitakos7652
@andreaspolitakos7652 3 жыл бұрын
@@augurcybernaut4785 You think ?
@ciceroaurelius3757
@ciceroaurelius3757 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's in all his lectures. You get use to it
@helicopter_traffic
@helicopter_traffic 3 жыл бұрын
It helps break up the monotony I think. Small dash of cynical/leaning-into-laconic attitude that both mildly ridicules the goofy nature of less advanced, yet very assertive peoples, and brings self-awareness to history as a barely-held-together best-guess forensic study. He also uses a lot of up-speak? Or turning his voice up at the end of every sentence? as if he’s asking a question? Both the laughs and the up-speak reflect the modern cynical view of institutions and the historical institutions that study them.
@augurcybernaut4785
@augurcybernaut4785 3 жыл бұрын
@@helicopter_traffic @_@
@curtisdavis5665
@curtisdavis5665 3 жыл бұрын
We Will End Up Next As An AMerican Citizen Saying This If We're Not Careful From Person To Person!
@lennykoss8777
@lennykoss8777 3 жыл бұрын
🤔🤔🤔
@o_o8203
@o_o8203 3 жыл бұрын
1:33:00 see, gerrymandering is nothing new lol
@boat1433
@boat1433 2 жыл бұрын
Denis
@vincezetti7216
@vincezetti7216 3 жыл бұрын
BCE… a popular acronym for all the Christ -hating academics out there
@jopickett4306
@jopickett4306 3 жыл бұрын
chill im christian and use bce
@Iknowknow112
@Iknowknow112 3 жыл бұрын
No it’s because Christians mythology couldn’t get it story straight. You don’t know where your idol was born and you certainly don’t know when, eventually serious people figured they could do better than dating based on myth.
@jopickett4306
@jopickett4306 3 жыл бұрын
@@Iknowknow112 chill bro
@beijingsbittch6218
@beijingsbittch6218 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty girlfriend, Vince. I bet her hair smells nice, huh?
@americanparser
@americanparser 3 жыл бұрын
@@Iknowknow112 So what marks the beginning of the Common Era?
@DreHolzer
@DreHolzer 3 жыл бұрын
It is pronounced "Fasches", not "Faskes" it is the word from which we derive Fascism indeed.
@stephanieferguson6504
@stephanieferguson6504 Жыл бұрын
Not a Latin scholar, but pretty sure Latin doesn’t do soft c sound. So, his pronunciation is correct in Latin. In Italian it may be different. Cesar is pronounced with a hard c in Latin. This is where we get the title Kaiser, as far as I understand.
@mikemadden2092
@mikemadden2092 3 жыл бұрын
The us fell after desert storm ended...
@mikenuzzo3323
@mikenuzzo3323 3 жыл бұрын
?
@mikemadden2092
@mikemadden2092 3 жыл бұрын
Not in a literal sense yet...that'll happen soon enough..but economically socially...it has fallen more ways than one and it isn't over yet
@flamos44
@flamos44 3 жыл бұрын
It won’t fall Roman republic was always an oligarchy right now it still is an oligarchy there was an attempt by one oligarch to size power but he was outmaneuverd/eliminated by the others who hanged up on him. The US will not fall like republic because the oligarchs are too strong and are not very divided and they control the media the institutions and everything and furthermore the scary part is they are not individuals but corporations more specifically powerful multinational companies worth several times the gdp of most countries around the world. Will US decline yes will Americans have less freedoms and rights yes wills e perhaps be more socialist on social issues yes but you can bet all of it will remain under the control of the multinational corporations because they control everything including both parties. So at worst US may not have same reach as the 90s but given it’s geography and neighbors it ain’t falling anytime soon ago a dictator unless somehow said dictator can take on all the MNCs and F500 American companies which is unliekly
@annascott3542
@annascott3542 3 жыл бұрын
Plus mass surveillance. If anything, it will morph from its present oligarchic into an authoritarian form of governing. A very disturbing thought.
@bradfordlane4129
@bradfordlane4129 Жыл бұрын
Please ask Elizabeth to stop talking!!!
@centre-place
@centre-place Жыл бұрын
🤣
@onceANexile
@onceANexile 3 жыл бұрын
This guy needs to reread Livy. The Plebs got the Tribune, way before the Tribune consuls. (The early history of Rome, ie Virginia and virginus...) just saying.
@brianmacc1934
@brianmacc1934 3 жыл бұрын
Fore warned is fore armed , it wont happen the yanks arent stupid ..... but then again
@piratesapper
@piratesapper Жыл бұрын
Your knowledge of the United States is embarrassing.
@718EngrCo
@718EngrCo 3 жыл бұрын
This lady bemoans the amount the US spends on her defense.
@user-ku9hs8yt8w
@user-ku9hs8yt8w 3 жыл бұрын
Her iran comment was goofy as well
@abdulsharif6541
@abdulsharif6541 3 жыл бұрын
Rome2.0
@thomasedmondson3585
@thomasedmondson3585 2 жыл бұрын
Why all the bad lefty jokes throughout your presentation of second hand information videos
@mr.cosmos5199
@mr.cosmos5199 3 жыл бұрын
Theology and Politics God resists the proud. Pride comes before a fall. God gives grace to the humble. USA still believe in America First and White Supremacy. China suffered a Century of Humiliation. Can these explain the direction of present day scenario?
@nbzz5539
@nbzz5539 3 жыл бұрын
America first means american tax dollars should go to benefit american citizens. Thats what the government is supposed to do. It has nothing to do with white supremecy. America first is also about standing up to a government who is full of internationalists and megacorporations working in tandum to gut the country of manufacturing, wealth, and independence as they get rich off the slave labor conditions on foreign soil. The white supremecy crap is a bunch of propaganda.
@mr.cosmos5199
@mr.cosmos5199 3 жыл бұрын
nb zz Nah. Trump’s America First is a foreign policy of American interest comes first irrespective what happens to other countries. He ranted to hoodwink Americans like you to think that everyone in the world is ripping off the USA and that it’s time for USA to get out of alliances, treaties, etc like nato, Iran nuclear treaty, Paris accord, WHO, etc,etc and wants to deglobalize. Do your research. How you can ever say it’s a domestic policy speaks volumes about your blinded by propaganda. But the rest of the world knows it has always been America First..(=USA wins, you lose) Stop watching only Fox News and msm.Get the unpleasant truth by listening to people like Professor Richard Wolff, Professor Jeffrey Sachs , Chris Hedges or George Galloway. Remember , truth hurts but ultimately heals.
@dominiquemcdowell88
@dominiquemcdowell88 3 жыл бұрын
First of all I’d say that you are the one blinded by propaganda if you believe that in America we have a difference between Republicans & Democrats. We do NOT, we have 2 wings that control the bird, the bird being the elite. Our entire government has become extremely corrupt & I think it’s safe to say that world governments are corrupt. Governments no longer serve their citizens they serve a global master. If de globalization were actually on the table then I’m all for that. I have no desire to be ruled/controlled by a select few who enact laws based on enriching the few who unlike what you believe are quite United no matter which country they reside. Their citizenship is currency, power, & control. Have you noticed essentially all world leaders spouting the exact same phrase? Have you noticed who that comes from? Not any elected figure started this, the World Economic Forum. If we as a species, as human beings can not come together and stop these globalists pigs from gaining all the control that they seek we will be in your global wet dream where we are controlled by what the powers that shouldn’t be decide we should have; little to no meat (for the planet of course), you will own nothing & be happy (no car-public transport, no land-apt towers or tiny homes), you will not be allowed to speak negatively about ANY gov leader (censorship already rampant), allotment of carbon points (you travel when they say you can). All while these bastards own most of the land, fly private jets, have multiple homes on all continents, eat like kings & queens, create/control all tech, media, entertainment. Don’t you see? Saving the planet for these people in particular means saving it for them not for you. We need compassionate leaders, we need accountability across this globe. There are enough resources for this to be possible except the ones who control these do NOT want to share, they want to insure their futures at the expense of the bulk of humanity. That is this globalization you speak of, it’s not equity in the terms that I think you believe. The current rulers are not good people, you can’t fall into the traps they’ve set & by spouting your trump bs proves that you see one of these sides as good & the other as bad. We the people have got to unite because their divide & conquer is going just as they’ve planned.
@rockstar450
@rockstar450 3 жыл бұрын
@@dominiquemcdowell88 as long as the majority of decisions are approved by the people it will still run fine. What troubles me is Americans are so pliable by the media they’re gun laws are literally laughed at by the rest of the world as half the population says blowing up kids is good for the economy and assault rifles could take on the US Military...
@o_o8203
@o_o8203 3 жыл бұрын
1:33:00 see, gerrymandering is nothing new lol
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