Muslim Perspectives on the Crusades

[@glenn-younger]

This was interesting to hear some of the quotes from letters and texts written by Muslims of the day. Of course, my favorite was the description of the Northern Franj's. ;-) Looking through his lens, I'm sure he felt his perspective and evaluations were spot on. Oh, and the medical observations are enough to make you shudder and breathe a sigh of relief that you're living today, not then. Right? Naturally, this makes me consider how even people today describe and treat their "others". How will WE'LL be viewed by our future brothers and sisters? I truly hope they belly laugh with great love at how off-base we are with all this divisive behavior against each other.

[@anthonydubey8]

Is there a centre place lecture on the comparative paths of the three judaic religions, judaism, catholicism and islaam, highlighting points of connection and disconnection,. Sounds intriguing. If there isn't, I'd like to suggest that as a topic for a future lecture. The content and presention of these centre place lectures, simple but informative and engaging, is great.

[@GaryAskwith1in5]

Talk request? To follow up on the discussion 35 minutes in regarding changes that may occur with the transition from Queen Elizabeth to King Charles. Historical comparisons and elaboration on current context & some flirtation with predictions of what could possibly ensue ie: religious, cultural, social and political changes across Britain, the Commonwealth and wider internationally? Whilst managing to avoid tangents into yawning sibling rivalry and Markle gossip!

[@robertbrozewicz8003]

Actually Christians are very different now and then, while Muslims are relatively unchanged. Also apart from Poland to a degree no European country is so much Christian anymore. Now it is more about Woke or globalism. To the point that Islam makes more inroads in Europe than other way round.

[@dougrobinson6683]

I know this comment is off topic and 4 years late, but the presenter (John?) said something I've been wondering about in regards to the Gospels. Coming from James Tabor's "Luke Knows Josephus," I've wondered if it's possible that Philo's Logos philosophy is what led to Paul's Christology, and then the gospels are later attempts to historicize the Logos (perhaps as a counter-exemple to Jesus of Sirach), using Josephus to anchor the story in the 1st century. However, because they didn't have the concept of anachronisms or proper calendars, they used Yeshua ben Joseph (who died in 4 BCE) as their historical guy (and mixed in other details from Josephus without too much concern for accurate chronology, again because they had no concept for anachronisms).

[@dougrobinson6683]

This is just an idea, but it could also explain the motivation and opportunity for the interpolations of Josephus that insert more explicit references to Christ.

[@dougrobinson6683]

And my idea may be more in line with how the infancy narratives were later added, building from a collection of Jesus/Logos parables that already existed (or were being developed and collected over the course of the 1st centuries BCE and CE). And of course I may be entirely wrong altogether.

[@dougrobinson6683]

I could see a scenario where the author(s) of Luke used Josephus to find a historical Jesus for the purpose of the infancy narrative, and then (while they were at it) also used Josephus to better-historicize Jesus' ministry, which led to the version of Luke that Prof. Tabor says knows Josephus.

[@dougrobinson6683]

And all this could have been done piously, just wanting to reflect their Lord and Savior more accurately, and refute people who said he just appeared and was never truly human.

[@dougrobinson6683]

Also the information on Hadrian turning Jerusalem into a pagan city suggests Christianity wasn't really needed until after the 2nd Jewish war. Were Christians barred from Aelia Capitolina as well? Or was it like, "Hey, I'm not a Jew, I'm a Christian. May I please enter Jerusalem? I mean Aelia Capitolina? Wink wink." And of course they had their "letters from Paul" that said they didn't have to get circumcised or follow the law, which again could be a show of non-Jewishness to fool the Romans.

[@MilahanPhilosophersCorner]

Educational.

[@unnunn12]

struth

[@tyranosaurusrex8781]

The Crusaders' greatest victim was Bizantium.

[@martinithegr8]

It's a sad irony of history.

[@AT-gm4hh]

So the Germanic crusaders finished off Rome.

[@neocount6397]

If only they could have saved it from Islam.

[@ekesandras1481]

@@AT-gm4hh Venice did

[@marcusmalone]

Who is this guy? Is he an academic? He's really amazing as a lecturer (I'm a sociology lecturer).

[@Nwmguy]

He's the pastor/co-ordinator at Centre Place in Toronto. It is a Community of Christ church (hadn't heard of CoC before finding this channel). John is also a map maker and medievalist.

[@commiechu]

Yes he's a history MA with published work.

[@uverpro3598]

Snickers.

[@JackthePelican]

My favorite. And he's so humble and sweet without using his authority of knowledge to dominate or profess.

[@JackthePelican]

He has a PhD. But mainly focuses on religions of the Middle East in the early Middle Ages. I believe he is first and foremost a Minister, believe it or not.

[@Patrick77487]

All the blood spilled within "Holy Land" hasn't yet satisfied sociopath religions.

[@evolvedape3341]

As a person who is as white as snow, I can say I like the cold and hate the heat! I’ll take the jokes about my coming from lands of ice and snow over sand and heat!

[@tyranosaurusrex8781]

It was the third Roman-Jewish war that Hadrian defeated

[@morningmidnight9398]

The pagans in Iraq, North Africa and Egypt still existed as Christians were more dominant in cities but the majority of the superbs were pagan. Also there were many nations that made peace treaties with the Muslims and those treaties held for centuries. The Persians and Romans simply kept breaking the treaties but the nubians for example didn't and this was before the seige of Constantinople. And of course the usual nonsense of the Romans and Persians were exhausted by wars that they were rolled over by the Arabs even though Arabia had an almost 100 years of civil wars and a couple of plagues and simply had less resources and know how. Furthermore Iraq, Syria proper and Egypt had Arabs in them more than a couple of thousand years and before Islam those places had a large Arab presence according to Greek historians.

[@rickvassell8349]

Who zoomed who?

[@stefanostrev7301]

Interesting?? Isn’t there a country called Bulgaria to the north of Byzantine?

[@sophitsa79]

Bulgaria is to the north of Greece. It would have been part of the Empire at some stage

[@stefanostrev7301]

@@sophitsa79 , not in the time period that he is talking about at that lecture!

[@sophitsa79]

@UC6aCH5aWTN5XiZDScRaHetQ it borders Greece. You can drive there from Thessaloniki in a few hours. It's north west of Turkey. It's quite a bit south of Romania

[@vincentlattuca3763]

The crusaders were lost killing and torturing in the name of Christ. Mulhamed was a peacekeeper who reluctantly authorized jihad for defense only. The current Jihadists have been misled much as the crusaders were. All roads connect in Fatima. What most Christians don't realize is that Fatima is the name of Mulhamed's favorite daughter and how it became a town in Portugal is a remarkable story. Find a path to God. Peace. All men are brothers and there are no holy wars.

[@allahjr.8522]

Jihad means struggle. But that 'struggle' is freaking lethal. Sadly, no man has balls to denounce inappropriate and hostile verses of jihadhism. Wish saudi crown prince MBS abolish hostile verses.

[@RNMom19]

Which verses are you speaking about (which you are probably reading out of context and not the verses before or after)? It’s a convenient narrative to try and demonize Islam and Muslims as violent but this is logical fallacy because there are over 2 billion Muslims and if what you say was true, there would be no peace anywhere and you would not find religious minorities in Muslim majority countries. It was the second Khalif, Omar in Al Khattab, who rebuilt synagogues and welcomed Jews back into Jerusalem after the defeated Christians had kicked them all out. You just repeat whatever MSM talking points about Islam without any honest research that doesn’t come from Islam-hating or Christian apologists sources. Muslims don’t play around with God’s Word, the Quran. No one has a right to “remove” what you or anyone else deems as problematic from the Quran. Even if MBS tried, he would fail because millions of Muslims have memorized the entire Quran so any attempted adulteration would be found out immediately and discarded.

[@johnndamascene]

Lord forgive your curses

[@dolandlydia]

Did he say that the Vikings went to Jerusalem in 700 AD.?

[@oremfrien]

Yes. Some Vikings were Christianized and would make the pilgrimage. There was also some degree of trade as we have found Abbasid coins in Sweden.

[@timstarkes173]

Some Anglo-Saxons went further north. Some went west. Some went south

[@dolandlydia]

Is this guy a professor somewhere?

[@dolandlydia]

The Vikings went to Jerusalem in 600 or 700 ad?

[@aaryankanwar189]

@@dolandlydia no

[@seanmacsweeney2985]

Sadly not historically accurate regarding 6-9th century, but the rest is interesting

[@seanmacsweeney2985]

The golden age of Zoroastrian Persia, not of the Muslims

[@jussikankinen9409]

Vikings trade with muslims and brits were scared

[@wegder]

So you're saying that the Muslim perspective is the most important thing on earth?

[@joseloayza4825]

You didn’t have “too much material”. You had too little material. When are you going to present a fair “Christian” perspective and discuss the Muslim conquest atrocities?

[@Eseindividuo]

@@TryToHardForFun Still waiting for the Christian perspective though zzzzzz

[@Eseindividuo]

@@TryToHardForFun You should know that the historical facts are the same no matter where you live or your religion. It's a matter of "perspective" ;) Again, when is this teacher going to present the Christian perspective??

[@sophitsa79]

@@tommyboman7735 so why were they fighting the Christian Byzantine Empire? The weakened the Empire and made it harder for them to fight the Arabs. Then, once the Arab and Ottoman Empires were established, they allied with them and grew rich. The crusades demolished the ancient world like the Sea People did and they ushered in another dark age in the East and maintained the Dark Age in western Europe

[@appolonius5468]

@@Eseindividuo He's literally in Canada lecturing to Americans and Canadians who have heard all about the Christian perspective already during the course of their education. I'm sure there's a Muslim lecturer on the other side of the world lecturing about the Christian perspective on the Crusades to people unfamiliar with it. Stop being so Western-centric and self-victimising, not everything is about you.

[@Egos_Altar]

This lecture is literally called "A Muslim perspective of the crusades" I despair

[@nathanielpea5819]

Filed under things I will never care about.

[@hasbullahbinsarpin1578]

Muslim perspective by Christian Commentater... Ridiculous and bias...

[@dolandlydia]

bayan budiman when he refers to Jesus's message as pie in the sky, well I do not think he is too much of a christian.

[@morningmidnight9398]

@dolandlydia Yet he most likely using a Christian commentary and perspective on what Muslim sources say. In other words as usual they are not referring to authentic sources rather they use fantastical accounts

[@oremfrien]

Considering that he frequently cites Muslim sources, it seems pretty reasonable to call this the Muslim perspective. You don’t have to be from a certain group to explain that group’s perspective and conversely, there are many people from a certain group who may hold a different perspective from the rest of the group.

[@notsocrates9529]

Make your own video and be quiet if it bothers you so much. Long live Charles Martel and his spirit. He didn't have to make a video presenting the other side at all, but he did in an effort to be fair. It is never enough is it.

[@k-popistrash8974]

Literally everyone is biased, including yourself, get over it

[@dolandlydia]

He is a horrible presenter.

[@kathrine266]

i love him

[@glenn-younger]

@@kathrine266 Me too!

[@alexvince461]

That's a very interesting conclusion, but what does it mean?

[@NimLeeGuy]

I think he's very bearable. And I'm not a Christian, or an American

[@sophitsa79]

He's a lecturer. This is what lectures are like. He's not a "KZbinr"