Century C308 vs PTR-91

[@MarksmanTV]

Sorry the music is is loud during the historical overview part. It did not seem so loud while I was editing! It only lasts about a minute or so - please try to ignore the loud music haha. Sorry and thanks!

[@ConditionZero76]

MarksmanTV, Nice video Great information. I recently purchased a C-308 haven't fired it yet & really don't know much about it at all., I have heard many horror stories, complaints about the accuracy being so bad & even a few guys here on KZbin saying there barrel blew up etc. Whats your experience with the C308 specifically, do you believe the stories to be true & whats your thoughts on polishing the BCG to a smooth finish, think it would help in any fashion. Thanks for your help

[@TacticalBeard]

Any input on centerys new C308’s classic that comes with the wood furniture i here there fit and finish got better and Atlantic firearms is selling that model I’m just torn between how afordable the C308’s is and the perceived quality of the PTR but at double the cost

[@Meton12765]

Seriously, get a proper microphone and study the basics of audio recording techniques and how to mix music into a voice over. This video is completely unwatchable because of it's 1970's amateur VHS film production quality of sound. A constantly distracting buzz or static coming from something in the background, with your mouth so far from the mic the monologue also being distorted on top of that by the echo it now captures and it also makes your voice sound extremely droning. Add on top of that a segment where you mix in music which nearly covers over your monologue and is completely stylistically in-appropriate when combined with the monologue-only intro, and horseshit in all artistic values to boot, so it creates an awkward and off-putting feeling out of the gate. A proper microphone for your camera and basic sound normalizing techniques with audacity or the basic sound tools enabling this included with most video editors don't cost more than pocket change. And seriously, you need to mix that music to be BELOW your voice-over in level and for your voice-over to carry over the music regardless of it's level, it needs to be a CLEAR take with out this kind of noise in it or you're just gonna make this sick inducing cacophony soup like now by adding music on top of all the noise and distortion your monologue has. (Or you need to at the very least clean that monologue up in the edit. That's not always possible, though. With poor mics and if you place them poorly. Seriously, what are you trying to record? The ambient noise of your studio room, or your speech? Because it sure as hell sounds like you love the static buzz and distorted echoes more than what you were trying to say.) Seriously, this made me feel nauseous. It's incredulous that over 136000 people were able to watch this for more than a few seconds. :D

[@n-ews]

Just skip music. Simple as that. The music adds nothing of value to the video.

[@jeangarcia6432]

The hk charging handle looks just as hard as the cetme is it?

[@myksanchez1222]

In other words, buy a PTR 91. Thanks for the video!

[@Shadow0fd3ath24]

I wouldnt. The ptr is 1200 used and c308 is 550-600 new anywhere I look. Both use the same reciever/barrel/ parts kits and only difference is who assembles them, muzzle brake and threading, trigger housing, and finish color

[@Holret]

PTR 91 is double the price. Its really down to preference.

[@michaelthebarbarian3380]

@@Holret I agreed, I own both and would suggest just buying the C308 and using the rest of the money to buy ammo and mags.

[@WardenWolf]

In other words, buy a PTR-91 if you an afford it, but the C308 will do just fine. The C308 is still around a 1 MOA rifle. The PTR-91 is .6 to .8. They are both fine guns, although the Century gun is a MUCH better value.

[@FadingSwordsman]

@@WardenWolf Inspect, inspect, inspect. CAI has had quite a few issues with proper headspacing in the recent past, so you should make sure to bring go/no go gauges with you. Spend that extra $100 and some time to make sure your C308 won't take a hand/face with it, or spend the extra $600 and just get a PTR91 and don't worry about it.

[@556poor7]

my c308 has been flawless great rifle especially for todays prices.

[@johnski4709]

So has mine. I've ordered a wide hand guard for it those so I can use my HK bipod.

[@calicojack556]

Given that a lot of the parts are made by PTR, I would think they would be similar. It boils down to whether or not you like the Cetme sights. You can get a PTR-91 GI with a rail on top if you want for an optic. For me, I would rather use the military iron sights.

[@jeangarcia6432]

If u get cetme 308 as the parts start to wear out u csn replace them with ptr now u have a cetme shell with ptr guts

[@Plata-ori-plumbu]

@@jeangarcia6432 The current C308's are actually PTR's with original CETME parts, but yea.

[@jdove6883]

As a C308 owner--purchased mine around2917 --I must say this is an excellent video. I learned some new things about the rifle I have had for almost 4 years.

[@homefront3162]

PTR Customer support is 10x better than the other

[@jimbotheassclown]

Wait what century has customer support since when??? LOL

[@cbwelch4]

Homefront Amen!

[@Plata-ori-plumbu]

Thing is, on these newer Century CETME's, Century Arms redirects you to PTR after a few questions since PTR made all the external parts. A current C308 is basically a PTR with original CETME parts. Cheaper cost, OG parts easily replaceable with HK or PTR's? Win win for me!

[@shawnstarks1743]

Just purchased a PTR 308 today (10/26/23) Love it.

[@Thetailofthetrident]

I own them both and both perform at the same level in every way. The trigger group on the C308 is made by PTR Industries. I'm not sure if all C308's come like that but mine did.

[@MinhVu-in9iz]

Lough Sun which is better ptr 91 or c308?

[@larryfisher8332]

PTR uses the Century to make their gun and than they just put their stamp on it. I worked there. BUT -they do not ship out crap.

[@gunner4lyfe723]

I'm planning on getting a c308. I want a battle riffle that can punch through pretty much anything and still go out 800 yards+

[@Thetailofthetrident]

@@MinhVu-in9iz I think "better" is a word that indicates one would out perform the other in a significant way. And if, I'm understanding you correctly? Then neither is "better" neither was built for precision. However, both are practically accurate. And very reliable. And can run dirty for about 1200 rounds with no trouble.

[@Thetailofthetrident]

@@gunner4lyfe723 Both are heavy and long but are reliable and practically accurate. Not precision rifles but they'll get'er duhn!

[@richardmoore6295]

the cetme front sight on the c-308 is also adjustable for windage the post is off center and turning it gives 180 degrees of adjustment in addition to elevation mine also came with a cleaning kit and old tubes of oil behind the bayonet lug under the front sight.kind of a cool bit of history.

[@dougoland1611]

such a fantastic comparison! great information for shopping the used market! So many questions answered in a concise manner. Thanks

[@NAVYABHAN]

The rear turret sights are marked in Meters, not yard's which is a very common mistake we all have made.

[@curtrn]

Just purchase two C308's. So affordable it's a no brainer. I have an old Cetme that many folks complain about. No Cetme complaints with me. It was so great I purchased the two C308's . I have had nothing but joy with these 308 battle rifles. It's the most bang for the buck in 308. When the political climate changes these guns will dry up very quickly.

[@MarksmanTV]

Yea, with the deals that recently popped up on these C308's were unbelievable! I bought several and sold them in my store for $520, plus there is a $50 rebate. I bought one for myself as well. And they really are functional rifles. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@stefanodogg280]

It's not unbelievable, it's about the relative labor time put in, quality control, parts and tooling between the two. There is no free HK clone lunch

[@MusicalBusinessMartin]

I just bought one for 400$ bucks

[@motorbreath-4172]

And here we are today, just paid $900 for a c308.

[@moctezumaaleg2008]

@@motorbreath-4172 they go that high know

[@franktaeterUSA]

PTR Industries is the way to go. Years ago I purchased a couple of the Century Arms original "CETME" rifles since I was always a fan of the original HK style guns. I think they were around $350 a piece. They were pieces of junk: They'd rip brass in half, needed a mallet to disassemble and just felt cheap. Got rid of 'em. PTR or then JLD Enterprise brought original HK tooling and blueprints to the US and made an exact clone of the HK-91. I bought two of 'em. They shoot like a dream, no recoil, zero failures ever, they're very accurate, and a tad heavy but just fabulous overall. One is a MSG-91 w/ a bipod and picatinny rail, one just a std model PTR-91 F (they cost $1590 and $899 respectively) w/ collapsible stock and original HK scope mount (ea about $200). If you're looking for a semi auto 308, stick w/ PTR quality. They stand behind their products. Century Arms - good luck if you spend $$$ with them

[@txgunguy2766]

Yes, those original Century CETME rifle were of questionable quality but the C308 is a vastly better rifle. Now you're pretty much getting a PTR for $300 less.

[@jimbotheassclown]

Scott fox NO your not your getting a frankenstein rifle put together by minimum wage retards that when parts don't fit they use a hammer and grinder till they do.

[@Brisco_County_Jr]

@@jimbotheassclown the only thing Cetme is the bolt and carrier. Hardly Frankenstein. The rest is all PTR.

[@jimbotheassclown]

Lol butt stock lower receiver barrel cover.

[@ItsJustMeMcKee]

@@txgunguy2766 I'll gladly pay that extra.... The century name itself is a letdown

[@garrettelliott2565]

I had some small issues with the trigger assembly on my C308 but since then has done just fine.

[@markbennettjr]

just got a c308 for $415 !!!!! WHAT A DEAL

[@cookmaz1610]

mark bennett where?

[@reptilesgamers00]

How is the ptr doing?

[@350yardteeshotsmakesgolfez]

u a damn lie and your nickname doodoo. where?

[@MyCatFooed]

@JKay11235 I'm getting one for as close to $400 as possible!

[@jonhurley1750]

I got an older cetme c by centery for 300 at a pawn shop. Someone had common spray painted it. I stripped off the spray paint and replaced the plastic furniture with wood n.o.s. my wife won't let me sell it now. She thinks it's to "pretty" to let go

[@curtrn]

I purchased a new PTR 2 years ago. I could not tell you how disappointed I was. Called PTR and sent it back for repair three times. There is no way they tested that rifle. It was nothing but failures to feed, eject, fire. The PTR company just completely wasted my time with sending it back and forth. Yeah they offered a new gun but I figured with all the polishing and little extra things they claimed they did this one would be better than new. I sold and told the buyer my story. We test fired it and true to form failure after failure. He purchased it believing his gunsmith could fix it. Yeah right if the manufacturing company can't fix it good luck. Long story I lost $350 and so much time on that new PTR NEVER AGAIN !!! I have owned CETMES and several C308 never had a problem with the Century arms rifles.

[@HimmelGanger]

The trigger housing on the PTR seems to be a surplus part from either Denmark (Gv/75) or Norway (AG3), the letters on the selectors are S=Sikker (safe), E=Enkelskudd (single shot), and F=Flerskudd (multi shot), I have translated the words literally, and not used "propper" English firearms nomenclature, that way you can get a sense of what the words are instead of the infered meaning.

[@8literbeater]

It's German. (HK is a German company.) S = Sicher = safe or secure E = Einzelfeuer = single fire F = Feuerstoß = firing burst or burst of fire

[@OlaLiljegren]

We hade the G3 in the Swedish army. The name for it was AK4. Question.... Do you know what the spring loaded button under the front sight is for?

[@OlaLiljegren]

Oki it's on the army version

[@8literbeater]

Bayonet.

[@Jerkwilkesbooth]

It holds a tube with cleaning supplies. Push in the detent pins on both sides of the sight and it'll twist/pull out. The channel in the main cap is for attaching a G3 bayonet

[@johnqpublic2718]

Did the Military version not have a cleaning kit on the bayonet lug?

[@JenniferNiles-sm8dt]

Ptr makes the C308 for century in the same factory. Both basically the same rifle but century uses surplus parts as much as possible. So any breakage in the c308 could be overly used parts.

[@gottroubletactical]

I have an older ptr91 without the welded on scope rail and no mav release paddle. The gun has been 100% reliable, and is tons of fun.

[@frankmcgraw1824]

Bought a cetme about 10 15 years ago (not sure) but Tim said it was a good one & he was right fired a lot of rounds through it & never had any problems works perfect ! but you have to modify g-3 mags to fit & they work just fine to

[@narimanpanahi6196]

Great gun for those who are looking for accuracy and power in long range. Heavy recoil makes that better choice for bulky guys to handle its heavy weight. For those men of action who are looking for true power in their hand, accuracy in long range, and reliability in tough situations this rifle (G3/PTR-91/HK-91/C308) would be a lovely choice.

[@ALI.F_7798]

البته حجم و سنگینی سلاح کمی اذیت کننده هست . من خودم مدل قنداق کشویی رو بیشتر دوست دارم . اگر با کیت های تاکتیکال و رد دات و... استفاده بشه عالی میشه

[@sheepdog457]

Very timely that you posted this just now. I am very close to "pulling the trigger" (I'm sorry, can't help myself) on a PTR. Just trying to decide on which accessory model. This video was very informative and helpful on making my choice. Thanks!!

[@MarksmanTV]

Good I'm glad it helped! I am sure you will be happy with whichever model of the PTR you end up with. They are very fine rifles. Thanks again for watching and have fun taking it out to the range!

[@christopherbarger6112]

PTR no question. But man, the Century price is nice

[@jamesb9300]

Right now? There is a $50 difference here in Ohio. And the century is $50 more

[@midniteoyl8913]

The music and low voice over quality really made it hard to hear what you where saying. I know people will say 'get a better mic (and camera for that matter), but simply removing the music would also work. Edit: D'oh.. Ben already pointed it out. Sorry. Had this tab open for awhile and didnt notice the he replied already.

[@MarksmanTV]

Yep - I will definitely pay more attention to the sound levels in the future. I edited this at 2am and it sounded okay to me at the time, but I may have just been too tired to focus lol. Thanks again for commenting!

[@donniep.6119]

My C308 has the same metal trigger housing as the PTR and it doesn’t have the welded rail on the receiver. Older version? It operates flawlessly.

[@leerethamel3204]

i just got one from a local store listed as "new" but it sounds similar to yours, no rail and metal trigger housing. Maybe it is a luck of the draw thing, like they have made some of each style?

[@donniep.6119]

@@leerethamel3204 Maybe a new old stock? I love mine and sure you will too. Good choice!

[@leerethamel3204]

@@donniep.6119 i actually have had the 223 version for a few years and kicked my self for not getting 308 back then and yeah probably just comes dowm to parts available since they all built on old parts

[@donniep.6119]

@@leerethamel3204 I have the C93 which is 5.56/.223 It is awesome as well. So little kick back.

[@leerethamel3204]

@@donniep.6119 is your trigger pack for your 308 flipped? my fire option is all the way top and down is safe

[@89thaharmaiiioptreshenanig3]

I considered both of these options but opted for the PTR91. I ordered it today and I am waiting for it to come in.

[@rightaxlebroken4835]

hope you liked it, i might be joining the G3 club soon but ill probably be getting the C308 :(

[@darktoadone5068]

I had trouble with my safety select switch coming out on my C308, by the time it started do it of course the warranty was not valid any longer. Century needs to get their stuff together, the tolerance should have been checked for this and quality assurance should have caught it.

[@TheCobradragon]

Ive got a ptr 91 sc freaking amazing for ME I barley feel the recoil my "DMR" I also have a ptr 32P 762x39 and that thing is a beast same thing with recoil non existent I will sbr it very soon these guns are reliable and accurate either way and in my opinion it will not be outdated for a long time! Great video man comment let me know what you guys have eager to know!

[@ItsJustMeMcKee]

I love this style of rifle, I had the Century 308 which was an expensive paper weight... It was junk, the PTR 91 was hands down 100% better. As far as accuracy the PTR 91 is more accurate than my HK91, however it will never have the price tag, but overall a better made gun.

[@crawlspaceboy5575]

very informative and knowledgeable. thank you for the video. i just bought a century cetme and want to find out all the information i can about it.

[@justanoobie8688]

What about the rifling? It's my understanding that the C308 uses standard 4 groove rifling but the PTR91 uses the HK polygonal rifling. Is that still the case?

[@franktaeterUSA]

Neither one of the clones use HK's proprietary polygonal rifling. When I bought my PTRs, the barrels were cut rifled and actually manufactured by Walther Arms in Germany.

[@2aEdu]

Thanks for the video. I've been waiting for a video comparing these 2 guns. I really appreciate you doing this one. I would note on both of my c308s the handguard does not have the heat shield like my PTR. Also the c308 stock doesn't have any markings on it. My PTR has a small date molded into the butt stock by the sling attachment point. I suspect maybe the c308 has USA made furniture, but I don't know for sure.

[@MarksmanTV]

Thanks for watching - I really appreciate it!

[@kimshaw9799]

Forgot to mention the price points the PTR goes for around a $1,000 I got my C308 for $500 have been able to get sub MOA with Match ammo and 1.5 to 2.0 MOA with 40 year old mil surplus 7.62 NATO! Not bad for a 500 dollar rifle. I like the PTR but 500 dollars is 500 dollars saved and put towards ammo!

[@MarksmanTV]

I agree. I also have a C308 and it has been nothing but fantastic. Excellent value for the money.

[@tyroniousyrownshoolacez2347]

Thanks for the info, been going back n forth on the c308 for months but the more I read, it's the way to go for the value. Think I'll buy one from Santa to me, for me.

[@daleshea1503]

Love my C308 and wanting to upgrade my trigger

[@greatnortoni]

I found this to be quite interesting because my PTR91 has the plastic trigger housing and grip and also sports the pic rail on the top like the C308 in your video?

[@tjbohmier46]

My PTR 91 A3S does too. I own (2) C308's as well. I bought the C308's last year, and the PTR this past January. Honestly, the C308's have the better finish. I am going to buy (2) more C308's due to the great price (2 for the price of My A3S!) No issues to date from the C308's, and these will eventually no longer be available anywhere... soon... at these prices! IMHO, a better "bang for the buck" MAY never be had again in .308 --- ijs.

[@greatnortoni]

My dealer has new PTR's available with and without the rail.

[@greatnortoni]

The fit & finish is quite good on my PTR.

[@davidgreen5099]

greatnortoni mine came with rail and metal trigger group.

[@itsmemckee2110]

greatnortoni i had the pkastic trigger housing, i went to robertrtg.com and ordered the metal one, i think it was around 80$ but its an investment in making to gun look more original.

[@ShowemRight]

On the PTR-91, is the pistol grip a changeout part,? it appears to be, also, I like the metal trigger guard the PTR-91 offers.

[@SlytigerSurvival]

The PTR has standard 5/8x24 AR-10 barrel threads now. As of the last year or two.

[@jesterbuddersworth3051]

Slytiger oh that should make replacements a peach

[@8literbeater]

True, except 5/8x24 is NATO 30 caliber threads, not AR-10 threads. The AR-10 just has NATO threads too.

[@xosanxelu]

Nothing like the original CETME, simply the best.

[@hansstrouf]

cetme clone FN Fal

[@69deputy]

Hk g3 was superior. Cetme was designed by Germans from Mauser anyways!

[@DiegoAlatristeytenorio]

@@hansstrouf no

[@miltondejesus2076]

Its funny that PTR assembles both rifles and for some reason, doesn't weld the ones for Century as nicely as they do for those they choose to sell. I wonder if that really means that century gets all receivers that don't meet quality control standards by PTR.

[@scottvaj4434]

I love em both. Both are excellent working clones of the original military designs depending on your budget. Cosmetically, the PTR91 GI doesn't look a whole lot more refined. Welds are still visible all over but being an all new parts gun, there is less "break in" period to get all the parts working in sync. The C308 is a fantastic deal for $500 as of 2019. Lack of a paddle mag release is easy to work around for quick mag changes. And if you decide to go for a steel trigger pack and housing, you're still a few hundred bucks short of a PTR91. While supplies last ;)

[@d-drizzle]

Hey a fellow Hoosier nice. im looking into getting a C308 and i enjoyed your review.

[@BeeKay308]

PTR-91 for sure! Best way to faithfully reproduce the HK-91, as the rifle is original HK tooling from Portugal. And appears to have a bit better accuracy than my original HK, which l purchased in 1984.

[@wrkalot1349]

My PTR 91 has the black navy style grip that you said/showed that came on the Century. What's up with that? Also my PTR 91 does not have the lever mag release, it just has the button. FYI, mine is California legal, that may be why?

[@jruba]

Top notch comparisons as always ..

[@CeeKayz0rz]

I saw somewhere that the C308 has a cleaning kit stuffed away in the charging tube... Does the PTR have the same?

[@emraharas]

Thank you for clearing it for us, I find it very very useful. I have asked the same question below to other PTR 91 reviewers as well and I get quite different answers. I would like to ask your opinion on this one. It will be so nice if you review PTR 91 SC as well. Company web site info of SC says 16” match grade, fluted, bull barrel which is also important for me. And rails are already installed. Do you think wide hand guard will fit it? I will use original hand guard and crimson trace less than wide hand guard. Do you think the price of SC worth it instead of buying a GI and modifying it, or do you suggest to start with another PTR? Best.

[@88smayle]

I just bought a C308 and put 120 rounds through it with only 1 misfeed hiccup but I believe it was more the surplus magazine than the rifle. Held great shot groups at 100 yards. I do want to get the PTR trigger housing. Are they interchangeable?

[@ItsJustMeMcKee]

Yes they do. I had a cetme and I went with the metal trigger housing.... Robertrtg.com has them.

[@johnski4709]

Yes but the metal trigger-grip housing is heavier. Significantly so.

[@puropaisa3294]

The only difference on this two great rifles is the color i shoot both and both are exactly the same

[@jasondismuke4837]

I'm looking at one or the other these as my shtf rifle.

[@rickybroussard5350]

Either one is good the century arms is made with a lot of PTR parts

[@strandymusic]

Nice job. Enjoyed the content rich video. Your fast talk is just fine. (Had same problem as other re music & voice balance.)

[@cbwelch4]

I see the PTR on sale on Atlantic from time to time for 800-900. For the few bills difference, you get a much better finish from PTR. The finish is gorgeous. They sand down the welds and everything is straight. Also all the parts are new and not harvested from used rifles. I’ve also seen a lot of reviews that say the accuracy on the C308 is hit or miss, not what the PTR91’s is, which in my experience is pretty good. Not sorry I went that way.

[@GeorgiaBoy1961]

It would go a long way toward strengthening their claim to be a better value than Century Arms, if PTR would do something to improve the lousy OEM/factory triggers on their rifles. This isn't the 1950s anymore; there's no reason to stick with such a sub-standard trigger design when it would be absurdly easy to improve it. They're often very accurate barrels, but you'd never know it because the factory triggers are so heavy (10-12 lbs. was the Bundeswehr spec), grainy and full of creep. For the extra $300-500 one pays to get into a PTR, you still get exactly the same lousy factory trigger as the cheapest Century clone. At least PTR ought to offer the buyer the option of swapping out the existing pack for something better, in return for slightly more money - so that the rifle would be ready to go out of the box.

[@Sandra-mi8ni]

This video and your comment gives me a good view on both rifles. I’ll go with a Ptr ( I think) , then buy a collapsible stock and a bipod and see what it can do for for me!!!! Wonder if the bolt face issue was ever addressed?

[@thegolflife7565]

Which is more accurate? I like the adjustable gas block on the c308. Too bad they only make it with the wood furniture now...

[@GeorgiaBoy1961]

@ Golf Life: Just so you know, there is no gas system to adjust on either of these rifles. They both feature roller-delayed blowback operation, so there is no gas system of any kind to malfunction, clog or foul, etc. Your typical PTR-91 will probably be more-accurate than your typical Century rifle, although both benefit greatly from a trigger job or after-market trigger pack, since the factory triggers are so lousy on these rifles.

[@martinkelting]

I used the G3 in the Bundeswehr. Pow! Ugly gun, but powerful as hell.

[@actually_a_circle]

I actually like the look

[@ourichie]

The new PTR-91’s changed to the standard 5/8x24 threads

[@stealthandy638]

both riffs are great . I would go for the pta91 thanks for ya time an sharing . atb

[@MarksmanTV]

Thanks for watching, Andy. I really appreciate it!

[@Bowhead31]

The handguard on the C308 does not include the heatshield.

[@michaeljarchibald7417]

Nice side by side comparison

[@fernandesbjp]

Hi. You forgot to mention that the PTR is made in HK original tooling, that made all the the Portuguese G3 in Portugal.

[@morazan1990]

Do they still make the c308?

[@BlazingGunner]

I have the PTR that is in the video it is the GI PTR 100 not the PTR 91

[@MMMM-sm2rm]

For the price, the C308 is the way to go. Great video.

[@rharrold]

Can a blue ammo training bolt carrier group be used as a direct swap out in either the C308 or PTR91?

[@johnsmith-sp6yl]

Late reply but yes, it just drops in and works.

[@vbtktr]

very good informative video. lots of hard work. thanks for uploading.

[@MarksmanTV]

Thanks for watching and for commenting!

[@RCwilly.3559]

Do all of the latest models come with 5 - 6 lb triggers on the PTR-91? I recently placed an order for a rifle, but I've heard many people complain they're about 12 - 14 lbs. I've also seen a video complaining about not having a paddle release, about 2 months ago. Just curious, thanks Edit: I ordered the PTR-91 FR version.

[@Zaes223]

I've never heard of a 12-14 pound trigger on a ptr-91. I would say one of the best things about the ptr-91 is the ability to go on HK parts and buy a new trigger group extremely easily.

[@brianludlow9104]

Are the Trigger group housings interchangeable between the C308 and the PTR 01 ?

[@caseybrown5183]

Brian Ludlow, yes

[@EDP1]

isn the black one the ptr-91?

[@markuscrowman4012]

can c308's use HK BCG parts?

[@thevoxofreason8468]

The sights on the C308 are almost...almost worthless. They are generally off. The welds are rough. That said, it's a solid day to day shooter. All you have to do is throw on a red dot or scope, if that's your thing, and you're good to go. Don't expect a pretty modern battle rifle. It is what it is, a reliable roller locking .308 that you won't be afraid to beat up on. As far as your vid., I can do without the music, but I love to listen to specs, history and general impressions of weapons. Speak slowly, kill the tunes and I could listen to every vid with this type of content.

[@MonkeyBoy406]

*TheVoxOfReason* the sights on mine are pretty accurate

[@bigredone1030]

The ar platform dates to the 50s bro. What you shooting that’s modern? A scar?

[@greybeard277]

That is tropical green, not olive drab green. Good video, I would go for the PTR-91 myself. Thanks.

[@MarksmanTV]

Grey Beard thanks for the feedback and for watching!

[@Toniebradley]

Great video, and great information!

[@dancinb69]

will the ptr trigger group work on a century arms c308? and will old surplus wood furniture fit a century arms c308? from a cetme?

[@uncleblazzer420]

The trigger group should work. You may have to do some slight fitting but nothing major. I didn't want to replace mine so I had my gunsmith do his magic on it and it made it much, much better. The surplus CETME furniture will definitely work. I bought a set and refinished it. It looks great on my C308

[@giterdun1864]

will the metal trigger group housing and its detachable grip swap over to the C308?

[@ColtComanche]

No.

[@leftnoname]

PTR shown retail for around 950 $. Given use of surplus parts, why would anyone buy the rifle and have to spend another 160-200 $ (trigger group, muzzle device, rubber butt pads, etc) to make it shootable.

[@MyCatFooed]

Great idea for this comparison!! Thanks for this! Domari Nolo *III*

[@mikehoncho7534]

Thank you for the vid , lots of info

[@MarksmanTV]

matthew hoover thanks for watching - I really appreciate it!

[@garythornbury9793]

about how many rounds does it take to make the charging handle easier to charge.

[@kungpaospic5318]

I've been hearing that once you get 100+ rounds through it, it should start to loosen up noticably

[@grunt1807]

I'm debating on whether to get a PTR91 or a STAG 308 AR10? PTR Pros; *History & cool factor. *Reliability & track record. *cheap & plentiful magazines. Con; *I'm left eye dominant and shoot lefty & Availability of parts/upgrades. STAG 308WIN; *Interchangeability with & Familiar AR platform! *Plentiful of upgrades/Parts & magazines. *Overwhelming Positive reviews & Ambi. Con; *Cost Over $300 more & I would upgrade trigger adding $$$ I'm leaning towards the Stag but price & cool factor keeps me looking at the PTR. If I could afford it I would get both. Also Stag just released a 6.5 Credmore version recently?

Can anyone tell me on a 2004 era Hesse CAi who made barrels for that, and what was the quality on them? of 2 carriers I have seen Why does one bolt carrier have a longer tube but thinner at the last 2" or so and an HK I believe have a shorter but actually fatter at the tip aprox a 3/4" lip at the end where contacts charging handle/cocking lever that pushes against the charging handle rather than recess in like the first one I mentioned? Can barrels be changed on a CIA Hssee without to much of an ordeal?

[@mattc1762]

Hey Chris , the C308 has a bayonet lug and ptr91 does not . Good video sir .

[@RedneckGamingChannel]

These look very much like an FN-FAL. is there no relationship between them?

[@Nightdiver20]

The G3 was developed because the Belgians refused to sell the FAL to Germany. Understandable since they'd been invaded by them twice in less than half a century.

[@danielpowell8546]

very informative! thanks for posting this!

[@lexedmonds9075]

There are so many PTR models with Picatinny rails. Why did you get one without them for the review?

[@Kevin-fj5oe]

Lex Edmonds for historical purpose maybe

[@jeangarcia6432]

If u get cetme 308 as the parts start to wear out u csn replace them with ptr now u have a cetme shell with ptr guts

[@shadowfoxcorp]

My friends have two C308's and one of those PTR's. The C308's both work, the PTR doesn't. That PTR hates all ammo we feed it, and jams quite often. It will run about 40rds then start jamming so severely I have to beat the action open on the edge of the shooting table. My friend wants to try steel case ammo next. I guess we'll see if that works.

[@nmarques7885]

That's a sad story friend. They at PTR must have made a very bad job, because the tools and designs they got from INDEP were battle proven. The FBP G3A3 M/961 was used for nearly 13 years in africa. It served as a front liner against the communists and even against smart ass CIA. They killed a lot of people, saved a lot of Portuguese life's... Million and half of Portuguese soldiers would most likely disagree with you. Have a nice day... ;)

[@shadowfoxcorp]

@@nmarques7885 All that bullshit you just spouted off doesn't change the fact that the PTR doesn't work.

[@spreaddeezhazelnutz7511]

3 7 Mine works fine even with very crappy ammo. That and PTRs don’t have missing welds on the upper receivers like how some of the Century rifles do which is pretty shitty. lol

[@akacaleb]

Did you break it in? Check the bolt gap spacing and make sure it’s in spec. Also make sure to scrub out fluted chamber so gas can float the brass out.

[@ItsJustMeMcKee]

@@shadowfoxcorp would you stand 100 yards down from it.... I doubt it so you must have some trust in it.

[@PewingTechiePlinker]

The muzzle break On the C308 can be changed out?

[@MarksmanTV]

Yes. I did so on mine. I used a PTR birdcage muzzle break, similar to the one used on the original CETME rifles.

[@PewingTechiePlinker]

MarksmanTV what did you use to loosen it? Because It looks rounded? I have the same rifle juts wasn’t to sure how to losses it.

[@turnbullac6315]

get rid of music please!

[@802outdoorsllc2]

I realize I'm late to this party, and perhaps it's already been said in the comments somewhere but it's important for each of you to know that the C308 is a joint venture between Century and PTR; think Chevy=Cadillac or Ford=Lincoln/Mercury kind of thing. You can't go wrong with either one...

[@manuelgimenez199]

El fusil superior tiene la mira trasera del CETME C, también tiene la orejeta de la sujeción de la bayoneta del mismo fusil, por lo que yo diría que es un CETME no un GR3 alemán.

[@BrokeMechanic]

Are the mags interchangeable

[@MarksmanTV]

Yes they are

[@jackdaniels7913]

PTR91 sold thanks for making it clear! 🥃 cheers 🍻

[@tortelvis1]

Are they both chambered for 308 Winchester?

[@jakeg1148]

What is the price difference?

[@robertmccutcheon4103]

why did my ptr 91 come in a crappy cardboard box ?

[@bevilsiz]

What models of the PTR do you carry?

[@MarksmanTV]

Ben Evilsizer Just the GI model

[@bevilsiz]

Do you have the GI R? What's the price?

[@MarksmanTV]

Ben Evilsizer No, just have the one in this video. Ill have to check price when back in the store. I think its at $950

[@davidmaxey656]

I know this is an old video but can someone please help me out. I'm about to buy one of these two rifles. Would it be best to spend the extra money and get the PTR? Any help would be greatly appreciated

[@charlesbowdler2499]

I own both. PTR has better finish, warranty, sights, and mag release. Still, the C308 functions flawlessly. I like them both a lot.

[@davidmaxey656]

Charles Bowdler thanks for the help. I might just have to get both of them

[@GeorgiaBoy1961]

David, if you are still interested, here are some bits of info... PTR industries, formerly JLD Industries, in the early 2000s, purchased the blueprints, tooling and fixtures from Portugal, when that nation stopped producing the G3 for its own use. PTR makes its rifles with semi-auto receivers, but otherwise they are as close as you can get to an actual G3 as possible without actually buying one from H&K. Initially, many of their rifles were manufactured using a mix of surplus and new parts, but as time has moved on, PTR makes more and more of the rifles in-house, according to their website. Century, on the other hand, keeps costs low by building their rifles from surplus parts (some of which are used parts) kits, augmented by new-production parts where necessary. The fit-and-finish on the Century firearms is not up to the standard set by PTR, but they have been improving, too. If you prefer a wood-stocked rifle, a Century might be the best bet, since PTR is not making them right now. If you prefer a CETME-style rifle as opposed to a G3-pattern, Century is your best avenue, whereas if the opposite then choose PTR. The two rifles are similar and share ~ 80% of their parts but not everything is interchangeable. Older models from both companies featured iron sights only. The Century models with the flip-style 100-400 meter rear apertures and the PTRs with the H&K rotating drum, again 100-400m. Newer versions come with a P-rail welded to the top of the receiver to allow easy mounting of optics.

[@davidmaxey656]

@@GeorgiaBoy1961 Thanks I appreciate the help

[@mikehoncho7534]

Love the Meg release paddle 15 minutes

[@benjimenfranklin7650]

you need to leave out the music it's very distracting.

[@MarksmanTV]

Thanks for watching and thanks for your feedback - I really appreciate it!

[@MarksmanTV]

Thanks for watching and I am glad you enjoy my videos. Just pokin around at trying new things. I will definitely keep the music in mind for future vids. Thanks again for the heads up!

[@dobypilgrim6160]

@@MarksmanTV Yes. Lose the music. We can get music anywhere.

[@Patrioticduder]

It's all about value. I picked up a cetme for $500 bucks new during the trump admin. I also own a PTR and an HK that my dad bought for pennies when first imported. If you can buy for the right price, buy em all. Better than money in the bank!

[@2muchgear750]

A lapel mic would bring you to a new level.