What Happened to the Crew of Voyager?

[@ahsunk6537]

It really says something about Harry's situation when I genuinely didn't know if you were kidding when you said he got sent back to the academy lol

[@ottersirotten4290]

poor Harry xD

[@Eradicator-jv9xr]

Once an ensign, forever an ensign

[@DMSProduktions]

Failure to earn promotion will do that! (That or discharge! )

[@beckydonoghue3452]

The actor who played Harry said on his podcast "the Delta Flyers" that after he left star fleet Harry opened a restaurant in San Francisco called Admiral Kim's. So he was technically promoted, but just as a title as a restaurant owner.

[@Eradicator-jv9xr]

@@beckydonoghue3452 lmao he had to compensate for his rank

[@surreyboy84]

I think the last episode of Voyager ended far too abruptly. They could’ve made a lot more out of the crew getting back to the Alpha Quadrant & being reunited with their loved ones, debriefing with Starfleet etc. Considering that was their ultimate mission for the entire series. It was almost like it was an after thought.

[@janwitts2688]

Still better than enterprise

[@surreyboy84]

@@janwitts2688 I’ve never really watched Enterprise.

[@MuhammedMuhammed-xd7qo]

Voyager was mostly a show about missed writing opportunities and squandered plots and themes.

[@mikehance6086]

Gene wanted to but a-lot of the cast was ready to move on he wanted one more episode to rap things up seeing janeway getting promoted to admiral and chakotay becoming captain and paris becoming his first officer and tuvok becoming the leader of the vulcan council

[@surreyboy84]

@@mikehance6086 Gene Roddenberry died in 1991?

[@NoBudjetFilms]

I am still mad about what happened to Icheb. That was so heartbreaking to see. Always loved his character and I wish he had been developed more. I also wish the Borg girl child had stayed onboard, to continue her friendships with Icheb and Naomi. As for Naomi, I love imaging her having to deal with sporadic Tribble outbreaks on K7. But back to Icheb, Q Junior owed him at least one favor. Could have easily kept an eye on his wellbeing and saved his life at least once. Or at the very least ease his suffering... he didn't deserve such a tortuous death.

[@newcarpathia9422]

I would love to know what the hell went on in the writing room for Star Trek: Picard. Was the only requirement for the job application "talentless, insufferable edgelord"?

[@planescaped]

Apparently the actor tweeted something a writer for the show didn't like, so they killed his character off in the most gruesome way imaginable. A decision as petulant and childish as it is shortsighted and weird. All things that can describe modern trek as a whole really... >__> I am quite happy I don't and have never watched it.

[@chasethevioletsun9996]

Oooo I like the idea of Q Junior bringing him back.

[@I.____.....__...__]

Just ignore CBS Trek like most people do. That, and Disney Star Wars.

[@desmondpeach6323]

@@planescaped it had to do with the accusations about Kevin Spacey. Manu Intiraymi apparently made comments about Anthony Rapp (I think it was on Twitter) and how he should’ve just kept quiet about Kevin Spacey’s attempted sexual assault on him. So after Manu posted that the producers decided to not ask Manu Intiramyi back to reprise his role of Icheb and cast another actor. Icheb was even removed from Star Trek Online and replaced with a Vulcan.

[@joegrimes9232]

I always imagined Chakotay retiring. Attempting to reconnect with his people and carve out a new life. I can see him being someone that still has connections to Starfleet and his renown grants him certain sway enabling him to go on an adventure or appear in one. Chakotay upon returning home realises that he doesn't really have one.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

That is how the recent Janeway Autobiography book actually had it, @joe grimes . Although Prodigy is clearly not going that route, we now know.

[@boratb258]

Chakotay was a member of a terrorist organization, him and every Mocky member may get a free pass by not going to jail but would realistically be at least on probation.

[@ancientmb23]

Same thinking. And after he re-connected with his people I assumed he'd take a teaching post at the academy, leaving room for possible romance with his former captain. I guess that only happened in the fanfics! LOL!

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

What about the Delany sisters what happened to the Delany sisters

[@kregadeth5562]

I imagine him retiring , allowing him and Janeway to pursue the romance it’s so obvious they both want.

[@leejohnstone894]

The autobiography of Kathryn Janeway hints at the celebrity status of the crew after returning from the Delta Quadrant. Harry, Tom and Chakotay has to wear fake beards, hats, sunglasses etc. Tuvok immediately return to Vulcan so he could be with his family. Seven of Nine headed up the Borg division of Starfleet where along with the Doctor she develop a implant that stopped assimilation. The Doctor's mobile emitter was successfully replicated by Starfleet engineering and install in all EMH programs allowing the EMH to leave sickbay efficiently giving a starship two Doctor's

[@spacelogic101whatif]

The Doctor's mobile emitter was successfully replicated by Starfleet engineering. But was that not future tech?

[@leejohnstone894]

@@spacelogic101whatif Yes however Starfleet engineering was able to replicate it. The mobile emitter was future tech but since the Doctor use it without any consequences Starfleet medical felt it can be used on all ships EMH's elimating the need for holoemitters being installed throughout a entire starship

[@spacelogic101whatif]

@@leejohnstone894 So why not use the anti borg weapons then?

[@leejohnstone894]

@@spacelogic101whatif they do! You have the TR-116 rifle which fires titanium projectiles and can split a drone's head open like a melon. Then you have the multi phaser rifle. Me I'll rather use the TR-116 rifle only on semi automatic...watch the drone's run away in fear. When facing the Borg Queen I'll pull out a 44 magnum and blow her head clean off and say "adapt to that bitch"

[@leejohnstone894]

@@spacelogic101whatif Riker: what do you need? Me: guns!...lots and lots of guns. Seven of Nine: nobody has done anything like this before. Me: that's why it's going to work

[@pogzie]

Unsung hero: Reginald Barclay. Period.

[@willienelsongonzalez4609]

I was gutted when the series ended, especially when we didn’t really get a chance to see how the crew adapted to being home and reintegrating into Star Fleet on Earth.

[@dragonweyr44]

Wouldn't The Doctor's mobile emitter be held in quarantine with other futuristic tech since it came from the 29th century?

[@rancidrance875]

I guess they let him keep it as removing it might violate his rights (or force Starfleet to confront what his rights are)

[@nurdyoga8228]

Legal loophole: The emitter was made in 29th century, but voyager got it in 1996 when they were taken to the past by captain Braxton. Since it's technically a historical artifact obtained from a dead CEO in the past, it's not legally from "the future" according to federation temporal law. Of course i'm bullshitting, but a lot of federation law is weird.

[@dragonweyr44]

@@nurdyoga8228 Technically it was stolen futuristic tech as was the rest of the items Henry Starling stole from Captain Braxton up to and including the timeship Aeon

[@TacComControl]

@@nurdyoga8228 Since the temporal police didn't confiscate the technology themselves, it's likely that the 29th century temporal prime directive gave a pass to it being kept and the modifications to the timeline that that would cause. I'm convinced that the current(ish) century Starfleet is in contact with the 29th century starfleet in matters of maintenance of the timeline and otherwise, and are getting orders from them in a shadowy-figure-in-the-column kind of way about what temporal slip-ups should be given a pass and which ones should be interdicted upon. See also Starfleet's willingness to not only give a pass but also a personal pat on the back to Kirk for going back in time to grab a couple whales(and giving the past the technology for sapphire glass in the process. Oh, you thought Aluminum Glass was just technobabble? Nah, it's what your phone screen might be made from, depending)

[@dragonweyr44]

@@TacComControl Are they getting genetic modifications as a reward for doing what future Starfleet says as well?

[@heartflame503]

Regarding Nelix.. in my headcanon/fanfiction. he grew his little colony into a substantial "little federation" based on federation principals. The asteroid colony became an entertainment hub with many holo suites similar but bigger than Deep Space9. A Las Vagas type economy. The other groups in Little federation included the Miners(dont remember what they are called) and several other local species, The BorgCoorporative and Ocampa and others like the TakTak and the PhotonicBeings who could interact with them via the Holosuites ! .. seems like a good story .. well in my head at least ..

[@Kehvan]

Sadly, it all seems contrived in order to bring together the dangling threads of storylines no one really intended to mesh with one another. What the Star Trek universe really needs is a Dave Filoni type person who knows the lore inside and out who can start to make sense of all the threads of Star Trek lore and outline a path for all future shows and movies.

[@portee9113]

What I loved so much about TBG, DS9, and Voyager, was that they had a big crossover in the storyline, like after the maquis were wiped out, the information was finally able to be gained by the crew on voyager it sent B'elanna into a massive depression that let the show touch upon topics like suicide without feeling forced. (Chief O'Brian had another good one in DS9 after he went to a mental prison for like 50 years) but I digress. I was always impressed in the episodes where they sent the doctor back, or when Ensign Kim got sent back by some time controlling alien entity.... all the uniforms and everything were the new style that was adopted by the federation with all grey, then your branch colors were undergarments. Voyager ppl always showed up with these bright old uniforms.

[@UnReal31337]

I love where Seven ended up at the end of Picard

[@fatalynn7]

I know this is two years old at this point but thaaaank you for putting this together. Just finished my second ever watch thru of voyager and I had not realized how bothered I was by that non-ending end to the show. I feel much better having some idea how things potentially turned out and being on the other end of the Picard series to know where they took that seven of nine arc

[@legneil]

This was one of the best series .

[@EvanCops]

Im so happy captain janeway and chakotay finally did get together

[@matthewdavies2057]

And the dog made it a 3some. 23rd Century...

[@NickTheHick]

What happened to the crew of the Equinox after being demoted to crewmen? I take it they faced a court marshal but still curious what happened to the surviving crew after returning home.

[@TheBigExclusive]

My guess is the Equinox incident was quietly swept under the rug or classified. Starfleet just got through a brutal war with the Dominion and didn't want to hurt morale any further with a public trial. The surviving crew of Equinox probably got off light. They would be allowed to quietly retire, or be assigned to some unimportant job with no authority. I'm also sure Vice Admiral Janeway made sure they never got promoted again and their Starfleet careers went nowhere.... as a punishment. But that punishment is certainly better than the alternative of a trial and death penalty.

[@TacComControl]

@@TheBigExclusive pretty much this. It will have hurt those crewmen's chance for advancement in future, but something tells me they were just ready to let bygones be bygones, under the principle of extenuating circumstance. As much as the crew of the equinox were kind of out of their minds, they were doing whatever they had to do to survive, which while it involves violating the prime directive, and basically enslaving another species, again, it's all they could do.

[@TheBigExclusive]

@@TacComControl - Very good point. Starfleet understands the Equinox were stranded alone for years without any supplies or hope. Watching 70% of the Equinox crew die in the first few months probably made the survivors go crazy and do things they wouldn't normally do. Starfleet doesn't agree with the Equinox crew's actions. But the Starfleet Admirals can't judge or condemn them. It was a matter of life and death. And Starfleet just experienced a war and did many different dark things to beat the Dominion (breaking treaties, cloaking weapons, making biological weapons, viruses, assassinations, lying, murder, using Stars themselves as weapons, and even asking god aliens for help). Starfleet knew full well what survival costs and what it takes. That's why I think the Equinox incident was buried, or even deleted from the public records. They told the Equinox crew to go home and never talk about the horror they experienced. To forget it and move on.

[@johnpotts8308]

I guess it would be put down as "All the Captain's fault" and the crew would be excused - like Riker was with Adm. Pressman's rule breaking in "The Pegasus". But the fact that they were reduced in rank by Janeway would probably make it impossible to cover up completely.

[@bonghunezhou5051]

There ought to have been at least one episode that dealt with the ex-Equinox "crewmen" before the series ended. Well, chalk it up to 1) lack of continuity; and 2) preoccupation with Seven of Nine and her storylines.

[@chrislouden6702]

My brother worked a lot on the show. He was actually given a rare plaque for working on the show. I use to go down to Paramount studio's and check out the sets.

[@FerretJohn]

Janeway was noted in Star Trek: Nemesis as becoming an Admiral Apparently Chakotay was reinstated with Starfleet and became Captain of the Protostar, more details on that are forthcoming. Seven of Nine and Icheb were covered in Picard As for the rest, I imagine Tom and B'ellana going civilian, opening their own custom shuttle business, organizing shuttle races, and Tom writing creative holo-novels Harry would finally get promoted beyond Ensign Tuvok after getting his disorder fixed would probably get promoted to a senior position in Starfleet Security The Doctors fate following the outlawing of artificial lifeforms would probably be complicated

[@deanvukovic9069]

You should watch properly video and find what happened to Tom and B'elanna, not putting your comment before that. It is saying in video what happened toe ach of them.

[@FerretJohn]

@@deanvukovic9069 Not really, while this is a good video it's still fan-made, using generally non-canon sources and the OP's own imagination. My imagination made different paths.

[@luckystarpiano]

Love that you’re a fellow JCer👏🏻❤️👏🏻

[@lamaahruloma4270]

It's awesome and beautiful touch of nostalgia, thank you very, verry, verrry much! More please! Bravo! Bravissimo!

[@SummerlinRealtor]

Excellent video! Thank you! The game play video is all from STO? Looks like I need to get back into the game!

[@biggysmith]

the story decisions in picard really bum me out, poor icheb...

[@dreamingflurry2729]

What happened to the run of the mill crewman (so basically the people who never were in Starfleet and/or didn't want to be? Were they compensated for their service? Because frankly I doubt that most of the lower ranking Maquis would want to stay in Starfleet to be bossed around by people who basically bartered away their homes to the Cardassians, who went on to devestate the Alpha Quadrant!)? Sure the officers with their cushy jobs (from Chakotay to B'Elana!) of course kept their commissions, the Maquis' objectives have after all been fulfilled during the Dominion War and they can enjoy a great job, while also being able to tell others "I was right" or "I told you that you were wrong!" constantly!

[@StephenWittMusic]

Since the Federation doesn't really have or need money anymore at this point in the timeline, I don't think they would be compensated, because no one gets compensated (or needs paid from what we understand). I'm sure that, in light of their exemplary service (and at Janeway's request) - they'd be debriefed like everyone, pardoned of any crimes they had committed and sent on to choose whatever path they wanted tho! Maybe even offered a role in Starfleet due to their experience - IF they wanted it. Which would be a big deal after being involved in the Maquis. But as always they would be free to leave Starfleet if their values still didn't align.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

The Maquis would not be obligated to stay in Starfleet a single minute after the ship returned. Besides, I somehow doubt Starfleet would allow them to retain their equivalent status in Starfleet itself (whether crewman, and definitely not as an officer). At most, they would receive some experience points IF they applied as a new recruit or academy prospect. Then again, it is highly like Starfleet would not hire any former Maquis to begin with as it would potentially undermine the integrity of what Starfleet stands for. The Maquis were and still were classified as a terrorist organization that advocated for the deaths of Starfleet personnel who stood in their way. That did not change over the course of the Dominion war. Starfleet cannot afford to take that risk. Yes, they would be celebrated after returning, get a bottle of champagne from the Federation President, but after the party is over for night, they would not be treated well, career-wise.

[@jeeshadow1]

This video might need a slight update now, lol. Also poor Vorak. Hopefully he was off celebrating First Contact day when it happened... Or else Fs in the chat.

[@andrehall23]

Loving the Star Trek Online footage!

[@Seth-b6i]

I always wanted to see more Captain Proton!

[@dracopticon7788]

Star Trek Voyager, the only real explorative series and the best of all ST series.

[@sartainja]

Great video. Thank you for preparing and posting.

[@mikecobalt7005]

Good Video :) It *Seems almost all of the crew went on to their lives as one would expect them to from the series. I will say I was hoping for a ending that had Chakotay & Janeway together but this seems good too :).

[@yahccs1]

Thanks for making up for the missing 'what happened next' that we all wished for after the sudden ending of the series. Maybe they left it because the fans can make up their own ideas of how things would continue - or with the possibility of making a movie (or a cross-over movie with more people from TNG and DS9 in it too !) I'm not sure how the story of Tom and B'Elanna's daughter fits in the timeframe you seemed to have her already grown up in 2383, but wasn't she just 5 years old at that point or have I missed something?!

[@patrickschulz2193]

no, I think you got that a bit mixed up there.

[@RattleJak]

In the last episode of Voyager, Janeway visit Chatokay’s grave, so he obviously had passed away.

[@robertagu5533]

Alot of point to their being an anti Borg fleet when they decided they had little interested in actual defenses and weapons. That could actually destroy Borg forces. Quite a few of these are kinda well known as well from the STO as well as the books. Quite a few of the crew seems finds themselves in charge of major important units an powerful vessels. Pull all the crew members that wound up Captain or higher an you got enough leadership to fully staff a good sized fleet. A powerful one too sounds like of their ships an units actually compromise such a said force

[@timmooney6910]

Thanks for all the work, it is appreciated.

[@leaaronsanchez]

Poor Harry Kim. They snailed his career. He should have had at least two promotions throughout the whole show, now he's Ensign until age 81. He should have at least been an admiral by then. Good thing human lifespan in 25 century is pass 160+ or he would of been dead before his first promotion, definitely before becoming Captain.

[@jddz238]

Thank you for this voyager needed this amazing vid

[@garethspotfur1]

if i'd been on voyager, i'd never go near that cursed hulk ever again!

[@stmpdog1906]

Absolutely great video and informative! Nice to know what happened to the Voyager crew.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

I would think Chakotay would've had to pay the price for being a Maquis member (and leader in particular). After all, there were Maquis members caught placed into Federation prisons - and those were deemed the "lucky" ones since the Dominion wiped out everyone else. I can easily see the rest of his Val Jean crew being exonerated for the commendable actions they took onboard Voyager, but knowing how evil the Federation operates with this kind of thing, someone would have to pay the price and Chakotay would easily volunteer himself. Keep in mind there would be a LOT of figures of authority around the Federation demanding blood, including those who lost family members in Maquis raids. They would not be amused that just because Voyager returned safely that the issue should be snubbed at as if nothing happened. As a compromise, probably nothing major for sentencing, like 10 years in a rehabilitation facility, which Chakotay would laugh off as being good time for him to reflect and meditate, writing books at how stupid Starfleet is. Nonetheless, may further explain the fallout Seven had with Starfleet after coming back.

[@jameslynch2399]

Picard season 2 establishes that Seven of Nine wasn't allowed to join Starfleet (even with Admiral Janeway's recommednation) because she was distrusted due to her past as a Borg drone. Which is kind of weird, considering Icheb was also a former Borg drone and he was able to join Starfleet.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

It's possible that Seven put her application in first and went through the circus of being denied. It probably got to Icheb not to even bother. Then a few years later the political climate changed and so Icheb applied then was accepted. By then, Seven had moved on to joining her vigilante group and had zero interest in Starfleet.

[@oddish4352]

The ultimate cruelty to Harry would be... A. Still an ensign when Naomi Wildman makes lieutenant. B. Still an ensign when Miral Paris makes lieutenant. C. Still an ensign when his alter ego, the first Kobali to join Starfleet, makes lieutenant. D. Still an ensign when Paris makes admiral.

[@sproge2142]

Oh got, Tom Paris as first officer... I can't imagine a worse choice, haha! He has like none of the attributes needed for the position! 🤣 Gonna have to check out how badly it goes for him!

[@patrickmccurry1563]

That kind of is the weird thing with Star Trek. Good characters must be rewarded with continual promotions no matter how ill suited they are for the actual positions.

[@deanvukovic9069]

You talking rubbish.

[@seimen4348]

I dont know, i saw paris always as some kind of test pilot for new vessels or something like that. I mean, he designed and build the delta flyer and he is one of the best pilots. Would have fit perfectly.

[@safiremorningstar]

I always thought that Naomi and Icheb having a thing together which led to Naomi having a child at least in the continuity of where the admiral who comes to save the Day so I wonder if because she's been raised by a single mom if she herself had no problems with letting Icheb have to do what he needs to do and she did what she needed to do, including raising her daughter alone.

[@aethertech]

I know that ST: Picard literally can't have existed in the Prime ST time line, for one very good reason. Because Q Jr would have absolutely not have allowed that horrible shit happen to Q Jr's, actual friend, Icheb.

[@ffnbbq]

Manu should have thought of that before telling stories about how Jeri Ryan gave him boners on set, or trying to get into Kevin Spacey's good books by repeatedly attacking Anthony Rapp.

[@mitsuichie]

So many Stratrek fan in Japan must be interested in this video.... I want to make a translation version...

[@keithscott1926]

I always felt like the armor was designed to be used once and then you couldn’t use it a second time.

[@needparalegal]

Janeway should have been prosecuted for genocide and/or warcrimes. She aided the Borg in destroying civilizations. She exterminated the Vaaduar. I think there were a few more war crimes, but I would have to rewatch the series.

[@bluehydro88]

I'd love to see what starfleet felt about what happened to Tuvix.....

[@zooropa04]

Let us all ship JaneTay (or ChakoWay...?)

[@super_ficial]

"I have sworn eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man". From the bridge plaque of the USS Yamato NCC-71807. UFP

[@alejandronopasanada5302]

Dang Chikotay….straight garden tool out here. Pogostickin across the galaxy.

[@mittensfastpaw]

Man the history of Voyager was so fun until Kurtzman came along. Only Lower Decks is good and it is due to so little of his involvement. STD and Picard can go rot.

[@wallacewallaby5782]

Lower Decks is rubbish imo.

[@adamofgrayskull7735]

Picard and disco trek are not cannon .and we all know it

[@patrickmccurry1563]

I want to agree, because they both so badly violate the fundamental premise of the original series. But no Star Trek series ever gave one sh*t about internal consistency and continuity.

[@TheFiown]

In Picard, Seven said that she couldn't get into the Federation despite Janeway putting her career on the line to help her. This because she was still considered Borg.

[@JGruber]

"Most of the crew were offered promotions" .... Except Harry Kim who would remain an ensign for the rest of his life...

[@davidrose8336]

Paris piloted an Ajax? Why am I not surprised? In STO I adored my little Flippy Boy. Not one of my top tier ships, but a tough little ship ("Little?" -Worf) that I used to hit and harass enemy ships in support of the bigger vessels and boy did I love doing the flips. Such a fun vessel and frankly absurd in the context of Star Trek. That scene with Icheb was shocking and made me mad. I get it, story need punch for Nine's character arc and killing off a reoccurring character violently is one way to do that, but damn why you gotta do my boy like that. I used to have a bit of a crush on the actor back in the day too, so that didn't help lol.

[@James-hs3tu]

Harry kim was still an Engsin at 81. ?? In another video IT said Janeway makes Vice Admiral. And still didn't promote him.

[@prashank]

he retired as a cadet

[@johnhenrey8964]

I invented Star Trek Voyager, Enterprise and the 3 latest movies, Generations, First Contact. Also, the MMO and PC games.

[@carlosrvra]

What about Kes? She helped resurrect Janeway, apparently, so there must be some post-show content on her.

[@safiremorningstar]

If one follows the one where we saw the old admiral Janeway who goes back in time to save the day as it were and we look at the party that was thrown we would see that Naomi wildman has a daughter of her own and it doesn't say who the father is but several times it kind of implies that she and Egypt may have had a thing and that would make some sense because her mother raised her as a single parent she might not have felt that she needed a father in the picture and that would make at least a lot more sense than what we see in that section of the episode... It will also mean that you know Egypt looks like he's in his mid 30s when he was tortured and died in seven of nines arms so it kind of implies that maybe he had a life before that happened and like I said that would explain a lot. What is the time putting down Egypt instead of Icheb don’t get the name printed my hands don’t work, it’s why I use voice to text…. Voice to text sucks.

[@Nikioko]

The Voyager dropped Neelix as an ambassador in the Delta Quadrant. I am pretty sure that with the knowledge they brought home, technology made a quantum leap, and with the slipstream drive, they would see Neelix again very soon, in a matter of months rather than decades. And of course, the slipstream technology made the warp technology obsolete, so no more damage was done to the spacetime continuum, and FTL restrictions could be lifted.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

I rather see Neelix head back in the direction he started from, to somehow get what is left of his people connected back together. No reason he would be going to Earth when his home is the other way...

[@Cole_McGill]

"Made warp technology obselete" Did you forget that they developed warp 10 and could 'safely' use a shuttle to effectively teleport anywhere in the universe. Sure it had negative side effects, but the doctor developed a way to counteract those effects, essentially providing a way for warp 10 to be achieved without negative side effects.(Voyager couldn't reach warp 10 because of hull integrity, but I assume the ablative hull generator may have fixed) And since Voyager also had a mine capable of destroying a planet(the one that seven proposed be used to spread nanoprobes throughout fluidic space, to harm species 8472). It would make sense that Starfleet would want to develop a warp 10 shuttle with the capability of destroying a planet. SF is lucky that the crew of Voyager wanted to return home on good terms. And that they weren't assimilated. If Voyager had been assimilated in endgame, that would have been the end of the entire franchise. They would have assimilated the mobile emmiter and been able to do everything that Seven's "son" was capable of(personal forcefield, transporting one's self around without using a ship to do so, and all the adaptations to the ship we saw that episode). The borg would have been able to pop up anywhere/everywhere and assimilate everyone. And anything they can't assimilate, they can destroy with planet busting explosives. But borg and future tech aside, Voyager was capable of manufacturing shuttle capable of warp 10 and had developed methods of sustaining a somewhat small crew on long term missions(in unexplored space). Starfleet essentially got a masterclass on how to create the perfect warvessel. Anything in the tineline after Voyager should be about how Starfleet quickly spread throughout all quadrants and ended each war(that they may have ending up in) within a year, by completely annihilating entire planets.

[@DoomFan2010]

The novels are prime time future, Kurtzmantrek is part of the Abrams verse established in 2009 therefore it is not main canon. I will not change my mind.

[@wwhite-hz4zv]

Good video, except references to the JarJar/ Kurtzman timelines.

[@jdw5678]

I've hoped that Chakotay would still somehow find Tessa, despite the change in timeline.

[@jjl207]

Ric, how do you feel about the Coda book series? I won't give away spoilers, but I'd love to hear your opinion.

[@plugsocket9432]

Coda is complete and utter nonsense which destroyed nearly 20 years of novels! Thanks to stupid Kurtzman!

[@jjl207]

@@plugsocket9432 I thought it was spiteful.

[@alisonsmith4436]

Thank you 😊

[@UltimatePerfection]

5:27 You know that Tom had his fair shares of issues that ended up with his demotion. So maybe he had a higher rank after the return, but then he did something that resulted in demotion back to the lieutenant position.

[@mouthofspaghetti7817]

I hope he got kicked out of Starfleet and ended up working at Quarks bar giving tug jobs just to barley survive... horrible character.

[@alexandermacdougall7873]

i always wondered what happened to them . especially the ones who were part of the Maquis before getting lost. Surely they would like to have had some talk with them, seeing as how they were wanted terrorists at one time. Yes, they redeemed themselves, but i doubt Star Fleet would have just said "oh, never mind about that, we forgive you"

[@jpasby779]

Have any of you seen Star Trek Renegades? Tuvoc is seen in that movie.

[@keithbouchard2007]

high time you updated this video because of star trek picard season 3

[@setokaiba6758]

If you take Elite Force II as canon, then Tuvok was on Enterprise-E under Picard briefly.

[@briang9581]

What about the Delaney sisters and Tal Celes ("Good Shepherd")? Asking for a friend.

[@maniacusgames3621]

and yet the captain's shuttle still has never been launched from the saucer section.. what a shame.

[@jBKht931]

I seem to remember Jane Whay and Chocoata had kids they left on a planet when they were lizards

[@tumbles8350]

you disappointed me saying kim was promoted eventually, I was perfectly happy with him being an ensign at 80

[@seawind930]

Kim became an Admiral but was Demoted back to Ensign a week later.

[@K-Effect]

Did Tom Paris ever get recognized as the first to go past warp 10?

[@StokieDave]

Needed a bit more Borg in there but a great series.

[@baronvg]

Still shaking my head regarding Lt Joe Carey. That dude was done wrong. I still think about it 20 years later Lol

[@Big_Black_Dick]

the novels are definitely my main source of trek lore,, it's sad 😔 that this lore is being "overwritten" as u put it by new shows or watever,,, but the reality is most real trekkies will never consider these new shows as anything more that weird studio fan fiction lol

[@patrickmccurry1563]

Star Trek has never cared for continuity. Virtually no single TV show does, let alone multiple series spanning generations and media.

[@ChairmanMo]

Same here, the Novels are the real canon but that has come to an end.

[@Big_Black_Dick]

@@ChairmanMolol yeah unfortunately 😞

[@Big_Black_Dick]

@@patrickmccurry1563 🤔 i don't know, to me it seems they always tried to maintain a decent level of continuity, but nowadays they're purposely destroying all established continuity which was painstakingly stitched together over multiple decades

[@snowts]

I did not expect Harry to get busted down to cadet after all those years, what a twist =D

[@lectornox]

I didn't know it would make me that happy hearing that Harry got promoted but it did!

[@moffant4916]

Isn't Harry from another dimension so they can't hold him responsible can they?

[@maxrander0101]

@@moffant4916 they can as he was listed as the harry kim on the crew after he crossed over so as such he is harry kim as far as starfleet cares

[@Ian_sothejokeworks]

Who'd have expected he filled out his Starfleet entrance forms incorrectly? This is that happens when SSNs are expanded to 50 digits!

[@slibertas1996]

He should be Lt. Cmndr

[@singletona082]

I'm still flummoxed on how Seven and Chakotey ended up an item. Respected coleagues fine? Friends? Sure. However there was never any chemistry there and he seemed more like a natural pair with Janeway while Seven and The Doctor seemed to continually hit it off. Maybe not romantically but. That pair just leaves me scratching my head on what they were on.

[@railroad5024]

I'm with you on this one! It was a stupid decision from the writers and I've heard other ST KZbin accounts claim that it was also a result of a bet between Brannon Braga and Beltran that he wouldn't let anyone kiss his girlfriend, who was Jeri Ryan at the time. So Braga put their characters together to win the bet. 🙄 Don't know if that's true, but it definitely makes that decision even dumber if it is.

[@jprice6419]

What were their other choices on the Ship?...Love the one your with and it might even stick

[@railroad5024]

@@jprice6419 Chakotay literally could have picked AAAAAAANY other available woman on that ship to date. Given that fact that she was assimilated around age 5, and spent so long in the collective, her human socio-emotional growth was severely stunted. Just look at the way she lightweight threw tantrums and pushed people out of her way like a bad-mannered child would in her early episodes as evidence. Even though biologically she was an adult and intellectually was a genius, developmentally she was a teenager at best by the end of Voyager's journey. So also, there's the super gross angle that Chakotay who was middle-aged by the end of Voyager was dating a very inexperienced woman with the maturity level of a teenager. He should have known better. But alas, I blame the writers' lack of sense for this idiocy. Chakotay’s not a mid-life crisis, he was just written that way.

[@duffman18]

@@railroad5024 yep that's a good point. It's basically statutory r*pe. The reason that doing that to kids is highly illegal isn't because of their height/size or anything like that. It's because they are mentally underdeveloped, and so they don't understand the consequences, and can be easily manipulated by adults into doing things they don't really know what to do, and so they can't legally consent, even if they think they actually want it to happen, they don't know, because they're confused and easily tricked. That's why it can still be statutory r*pe even if the person is an adult physically, if they're severely mentally disabled and so have the mind of a child. 7 of 9 never really left childhood. She barely knows how to have a conversation with an adult, let alone have sex with them. And it just gets even more creepy when you see things like her and Naomi Wildman being best friends. That was put in the show to show everyone how old 7 of 9 was, development wise. We were meant to see her as really basically the same as Naomi. Both are incredibly smart. But they're still young children.

[@railroad5024]

@@duffman18 yeeeeaahhh I wouldn't go as far as to label it statutory r-pe. In my mind, Seven had the maturity of a teen like 17-19 years old by the end of the show. So not quite as socio-emotionally underdeveloped to not know what she was doing and be unable to consent, but enough to make it highly inappropriate for Chakotay to entertain her romantic advances anywhere past her "social experiment". I like to think of Chakotay as a character with lots of integrity, so I would hope he wouldn't manipulate her into doing things she wasn't ready for. But at his age, he'd probably be wanting more from relationships than people who are just beginning to experience dating aren't ready for yet. At least that how he tends to get written in post-Endgame "fixer-upper" fan fiction lol. I think there was plenty of other young ensigns/lieutenants/crew on that ship writers could have had him pursue since Janeway kept herself off limits. Jor, Marla (from equinox crew, and bonus points she blonde lol), Henley, or Nicolletti for example. All probably quite younger than him, but likely experienced enough that they wouldn't be so vastly unmatched maturity wise. Plus in my head I'm holding onto the books that say they broke up like a couple weeks after Voyager returned and refuse to think that Chakotay and Seven were together long enough for her to get to the point of requesting to "experiment" in that activity 🤮. Anybody who says otherwise is **puts hands over ears** 🎶 LA LA-LA LA-LAAAAA I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUUU!🎶 lol 😆

[@violetlight1548]

Even if it was a joke, I'm taking Harry Kim remaining an Ensign until he's 81 years old as canon :P I would love to see him show up on Lower Decks, still as Admiral Janeway's "assistant", and still an ensign. Mariner: Forever-Ensign Harry Kim! My Hero! Kim: ... thanks.

[@js3599]

Yeah, and bring in Naomi Wildman as his "supervisor"

[@matthewdavies2057]

I'm waiting to hear he fell in love with an asteroid. Antimatter of course

[@markfergerson2145]

Well, he's from an alternate universe, so pretty much any weird idea Starfleet comes up with is believable.

[@Astronopolis]

Like Smithers to Janeways Burns

[@topogigio7031]

That'd work. Technically he's an Ensign... but he's also the right hand of the greatest Admiral in the entire fleet.

[@planescaped]

I always liked how Elite Force 2 had Tuvok eventually succeed Worf/Tasha's role on the Enterprise Probably gave Picard some serious Starship Mine Deja Vu. :P

[@paddy7812]

There was an “Elite Force 2”?? On what format? PC, PS2? “Elite Force” was one of my favorite games!!! How did I miss the sequel??? 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@desmondpeach6323]

@@paddy7812 My brother had it for PC and played about half of it.

[@duffman18]

"I thought I'd killed you with a horse saddle?" "No, that was my previous model, 1-Vok. I am 2-Vok, and 3-Vok is on the way too"

[@impishrebel5969]

I'm 100% convinced this was Tuvok being undercover as a human.

[@paddy7812]

@@impishrebel5969 🤣 Tuvok is one of my favorite characters! Rather logically sarcastic!! When 7 caught Be’lannas wedding bouquet and asked “what is the significance of this”? His deadpan “You may not wish to know” was awesome!!

[@darkage5]

I never understood how Harry was an ensign the entire run of the show. However, Tom was a lieutenant. Busted down to ensign again and then got lieutenant back before the end of the show. Also what happened to the remaining crew of the Equinox that had been absorbed into Voyagers crew? They had been busted down to crewmen. I wonder if they had been pardoned due to the circumstances they had to survive in?

[@Driver0378]

For Harry, unless Tom or one of the other senior staff had been killed off, there was no room for advancement. Tom had re-gained Janeway's trust and proved he wouldn't fuck up again. As for the Equinox crew, I've wondered that myself. I actually hated the way they ended the show. It was like, ok, what now guys??? Many times I've thought of different scenarios of what they did and how fast they must have been promoted. Harry being the first! It was awesome seeing Seven again on Picard though. I hope they have some stories from her and the crew. Also hated the way Icheb went out. Didn't deserve that. :(

[@jeffzehnpfennig1554]

Janeway was worried about back pay if they promoted harry as for tom he technically wasn't a crew member so back pay wouldn't of been an issue when they made it back it's all about the gold press latinum

[@leomarshall4059]

IIRC, the producers refused to promote the character because they didn't like the actor.

[@karl810]

@@Driver0378 I hope they fix that with the time travel this season, It will still be part of Sevens character as a mother figure, but we get Manu back ❤

[@anidiot2284]

@@leomarshall4059 now that is petty

[@ryanconrad2786]

'Seven of Nine's relationship with Chakotay doesn't work out...' Which most fans are fine with as it was once voted the WORST on screen relationship on TV at the time.

[@Nitique05]

I like that her first real relationship (after unimatrix zero-one dude) was with Chakotay. The "first" you usually don't forget that easily. It was a way to further her humanity and to open up romantically with someone. I guess I'm in the minority with those two.

[@Mutiny960]

@@Nitique05 Very human to make horrible mistakes in dating after all :)

[@Lucas-iw5xo]

She got more chemistry with Harry and Axum than in any scene with Chakotay.

[@CatsClaw44]

And we really care about a poll about WORST TV relationships. 🙄

[@Dan19870]

If memory serves, Seven of Nine was supposed to make a cameo appearance in Star Trek Nemesis as Admiral Janeway's adjutant. If accurate it would suggest that Seven received a Starfleet officers commission. In Alpha canon it is stated that once Voyager returned to the Alpha Quadrant it was converted into a Museum to exhibit the discoveries the crew made in on their journey home. If this is the case it's likely that the crew went on to serve on another vessel, perhaps a new Intrepid class straight out of Utopia Planitia christened USS Voyager NCC-74656-A.

[@PatriciaLLogan]

The reason for the change of Seven appearing on ST: Nemesis had to do with Jeri Ryan's schedule. She was on another show on ABC at the time, and she was not able to schedule around it. So they changed it to Admiral Janeway making an appearance.

[@Mutiny960]

@@PatriciaLLogan I actually like the story better with Janeway. She really played the cool badass aunt who's seen everything, is not taking your BS and doesn't give a F if you tell your parents she slapped you across the face for talking back to her. Then the very next week smokes a joint with you LOL.

[@MagnanimousEntropy]

I wish we would have had a Riker series after Voyager. It would have been the perfect vehicle to tie up all the loose threads from TNG, DS9 and Voyager.

[@scottishjedi1522]

The problem with that was by 2001 franchise fatigue had settled in with Star Trek. The 90’s was arguably the golden era for the franchise but coming into the 2000’s it wasn’t as hot. After Nemesis bombed in ‘02 they decided to move away from the TNG era and do a full reset with Enterprise. A Riker series just wouldn’t have been seen as a good idea. The TNG crew had just bombed at the box office, and there’s no guarantee Johnathan Frakes would’ve been willing to commit to another series, especially one without his co-stars. That’s why they went for a soft reboot with Enterprise instead, but that failed and Star Trek as a franchise went silent until JJ Trek.

[@Aahmpower]

​@@scottishjedi1522To be fair giving the Franchise some years to rest was a good idea, even if what we got wasn't to everyone's liking (and yet, SNW and PIC S3 seem to be doing good, as well as LD and Prodigy) Though for the next series I would like to have another hero ship (not like completely erasing the enterprise name, just give us some new names)

[@ckmbyrnes]

This gave me a warm fuzzy learning that most of the crew, especially the ones from the first three seasons, had good outcomes after the ship arrived back on Earth. Thanks for doing the research and letting us know what you found.

[@RageousMode]

Vorik's fate is all I cared about, just as Morn's in DS9

[@nuru666]

Morn lived forever and ever and nobody can ever tell me different.

[@andreworiez8920]

@@nuru666 and JEEZ did he tell everyone about it!!!!! Gab Gab Gab the guy NEVER shut up!!!!!

[@nuru666]

@@andreworiez8920 lol you couldn't stop the guy once he started

[@oddish4352]

Ayala was Voyager's Morn... always there, never seen talking.

[@chrisbingley]

I'll be honest, I'd watch a Voyager spin-off with Chakotay as skipper.

[@lilkris3008]

@Marcus Jones actually it’s cannon lol he’s the former captain f the protostar somehow the greatest ship ever built no one has heard of

[@Andreas-gh6is]

I'd watch anything that comes out as Star Trek...

[@terryforsdyke306]

@Marcus Jones Not as farfetched as you may think, The charactor of Kira Neryes was a terrorist (as in she committed acts of terror rather than just being lablet a terrorist), and commanded the USS Defiant and DS9, she was comissioned by Starfleet as a Commander towards the end of DS9. In real life Most of the USAs founding fathers could be considered terrorists, Nelson Mandella who served as president of South Africa had before that spent decades in prison as a terrorist bomb maker. Captain Sir Thomas Cochran, member of Parlement was kicked out of the Royal Navy and stripped of his knighthood after being convicted of stock exchange fraud, although he was allowed to continue as an MP (the conviction was later overturned), left the UK for Chile, where he helpedform that nations navy and liberate Chile and several other South American countries (the Spanish certainly would have considerred him a terrorist or the 19th centuary equivelent thereof) then he was welcomed back into the Royal Navy as an Admiral (being promoted upon his return)

[@hat8918]

@Marcus Jones In lore, the maquis were citizens that lived on worlds that the Federation ceded to the Cardassians to keep them from starting a war with the Federation. The maquis, as a result, defended themselves from Cardassia. Chakotay, a Starfleet officer, resigned his commission after Cardassia killed his entire family on one of these worlds and Starfleet refused to do anything because they didn't want to start a war. When Chakotay resigned, he joined the Maquis to defend his home. There was a lot of support for the maquis among some starfleet officers, and they assisted them with weapons secretly. Regardless, 3-4 years later, the Federation was at full-scale war with Cardassia. I don't think, in this context, it would be that difficult, given Chakotay's leadership aboard Voyager, to forgive him for defending his home against an enemy that ultimately declared war on the federation anyways.

[@PR--un4ub]

@Marcus Jones It's called "amnesty".

[@ticketyboo2456]

I wanted Icheb and Naomi to become a couple like they were in Shattered. Both were great characters on the show to be fair.

[@JohnDoe-zr8pc]

Funny part is that Tom Paris was originally supposed to be Nick Lacarno from the TNG episode “The first duty”, that’s why they had the same actor playing him. After finding out that they’d have to pay the original creator of the Lacarno character every time is first or last name was used, they decided to make him an original character. The actor (Robert Duncan McNeill) even said he knew about it, and was upset they changed the character. He said he tried to talk them into a reveal at the very end that he had been Lacarno all along, and his fake name/story was just a cover so the people on the ship wouldn’t blackball him for being responsible for the death of a cadet and cover up, but they denied his request.

[@johnnymarrco770]

Damn!

[@dominik7283]

I always thought he was that guy anyway. I mean he was obiously the same actor, came out of prison he was in because of an accident and all that and who really remembers the name given to a character staring in one episode.

[@spark300c]

that crazy that had to pay to use something that was theirs anyway. Its not like fan fiction character but it shame though.

[@Mutiny960]

@@spark300c That was just pure greed. They'd have to pay him Royalties. Literal pennies on the dollar that they made from each Voyager show since the character is only a small part of it. I get the same thing from part of a song I helped write 5 years ago that got sampled into another song that became a small-hit. I get like 0.5% of its earnings every 6 months.

[@oddish4352]

It would have been funny if, in "Non Sequitur", where Tom was drinking himself to death in Sandrine's... if fellow loser Nick Lacarno had been drinking alongside him.

[@robertflegal1735]

Wonderful information. It was about time getting to see what happened to them after all the problems they had leaving the delta quandrant!!!

[@Peregrine57]

We're assuming that Prodigy is set in 2383, because that's what promo material lead us to assume last year. But the actual year hasn't been given in the show yet, unless I missed it. (And I haven't seen last night's episode yet). But that 17 year number is suspect, so either you're right, and there's time travel involved, or the writers are not beholden to promo material info, and have chosen to go in another direction.

[@CertifiablyIngame]

I'm doing a recap this Sunday about the my current Prodigy theories and, yeah, this is top of my list. It would also explain the sheer amount of alpha quadrant proliferation.

[@lovehawks2814]

I think the important question to ask is... what about crewman Chel? It's all fun and games until we forget about the Bolians.

[@robertmanning9902]

he's still cleaning stuff

[@raitchison]

He retired with his brother Mott, they work as consultants on Romulan (Mott) and Delta Quadrant (Chel) affairs for private hire.

[@jasoncallow860]

You shouldn't get all blue about it

[@keithtorgersen9664]

It seems very regrettable that Lt. Carey survived all the way up until the 7th season, only to be killed a few episodes before Voyager made it home. =(

[@CatsClaw44]

It seemed like a pretty senseless move by the writers.

[@BNuts]

I liked Seven being an ambassador and unofficial leader in the Borg Cooperative in _STO_ . Of course, canon has no such thing as self-liberated Borg. A shame, I like to see how things that were established previously could have potentially gone on. I feel similarly about the Romulan Republic as opposed to the Romulan Free State (of which we know nothing except for the name and symbol). I hope CBS has the sense to leave Kuumarke and her people out of canon, as they are the last truly _TNG_ - feeling characters in the franchise. That the Lukari are original to _STO_ only adds to that, in my opinion.

[@duffman18]

It doesn't? Sure it does. That was what Hugh and Lore and his bros were, weren't they? Self-liberated borg. Hugh got liberated originally by the enterprise crew, but he spread it to the rest of his borg mates himself, and so they left the collective, somehow, before running into Lore and deciding to follow him, because they were in desperate need of a leader and a direction to go down in life, and Lore was a narcissist little prick and so he'd never turn down the chance to rule over people, especially with the borg being his private army meaning he was one of the most powerful leaders in the galaxy because nothing has the strength and durability of a borg, not even Klingons or Jem Hadar. Well except for Lore and Data and B4 of course, but that wouldn't make an army, even if all 3 of then worked together My theory in how they actually managed to leave the Borg without being destroyed by them has always been that the borg _LET_ them go. Like cutting out a tumour to save a patient. If someone has breast cancer, you end up having to remove the whole breast, to be safe, so it doesn't spread any further. The borg could see that what was essentially a computer virus was spreading through their ranks, so that more and more borg would become individuals if they didn't stop it. Even though enterprise had decided against using the virus they specifically designed to do this to the borg to destroy them for the sake of Hugh being an individual sentient being, his individuality had somehow remained anyway and achieved the same thing, helping tons of borg liberate themselves. And since this individuality virus could spread through air/space via the borg Wi-Fi connection, they didn't even want to get within lightyears of Hugh's ship because the individuality virus would spread to any borg ship that got near them, and then the borg would have to send another ship to destroy that one and so on. Letting a few hundred borg go so that the disease wouldn't spread anymore, would be the most logical option. I haven't seen all of Picard yet so I don't know if they ever talk about this (cos I know Hugh is actually in it and is mates with Picard still). That'd be cool if they did. Cos a new war against the borg a century after the dominion war would be a cool idea for a show. The borg more powerful than ever, adapted to resist the ways in which people like Picard and janeway came up with to destroy the borg (like they're weak to physical bullets in First Contact, so start making huge physical torpedoes again or something for attacking borg cubes, instead of phasers and photon torpedoes which can easily be blocked by shields because they're not really physical). It could be a pure war show, like Band of Brothers but in space. Could be a miniseries too. And you could make it M-Rated like band of brothers was, to show the reality of what war is like

[@chibigirl8545]

There was an episode I remember from when I was still a kid, where 7/9 was connecting with free Borg in her dreams and the queen had to go there. I was sent to bed before I found out how it ended.

[@artembentsionov]

@@chibigirl8545 they weren’t free. They went to Unimatrix Zero when they regenerated and forgot about it after waking up. Eventually, Janeway helps to free those drones who were in Unimatrix Zero. Some of them manage to take over a ship or two

[@BNuts]

@@duffman18 They were still more renegades than an established free faction of their own, that can last awhile. I see the Cooperative as a sort of extension of the consequences of both Hugh and those _Voyager_ freed from Unimatrix Zero.

[@peterlinfield]

Great video! I'd love to see one for the DS9 crew as I've never read any of the novels. I know that Picard canon tells us what happened to Seven of Nine, but I'm more a pick and choose what you like guy when it comes to canon so I'm ignoring that entire show for many reasons. 😁

[@AccAkut1987]

There's always Memory Beta to read up on what happens to the characters in the books.

[@Maya-bu2rf]

Too dark for me, and Picard is really dead?

[@GoodVideos4]

There should have been at least another Voyager episode, mostly showing them adjusting to being back home.

[@scotttild]

Trek series never have a good ending, they just end.

[@Goodiesfanful]

At least we're getting follow-ups on the Voyager crew with the new ST series, such as Picard and Intrepid. It's good to see one Intrepid episode doing the long-awaited follow-up on the Equinox crew.

[@nathangriffith6767]

A movie to cap off Voyager would have been good. Set 5-10 years after they return, some issue where they needed to return to the Delta quadrant. Janeway calls on the old crew that she trusts. Area they were the only ones familiar with.

[@leonwoodley99]

@@Skipper-nq4gdwho said this?

[@LillianSteele-u9v]

A wonderful idea.