CES' Gary Shapiro: Tech Wrecks & Future Salvation - AAH 723

[@erktrek]

Disappointing that someone who represents CES is that clueless about EVs. There are actually 8 chargers on the McNamara deck according to the airport website (and 8 at the Big Blue). I usually get a rideservice to the airport vs dropping my car off and paying for parking ($32 per day at McNamara) - but why would you even need to plug in? You could always top off on your way home if you really had to but I'm skeptical. Given the daily average miles driven EVs should be the primary vehicle and arguably the only vehicle if you want to save money.

[@kitgerhart8749]

Without home charging, EVs don't work well, and I have no home charging at my Florida condo.

[@tesla_tap]

@@kitgerhart8749 - I suspect there is a Tesla Supercharger location nearby. Charge up once a week or so as needed. Not quite as cheap as charging at home, but still competitive with toxic gasoline. I have a 32 stall Supercharger at my grocery store 3 miles away. Easy to charge while I go in for food. Gain 200 miles in less than 30 minutes - but unlike a gas station, I don't have to wait with the car. So I spend less wasted time "fueling" my EV than my prior ICE car.

[@erktrek]

@@kitgerhart8749 That is a common worry and yet folks aren't concerned about going to their local gas station to get gas every once in a while. Sure charging might take a little longer - like 10-15 mins more and maybe a bit more frequently depending upon the EV, your daily driving and whether or not you can charge at work. A few simple tweaks to your lifestyle can save you a bunch of money and hassle over time. It's quite liberating actually...

[@bobwallace9753]

If there is a need for more rapid chargers, Tesla can install them very quickly.

[@markdc1145]

Wow, this Shaprio guy really is out of touch! He needs to get out of Detroit and travel around more. He is in for a surprise!

[@tenzinpassang4812]

he said Detriot is doing great generative AI. He also thinks Detriot can solve autonomy but they can't even do OTA updates. 😂😂😂 And, why is he saying we missed the autonomy while Europe and China is advancing, does he know Tesla is the most American auto company. Has he been keeping up with v13 notes? 😂😂😂😂

[@bobwallace9753]

@@tenzinpassang4812 No company other than Tesla has the data needed to us AI to create FSD. Tesla has been collecting data for over a decade and has millions of cars collecting more data daily,.

[@cdellbrumley]

I like John , but for the most part, the guests are unbearable. They are far from experts, more like biased activists or paid shills.

[@onenickthomas]

yeah, it's getting pretty miserable as of late.

[@coutcon]

Gary in my opinion is totally wrong in saying that GM is a Great company with Great leadership. Marty has made so many bad investments like Nikola, like Lordstown Motors, just to name a few. Gary needs to look at the whole picture and the overall direction of GM. It is sad to see that such a Giant in the automotive industry is being run'ed into the ground and becoming insignicant in the Industry.

[@Mark-M72]

its sad the industry experts are so out of touch with EVs

[@tesla_tap]

EV's for short distances? EVs only as second/third car? So out of touch. I and quite a few friends have a single car - an EV. We make long trips all the time. Zero problems going to the airport 40 miles away and leaving the car uncharged for a couple of weeks. Now we do have Tesla's that have great range and great charging systems. There are others with good range too, but not all. Seems like they are thinking of the 2010 Leaf with < 100 miles of range.

[@gritnltw]

Because EV bubble is bursting. Hybrid WAS and until now IS the only reasonable solution financially, technically and in terms of infrastructure.

[@erktrek]

@@gritnltw Yep, that's the current and somewhat desperate narrative being pushed by legacy auto. Doesn't make it true though.

[@Mark-M72]

@gritnltw 🤣😂😅. 🐂💩

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@gritnltw ".... until now ... " Hybrids are the worst of both worlds. But oil companies and dealers love them.

[@billh2294]

Didn't mention the 70k to 100k Americans who die from air pollution each year.

[@bobwallace9753]

And the hundreds of billions of dollars spent annually dealing with fossil fuel pollution,

[@coutcon]

Gary is going to have to update his source of information. Wow he is so far behind the times. PHEV are not going to be around for very long, so all that technology and investment in that technology will be all for not. In my opinion; John is very knowledgeable but does need to elevate his standards for his guest.

[@experimental_av]

Tu Le is the only one worth listening to.

[@jonhroarulstad5775]

Wow, Elon Musk, Steve Jobs and Donald Trump are the same?

[@kevtheobald]

Hydrogen is the blackhole of R&D money. It is sad watching ta payer dollats in many nations evaporated by the hydrogen promises that never happen. If we just had hald the money spent in the last five years on hydrogen for power grid upgrades and charging stations, range anxieties would be gone.

[@RCdiy]

When are you guys going to stop inviting your friends onto this show and start inviting people who know what they are talking about. INDUSTRY VETERANS ARE THE PROBLEM.

[@Mark-M72]

Dinosaurs 😂

[@RWilliKiwi]

So true, and they are all so sure

[@cadude145]

More energy hits the earth from sunsine in one hour than the earth uses in a year. Obviously your guest has no knowledge of the power of renewables, including Sun, wind and waves, and ocean currents. Yet he is managing CES?

[@QuincyHolloway-eb5yy]

Why do people mention range anxiety and issues with ev's when Tesla has proven that the tech is viable? When was the last time you saw an EV stranded on the side of the road? Do some looking.

[@kitgerhart8749]

Today, on I-95 between Daytona and Jacksonville.

[@DericO-rz3be]

I've had the Model 3 and Model Y for 3 years. The available Tesla network isn't foolproof. Many parts of the western states are far beyond point to point recharge in a Tesla. Especially since Tesla actual range is far far below than the EPA quote. I wish I would have leased and not purchased. Can't wait to get out of the Tesla scam.

[@tesla_tap]

@@kitgerhart8749 - More likely someone crashed into it and now awaiting a tow, owner making a phone call pulling off to the side, or there is a problem like a flat tire. EV's provide excellent warnings when the battery gets low along with where to go to charge. It's really hard to ignore. In 11 years of EV driving, never came close to running out of power.

[@michaeloreilly657]

Buyers want more tech? All I hear is that buyers want simpler, cheaper vehicles?

[@dclpgh]

The only reason Waymo is still around is because of Uncle Google's deep pockets.

[@frankcoffey]

No robo taxi company will ever make a profit or pay back the development costs. At least not in the US. They expected a market of 50 billion per year but that would mean 100% going to one company and all other types of public transportation magically going away. The technology or risk is not the big problem, the problem is lack of demand. People use cars for all kinds of things other than a pre planned trip to move humans from point to point. If you need a car for all those other uses you can't escape the cost of having one by using public transportation.

[@gmv0553]

What is your point? Just like Zoox and Amazon! Two tech companies that will win the race!

[@frankcoffey]

@@gmv0553 They will win a prize that is a fraction of what's expected.

[@dclpgh]

@@gmv0553 I think you and i both know who will be the last man standing.

[@erktrek]

@@frankcoffey Getting the costs low enough and the scale high enough is what matters. If a company can charge a similar price as to what public transportation costs but the passenger had the ability to say within a minute or so get picked up at home and dropped off directly at work or dinner or shopping and return then that seems like a game changer most would prefer. Curious as to what kind of things people do with vehicles that do not involve point to point travel? Camping maybe?

[@MichaelAllen-td1uu]

Autonomous vehicles are currently 17 times safer than a human drivers. That would save thousands of lives.

[@bobbbobb4663]

You can’t do basic math. AV crash rate 26.3 pmvm and humans is 0.7 pmvm in California and 1.9 U.S. Thus, AV is 13 times worse. Another Musk fail…

[@michaeloreilly657]

Autonomous vehicles don't exist yet.

[@ronfarnsworth7074]

I think the trends of the ecar market have already left ces ceo in the dust. Too much cherrypicking.

[@bobwallace9753]

These guys are so, so ignorant.

[@macbomb]

OshKosh B'gosh is not Oshkosh Corporation (formerly Oshkosh Truck) not even related....

[@JohnPhillips-j3j]

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[@jamesvandamme7786]

Take your off-topic SPAM and insert where no UV photons reach it.

[@M3W3]

It is leadership. Right leadership makes all the differences.

[@12345682900]

If Gary Shapiro truly believes the Trump administration will make things "better" than the existing - best economy in the world - he's in for some real heartaches. Historically, markets operate far better under a split Congress/administration.

[@Mark-M72]

I'm calling 🐂💩 on this prediction 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@12345682900]

@@Mark-M72 Trust me brother, I PRAY I'm wrong! Facts, however, say otherwise. Time will tell. Stay tuned....

[@Mark-M72]

I'll set a reminder 👍

[@12345682900]

@@Mark-M72 👍

[@joelschroeder8071]

So many people seem to like nuclear. I am all for it, but the cost compared to batteries and solar has just not been competative. You can try and blame regulation, but I don't think China can even make them cheap.

[@oystla]

Nuclear ? If you accept to pay 1usd/KWh.

[@zeitgeist888]

France does it for less and much less than other surrounding EU countries. Nowhere in the US that uses nuclear has $1/Kwh

[@junkerzn7312]

@@zeitgeist888 France heavily subsidies its nuclear industry and the government basically owns the infrastructure, so there are not profits getting in the way (the umbrella company has like a 1% profit margin, I think).

[@zeitgeist888]

@@junkerzn7312 The US has 1.1 trillion in oil and gas support for 2023 and 189 billion was for residential. If we moved all or some of that spending towards nuclear there could be improvement in both reduced emissions and lower cost. The US already has government control and regulations over utilities so adjusting some to add nuclear capacity isn't much of a change.

[@117Warbird]

Usual EV/AV cluelessness, add hydrogen and energy generation falsehoods, this show continues to be a grand source of comedy.

[@DericO-rz3be]

Munro and Friends sold all the secrets to the Chinese auto / EV makers

[@robinsonmac]

They tried to sell to the big 3 but they couldn't listen. They all have proven they dont know how to make meaningful EV's or any EV & make a profit. So much for the competition is going to eat Teslas lunch......

[@frankcoffey]

Mobility is not just pre planned trips moving humans from point to point. People use cars for all kinds of other things. Somehow there is an idea that public transportation could allow you to not have a car and that is just not true.

[@kevtheobald]

If I could count on a vehicle showing up twenty minutes after requesting one via an app, I would do it. Most trips are just simple commutes to work or going to stores. Imagine not having to spend $40,000 on vehicles, plus annual insurance, maintenance, storage, etc., on a vehicle. People under 25 in the US are not excited about vehicles. Anything to lower the cost of living is very appealing as we watch the wealth gap grow and inflation grow. If Tesla had a Cybercab service that could take me and my wife from Sacramento to Anaheim for $150, I would pay it. No one is saying autonomous vehicles will replace everything, but economics is a huge driver in getting rid of personal vehicles.

[@frankcoffey]

@@kevtheobald How do you go to more than one store in a taxi? Where do you store your stuff while at the second store? How do you move your things to a new apartment in a Taxi? How do you go hiking, or camping? There is a huge list of events where a taxi (of any kind) doesn't work. And for some it would only take one failure to lose their job.

[@kevtheobald]

@frankcoffey As far as a job, you realize personal cars breakdown and cause problems. Clearly you lead a life of massive shopping. I usually goto one store. The Model Y or Cybercab could fit what I get from Costco. My Model 3 already handles that. Odds are you could pay for an autonomous vehicle to wait for you if you wanted to shop many different places and store your stuff in the vehicle. Cybertruck could become a vehicle used in the autonomous services, so that would cover 95% of needs. For camping, that might the time to rent a vehicle for a week. Remember, economics is the real driver for many to get away from owning a vehicle. Then you can consider places where parking is tough and/or expensive. I worked in San Francisco in the early 2000s and the monthly parking fee at the garage attached the office building I was at was $300 a month. I can only imagine what they charge now, probably $500 a month. Clearly, they will need to pry your vehicle from cold dead body, but I have little doubt 70% of drivers would be fine with walking away from ownership to save money if they knew the systems worked well. That is the key.

[@tesla_tap]

@@frankcoffey Good points, although seems a robotaxi would be far more reliable than one's own car. If there is a problem, another can be dispatched quickly. If your own car fails - you're screwed. For rare needs (moving, camping, etc.) I'd expect people to just rent a car for the time needed. They can get the exact size required. Silly to buy a truck for a once every 3 year move for example. There will always be some people that require owning a car, especially in rural areas.

[@FPBIV]

in over a century operating combustion energy, almost 100% of the waste has been dumped to sky land and water. growing up with Duck'n"cover in the Cold War, nuclear is the scary non-combustion energy due to the bombs and some disasters that are scarier but vastly less frequent than oil spills, well fires and collateral methane releases.. while we are unable to manage combustion waste in a century, nuclear has been more successful and has a lot of too for improvement.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Unfortunately, it's too expensive and takes too long to build.

[@joelschroeder8071]

Did Tu Le buy an electric car without at least installing 220 power at home?

[@Mark-M72]

Definitely sounds like it 😮

[@cesartrujillo4190]

Great guests. I miss Gary’s pessimistic view on everything

[@ronfarnsworth7074]

@@cesartrujillo4190 I'd add willful ignorance and disinformation..

[@DericO-rz3be]

Large number of Chinese EV manufacturers are expected to fail

[@DericO-rz3be]

FROM THE MARKETING SCHMUCK.... many people do not want all the superfluous tech gizmos and marketing in their car... One CES survey is not conclusive

[@theipc-twizzt2789]

"BYD hired a 1000 guys and they are going to solve that" Lmao is this the clown or the entire circus? You can't just hire more engineers and expect faster results lol.......

[@technologyandsociety21C]

What a jerk!

[@DericO-rz3be]

EVERY THING CHANGING except the Whiny Donald Duck voice...

[@gnoxycat]

The Tesla killers never came. Not one car can compete.

[@billybobbob3003]

tesla cant compete with a real car. the gigacast shock towers keep breaking.

[@swainp2012]

Tesla bad syndrome ?

[@billybobbob3003]

@@swainp2012 glass roofs are terrible hailstones bust through roof.leather seats are terrible dont last. gigacastings are terrible and lack of charginh infastructure is terrible and lack of range.

[@gnoxycat]

@@billybobbob3003 Its so bad that nobody on the planet can compete. So horrible.

[@billybobbob3003]

@@gnoxycat my 2014 honda crv lx is superior to any tesla and thats fact.