CF Moto 450 MT - 2000 mile summary - in the Alps.

[@manugrend]

Can we all agree that Nathan is by far the best and most importantly, the one with the most real down to earth, practical as well as useful reviews and perspective of anyone out there? His reviews make you feel almost as if you "know" the bike already, and what to, and not to expect. Always top of his game and yet so humble about it! Gotta love and appreciate this guy.

[@nathanthepostman]

Thanks uncle bob

[@volt8684]

Hear hear

[@90dfender]

Really love Nathans views.

[@bluemorgan9066]

Yea, after seeing this latest, yea, he says it.

[@gillesgenete9598]

​@@nathanthepostman dear Nathan, may I suggest you to speak slowly for me humble Frenchie to clearly understand all of your points. Thanks for review, I did ride Someiller, Jaffereau, Via del Sale, in August 23 on my 500excf, lighter easier but I would not ride on motorway for more than 100km, hence my interest for the 450mt (crf300 and voge300 are too underpowered for my taste over long trips where I ride my 890R)

[@mac22011964]

Nathan has become my go to for bike reviews….no messing, no being politically correct to protect manufacturer relationships…..just honest, clear and real world. Love it.

[@davidmallia628]

Yes, very knowledgeable, combined with down to earth practical.

[@MalleeMate]

Politically correct? What are you talking about?

[@mac22011964]

@@MalleeMateread the full sentence!

[@vistazo9]

Congratulations from Guatemala 🇬🇹 Really appreciate your statement: this byke was built listening the consumer/client...instead of marketing one already built ... Guatemala has beautiful rugged unexplored terrain ! Cheers !

[@robshaw2319]

"Hi guys, so got a group of 12 riders on Mars, some lovely tracks and a reasonable level of challenge on a mix of bikes..." you Sir, are a legend. 👍

[@danlynch1404]

Great video Nathan! Amazing scenery, plus the drone and the usual down to earth commentary! Have a safe journey home!

[@davidz8]

A brilliant review, followed by "I'm gonna get me dinner" Brilliant. I love my 450MT, came off a Tenere and the 450 suits my ability much better.

[@leslieaustin151]

That is quite an endorsement from a person who knows what he’s talking about, and has put his money where his mouth is! Glad it’s gone well for you, Nathan. Of course, I’m impressed that there is a Serow 225 in the mix! Top marks to the rider of that bike. Very light, but low powered. Ride safe! Les

[@1990-t1j]

I lived in Tokyo in the early '90s. I saw quite a lot of Serow 225s around.

[@leslieaustin151]

@@1990-t1j I’m sure. I have a ‘personal import from Japan’ XT225, (1992) and love it to bits. I didn’t import it. I think it might have been used on LDTs by the first British owner. My other bike is an Innova (ANF 125) somewhat modified. Les

[@1990-t1j]

@@leslieaustin151 The Innova is the Honda Wave in Thailand. I can't get on with the gear change, Les. Nick

[@leslieaustin151]

@@1990-t1j Nick, I agree, the gearchange doesn’t suit me, so I’ve changed it round so it’s down for down, up for up, and I ignore the ‘cyclic’ neutral.

[@1990-t1j]

@@leslieaustin151 Neat.

[@rjsmith26]

Thanks Nathan, great review as ever. Placed my order this week for a CFMotor 450MT, now the long wait, as you say, a manufacturer who has listened and delivered. Safe trip back.

[@cyphertheory]

Had mine for a week now and I am loving it - coming down from a large capacity adventure to something of this size was a bit worrying but I am glad I have made the change

[@drd3816]

How are you finding the suspension? I wonder if its down to the weight of the rider i have a CF450 on order and i am 95kg

[@cyphertheory]

@@drd3816 I'm a 120kg rider and it came factory far too hard, backed off all the compression and rebound at least 3-4 clicks, and added some preload and so far so good. Not tried it on any tough stuff at speed yet

[@andrewonmyway8184]

I always give you a thumbs before I watch you Nathan because you always provide gold content. Cheers for that!

[@Pollard77]

Another straight forward review from someone who actually wears the tshirt. Very well done.

[@marcusstuart7874]

Best reviewer around

[@matusknives]

Awesome , no-nonsense review, and some amazing views. I had no clue (I am not a biker yet) that there are these kinds of trails in Alps. That is something I will be very much loking forward to a little bit down the road.

[@simongilbert2704]

great looking trails and scenery ,

[@msims1250]

Great video, and an excellent point that the Chinese seem to be listening to the consumer, rather than doing what most everyone else does and designing a bike then pushing it on everyone. I’m a shorter rider (28” inseam) of average skill, and I’ve often been puzzled by manufacturers who introduce an entry level or mid-level bike with a seat height of 35-37 inches. I understand the need for ground clearance, but for me at least, those taller bikes are a no go. Anyway, thanks for the video.

[@grahamrowe6278]

As ever, an excellent synopsis Nathan.

[@teneretraveller8980]

Looks like a great trip. I wonder if with the success of the 450, CF will provide a 'hot' version with the upgrades you mentioned? They've listened so far. I think the best point you made was that everyone had a great trip whatever they rode. That's important, use whatever you ride. Get out and travel. It creates an appetite that you'll never satisfy. Ride safe 👍

[@devonbikefilms]

“Change the trip to suit the bike” a real bit of wisdom there sir.

[@stevec-b6214]

Nathan, nobody else crams this much sense into 15 minutes. If you were paid by the word, you would be a tax exile;)

[@johndenyer6281]

I ordered mine yesterday and it won’t arrive quick enough. Thank you Nathan for your reviews. Keep up the good work

[@rwriddell]

Deposit on 450MT with North West Powersport Skelmersdale paid yesterday. They have access to one for a test rid. Ian, the boss, is knowledgeable, easy going, professional. Bike due February. Can't wait!

[@roybdatwerky5631]

I have one Nathan...agree what you saying about the suspension..feel at slower riding it will beat you up abit ...I've put 15t front sproket on .. think personally a improvement ..only gripe I have is the service intervals 3.100 miles to keep warranty...otherwise I can't fault the bike ...Great chat ..keep um coming..stay safe..

[@Banditman369]

Great review as ever Nathan, and that looks like an incredible trip with brilliant trails 👍

[@oliverhuddlestone1213]

Cracking feedback Nath. Love the honesty mate. Doesn't half make me want a Caballero Rally again... 😂

[@adaptableadventurerider]

Legendary review Nathan its great to head that you are finding something that you are really enjoying that’s totally the main thing :) that bike that makes you look look n look again n think of the adventures and places itl lead you when you have those moments you can’t ride an then when those dreams become reality the best feeling ever. :) brilliant review an thanks for sharing might wind up bumping into you down in Devon just got back from a week of house hunting in Somerset after we lost a house we had an offer on in west Devon total pain things always have a funny way of working out. Happy travels to all on the trip.

[@rwriddell]

Great to hear the trip has delivered adventure, trepidation and thrills. Very interesting thoughts on the bike.

[@crozatier333]

Excellent review. Great piece to camera (apparently unscripted !). The tours look incredible. Thanks Nathan! Keep up the good work. Meantime I’ll be ordering my Ibex 450 providing you haven’t done such a good job there’s none left to buy!

[@everythingandanything6405]

Morning Nathan, excellent as usual, thank you( P.s mine is on order!

[@1990-t1j]

1:06 What scenery. It sounds like a good bike. Certainly looks good. I like the sound of the low-slung weight. 200 kg is still a lot for a 450cc bike to haul, though. Nick

[@atthesummitMTBskills]

Love seeing an old g reg yamaha still out there doing adventures. Proves you don’t need a monster gs1300 to have adventure. Great review and not in market for a new bike but enjoy these

[@nathanthepostman]

Ridden by 65 year old Jan, passed her test at age 52.

[@atthesummitMTBskills]

@@nathanthepostman what a legend!

[@jeffturner2102]

Great detailed review Nathan

[@MrVinnyh]

The one thing you are good at talking about Nathan, is good old common sense, small is beautiful. 👍

[@HippoDrones]

Awesome hearing your thoughts on the CFMoto 450 MT.... a real shame my local dealership is closing, so no idea where I'd be able to get one serviced, or even buy one from currently. Hopefully the main manufacturers will take note and build us a bike we want too!

[@neilwarburton3683]

A postman who deliveres from the hip 💵 Definitely have a test ride when the new batch arrives.. Kudos to the Serrow pushing adventure 😎

[@rjsmith26]

From charring with a dealer when I ordered one this week, he advised it's unlikely that demos will be available while there are people waiting for bikes. Mine will be next year perhaps as late as June as the wait list is quite long.

[@BobsBikingAdventures]

Looks like an awesome trip. Mountain trails in the snow!

[@Motozillaph]

Unbiased review. Thank you Nathan for this video. Some “famous” channel discredit this bike or Chinese brand in general without even riding one. I bought one because of your channel and glad i made that decision. Really happy with my Chinese brand off road bike 😂 Cheers!

[@nathanthepostman]

If it's the channel I'm thinking of they didn't seem to stick to principle and gladly accepted a free overseas jolly from another fledgling (developing world) brand.

[@garth62]

Loved that apraisal - and you are right, the big mainstream manufacturers just seem to want to make bigger, heavier more complicated bikes when the CF450 proves that unicorns can exist.

[@TheChillBison]

So great to see a bike that's so common sense. Why would a manufacturer hide ABS options somewhere in on screen settings? Why would they spec absolute bottom-tier suspension but charge top -shelf price? Why not just make the bike everyone wants? Seems like CFMoto has just about nailed it, and when you see a new DR650 going for almost as much, and a CRF going for even more, doesn't even really seem to be a competition. Would love to see Yamaha and Suzuki put something out to go against this, the Himalayan 450, and the CB500x.

[@HettyHorseboxMobileCraftSt-x5j]

Looks like a great trip Nathan

[@stevedavies3322]

Glad to hear this because I've ordered one.😊

[@howardmann5634]

Thanks for the confidence in the mt have one on order but taking a long time can’t wait to try it out carry on

[@keepitreal1547]

Brilliant Nathan & fantastic efforts by all. On your return to Blighty, i'd love to see you do a back to back review of the MT450 v Voge525dsx, putting both through their paces as adventure bikes. Both are hot property & sold out virtually everywhere...though I'd like to know which one to pre-order at my local dealer...& you're the person I'd trust to do this back to back testing.

[@nathanthepostman]

To be honest there's no contest. The Voge is a great copy of a 500x and is a really good road tourer/commuter, but the scope for the CF Moto is much broader and it's just a more charismatic and inspiring machine. But I wish it had the voge's extra grunt!

[@keepitreal1547]

@@nathanthepostman Thanks for your reply. So the MT450 equally capable as the 525 at what it excells in, plus a much better off roader? If a 50/50 split of road & offload is needed, the MT450. If 75% road 25% offload the 525?

[@jamescunninghamniven]

Whole trip sounds exciting and well executed. Great stuff, adapting route for bikes simplicity itself. 👍

[@pyreneanparaphernalia6619]

Nathan, enjoying your channel very much. May I say a little about the perceived “unicorn” CF moto MT450. I think this bike looks great, but I and many others have been riding a 55hp bike from the late 80’s that also weighs 175kg dry, has twin cylinders, 21” front and is renowned for being reliable and rugged. Mine has served me well for decades; it has reccied trails for my 4x4 tour business and crossed countries loaded and 2up; many have been used to travel the World. Bring the MT450 on as another so called ADV bike, but tbh I’m not seeing a “new unicorn bike”, as 175kg dry, 600, 55 hp, 21 road/trail bike arrived the late 80’s. Atb, ride far and safe.

[@nathanthepostman]

Thanks Pyrenean. I sort of appreciate the sentiment but you can only compare new bikes with new bikes. Comparing them to 40 year old bikes from a different era is kinda pointless because you can't buy them anymore. So my reviews of the CF Moto or any bike are in the context of the new bike market. Certainly there's been similar and arguably better bikes before it, but it's in the context of the 2024 market and 2024 prices that I view the CF moto.

[@kramnam4716]

Super sense being spoken right here! 👏

[@patrickcavanaghkilmartin]

Another good review, great footage. Lovely to see that Serow, superb bike, if a wee bit cramped.

[@TheRk1969]

This is a real customers bike. Maybe I didn't see bad review on this bike ever. Very honest review from you👍

[@tonyshearman9620]

Thanks for the great review. Great to see a Chinese company now leading the way rather than following. Also great to recognise some of the fabulous trails and locations from last year's trip. Keep up the good work 👍

[@ridelifenz]

Yammie Tenere 500s on its way fellas. There just waiting to sell a few more T7s. Nice vid Nathan.

[@joshdoddadbod]

Good to see this bike is doing well. As an owner of a T7 and a more experienced/aggressive rider I feel like it is perfect for me minus how heavy it is. If it was 400lbs it would be the unicorn. It's pretty damned close as is though. If I was newer or less aggressive I'd definitely be going for the 450mt, and I suspect many experienced riders will enjoy it . Here's for hoping China becomes the new Japan since Japanese companies don't seem to be interested in giving us what we want.

[@laranjiinha77]

Yamaha Serow XT225 best bike there! It is light, powerful, beautiful and great for trails! I had two, and I could easily have another 3rd. I really like your channel Nathan, but unfortunately I dont want to support chinese bikes, chinese market for obvious reasons (political mainly). Take it easy ;)

[@NZCycletherapy]

You and Chris from Bike World always say it how it is, I love your definition of adventure - when something could go wrong but you go anyway, true! Also it was time someone spoke the simple truth that you should pick the course suited to your bike, there are hundreds of idiots in the internet looking for their 15 minutes of fame that do videos of ‘Top speed comparison!’ for small capacity bikes…if you want to go fast on the freeway/motorway then buy a bigger bike, but don’t complain when you can’t handle it or go places off road.

[@stuartholding6067]

Nice review Nathan and now all I have to do is wait until there's enough of them in the showrooms to buy. Pity about the Stella being canned over paperwork. It was never really an organised event in the sense of a traditional rally but I guess someone behind the scenes had to take responsibility for it and without Insurance etc they'd be the ones in the firing line. I've done the event a few times as I was often just over the border in France - as I was last week, which is why the snow and ice looked very familiar. We had complete white out blizzards in Alpe D'Huez and from memory much of the Stella track is at about the same altitude.

[@P6_7R_Nick]

Plan the route to suit the bike, not the bike to suit the route. Wise words there Nathan.

[@rodyoung2014]

An excellent and useful review. Many thanks Nathan

[@nicolaf970]

Very good interesting review of the cf Moto 450 we know if it was crap you would certainly tell us in your review! That’s what I like in your videos you say it as it is every time and you know what you’re talking about!

[@Hemlck]

Good honest review….have you ridden the Tuareg 660? Be interesting to get your opinion as you often compare to Ténéré…I think the Tuareg is great and available new for £9k.

[@Ijusthopeitsquick]

Another great review and summary. As you say, it's impressive to see the Chinese companies innovating while the Japanese seem content to rest on their laurels. I agree that the suspension seems to be tuned for a heavy or a fast rider, and is a bit firm for most.

[@lydff]

Have you ridden the Serrow 225 before? Is there any chance you could get a hold of one for a video?

[@fredblogd8448]

What prevents the manufacturer making 5,6th gear a little longer for the road, your probably not gonna need them on the trail?

[@ezsteel78]

Reusing a gearbox, for example, and only messing with the final drive. The cfmoto is basically cruising at the same rpm-for-speed as a crf300, which is a much smaller capacity bike, but does, in fact, have a long 6th.

[@イエンスヨハンセン]

Great review -- thank you! I have one of these on order, coming off a Kove 450 Rally which is a very different beast (also a great bike as long as it's ridden by a far more skilled biker than me). Lots of reviewers say the MT suspension is very stiff, but I wonder how many have tried the Kove. To give a bit of context, friend of mine is a Romaniacs regular and he can make the Kove dance around his enduro practice track, as long as it's set almost as soft as it goes.

[@malcolmspencer7118]

What a great honest down to earth video…own a T7 at the moment but seriously thinking of a change to the CF450 👍

[@Niki_Parvanov]

good, honest, unbiased review, thank you!

[@neilbenton1152]

Done 800 miles on mine done the 15 tooth sprocket mode and its brilliant now I'm a very happy bunny ❤

[@lukaszslusarczyk2921]

Nice man. Regrets from Poland🖐🖐

[@RandomPunter-xo9tx]

Great review for a great bike. Just got back from a bit of TET in northern France on mine. I couldn't venture too far on the muddy sections being by myself and of limited skill, but overall it is an easy bike to ride and really enjoyable on road and trail. Could have done with the 15 tooth sprocket for 300 miles of motorway home today but it is so smooth that I and the bike seemed to tolerate hours at 7000rpm quite well. Anyone on the fence should just put their deposit down.

[@BikingChap]

So great to see the footage from Col de l'Iseran and the off road stuff I'll never have the skills for, really nicely shot. It still saddens me that the Japanese effectively abandoned the 'dual sport' market especially after such long serving classics like the KLR and DR650, I wonder if they've an eye on the CFMoto sales figures, I'd be surprised if they didn't.

[@Papanchasonline]

EPIC trails out there man. I’ve been considering the CF when it’s available again, so really appreciate this honest review 🙏🏼

[@peakrider4886]

I personally wouldn’t wait until it’s back in the dealers. There are so many pre orders being taken for this bike, in the UK all of the Spring shipment is going to be sold out, and you’ll be waiting another 6 months. If you want one, then I would get a deposit down.

[@fernetbranca9]

Would love a review from you of the DR 650

[@nathanthepostman]

Unfortunately we don't get them here in the UK. There's a few imports floating around but theyre big money

[@CosmikDebriis]

Quick query. So you seem to have found the "unicorn" bike but. Have you also found the ultra elusive "unicorn" tyre? Reports are that the std tyres aren't very good in the slimy stuff (and it certainly appears you are having to deal with that). Personally, I've been searching for more years than I should care to mention and it's always been a trade off so just wondered what your opinion is? I'd say the stock tyres are surprisingly good on road but have not yet had the chance to test them properly on the trails. Nice to see everyone enjoying themselves and must admit to being a bit jealous though, as some sort of compensation, It's like the middle of summer beck here in the UK. Very strange.

[@nathanthepostman]

Yeah tyres are fine. A good all rounder. Obviously knobbies if you're riding regularly mud but often bad tyres are the blame for bad riding

[@pauleckett6713]

Great review, seems like a gem of a bike, must check out your trips.

[@SwedBear1]

I think it's great to see you (and some others) counter balancing the drive for the bigger and more powerful the better 👍👍 And in a very clear and honest way as well! May I ask what bikes you would put on a shortlist for used bikes with the purpose of 75% of mild off road with 25 being transport on the black and no highways? I have a tdm900 for the black and an electric freeride for enduro tracks. I am a tall, improving beginner off road at 187cm. Want something not breaking the bank that I can learn to ride at least semi aggressive on gravel with. No long distances. Better to start on a 250/300 dual sport, a 350/400 or something around 600/650? Greetings from Sweden 😊

[@chonkbadonk]

How do you like that seat cover? Where can it be purchased?

[@Spiezid]

Looking at this or a KLR650 as my first dual sport after 8 years of riding. Living in NewZealand for the next couple of years and looking for a cheap tourer and dirt road explorer. Any comparison between those two?

[@nathanthepostman]

I haven't spent much time on a klr to be fair but from what I remember it's an old school thumper. Long soft suspension, lumpy tractable engine. Probably better for the trails. And fine on the road at a pace. The cf moto is just more modern, more refined and better if you're hitting any highways/motorways

[@boboneleg]

Nice one Nathan , hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm will it replace the DR650 in my garage ?

[@andrewbellwood610]

Thanks for a great review, will this tour be running next year please ?

[@tonynichols2361]

Hey all. Good to see CFMoto constantly improving and becoming 'mainstream'. I have a 650MT, probably two CFMoto generations before this 450MT, and while it certainly has the extra horses, the extra weight, less suspension travel and smaller wheels would mean I don't think this trip would be particularly enjoyable. Nonetheless, I've found it a great bike to ride and certainly confidence inspiring to take it places you wouldn't normally go on a 'road' bike. By the way, was that a yellow scooter that was on the pipe!? Cheers.

[@yorkshireladrides]

Looks a good trip.. a little cooler than a few weeks ago. Regards to all.... V Strom Daz

[@paultownsend3696]

So wait for the Rally Raid suspension, then an exhaust, filter and map and it will be THE medium weight adventure bike?

[@viliusr6974]

Nice review. Everyone whom is complaining about the suspension, must, not should pop into a suspension specialist shop and get the bike properly sprung and setup. Best few hundred quid you will spend. Manufacturer can not accomodate all the rider weights and riding styles with same suspension setup.

[@theendisalreadyhere]

Should this one be good for a 1m70 earthling? I really want a trail but there are usually made for giants.

[@iainrutherford184]

Cracking review. Thanks Nathan 😉

[@24567442]

I know what you mean nathan abot weight distribution. I have an fz6 and an mt09sp and the fz6 feel considerably heavier despite the higher spec weight on the MT. The Mt feels like I'm sat in it rather than on the on it. The FZ also has two stock exhausts underneath the seat

[@Free_Ranger_CT110]

CF moto have really caught the Japanese napping. How will the big 4 react?

[@istra70]

Mini Tenere - I am considering buying one . Can you tell us which ( if any ) of this bikes in your touring group broke down , and what went wrong ?... ...

[@nathanthepostman]

No breakdowns. Just a puncture on a Himalayan 411. I've not had many customer bikes breakdown over the years. If there's a trend it tends to be the 10 year + old bikes that just have some mechanical gremlin. The newer stuff I've never had a problem with.

[@nockianlifter661]

I’ve just ordered one, I wanted something with more rider comfort to get to the trails. The little Serrow has done a cracking job teaching me the basics, but it’s too cramped for distance. Sad to see it go, with its 93 mpg and easy to lift after dropping it.

[@barrysalmon9892]

FRASHD tuning In Oz personly owns one of these bikes and has spent a lot of time creating a good re map and is getting an extra 7 hp with the stander setup bike!

[@neilbenton1152]

Hi buddy would this map be available in the UK ?

[@JIMWSMITH]

If you want no bullshit straight honest views, Nathan is the man without doubt the best motorcycle journalist in the uk. He could make a tidy income as a manufacturer consultant without doubt.

[@stefanhansen5882]

Amazing info on this bike. What is the 225 machine you mention a couple of times, e.g. at 12:53?

[@nathanthepostman]

It's a Yamaha Serow 225

[@stefanhansen5882]

@@nathanthepostman Thanks. Never heard about it.

[@markfletcher3728]

Currently comutting on a 2010 650 Versys but thinking of changing to A CF 450MT as I want to do a few lanes occasionally! Was going to buy a small enduro or something similar but the wife seems to think I already have too many bikes with my trials bike too! Would I regret selling my Versys (which is no good for lanes) for one of these? I am a short rider and had to lower ther Versys!

[@nathanthepostman]

I would probably say if you like the Versys and it does the job then just keep it and try and pick up a cheap trail bike. You're probably not going to want to take a brand new bike on the trails unless you're confident and for commuting the Versys is the perfect bike. There's a few dealers with CF Moto demo bikes if you can get a go on one.

[@markfletcher3728]

@nathanthepostman My Versys is coming to the end of its life, might get another 12 months out of it. I am fairly confident off road and have taken the Versys on a couple of lanes but it's too road biased. My Trials riding has also given me some new skills too!

[@GavinWalker-y7p]

"it wants to stand up all on its own".... like the sound of that. Be interesting to see in a couple of years whether CFmoto bore it out to a 500cc which may offer a touch more excitement and aid hwy speed? Great content. Thx

[@sbsb4995]

The CF Moto 450mt is a perfect machine. I got a Duke 390. Do you think it will be suitable for this sort of trips?

[@nathanthepostman]

We had a 390 Adventure on the tour which managed ok. The Duke could manage if ridden carefully, but I wouldn't say it's the 'right' bike for the job, and I wouldn't personally take someone on a Duke on the tour with me. But doing it on your own, you'd probably be alright.

[@markmccann-wood2225]

Good review Nathan 👍 would a Honda NX500 get round there? Cheers

[@nathanthepostman]

It probably would. Wouldn't be my first choice with the smaller front wheel but one of the guys was on an early 500x with the 17 inch front wheel and he was half way up before the snow kicked in. So is possible, rider and weather dependent

[@markmccann-wood2225]

@@nathanthepostman cheers Nathan 👍 I see the NX does have 19" front wheel as opposed to 17" on CB 👍 thanks for the reply, trip looks great 🇮🇹

[@markmccann-wood2225]

@@nathanthepostman *oops, my correction CB also has a 19" front 👍

[@jessrumblin]

You know that Yamaha has the MT03 twin motor that could be a Tenere 350 and Kawasaki has 400cc motor on the Ninja that could be on the Versys

[@nathanthepostman]

Yes exactly. They all the right ingredients but don't seem to want to use them

[@johnkelleher3174]

Hi Nathan - maybe your next bike could be a Kove 800 - same weight as the CF 450 but with 80 odd bhp at the back wheel ? Great video, review- cheers , John from Ireland

[@generalt1090]

Real world honest insightful review!

[@MV-XD2]

So you may need a larger front sprocket, and maybe better suspension if you find it too firm, but people say the same about much more expensive bikes. I’ve bought a couple of top end adv bikes new in the past - poor quality suspension, either no bash plate, or it’s paper thin, no engine bars or crash protection, bars too low, seat too soft and uncomfortable, windscreen noisy etc - before you know it you’ve spent most of the cost price of the MT450 getting it working properly. Madness!

[@CosmicSeeker69]

Or, just adjust the compression and rebound

[@drdoolittle5724]

Thank you Nathan, proprietor of, 'Don't Look Down Tours'! Quite a frightening wake-up call for companies we thought were 'the best' ever since the 60's!, I wonder if anyone could track down just who are the guys CF assembled to mastermind or did they just buy in a complete package?

[@nicktaylor1550]

This is the question. How did CFMoto create a bike to lead the market? Genuinely interested to know how they derived the requirements of the adv market. However, time will tell if advs turn out profitable.

[@drdoolittle5724]

@@nicktaylor1550 Could it be that as they are World leaders in AI, some genie has collated everything then hit the print button? Scary!

[@christopherpekel6096]

​@@nicktaylor1550it's like you're saying Chinese are stupid I know you didn't mean that but we have to give them credit They saw a gap and went for it

[@Sankara561]

@@christopherpekel6096 exactly, the world's leading factories in every industry are in China. That said any brand could have launched this motorcycle (probably paying the same Chinese factory to make them) but would have done so with much greater mark-up to fund brand marketing and inflate residuals, and possibly without the economies of scale that CFMoto can get by pricing low and selling bikes faster than they can build them.

[@nicktaylor1550]

​@@christopherpekel6096 the opposite really. It's amazing how badly the major manufacturers have failed to build this bike though. Where is the CRF450LRally?

[@T700SUX]

Thanks for your review, value your opinion. What's your thoughts on the Cabilero, sure you've not covered it before? Great looking bike, concidering one.

[@nathanthepostman]

I rode the caballero on this tour briefly. It's good. Quote rough compared to the triumph 400, but feels much lighter. Longer travel suspension. I've always found them overpriced but a good second hand one could be a good option

[@_Makanko_]

Nice review from a very practical POV