CFMoto 450SS vs Kawasaki Ninja 400 - Detailed Track Comparison

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CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
0:21 Specs Comparison
3:42 Yam on the 450SS
7:20 Brandon on the Ninja
10:41 First Run Discussion
11:07 Yam on the Ninja
14:12 Brandon on the 450SS
17:48 Final Discussion

[@yammienoob]

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[@andrewhaynie8182]

Scammers!!!!!!!

[@stevenfreeman7798]

That was a shit test the ninja had an unrestricted can on. both bikes should be standard for a fair test!!.

[@jeffmullinax9690]

Need to add the Aprilia RS 457

[@BenrockyAA]

At the end of the day we are lucky to have two such awesome options. Good times to be a rider.

[@dhany6332]

there is the rc390 the r3 and the new aprilia rs 457(is awesome but it will come in genuary)

[@tammyforbes2101]

@@dhany6332don’t forget the CBR300R I have one and I ride it more then I do my liter bike!

[@terramatela6351]

Well, I am taken by the single swing arm CFMOTO. I worry that the availability will be a problem due to the positive reviews. Plus, it seems like it will hit 120mph faster than anything in its range

[@BeYera3]

Ninja 400 Yammie 2:21.308 Brandon 2:22.059 CFMoto 450SS Brandon 2:21.099 Yammie 2:25.187 It doesn't get much closer than that! Objectively they're soo similar it really boils down to subjective preference. What a fantastic review, I love the direct comparison of laptimes.

[@2WCapo]

Too close to matter, get the bike you think looks the nicest or you can get the best deal on. 99% of buyers for these bikes are going to upgrade to something faster in a year anyway. Great video 🤘

[@specialperson220]

Nah, get the one that isn’t Chinese garbage.

[@Nick-Edwards]

@@specialperson220I’ve had a CF Moto for a few months now and it’s awesome. I have absolutely no regrets getting. They’re priced way better than any other brands and are packed with way better tech

[@alexbare7181]

@@Nick-Edwards wait for the planned obsolescence date to hit, then tell us about how nice those fancy electronics are.

[@alexbare7181]

I guess I'm like that 1% still riding my 250...

[@manoloorz]

it is easier to get faster on a bike that feels easier to ride, the times are close becuaso papa yam and brandon are already very fast but a novice is going to be faster on the ninja at least at the beggining.

[@allanmontufar9189]

I just got my 450sr yesterday and I love it

[@richardchileshe9910]

I got mine, two weeks ago. You will love the sound, how it rides and all the features. Tell your insurance co that the bike has a bike tracker. That should lower your premiums.

[@JoaquimGonsalves]

I think what many don't realize is that once you cross a certain age, if you're still lucky enough to be riding and able to afford that lifestyle, you eventually come back down to a practical 250/450. Besides, most bikes above 600cc are anyway overpowered for everyday riding and many people buy litre bikes just out of ego..there are very few who actually like to build a long lasting motorcycling career, God willing. Not to mention the exhorbitant prices on bigger bikes in all aspects of owning one.

[@romakorshunov2880]

You're absolutely right.

[@bmmg123]

Words of wisdom...

[@JoaquimGonsalves]

@@romakorshunov2880 Thank you so much!

[@JoaquimGonsalves]

@@bmmg123 Thank you!

[@romakorshunov2880]

@@JoaquimGonsalves You welcome.

[@AaronMosley]

Looks like a blast. But what really made me smile was the song at the end 😂

[@donderstorm1845]

similar bikes but i like the sound more on the 450SS and the modern TFT is a nice extra.

[@jrodrims27]

so...Brandon is just a better rider....GOT IT!!

[@anonymousbusinessman9194]

Been waiting for this video

[@crisrides]

2:10 the tire brand is CST and the model is Adreno sport. CST is a low cost brand from maxxis tires. ✌🏻

[@yeahitskimmel]

Watching Brandon kick it into serious gear when that rando got between y'all was pretty wild. I guarantee that China beginner bike never thought it would have an experience like the turns starting at 13:10

[@SkylerB17]

At this point, as a solely street rider, i think the 450SS is for me. Its nearly as good, but also different and unique. Maybe not for long but, we'll see. Id love to see this again with better tires and slip-on on the 450. That would be the first thing i do to it. But stock for stock it seems the Ninja is the better track bike. Baring the slip-on.

[@rad8311]

This is the one I want. And cfmoto announced they have a 500 and a 650 sport bike coming soon. And I believe a liter bike in the future as well:)

[@va5307]

@@rad8311 I found some short video of a cf 450 and 700 place by each other but didn't find anything longer edit: it was a click bait but from the comment I found out that next month in China they'll be releasing the 675SR

[@MrGreenwolfie]

Gotta pull the fuse for the ABS makes the breaking waayyy better, also a slip on will make it sound preem. Try to mod the CFmoto if you're allowed to.

[@NzScruff]

You can disable the ABS

[@RTK171]

Hi mate my Abs is kickimg in trail braking just on the road. So you just pull the abs fuse obviously the abs light will stay on

[@tjey379]

Thanks that was entertaining and I also learned something's for one ABS is not always a good thing👍👍👍 and yup the 400 is really a great bike. I hope you get an R3 I am really interested in the effect of time on the quality of a bike. But thanks.

[@nibgaming8867]

I LOVE MY 450SS, couldnt have picked a better beginner bike

[@jarrolightfeather4703]

I bought Cfmoto 450sr today, so excited for this video!! 😍

[@richardchileshe9910]

You will love it. I got mine 2 weeks ago and I'm very happy. Tell your insurance co. That the bike has a tracker. They lowered my premiums by over $100 when I told them. Enjoy the sound and over all bragging rights over Ninja owners. It's funny that the Ninja fan boys only come back is, I'd still get the Ninja coz it's more fun. So not only does it have boring looks, crappy LCD v TFT, no features like bike tracker, shift rev change indicator, sat-nav, no Abs (without paying for the option), better forks and breaks, you would still choose the Ninja coz it's slower?

[@jarrolightfeather4703]

@@richardchileshe9910 in my country highest end bike is a super moped 150cc so having a 450cc bike is already insane Mostly here only complaints about oil consumption, spare parts price, heavy maintenance and etc, mostly about sustainable hahaha 🤣 Sadly never see any Ninja 400 here only Ninja250, R25 and CBR250RR for sportbike category

[@Lucasvilla56283]

how much is your insurance monthly? Im thinking of getting a 450ss as my first ever bike. I hear its 10x more expensive than the ninija but dont know if thats true. Im in florida and no stock rn but they tell me they are waiting on the 2024s to arrive so I may just wait, take the bike course and get my moto license until they arrive. @@richardchileshe9910

[@jomunoz]

If I'm not mistaken, the Adreno tyres are a CST brand.

[@L3v3LLIP]

I like the akward outros, they make me watch more yammie noob!

[@bakudrasama3471]

CF moto SR-S has single side swing arm which looks nice 😎

[@MrTmax74]

Thanks for the review. FYI Alex at RevZilla scaled the 450 SS fully fueled at nearly 400 lb. That weight they gave you, must be dry.

[@bakudrasama3471]

The main thing is spare parts availability and proper service centres 😎

[@kidlo2050]

I chose the 450 because its more upgraded but i hope the engine lasts a long time. I like the screen display too. And it comes with a built in tracker and prewired usb slot.

[@papi-sauce]

nice! next yr for 200 dollars more CF moto is coming out with the 450 SRS. it has a front adjustable suspension, a new dash, single swing arm, and traction control by Bosch.

[@vasvoljenistanoje8925]

I have new Chinese bike. Changing weights on the bars made it feel like a fun proper machine! I also couldn't put the finger on what made it so weird to drive it around, until I've heard about weights and trying them.

[@jonathanalfred9847]

I love my Ninja 400. Its a joy to ride. And i say that as someone who also ownes a Ducati 939 Supersport. Why no summery of the lap times comparison. Which bike had the better lap times ? And was it the case with both riders ?

[@Joseph-gp5ld]

I have to say that I do love the sound of the CF Moto 450 engine. It was a brilliant idea to go with a 270 degree crankshaft. I will never find myself on a track. In fact I actually like the Bobber version of the 450. It kind of reminds me of a budget Triumph.

[@parksnowboarder]

Feel like yall neglected to factor in the fact that you used to race a ninja 400 frequently (unless im mistaken)

[@Junkfiles446]

what are your thoughts about the incoming yamaha and cfmoto official partnership that will now be called cf yamaha motors on november?

[@onmygrind3854]

I got an idea. How about a test on a Ural side-car bike or a Christini 2wd bike?

[@ckidphotography1318]

Tbh the ninja looks dated. The cf Moto looks badass

[@nonyabusiness4151]

Motorcycles don't date.

[@richardchileshe9910]

It's also... faster on track and in a straight line. It's funny that the Ninja fan boys only come back is, I'd still get the Ninja coz it's more fun. So not only does it have boring looks, crappy LCD v TFT, no features like bike tracker, shift rev change indicator, sat-nav, no Abs (without paying for the option), better forks and breaks, you would still choose the Ninja coz it's slower?

[@Makaidos]

I was able to test ride the 450SS at a local dealership and I agree about the weight being high. One of the first things I noticed is how the tires really swing out in a corner and makes the bike feel less stable due to the higher center of gravity. That was my only real complaint though.

[@courtlandkiser7140]

It only weights 370lbs? Do you happen to be short? I’m 5’11 160 and have 0 issues with it feeling heavy

[@Makaidos]

@@courtlandkiser7140 I'm 5'10 and no, the bike doesn't feel heavy at all. When I said the weight is high, I meant the center of gravity is located higher than other bikes; enough to make the bike react slightly differently than what I'm used to when in a lean.

[@courtlandkiser7140]

@@Makaidos ahh gotcha it definitely feels different but I haven’t really noticed it feeling like the tires are swinging out

[@rik3849]

I would like to see this comparison done again with the 24 models.

[@9Epicman]

now we have another beginner bike from aprilia too haha, great time to be a beginner

[@LJ12164]

What bike

[@9Epicman]

@@LJ12164 the rs 457, i think my comment made it look like aprilia was making multiple but there is just that one

[@williamfenton6562]

Would like to see both on same set of tire.. Tho can tell from this test day the cf is a lot more street bike than weekend track bike

[@malitiemmanuel1321]

The CFmoto needs engine tuning, especially exhaust and some weight reduction.

[@Nixonbutcher]

How about week days track bike?

[@malitiemmanuel1321]

@@Nixonbutcher U can opt for no ABS, do some weight reduction and system flashing for weekend track fun!

[@noeserd]

Yep tires are extremely important as cfmoto comes with nylon tires

[@Nixonbutcher]

@malitiemmanuel1321 I'll repeat my question again, how about WEEK DAYS track bike?

[@Blood8Chapel]

Can you guys fix all the issues on the 450ss (ex. ABS) and do another demonstration run?

[@Diabeekei]

Is it the winglets affecting how you guys feel riding along with the abs

[@dawnanddavid7648]

The Ninja 400 has been around for 30+ years so they should have an edge on something. I'm thinking less than one percent of the 450SS owners will ever pay for a track day. As someone else said, it would be interesting to see what the tire difference is.

[@richardchileshe9910]

And what percentage do Ninja 400 take their bikes to the track?

[@nzajflynn]

Been around since 2017..

[@pickle_a_day_keeps_the_dr_away]

I think he's also referring to the zxr400, which were BEASTS on the track. Early 1990s through to the 2000s F3 classes at club level were dominated by Kawasaki's

[@derrick8631]

Whens the SCORPION EXO-R420 HELMET restock

[@RBG0913]

you feel comfortably in the ninja because you have one as a track bike already hahaha

[@in-a-godda-da-vida]

At the end I was wondering if you were going to do the Brittany knife dance…

[@alizaka1467]

Dang, the lap times were faster on the CF Moto that's crazy despite Brandon not having a feel for the ABS

[@paulstack2431]

Awesome comparison ' its interesting that subjectivity you guys liked the Ninjas handling but on the stopwatch the 450 was faster !!

[@piemasta93]

I’m still getting the 450. There’s so much more value and I won’t be talking to the track often and as a new rider I’m not going to notice 3sec. I’ll have fun either way

[@mattcrad8605]

As someone who has never done track days, is the hi-vis shirt even beneficial from a saftey perspective on a clear day? Looks like a total PITA.

[@DocAwesum]

Might there have been riding past the power on the 450? I thought I remembered the peak power @ ~9k, with ~2k of safe overrun for stretching a gear into a close turn or pre-engagement downshifts. I don't know the dyno shape on the 450; but usually the integral of tq below peak power is higher than that of tq above pk power. Could the CFMoto have been a bit quicker if targeting 8-9.5k than it was with higher rev targets?

[@victorsturdivant4731]

Brandon seems to really be able to wring out those small bikes. He looks fast.

[@myballshurt832]

I like the cfmoto 450ss because of its looks, it looks so smooth in my opinion... And also i just like cfmoto in general.

[@bigfootgarage2201]

I think it’s so hard to compare any 400cc bike to the ninja 400 because it’s so FUCKIN GOOD

[@akoypinoyi]

It’s not the same because both of you guys are obviously a Japanese bike lover and that’s difficult for both of you to feel it when you’re riding it,and if you’re going to try to race with the other riders who feels the 450SR very well..your Ninja 400 will not going to have any chance to win on the race track,that’s the reality

[@Ray-mm1xg]

Of course people have bias on something over something else, you can’t deny it.

[@animaniactv1385]

And you are cfmoto lover?

[@richardchileshe9910]

So true. They can push the Ninja because they know it's full capabilities, where as the CF is new to them and will take more than a few laps to push it more than they should.

[@akoypinoyi]

@@animaniactv1385 ,not really,just saying the reality that the 450 SR is way faster than Ninja 400 and there’s a lot of videos that proved it,these Dude’s just cannot accept the power of the 450 SR

[@SludgedB]

@@akoypinoyiI think they can accept it, they just haven’t chosen to yet

[@higgyohiggins4380]

Obviously the Ninja 400 doesn’t have the stock exhaust. That alone probably makes no difference, but was it not possible to get an actually box-stock Ninja for the comparison?

[@judge831]

I really just don't like the way either of them sound. The Aprilia 660 engine sounds significant better than any other twin besides the Ducati L twin

[@Goodpizzaa]

lol actual funny ending there

[@arvacon]

Don't forget that this cf, has not adjustable front fork, so it is what it is. From what I read and I can see at the videos, it leans to the soft side. Now that the new sr-s model has adjustments, let's repeat this test.

[@countryguywithcamera]

How difficult would it be to disable abs, and are the hard parts that were scrapping in turns removable? Might make a pretty good optic

[@avefenixml]

Well if CFmoto 450ss still new only time will tell, like the ninja already make history so if they decide to make some changes at least on power that will be a different beast, like 400 RR, but at the end enjoy what you have or wherever you planing to get that’s what matter. No bike it’s perfect!

[@Keskaal]

what track do you ride at? all the ones here in Cali *nothern* require no mirrors and the full track setup *taped lights and such*

[@kenbowlus2995]

They're at a track in Texas..... just one more reason to leave Kommiefornia for Texas.

[@deathwish8339]

You just need to tape off your mirrors like your lights at thunder Hill and Buttonwillow.

[@PandaBearShenyu]

450ss looks and sounds way better than Ninja and imo the "having the work for it" is a confidence and familiarity thing.

[@alvasg550]

the 400 has much better aftermarket considering it has been used in lots of entry level classes for years, so if you want a beginner track bike, the Ninja seems to be the better option.

[@carlfreiermuth5424]

now how about a comparison with both of them having good tires.. put some michelins on both of them

[@inmotion81]

I really like that 450ss

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

Ninja 400 is still king. The CF Moto is fine and still a good bike, but for fun factor that little Ninja is still so fun…

[@richardchileshe9910]

2,21 v 2.22 sec a lap. It's funny that the Ninja fan boys only come back is, I'd still get the Ninja coz it's more fun. So not only does it have boring looks, crappy LCD v TFT, no features like bike tracker, shift rev change indicator, sat-nav, no Abs (without paying for the option), better forks and breaks, you would still choose the Ninja coz it's slower?

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

@@richardchileshe9910 I could care less about LCD/TFT on any bike. I care more about what type of information is displayed vs how it’s displayed. The Ninja is the better bike to modify. The suspension isn’t really any better aside from the fact that it’s upside down. The brakes are better but those aren’t hard to upgrade…

[@onionsensei8523]

​@@richardchileshe9910I personally want a bike to have fun and not to go fast. If I wanted to go fast I would get a 600 or smt. The CF MOTO looks like a great bike don't get me wrong and maybe someday I'll get it but for now I'm happy with my ninja.

[@hexadecimal1517]

@@onionsensei8523 by the time you want to upgrade, the bigger SR variants will be out. That 675SR/SS is like their take on a Triumph Daytona.

[@motogeo9978]

Ninja 400 sounds like diesel generator or mower 😂😂

[@richardbranton190]

Good thing you are good at making videos because I don't think you would make it as a singer 😂. Just my opinion but great video

[@jundhelgarcia4993]

Are you using stock tires on cfmoto 450?

[@racersrush]

The clearance issues on the CF Moto are a bit disappointing. To be scraping hard parts with those tires is a bit too soon... They could do some easily adjustable pegs and handlebars to "switch" the bike into a track mode with more clearance. I am really curious about the new Aprilia, I expect it to be the best.

[@Rickmac22]

Boom!

[@justinhenderson4901]

I wanna fly away🙌🏻🤘🏻🤣

[@kevinmarshall5102]

Cf moto looks cool but that ninja kick from 8-12!

[@BakerBikerGeshe]

I dont know where my soul is either Papi Yams...

[@stepestrella]

More choices = Riders will be happier

[@sage95maker]

17:15 which bike passed by?

[@SKEEZOTHEREALSKEEZO]

That ninja tho 🔥

[@lillypillie6469]

Honestly I am curious if the CFMoto is a good bike based on the logistics of components for your oil changes and such. The ninja basically has everything already setup. Meanwhile most of CFMoto’s stuff can take a while before you have parts and fluids for the new bike. Dunno if that makes it a good option or a bad option compared to the Ninja 400. Curious about your thoughts on this matter @yammienoob ?

[@rustyshackleford9362]

Right. I can go to O'Reilly's and buy oil filters for my ninja, but will the CFM be just as easy? Dunno

[@hypedtarzan]

​@rustyshackleford9362 you can buy a k&n oil filter for the 450. OEM you can't. Filters are still on back order since 3 months ago

[@AdeptusAmogus]

600 mile break in service for the 450 was quoted at $550 at the dealership near me. Same dealership did the Ninja 400 break in service for $275.

[@PrincessDeadend]

wait, so the abs being "intrusive"? is this GOOD for beginner riders? or bad im confused

[@TzDavid95]

ABS is great for beginners, remember if you're on public roads ABS helps so much because you're not racing around on public roads. ABS helps apply the brakes alot smoother reducing/preventing the chance of the wheels locking up. If you're on track you want more control over the feel of the brakes so having ABS takes alot of that feel away, so that's why it's " intrusive " having the feel over the brakes helps alot more as you can trail brake as you go into the corner alot better. Some race cars use ABS like GT3 for example, but they can control the amount of ABS is applied

[@jarrolightfeather4703]

I got Cfmoto 450sr and yes the ABS is too protective to u it's no fun but for safety it's the best Since it's for beginners it's good for them

[@NewGuy-pt7ij]

Please remove the abs fuse and repeat.

[@joshuashapin3400]

nice

[@mr.quackersjunior8000]

while watching, I was curious about something, if you are red lining your back and accidentally downshift (or you accidentally downsift twice) what happens? Like the RPMs would be off the charts, would your engine just stop and you high side?

[@hexadecimal1517]

They have a slipper clutch, it'll just slip so the RPMs of the engine and wheel matches. That's what they were designed for.

[@The_LoFi_Piano_Guy]

I’m on my 3rd 400

[@121080hulk]

what happened to the first 2 😂😂

[@The_LoFi_Piano_Guy]

@@121080hulk sold them to finance a house as well as buying and selling bikes. The first was a z400 owned it for two seasons and it was my first bike. Sold it and my rebuilt 2018 n650 to put a down payment on my first house. The second one was a rebuild that I bought to flip and finance a 2020 n650 rebuild. The third I bought just to keep in my stable. Were you implying something bad happened to my first 2?

[@antdonn]

Take thouse cornner any wider and you’ll be in a diffrent state !

[@e99783]

The center of gravity is too high in the cfmoto 450 ss, that is why it feels like it requires much more effort to ride than the ninja

[@jimos9878]

HAHAHAHAHAH the last scene got me crying of laugh

[@Gilgamesh203]

You could’ve said “ everything on this bike is better than the ninja 400 but comee on guys its Chinese so…..”. + the ninja 400 is the worst looking sport bike I’ve ever seen in my life.

[@carlfreiermuth5424]

meanwhile I think the 400 has the best looks.. what I really like is the old Yamaha YZF600R.. I don't like the insectoid look of most modern spork bikes.. Plus their little tiny two-piece seats suck. triumph had a nice sport touring bike that had the hot looks too.. I like the fuller rounded '90s style personally

[@butterbutt1985]

now let gixxerbrah squid around on it

[@frederickpare5966]

CFMOTO is making Kawasaki upgrade their beginner bike to Ninja 500 which should be Ninja 450. I’m okay with the Ninja 400 but looking for a good used one on sale.

[@yohaan9]

CF Moto is actually making pretty good bikes

[@richardchileshe9910]

It's funny that the Ninja fan boys only come back is, I'd still get the Ninja coz it's more fun. So not only does it have boring looks, crappy LCD v TFT, no features like bike tracker, shift rev change indicator, sat-nav, no Abs (without paying for the option), better forks and breaks, you would still choose the Ninja coz it's slower?

[@yohaan9]

@@richardchileshe9910 I didn't say I'd get the Ninja :/ I actually like the CF Moto better for what it offers AND the N400 isn't available in my country, instead the N300 is so choosing the 450 is a no brainer for me. Though, tbh, I'm saving for the RS 457 😂

[@county_bear9509]

​@@richardchileshe9910ratio keyboard warrior.

[@SERseph]

yes.cfmoto is really good. unfortunately the parts availability is still not good in our place😢

[@yohaan9]

@@SERseph same 🥲

[@Ortisan_Official]

Lmao im always singing that at work when im unlaodong stuff

[@Massachusettsmorons]

I just bought a 450ss and I came from a 600cc benelli. I’m gonna say it I’m much faster on a smaller bike than a bigger bike. I can carry corners way better and faster having a lighter motorcycle with plenty of power. Is it gonna win drag races? Absolutely not but if you want straight line performance you shouldn’t be on a motorcycle to begin with

[@MacalusoWoodworking4777]

Man I wish I could win that ninja 400

[@scottporter0069]

All that and all you both had to complain about was the breaks being intrusive? ABS on.. Turn off that great road feature go out and try again..

[@ritwik0]

Aprilia RS 457 will likely trump both

[@Raeodor]

To be fair, you race a ninja 400, so you have years of experience on it. You both also mentioned the modded 400. Both are damn close though, on the road there would be no difference.

[@kristopherhogg4578]

Nothing like a little nelly Furtado to end a video lmao

[@HeldIntegral]

Cfmoto 450 = 🌲 Ninja 400 = 🎄

[@stevecribbs9247]

As a CFMoto 650 owner, out of these two, I'd pick the Ninja. The reason is that I'd not worry about reliability and dealer availability, plus it seems to be more enjoyable for the riders. My CFMoto is likely not quite as good as an ER6N but was much cheaper to buy, where, these two are virtually the same price.

[@divinegod4281]

450 SS all-day more bang for your bucks if the Ninja upgraded their lights and dash I would've bought it. Cool vid.

[@antr20.]

СF вложил много денег в раскрутку и блогеров. Но разве Voge 525r не лучше. С TC base

[@spiritriderjk]

You are letting off throttle way too much and using way too little of the track.

[@tsj491]

its because they don't own the cfmoto 450, thats why they are letting off throttle to much =D

[@mataribic3033]

Good yob cfmoto!!

[@cesarluis6335]

I want a 450ss but it cost so much money

[@LordHolley]

It's great that we have another bike to choose from, and obviously time will tell, but I can't believe anybody would choose the CF450 over the Ninja 400. There's no significant advantage to buying an unproven off-brand bike like that. There's no way the CF450 is gonna hold resale like the Ninja 400, It's not significantly less expensive (in fact it costs more), It's not faster, The aftermarket as well as support is incredibly low. I just see no advantage to rolling the dice on something unproven versus something that has already known and loved.

[@vigilant.]

Cfmoto 🔥