CFMOTO 800MT ‖ I agree with everyone else 😀

[@index6738]

CFMOTO MT engines not had Cam failure. Older head lubrication design problem remedied long ago circa 2019. Predates CFMOTO production.

[@darrengibbons7588]

I test rode that very bike at Midwest moto and absolutely concur with your findings . So much so that I bought one pick mine up this week . Am I looking forward to it absolutely!! And looking forward to prove the doubters wrong .

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Thanks Darren, hope you enjoy your new bike!

[@Fpn2005]

Great video mate. Thank you. This is the best bike I’ve owned. I’ve traditionally ridden Suzuki for 20 years, and this bike I’m afraid to say for Suzuki, is so much better value for money. I would genuinely choose this bike over Suzuki even at the same price.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

That's great feedback, thanks Nigel 😊

[@ianhalliwell8604]

Shaun isn't the elephant in the room on this bike not Chinese build quality but KTM engine build quality. Listening this week to Freddie Dobbs reading out numerous comments from owners regarding camshaft problems and many on social media saying the same it really puts me off this engine and therefore the bike.

[@christopherpekel6096]

This bike doesn't have the cam issues. Its been fixed

[@marksimpson5218]

KTM engine? I can’t go past a Tenere that will do 200k miles & just be run in.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

KTM is having a terrible year, profits down, less bikes sold. Reducing workforce and moving production overseas.... public knowledge by the way I read it in MCN...

[@CfmotoMt800]

The engine don’t have those cam problem. People that keeps mention this have no idea how good this bike this is. Better than the T7 by far. Sold mine T7 after tested the mt800 -23 and bought one. The engine is fantastic! 2100km so far and runs perfect.

[@ivanrushtonthelonewolfrides]

Hi I have the Explore new in March 2024. But made November 23. My fuelling is awefull between3and4k revs at times un rideable. So disappointing on the flagship model. Needs sorting soon only updates have been for the TFT screen. Needs someone to do an aftermarket ECU flash

[@johnharvey5338]

They did a remap on the throttle and you can download it rather than having to take it to a dealer, the valve issue seems to have more with tighter valve clearance on some valves causing excessive ware, rode the Kove 800 pro and was very impressed with the engine and only £8499 on the road.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Thanks John that's useful info, didn't know you could download it. Nice comment 👍

[@cyborgevo1]

Where is the download located because the jerky throttle is really bugging me ?

[@johnharvey5338]

@@cyborgevo1 from what I seen and heard if you download the CF app and pair to your bike there is an option to download updates, watched someone do it on a Utube video, that impressed me which is why I remembered

[@markfortin8286]

Great point about parts availability, because that goes hand-in-hand with warranty work actually getting done if it's needed!

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Thank you Mark, to be honest as I do this more and more I learn from comments and conversations and people's experiences. I can give a more complete appraisal of the ownership experiences. I've been stung myself on resale, for example... good things to mention.

[@richardjohnson3463]

I'm not in the market but not sure if I'd have the confidence to buy one of these if I was 🤔. Your videos just get better and better, very well done

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Thanks Richard appreciate the vote of confidence 👍 👏 😀

[@thebingleywheeler]

Thanks for the mention Sean. Bike still going strong thanks and delivering in spades. And yes if you’re not careful the front wheel will come up! 😂 Ride safe buddy 👍🏻

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Thanks Dave, appreciate it. Glad your bike is going well. 👍😀

[@hectorshouse7348]

The ‘chocolate’ cams trouble me

[@seanobrien5520]

Do some homework 😉

[@hectorshouse7348]

@@benplaysbass2491 this is a lot of bike for £6800…take your chances if you like…I won’t 👍

[@WyreForestBiker]

@@benplaysbass2491 ..and you automatically believe the company that built the engines that have so damaged KTM's reputation ?

[@benplaysbass2491]

@@WyreForestBiker sure do mate. I own an 800MT. You can literally see the difference in the cylinder head. It’s one of the very few parts that aren’t interchangeable. FFS

[@alrightdave6135]

​@@benplaysbass2491yet...

[@simonward3221]

I brought the same bike as well happy so far after 200 miles. Fuelling still not brilliant. Love the video

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Thank you Simon, good summer deal you got on the bike 🏍 👍

[@sportmuaythaiv1045]

CFMoto 450MT is notoriously known for poor low RPM throttle response. CFMoto recently has remedy with fuel mapping that you can load it yourself. May be your dealer has similar updated mapping to help your 800MT, for free.

[@althescottishbiker]

I rode the 800nk today. It’s a quick bike. The dealer told me there is a new map due for the MT that will give it more power. I need to try one but I prefer something lighter.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

How much is the 800NK in kg then? I was at the dealer and a chap with a S1000RR was looking at one... it must be quick 😂😂

[@althescottishbiker]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist it’s listed at 186kg. It did feel light.

[@leegreveson]

Nothing to do with the bike, I'm no longer in the market, but the price of panniers is just ridiculous 😮 Break it down to what they are, (bags!) talk about overpriced! Then there's the racking hardware to mount them to the bike which is obviously bike specific. Have they even heard of having a standard? Something like ISOFix 😂 So I bought some semi rigid (but expandable) eBay specials for £30. If they only last a few trips it'd be worth it 😅 Great video again Sean, it's not easy remembering a bunch of stuff to monologue about on video whilst riding. Plus the pillion leg position looks relaxing I'd have thought, Suze (in the studio 😅)

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Haha thanks Lee, you know there's been a couple of people on here who I've chatted too in the comments who've then gone out and set up their own channels! You're in a good point in your bike journey Lee! Could do one on your new pannier set up? Loads of people don't want to be ripped off it's a common theme! Cheers 👍😊

[@robertstuck3214]

Great bike, but I bet it doesn’t stay in the line up once the CFMOTO 800MT-X starts hitting the showroom floor. It is a far superior bike over the MT. I also think it is priced a little high. I think the sweet spot is $9,500 USD.

[@67daltonknox]

The KTM 790 engine has been plagued with problems. Leaks, both oil and water in the short term and cam failures long term. A friend went to the local dealer looking to buy one. They told him that they were more trouble than they're worth and steered him to a BMW. I own a KTM (1290 SAS) but I wouldn't go near the 790/890.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

People will argue that the CF post dates these issues... otherwise valid comment.

[@67daltonknox]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist I wonder about that because there are posts on KZbin in the last few weeks of more 790s with camshaft issues. If the problems are not sorted on KTMs, why would they be any better on the CFs?

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

To be honest I don't know enough about it to argue either way. I wouldn't spend that much on a bike at ktm levels. The bingly Wheeler is a good channel, he has this CF moto as a channel bike and he's covered the ktm issue...

[@crumblymal8479]

I like these Sean great value goes well looks good i'm not really an adventure bike fan but I think this is a great proposition as you have mentioned the after market parts a care are important and I am sure it's something that will only improve as the bike has and will so yep why wouldn't you if it's a style your looking for . I am sure the stigma that is currently carried being chinese will subside as it did with the Japanese bikes many years ago when they first came out Nice one !👌👍

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

I agree Crumbly, the anti China comments grow less and less even in the last couple of years. MCN are now reporting on Voge, CF and Kove. The little brands are getting there. I support them as it means more riders or younger riders or those on a budget can get into biking or even better an adventure!

[@arthurramm8664]

The difference between Japan in the seventies and China in 2024 is the military ambitions of their country. Buy a Chinese bike and you are making a contribution to the Chinese military which is on a collision course with the West.

[@rickasker]

I’ve only just found your channel. The first vid I came across was your Himalayan 450 and CFMoto 450MT comparison. Great video by the way, even if it didn’t help me make up my mind 😂 I’m currently deciding which of those two bikes to add to my stable. I test rode the MT about three weeks ago but haven’t ridden the Himalayan yet. I prefer the look of the Himalayan but the tech and ability of the MT. I was very very impressed with the MT test ride. The RE will have a tough job to beat it. 🤔 I live on the Algarve and the two main summer months July and August are brutal, (40°c plus), so I don’t tend to use my bikes again until it starts to cool down in September. Full bike gear when it’s over 40° can be at the very least uncomfortable and with any extended rides bringing the risk of heat stroke if not properly hydrated. The summer literally arrived very suddenly about three days after my test ride on the MT, which is why I haven’t got round to test riding the Himalayan yet. I really need to man up and book a test ride so I can order whichever bike I decide on.. 🤗 I see you and Susie have recently been to Portugal, 😀👍 I haven’t had chance to watch those videos yet, (literally just subscribed to your channel), but it is a perfect country for motorcycles.. well apart from the two summer months which are are too hot for me to ride. Anyway, great content and I look forward to watching more of your content.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Great comment thanks Rick. I think the Enfield and the CF do trade blows, perhaps the CF is better specced and smoother being a twin but the RE will have better resale and support with accessories and parts and so on. I'd be happy with either tbh. Oh Portugal, wow just wow. We had a magical time. I was taken out to see all the roads north of the A22 by a British biker called Jez, amazing guy. Typically I guess of the community over there. We are coming back hopefully late this year or next spring, it's our favoured place 😀. Anyway thanks so much for the comment and pleased you subscribed. 😀

[@rickasker]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist Sean, do come back and explore some more you’ll have a great time 😀👍. I know what you mean about north of the A22 (I just outside the town of Silves) and there are some stunning roads. I want a smaller bike (MT or Himalayan) so I can explore the 1000’s of miles of gravel roads we have here. I feel that my 1250GS is too heavy for off road (the bike is capable, I’m not), and my wife has ‘appropriated’ my KTM 390 😂

[@malone-np3ip]

Like your attitude am the same never adjusted suspension 40 years on bikes good have laid back average guy test bikes

[@exeterrider]

Good to hear your thoughts on it Sean. I enjoyed the ride on it. Hopfully the brand will do well 👍😎

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Thanks ER, nice video the other day for the KZbinrs! Probably won't get the same traction as a review but man there was a lot of useful stuff in there! Cheers.

[@exeterrider]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist I stick one of those in every now and then. Breaks it up a bit. Cheers 👍

[@johnratcliffe4105]

Look like a great package for the money.. Looks good too. 3 question marks though...... Long term reliability, parts availability ( warranties rely on this) and future resale value.... Time will tell..😉

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Very astute John, those are the big three, I guess you've got to go into it knowing you're saving up front but potentially losing money down the road...

[@coreyyancey9272]

Loving my T model

[@nicholasjarrold8649]

Still not sure in my head about taking a gamble on a Chinese motorcycle it’s only my head saying no but if you look at the savings you make it is very tempting I know if I bought one and saved that money from a top brand I’d be waiting for it to break down for 1st 6 months and interfering with the ride see it’s all in my head such a big decision great video of a great looking bike thankyou

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Thanks Nicolas, appreciate the comment 👍

[@warrenseiboth3466]

Chinese bikes and cars are taking over the market get used to it

[@CollinMac96]

For now I’ll stick with the 2024 vstrom 650. I’ll give cf moto a chance after maybe 4 years. I’m waiting to see some forum posts from owners who have 50k plus miles so I can see its long term reliability. I do heavy commuting on a bike so I need to make sure it will last

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Fair comment Collin, forum posts are a great source of info... thanks 👍

[@cyborgevo1]

How did you find the fly by wire throttle ?

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

I'm going to say electronic throttle and mechanical throttle from now on, this fly by wire/cable is confusing to me at least 😅

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Hahahaha ​@@stevedriver1376

[@firestorm755]

A couple of months back I found out that you could buy one of these for £6700. Then I started doing a bit of research and discovered the whole KTM cam problem. It's put me right off now. I've not actually seen any reports of CF Moto bikes being affected but I'm not taking the risk now. If KTM had owned the problem then I think it might be different.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Fair enough, know one really knows which bikes are affected and what years at least I haven't heard!

[@davidskaggs9914]

I'll stick with Honda Transalp 750

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Fair, nice bike I need to ride one 😀

[@SS-ck3ew]

Thank you for this review! It was fun and interesting versus some (none of which are yours!) which are dumb and intredasting. ;-) So many Enthusiastic Adventure Types (EAT!) will readily belittle this bike for weight, the cast wheels and more. Given the acronym I created for these sullen sulkers it should come as no surprise that they could stand to lose more weight than the bike. The motorbike carries us, we do not carry the bike. Most people are terribly weak and could stand to exercise but they would rather bitch and moan about things beyond their ability to change all the while stuffing their face. Pffffft! This style/genre of motorbike is the new touring motorbike of choice for a great many people and with good reason. For those that care not for this or other such bikes I have no doubt they wrinkle their piggy little nose up at SUVs. People buy SUVs because the "U" really stands for "Useful". Detractors bemoan the truth that most such vehicles as the 800MT (and SUVs) will never see any off road time. They ride sAdventure bikes. What did Tony Stark say in that first Iron Man film? "This is the FunVee, you're in the HumVee"? If CFMoto and KTM can produce these and sell them at a relatively affordable price point then good for us all! In Great Britain you get a 4 year warranty! HUZZAH!!! That's twice what we get so on that note I am happy for England. The Chinese are like the Japanese were when first they came to our shores. But actually better. My problem is if the company is ChiCom based. Chinese Communists. Some will balk about the very real possibility of "poor resale value". I buy motorcycles to ride and enjoy. I generally keep a bike for at least 10 years. It's not that resale doesn't mean anything to me but that real world value does. By that I mean, is the bike fun, reliable, get good mpg and more?! If it does, that is value enough to me. Nothing holds its value anymore Not BMW. Not HD. Not a thing. Keep your bike for more than a couple of years to get your "money's worth" out of it instead of feeeeling (obviously not thinking) you neeeeeeeeeeeeeed a gnu (yes, "GNU"!) motorcycle when you probably don't. Pat yourself on the back instead of stabbing yourself in the back. Enough common sense. This was an insightful, real world (loaded with common sense!) useful review. Thank you both! SS in commiefornia USA

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Great common sense comment. I am believe it or not in the gym writing this reply. I don't want to get to the stage where i struggle to move bikes about so I started back. My pal who never misses a session since 18 he struggled to move a BMW1250GS when in gravel or even slightly off road. That is a very big bike! Yes the way to true value in riding is to not endlessly be sucked into the new bike mentality. I'll of had my secondhand BSA now for a year in September and I intend to keep it for a year after that, I've done a few bike changes in quick succession buying new (low value bikes admittedly) but lost money in part ex each time. No more! As far as the 'commie' threat, Mccartherism is now over or should be. I believe there's bad actors all over the world. I read a book on the politics or war recently and you wouldn't believe how much Churchill, Roosevelt and later Truman negotiated with Stalin and propped up a corrupt and feckless Chiang Ki Shek. 1943 on was essentially dividing up the world according to spheres of influence 😂. Crazy went on and no doubt still does behind the scenes... Thanks for the comment!

[@davoruric2637]

KTM camshafts

[@coreyyancey9272]

Has been fixed

[@simongilbert2704]

a lot of bike for the money ;;; the spares are still a big problem ;;;

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

I see it as you save money up front but might lose more in the long run!

[@michaelreid5307]

Sorry but China just doesn't have the ability to manufacture in the same way that Honda etc do. Fine it's a new bike but let's review again in 4 years and see how things go.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

My counter to this is that they can build 100km of elevated roadway through the mountains in 3months (my local 1mile ring road works have been dragging on for 4 years), they've got a train that floats over magnets at 400kph and a space programme. They certainly put us to shame at the moment...

[@kfkwAL7]

Honda literally builds cars and motorcycles in China!

[@simonward3221]

I got the luggage free with mine got mine for 6799 on the road

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Incredible deal there! I wish you well with the new bike 👏👍😊

[@johnharris7353]

Distraction by all the buttons and switches. Crash ! All that shit is going to break ! Good luck !

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Hence why I ride a BSA Golstar, I'm crap at all the infotainment stuff 😂😂

[@b.kune.4073]

Dont buy Chinese.

[@jc670207]

How ridiculous. I hope you will remove ALL the Chinese products and component you have in your home, things like iPhone and iPad

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

How did you right that message 'don't buy Chinese?' All phone and computer parts made in China

[@1990-t1j]

Too long. Sorry.

[@1990-t1j]

@@stephenmundane Haha!

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Train your attention span man! You have been watching too much tik tok 😂.

[@1990-t1j]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist I don't have the time to watch such long videos. I never watch TikTok. Haha!