CFP Reaction Special | OhioSt + Texas + PennSt + ND Roll | Transfer Portal Intel | Fix The Playoff

[@JoshPateCFB]

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[@JimmyStratton-wc1lk]

Oregon is gonna whoop them

[@nochilllwill]

bring back the BCS!

[@chriswalz6680]

saying ole miss would’ve gone into south bend and won is asinine

[@JoshPateCFB]

@@chriswalz6680 why?

[@chriswalz6680]

@ not saying it can’t happen, as every team has been beatable this season (oregon excluded), but to say it would’ve happened is ridiculous. ole miss has looked great at times and has also looked below average during their 3 losses to solid/below average teams. just as ND has the worst loss in the country and then beat the brakes off of every other opponent. as you said, we don’t know if ole miss would’ve beaten ND and its ridiculous to suggest any outcome for a hypothetical matchup. then again, the SEC is always undefeated in hypothetical matchups.

[@TMAC803210]

Josh, your segment breaking down the format and the spirit of competition was one of the best summaries I’ve heard. Well done and keep speaking sanity to those losing it!

[@IMO4SHO]

DAWGS fan here. Ohio St looked absolutely unbelievably good. SMU looked like a high school team. Texas did as expected. Notre Dame did the same. Even in the 4-team playoff, we had blowouts every year. After this weekend, hopefully, people will understand that rivalry games are not a good predictor of a team's status as a title contender. The only major change I would make would be the seeding of the top 4 teams, and that may or may not include UGA. I'm just laying it out, guys. Are there others who could have played better than this week's teams? Possibly. Are there ways to ensure that we'll see last-second 1-point victories in every playoff game? No. So let's just enjoy the greatest game on earth, and best of luck to everyone who moved on.

[@T-Dotwanderer]

I agree with re-seeding..... Treat ACC like a Group of 6... 2 highest power Conference get byes other 4 conference winners in but seeded by rank

[@michaelmorris6406]

Good luck to Georgia too. I'm Irish 🍀 fan. I'm very happy we get to play you guys. I have tons of respect for Georgia and your coach. And most of your fans. I love the new playoffs I just love it. See you in the funny papers. Good luck Dawg Nation. Go Irish 🍀

[@ProdigalSonMatt]

@@IMO4SHO very reasonable takes.

[@IMO4SHO]

@michaelmorris6406 And the same to the Irish, my friend.

[@joshwalker5018]

As a Texas fan I couldn’t agree more. Best argument I’ve seen on the subject. Blowouts aren’t anything new to the sport.

[@turkeyslammer9549]

I BEGGED my fiancé to come w me from Ga to “witness history”. 8hrs to sit in 15° and watch Nico get his skull caved in for 4hrs. OSU fans were awesome, the stadium was BEAUTIFUL, and the band was amazing as expected. I was so proud of the fans but holy fuck did our team let us down

[@TheKillerNut]

As an OSU fan I was really impressed with Nico. When he didn’t see anything open he used his legs and made something happen. He didn’t force stupid throws, he made very bitter lemonade out of lemons. He honestly did the best he could have with the crappy hand our defense gave him. If he was Lamar Jackson he might have kept it a close game, but not everybody can be or wants to be lamar Jackson. Yall got a baller man, keep treating him right. I didn’t attend the game but I was a 4 year member of TBDBITL and I’m glad you had as good of a time as possible in Columbus. Also your band director is a TBDBITL alum so that’s a cool connection. Thanks for coming up brother, keep beating bama!

[@suitestheband]

she loves you

[@jeffreyprice9790]

Tennessee fans were a little too optimistic. I heard alot of you guys suggest you would blow us out. You guys have came a long way to get out of obscurity but this Saturday should show you how far you have to go

[@bc5208]

🤣🤣🤣 all I could picture all weekend was a bunch of the Tennessee SEC fan boys & their cousins going to the game in the cold

[@turkeyslammer9549]

@@jeffreyprice9790 yea it’s a depressing barometer

[@AustinMGoodman]

Tennessee lost so bad Pate talked about Michigan again.

[@bradleythomas59]

He hates Michigan

[@Soadsgotaload]

I remember that Boise State Fiesta Bowl back in 2007 was the first college football game I ever watched (previously an NFL fan) and I instantly became a college football fan and never looked back.

[@davidkreitzer4401]

I was at that game too. It was cold inside, that surprised me.

[@ThreadAndCircuses1]

Ha, I remember the first games I watched, 2001 AFC and NFC championship games, good times.

[@dannygillespie6614]

Me too. I was 12 at the time. One of my earliest sports memories apart from Colts games.

[@RagedContinuum]

hopefully they re-peat against penn-state

[@matthewlowry776]

@@ThreadAndCircuses1better times in the nfl the product was so much better then, then now. You can’t hit anyone in pro football. The viewership might be super high for the nfl but it’s not because product is better it’s because of sports betting and fantasy football

[@dannygillespie6614]

I was 12 for Boise State Oklahoma. It's my earliest college football memory, and still one of the greatest games ever played.

[@patrickmcisaac3142]

Nobody has pointed this out, but if the field actually goes "chalk" then the cfp committee looks incredible.

[@Eidolon98]

“Is that where you want to be when Jesus comes back, calling SMU a fraud?” Has to be one of my top 3 JP quotes

[@trevorjohnson6944]

I would have liked to hear more on Tennessee. Especially since all week we heard from their fans and the media about how they had a real shot to win. I know Josh didn't pick them to win, but wanted to hear his take on what it means for their program. Think they've hit their ceiling with Heupel.

[@bbd1920]

They just hit a really great team after a loss that shouldn't have happened. They were playing for their coach and for their dignity! Tennessee is a good team with a good coach. I would think twice before throwing their coach away. Everyone knew Ohio State would come out strong to defend their PRIDE. Michigan embarrassed them at home. They were a great team with something to prove! Congratulations, Buckeyes'!!! Also, Rockytop, you are a year or two away from greatness if you can keep your team together!

[@lawrencematthes8948]

​@@bbd1920I agree 💯. Bad timing for the Vols

[@capps2015]

I think we studied the Michigan film too hard. Also the same issues that hurt us all year were still very apparent. We have fed off mistakes of the other team and OSU made only one mistake. OSU also played pissed off. OSU finally used the weapons the weapons they had all year effectively. I can't put this loss on Heupel being subpar as much as I can of Ryan Day and Chip Kelly finally wising up.

[@lawrencematthes8948]

Not to worry. Josh will never not give Tennessee or any other SEC school their due diligence. Just not tonight. Stay tuned...

[@RushFanatic87]

I wouldn’t say they’ve hit their ceiling yet. Heupel has built Tennessee into a real threat. Tennessee had some key injuries on both sides down the stretch and ran into a hyper-energized Ohio State team.

[@lisascherer527]

Thank you, Josh! We have over 50,000 graduates each year from Ohio State and a lot of us are embarrassed by the fringe nutty fans calling for Day’s job. But there are fringe fans everywhere but we just have a huge fan base and so the minority of crazies are more noticeable. Go Bucks!

[@jayhawkjd8565]

THE Ohio State has around 50K total enrollment at any given time. Around 12K graduates. Just food for thought.

[@jasonsaenz2367]

@@jayhawkjd8565Lisa did not graduate

[@shewr4664]

@@jayhawkjd8565is this the debate? Enrollment vs graduation are apples n oranges

[@Steven_ElkCity182]

@@shewr4664It isn’t the debate at all, but it is a supposed fact being corrected.

[@Jn90974]

As someone who knows many Ohio St fans, I live in southeast Michigan not far from Toledo, both lifetime fans from the state and people who attended school there, there is absolutely nothing fringe about fans calling for his job. It has been 50/50, if not the majority of hardcore fans. The fans that truly understand the importance of the rivalry. I'm a Michigan fan and I hope they would have fired him because it would be hilarious and it would be a bad move for the program. But if you go to Ohio and poll hard core fans, you'll find that they are done being patient with him. I'm sure most undergrads there who never cared about college football until they got to campus do think the hardcore fans are nuts. But that's because the level of passion just isn't the same.

[@DanielSmith-yu4is]

One positive for the first round: officiating was the best it’s been all year. They let them play, didn’t inject themselves into the game and change the momentum and very few egregious calls.

[@alexbabinski7318]

As a buckeye fan in the stadium, I felt gluttonous leaving the stadium angry knowing a PI on the tenn interception not called and a dumb roughing the passer on the osu interception called were the only things that gave some momentum and points to tennessee in that second quarter. Otherwise no complaints 😂

[@jeffreyprice9790]

Facts both calls or lack there of were egregious. I call those decisions ratings savers. They didnt want everyone tuning out 28-0 so they kept it close momentarily. I can say josh is very wrong i eas never worried about Tennessee before the game half time or anytime. ​@alexbabinski7318

[@robryno]

When none of the games are in doubt, you don't talk about officiating

[@thomaskelly3265]

If I owned a brand, I'd want Josh to treat mine the same way he treats Academy Sports.

[@Mookie73242]

Yes, a southern brand for a southern homer. Perfect 😅

[@davidkreitzer4401]

Ohio State wide receivers made insane catches even when completely covered.

[@IFluxWithIt]

Smith gonna dominate in the NFL when he’s finally eligible, kinda looked like a young Julio

[@zackbrandt6012]

As an Ohio state hater ....their recievers do that all the time

[@Edward_USMC13]

You probably don't watch Buckeye games but that's their status quo it's honestly freakish how dominant that receiver program is and JJ Smith is the best yet, my guy literally just turned 19 years old a week ago and you'd be hard-pressed to convince anybody he's not 25 years old. He's a whole ass alien😂

[@jeffreyprice9790]

Completely covered? Osu wrs were running wide open all night

[@Dawgnation4o]

They get 5 star wide receivers every year

[@ProdigalSonMatt]

There will be some casuals that still think Bama should’ve been in… the same team that lost to this Tennessee team.

[@Con27277]

South Carolina should’ve been. No team was hotter

[@Braisedin]

That was months ago neither team is the same team. That's like saying the team that lost to Michigan is the same Ohio State that played Tennessee. Mentalities change week to week. Do you think that Notre Dame would've lost to niu? Don't forget Texas also struggled against vandy. But they rolled through Clemson. No two weeks are the same

[@quantumpotential7639]

I would have loved to see it, and i'm an ND fan. Go Cox!

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

Also the same team that beat Georgia? There will be some casuals that still use reductive arguments, cherry-picking for their points.

[@bobbydyne]

That’s not how football works and you know it lol

[@mauriciotorres9746]

It was great. I loved it. I’m a canes fan and would’ve loved to see cam ward but meaningful college games at this point in the season is wonderful.

[@coltenbratcher6785]

Pate State never misses🤘🏼

[@carlossiu888]

I can't believe you said, with a straight face, that Milroe and King are better throwers than Riley Leonard. You *really* haven't been watching ND games.

[@WillGettinToIt]

He's delusional when it comes to ND. He said that if Ole Miss was in and played at ND, they would've won smh. Ole Miss nor Alabama would've beat ND on Friday night

[@BrianGlaze]

He's not wrong

[@samuel_heinz2649]

@@WillGettinToIt Bama and Ole Miss are much more talented than Notre Dame. Notre Dame did not play the schedule either of those two teams did. They played a single SEC team and it was their staple win. Most will cherry pick Bama and Ole Miss's losses sure -- but their wins makes them far better teams then say Boise State, Arizona State, or SMU. Neither of those 3 teams could beat both Georgia, South Carolina, and another ranked win in an SEC schedule if given that chance (SMU 0-3 against top 25 teams). But a 6-6 SEC or 5-7 SEC team right now has the talent of a 10-2 ACC team or an 11-1 Big 12 team. 5-7 Auburn and 6-6 Oklahoma has the talent of 11-1 Penn State and 11-1 Notre Dame. Playing an SEC schedule week in and out is the toughest thing to do in CFP. Bama and Ole Miss would be favored against Notre Dame on a neutral field.

[@ericmidgette9077]

@@samuel_heinz2649all that talent that Ole Miss Alabama got and you sitting home think about it go, Irish

[@alexa4der632]

Josh, I just wanted to say you make so many great points about the playoffs and expansionism

[@maxwellr2533]

Pates Takes are never wrong

[@hookem33l7]

Josh, I agree that SMU and Indiana had no chance to win a Natty this year, but they’re getting into the playoffs will do wonders for their recruiting especially for a team with deep NIL pockets like SMU. I’m a Texas fan, but think these teams getting in are good for college football because over time it will create more parity. In fact I think it should expand to 16 teams. It creates more interest for more fan bases. And it is possible for a Cinderella to pierce the bubble of a semi final because TCU did it in beating Michigan. Yes, TCU got housed by Georgia, but TCU did beat a great Michigan team that was one year away from winning a natty. So it is possible for a Cinderella to make a deep run into the playoffs. Win? Probably not, but good for college football.. Love your show

[@gregoryfugal4722]

Josh won’t see it this way. He’s too busy licking the boots of the big brands

[@user-tz2zz5ij1s]

It actually has the same reverse effect. Lightning in a bottle year then blown out. Who wants to go to the school that just got blown out and exposed to how far they are behind? Notice TCU hasn’t done anything after getting blown out to Goergia in the Natty? Cincinnati since they made the playoffs?

[@maxrabkin]

@@user-tz2zz5ij1s TCU is 8 wins, potentially 9 this year, and returns almost everyone of note next year. They're a darkhorse B12 and playoff contender for 2025.

[@James-FrankWin]

For the “this will do awesome in recruiting” argument. How is Michigan state, Washington, tcu, Florida state, and Cincinnati recruiting doing in the years after their appearances

[@hookem33l7]

It can’t hurt. How you decide to capitalize on it is key. I think for schools like SMU it absolutely helps. There are quite a bit of Dallas Billionaires that are SMU alumni and my guess is they will lean into NIL. I could be wrong, but I hope I’m not. College football is more interesting with an expanded playoff IMO.

[@Bdon-tf2]

Clemson was still the most competitive out of the 4 losers

[@SurferRC]

Smu too if you take away the 3 unforced turnovers

[@OliverBarganier]

Tennessee isn't no different from Indiana or SMU, college football was a whole lot better this year with the 12 team playoffs

[@xuexxiong]

I like how this weekend went. 1st game IU blownout everybody “IU don’t belong”, 2nd game SMU blown out everybody “SMU don’t belong, 3rd game Clemson blown out everybody “Clemson don’t belong, 4th game Tennessee blown out everybody “ “.

[@jacobehrhart7288]

Can I just say thank you because now I have a video I can show and direct people to, to explain to them my exact thoughts on the playoffs as a whole instead of having to say it 500 times when I am questioned about it

[@jameskelley8002]

Josh’s spirt of competition take was 100% correct people are mad because the playoff was hyped up as a fix to competitive balance, which was a lie, sold to cause expansion and inclusion to teams that never had a chance at making a national title run, but if we are just going to take the power rating of teams there no reason to play the games cause power rating don’t change with results on the field

[@tavianthomas4402]

This is not a take, just a question. Am I the only person who thought, barring their QB putting up some of the absolute most boneheaded plays in a big game ever, the SMU defense and their skill players were not outclassed by Penn State?

[@philipbates9648]

Penn State figured out early that SMU wasn't a threat, so they didn't put much on tape for future opponents and did the bare minimum to win. Why risk injury to your skill players when it isn't necessary?

[@tavianthomas4402]

@philipbates9648 I don't think teams are holding stuff off of film once the playoffs begin. No reason for PSU to be afraid to show what they can do when their next game is against Boise State.

[@jahnvantuttlesma8215]

I agree. SMU had two 1st half scoring opportunities, but came up empty. Combine that with 2 pick sixes, that game could've gone very differently.

[@kylez9094]

Two pick sixes in a game is tough enough but momentum was shot with them so close together. Defense imo was insane given the circumstances

[@jmiller9972]

It all depends on how you define a Cinderella team, i would consider south Carolina a Cinderella team that could of had a shot of winning it all if they would of got in. Even the Cinderella teams that won it all in college basketball were teams from power conferences that had they been in a different conference would of won more games and been a higher seed. That Villanova team that beat Georgetown would of been a higher seed if they weren't in the big east conference

[@Nowledgeman]

Na if sc played Ohio state, it would be the same result. You can't make up those gaps in recruiting when the top teams play their A+ ball

[@skylernd8323]

Stop it with the SC crap. You barely beat Clemson. Stop it

[@ragmanintx]

The disparity between conferences has become so great, that you will have to split the D-1 division to fix this. Add promotion and relegation to push D1B to stay strong.

[@tonkatown8008]

Clemson fan here! Offense is going to be great moving forward. Defense has regressed 3 years in a row since Venables left. I wouldnt expect any changes from that regression unless changes are made

[@DoomPlague]

It's hard to agree with that idea that "even 4 was too many" considering a rank 3 or 4 team won the 4 team playoff what....3 or 4 times? Blowouts happened even in BCS title games but that doesn't "prove" anything either. To me, even if it there's even just 1 team ranked outside the top 4 who wins the championship in the next 10 years, it proves the value of expanding the playoff. The bowl subdivision is too big to leave the championship to a bunch of talking heads (or computers for that matter) who have to figure out who is best based on the limited dataset that is the regular season. I want to see it played out on the field regardless of blowouts. Heck, its not like no one enjoys blowouts. I certainly enjoyed that one last night.

[@Nowledgeman]

So you want a lower floor for the best programs cheapening the value of the regular season? The big ten had 4 teams that werent awful. All got in Blowouts happening in previous eras is evidence that we don't need a playoff. Blowouts are only happening to Cinderella stories and programs like Tennessee who simply don't have the recruiting or nil to stack up to Ohio state yet. So what you are suggesting is teams like Ohio state and bama underperforming during the season should be saved by a playoff cause that's all you are doing

[@DoomPlague]

@@Nowledgeman The season means more to me if there are more teams who have a legit shot at making a playoff, even if they get thumped in the first round. Though if the regular season is cheapened...I'm not sure that I or anyone else should care. And no, blowouts don't only happen to "cinderella stories." Just look at the 4 team and BCS eras and you'll see that. But again, we have ample evidence that a playoff is needed because it wasn't always #1 and #2 winning.

[@Nowledgeman]

@DoomPlague Cinderella and teams who don't recruit in the top 5... And why should we not care about the regular season being cheapened? That is the thing that makes college football different from the NFL. Every game is do or die, or at least it was. This is gonna feel a lot different to sec fans supporting this once the conference consolidates again. Why should anyone care about a Cinderella story getting a chance that they can't actually pull off? Kind a let down at the end of their great season... this is why championship or bust mentality is silly in college football. The parity will never exist. That's why bowl season was right, we just had too many bowl games. If you aren't an sec or big 10 fan, I could see why you like this but the reality is this will be short lived. Once the networks get what they want, it will be sec and big 10 super conferences with a bunch of autobids and they might throw one bone or 2 to the teams on the outside looking in. It will be afc/NFC. Hell you might even have bama resting starters in the iron bowl some day... Riveting Again this is just going to make the top 4 or 5 recruiting teams more likely to win a natty.

[@haroldfarquad6886]

There is justification to expand to 6, maybe 8, but the drop-off in talent disparity after that is so steep in this sport that 12 is absurd. 16 is exponentially worse. There will NEVER be a champion to come from outside 8th ranked (keep in mind I said ranked, not seeded, because Ohio State was ranked 6th going into this). TN was ranked 7th and has literally HALF the blue chip ratio as Ohio State. That's how steep these drop-offs are.

[@SurferRC]

@@Nowledgemanand bama 🤡🤦🏼‍♂️😂🤡

[@daves8873]

Vol fan here, we weren’t that good. We had a favorable schedule and got big breaks all year. We’re getting better though. Keep moving forward. Go Vols!!

[@frankschaefer8890]

I believe for the playoff you put in teams that played there way into deserving a chance at a title then letting those teams duke it out. To keep the regular season to matter.

[@1980jeremiahT]

Hearing pate take up for the committee is like seeing him trying to fill up a bucket with holes in it😂.

[@Conor_Doherty]

I think people are overreacting to the blowouts. In many years prior, we would have a UCF type team go undefeated or 1 loss and they would ask for a shot at the title. I think it is great that we are giving these teams a shot, even if they don't take it. Hey, at least now we now that they couldn't compete on that level. But how would we have known that if there was no playoff? If this was a 4 team playoff, so many of these teams would have been disappointed to not have a shot in a historic year for their program. The 12 team playoff gives them that shot they could have never had in the past, even if it doesn't turn out well for them. I think this is working exactly as designed, although the auto-bids and some seeding stuff should obviously still be worked out.

[@IRightwiggle]

Nobody is saying Tennessee shouldn’t be in but they got blown out also.

[@SurferRC]

If you get beat worse than teams you claim shouldnt be in thats called hypocrisy

[@BrianGlaze]

The question of "what is the purpose of a playoff"? Is incredibly important and people aren't asking.

[@usmc1740]

1. Oregon. 2. Ohio State. 3. Georgia.. 4. Texas. Should be the original pick to play Oregon play Boise State, Ohio State play Arizona State, Georgia play Notre Dame in Texas play Penn State

[@jimjames3402]

I don’t understand why the narrative of every tv person is Ohio state is just really good, not tenn isn’t good. Every other game the narrative is small brand bad. Tenn does not have good offensive record and god forbid you point out Alabama isn’t that good and they also don’t have an impressive win and sos and I haven’t heard one piece of media talk about this. Not one media personality would dare to question Tennessee doesn’t belong in the playoff. One media personality doing a reevaluation of Tennessee would be great.

[@BetweenThePylonsNFL]

Absolute professional. Love your feedback, Josh, even when I disagree. I hope you come to be the voice of the fan. We could do no better.

[@godfather95mbs33]

Tennessee fans talked all the smack in the world and got served a big humble pie When big10 fans said the cold is a real factor, we werent kidding. Those TN boys were freezing out there

[@clu63]

Dude it snowed in Knoxville last week. This weird obsession with cold weather is getting stupid. Tennessee lost because Ohio State has wayyyyy better players, and had an amazing game plan.

[@bobbydyne]

Weather had nothing to do with that splattering

[@clu63]

@@godfather95mbs33 To add further context to dumb thought chains, it is 25° in Knoxville RIGHT NOW. Y’all people up north thinking you own cold weather are closer to convincing us that you can’t use the internet 🤣

[@alexbabinski7318]

​@clu63 while the reality isn't as dramatic, I saw more opposing team injuries in that stadium than I had all season, there might be a smidgen of truth to the cold weather thing

[@danaluketic1539]

Indiana definitely played OSU better than Tennessee did.

[@mobiusstorm9768]

I agree that the purpose of a playoff is to crown a champion. Where we disagree is in how the field is selected. This is going to sound like we're talking passed each other, but football is played on the field, not on paper, so the eye test is not sufficient in determining who should be in the playoff. If you can't put yourself in contention for your conference championship then you can't throw your name in the ring for a national championship. The reason you're saying Ohio State can be viewed as a cinderella team isn't because they're an underdog, but because greedy conferences like the Big10 and SEC want to win championships with numbers, not talent. And in doing so they're incentivized to create lopsided conferences with no real schedule structure to determine who the conference champion is.

[@Legal_Savant]

Bama fan here. This was my first time watching since we were eliminated (deservedly eliminated), but that Tennessee splattering got brought me back. Great to be back 😂😂

[@GoatedAtNFS]

y’all gotta stop losing to those guys when y’all go to Neyland. I know it only happened twice but 2 becomes 4 which becomes 6. they act like they own the SEC after beating a Nick Sabanless Alabama.

[@Legal_Savant]

@GoatedAtNFS 100000% agree.

[@Legal_Savant]

@@user-vq8fq1ty7c I will, thanks. Hope you enjoyed your playoff run. 😀

[@GoVol5]

@@GoatedAtNFSHeupel beat Saban

[@samuel_heinz2649]

We didn't deserve to get eliminated. We should have been in that game over SMU. It is not a comparison between us and our past teams or Oregon or a top 5 team. This was a comparison between us and SMU. IF they played our schedule they would have had 4-5 losses. They had no ranked wins, they end the year 0-3 against top 25 teams. We finish the year 4-1 against top 25 teams. It is December 24th 2024, Bama has the SAME number of wins against top 25 teams as Penn State, Boise State, SMU, and Texas combined AFTER round one of the playoffs, and we beat Georgia the SEC champion (a team who beat Texas twice). Our SOS is off the charts. We certainly belonged. All time robbery, don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

[@justamutt5294]

conf champs getting automatic bids is fine but them getting automatic byes is ridiculous

[@chadhuskey6177]

I believe the upper tier of the BIG 10 is better than the upper tier of the SEC right now. What you think JP???

[@schultzywillpa26]

Smu’s D line was actually solid

[@faheemcurtis-khidr386]

Agreed. Their offense let them down in the worst way possible

[@anthonymelendez333]

Yea the team was good the qb sold

[@James-FrankWin]

Nothing about SMU was solid that game except for their water bottles and Gatorade jugs

[@tmc1404]

SMU in the 1st half was almost equal on yardage/possession. I think there are very few QBs in the country that could've dealt with that environment

[@James-FrankWin]

@@tmc1404 SMU was losing 28-0 at half. Which by the way. Is what matters more than yds per possession

[@johnlee7085]

What if Texas and Ohio State win, while Penn State and ND win, then Texas and Penn State win? I’m sure that would be a horrible parlay at fandual or anywhere else, but it seems like it’s at least plausible. Would that be cfb’s version of a Cinderella story? Not just one, but two teams that lost their conference championship games playing for the national championship. If either team made it to the NCG, would that be a cfb Cinderella story? Does it invalidate the regular season? If tOSU wins it all, does it invalidate the regular season? Maybe it all still goes chalk, but I would suggest just the possibilities are part of the beauty of the expanded cfp and the similarity to March Madness; the best championship tourney.

[@marcantoniocorleone806]

Bro spent 25 min on tenn Ohio State like it was the championship and Texas Clemson got 10 min smh 😂

[@RickAg29]

Because Texas and Clemson are as soft as baby sh*t.

[@andrewmueller9986]

Recency bias

[@johnlee7085]

Commentary on what has barely begun is what’s flawed. If everything went chalk, as you’ve said about the JP pole, it showed what we expected. It took decades for a 16 to upset a 1 in CBB but it’s still great.

[@voltman987]

I feel like people complaining about the playoffs right now need to: 1. Calm down... its the first year of the 12 team format it was bound to have flaws. 2. Quit lying to yourselves and pretending that the 4 team playoffs didnt have mismatches or produce blowouts... both TCU and Alabama got blown out in Championship games during the 4 team era.

[@dAaronL5]

Ohio state vs Oregon is the reason I ultimately like the playoff expansion. Yes, we had to sit through some duds week 1 of the playoffs but that happens anyway, and those would just be regular bowl games so we still could have gotten versions of that just not catigorized as a “playoff matchup”. But as you said, these could be the best 2 teams in the country and getting this game again, along with some other really great games to come, is why I was and still am for the 12 team playoff. Now obviously, it needs some work but this should be a great game and I can’t wait for one of these teams to matchup with texas and then Georgia

[@EarlyRiser71]

SoS HAS TO MATTER at the end of the year. I get the conference disparity but that's not an excuse. I am all for an initial computer model with agreed upon weighted variables and the results are where the committee BEGINS their convo.

[@skyblade6330]

I am a Gator fan, but Ohio State looked scary last night, I was shocked! Not that they won, but how they won.

[@IFluxWithIt]

Yeah they did. For the first time all season long they put it together, that was the OSU that was advertised and hyped up in the preseason. As a UGA fan, glad they’re on the other side, let Oregon and Texas deal with all that first lol

[@skyblade6330]

@ I agree lol 😆

[@jeffreyprice9790]

​@@IFluxWithIt😂. Least you're honest. I saw alot of Georgia fans cheering for Tennessee vol fans took it like they believed in them...I told em they're simply pulling for you because they'd rather not have to face this team down the road

[@MaximusGruffydd]

Best breakdown anyone has done on Ohio State. Thank you sir!

[@TraceCassidy]

That criteria didn’t exist when fsu was 13-0 last season tho

[@ralphjohns2809]

Dude hates on ND more then anyone 😂😂

[@Mookie73242]

Is OSU that good or is the SEC that bad?

[@gameshowe7975]

@JoshPateCFB Exactly right. It sounded like Herbstreit and Feinbaum just wants a mostly SEC CFB bracket. I watched the SEC season. I don't want to watch another season of SEC in the same season. Nor do I want to watch another Big season. Nor do I want a 3 loss team in a tournament if they loss to some really bad team. I think the only change needed to CFB is the seeding so that the 2nd round will have less of a blowout chance.

[@johnlee7085]

Boise State beating ou and TCU beating Michigan and a few others that are less familiar is validation for expanding the field. It doesn’t matter (to me and probably a few others) whether they had a chance in the championship. That’s because the game on the field matters - in the playoffs and in the regular season. Hopefully we’ll get to the place where the nonconference season matters as well as the conference.

[@johnlee7085]

I would also disagree with you on Cinderella. Very little about whether they have a chance at winning the championship, but more about what is a Cinderella. Saint Peter’s, fgcu, umbc, and others absolutely were Cinderellas though they had virtually no chance. Absolutely agree with you that football is different than CBB, and a Cinderella has even less chance at winning the championships. Also absolutely disagree with you that they aren’t Cinderellas just because they don’t have a chance at winning the championship. Definitely agree with you about deserving to be in and not having a sec invitational. That’s also the massive flaw in the thought on the PP2 leaving and forming their own tourney. It would still crown a champion, but would be horrible for cfb.

[@ragegamer5746]

Checking in from Minneapolis. I listened on Spotify and I just wanted to come on here and say that I was a little disillusioned this year with Pate State. However, this has to be one of your best episodes you’ve ever made especially regarding the postseason. Great work, Row The Boat, Ski U Mah and Go Gophers

[@rationaltexan]

1:31 is the truest statement ever spoken 😂. Some people are so miserable on Saturdays

[@robertopacheco2997]

College football will always have a "mythical national champion" regardless of how many teams make the POs and/or the tournament format/seeding.

[@aroncampos5720]

Ohio st O-line really stepped up. D-line dominated, they were probably tired of hearing how great Tenn D-line is.

[@kevinchandler179]

As a die hard Nittany Lions 🦁 fan, I agree buddy!!! I think my Nittany Lions 🦁 offensive and defensive line, and Buckeyes are the best in America 🇺🇸!!! WE, hopefully meeting in the national title game!!!

[@SteveKilgore27]

It may be true that most years we don’t have 4 teams capable of winning the playoffs, however, that is not true this year. I think OSU, Oregon, Penn State, Notre Dame, Georgia, and Texas are all capable of winning the championship this year. That’s why I wish we would’ve given 8 teams a shot before 12, but whatever it’s gonna be 16 by the end of the decade and no one outside the individual fanbases will watch the first 2 rounds

[@Nowledgeman]

Most years we don't and all it's doing this year is dropping the ladder down for Texas, Georgia, and Ohio state, who severely underperformed relative to their recruiting. That's the only thing this does... Cinderella stories and second tier recruiting programs aren't winning Natty's. So you are just cheapening the regular season. The big 10 had 4 teams that werent bad. They all got it. Eventually the sec will consolidate again and it'll be the same situation there

[@SteveKilgore27]

@ that’s totally fair. Would be super cool to see a 4 team playoff of Oregon, Notre Dame, Penn State, and Boise-guaranteeing a new team that hasn’t been a cfp regular would be champion

[@Nowledgeman]

@@SteveKilgore27 ya the thing that killed that possibility is people screaming "but they aren't the best team" as if having the most NFL players means you don't have to play well all season... ESPN feeds into that mentality as well, because it benefits their agenda of creating a big 10 vs sec super conference league with a bunch of autobids. They want college football to be NFL jr league and they are waving this carrot in front of college football fans saying "we want lower tier programs to have a chance" but they don't care and they demonstrate that time and time again

[@haroldfarquad6886]

I've already decided I'm not watching a down until the round of 8 from here on out. 8 is the limit of talent distribution to be intriguing. Expansion is tragic.

[@brandonjordan4596]

The expanded playoff has multiple purposes but above all else it adds certainty that the champion is truly the best team in the nation. It does this by making them prove it by having them play the best teams from across different conferences (teams they would not play in the regular season) on the field. At the end of this playoff, there should be no doubt that the Champion is the best team. The playoff removes the "you are what your record says you are" aspect that plagues the regular season and other iterations of crowning a national championship. During the BCS era, a team in a weaker conference could manage to get into the championship game by simply going undefeated. They then would only need to win a single game and could declare themselves the champion. This left much doubt if they were truly the best team when they didn't even have to face other top teams on the field. We can easily see that this model was flawed by the fact that 3rd & 4th seeds have won the 4 team playoff. The 12-team playoff may be overkill, when it comes to crowning a champion. Most have acknowledged any given year there are probably closer 2-6 teams that could win the whole playoff. However by extending it all the way to 12 it largely removes any assumptions on how teams would perform and actually puts it to the test. Once again this adds an incredible amount of certainty that the actual champion is the best team and not just a lucky team with any easy regular season schedule. The blowouts we just witnessed were not a flaw of the playoff but a feature. Other added benefits of the playoffs include - 1. More games have playoff implications. 2. More fan bases have a "shot" and stay engaged later in to the season. 3. More postseason content.

[@spartandog65710]

Don't know if JP has talked about Marshall not being able to field a team for a Bowl Game because of the transfer portal....That should tell you about the State of the Sport right now unfortunately.. .

[@JonathanRamsey87]

There’s actually other games New Year’s Eve before the fiesta Josh lol (non playoff games but yes bowl games that are still great and what helps make college football great)

[@frankschaefer8890]

The segment at 1:01:00. The word you are looking for Josh is that it's entertainment...

[@joshhunter1129]

The point of “having a shot” to me was more about if you don’t win it all it’s because something that happened on the field. I don’t believe FSU had a realistic shot to win it all last year. But they shouldn’t have been left out when there was nothing else they could have done. Same if a G5 team was to go undefeated, you need to lose it on the field or what’s the point in playing the games. I think 12 was too many, but easy solution for me, is 8 teams, 5 auto bids but no preferential seeding. Seeds 1-4 get home field. There will be no circumstance where a team can’t look at what they done themselves and say we couldn’t have done any more. Like this year, why I didn’t care who got in the last couple spots was because they all have themselves to blame. Bama don’t get blown out by Oklahoma, Ole Miss don’t hand Kentucky their only SEC win, SC don’t get blown out by Ole Miss. the. SMU, go win your conference etc etc. When they all have themselves to blame, I’m fine with who gets in. But 4 teams still leaves a chance a team who could have done nothing more on the field, gets left out, and I HATE that

[@RobertGallagher-ib1bt]

I think they should go to 16 teams no byes and all rounds except the naty should be played in teams stadiums

[@dhirenman]

Do you think that NIL/other factors could eventually even the playing field enough so that that a 12-team (not 16) playoff could provide more viable championship-caliber teams in the future? Charlotte- NC (PSU grad for transparency)

[@dhirenman]

Also want to say that I appreciate this episode probably more than most others this season (watched them all). While ESPN-associated personalities are gung-ho focused on getting more SEC teams in, the competitive aspect of this sport (i.e. record) has to matter more than rosters and hypotheticals.

[@brandongarner1]

While I don't think that the wrong teams were playing, blowouts don't make for enjoyable games. I would much rather a 8 overtime uga-georgia tech type game over what the ohio state- tennessee game was.

[@positroll7870]

Talk about revisionist glasses. Against Tennessee , OSU did everything THEY COULD NOT DO against a fully healthy* Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant. Michigans DL got pressure (and stopped the run) with a FOUR MAN FRONT. That freed up an extra DB for the backfield. Tennessee couldnt get any pressure even when bringing five. So their backfield was open most of the time, and OSUs Qb had all day to throw without worying about getting sacked. You can call this years Michigan average. But by the end of the year, it that was made up of - a bad passing offense - an above average running offense - a great kicking game - an elite defense, with the best DL in the country. OSU could not overcome the latter two. Freeze point and all that. *MG got dinged up in the week before the Texas game (rumor was he'd be out, then he gave an interview that he'd play), playing only at 80%.

[@jasonsaban3883]

Josh, I called SMU & Indiana frauds before the first round, before the final poll, and the results validated my assumption. Neither team earned a berth based on weak schedule & the results. These teams are the corporate equivalent of DEI Hires, inclusion w/o merit.

[@bwl57]

Or maybe other teams shouldve beat lesser teams that they lost to? All you can do is play the schedule you have.

[@MatthewHSale]

What about Tennessee which lost by far the biggest blow out

[@jasonsaban3883]

@ Ohio State is one of the best teams. They bought every player & should be. Tennessee has a history of losing on the road, even this season (Georgia & Arkansas). Tennessee at least beat a playoff strong Alabama team. Wusses like SMU & Indiana should be in Group of 5 playoff playing with their fellow candies.

[@jasonsaban3883]

@@bwl57 then put Army in if the Committee wants to use the gay argument “they played their schedule”. No it should be the 12 best teams. SMU nor Indiana did anythingto merit a top 10 ranking. Alabama beat SEC Champ Georgia plus two other ranked teams plus blew out LSU in Baton Rouge. Rhett Lashlee & Curt Cignetti would wet their panties if you even mentioned playing in Death. Valley.

[@jasonsaban3883]

@@MatthewHSale an opinion based on the result of one game is foolishness. My opinion that SMU & Indiana don’t belong is based on a complete season of wuss.

[@thomasmoss1066]

Great Analysis as Always, BUT…… You needed to add a qualifier. With the transfer portal there is or will be more parity where you could have a playoff with 4 and 8 teams some years playoff.

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

Paying attention to live KZbin chats during the games was interesting. There were plenty of variants of "at least we didn't have to see Bama in this thing" popping in during all 4 blowouts. The SEC and Bama fatigue is worse than I thought. We just witnessed one of the most relevant weekends in college football history be a unanimous flop in terms of watchability/entertainment value, and "F Bama" is a common default position for disappointment. Before you @ me, note that I didn't claim who should have been in. In theory, blowouts in the first round could be a *good* thing because it's a filtering out process to weed out (many) pretenders immediately. SMU could have played Indiana. It may have been a close game, but it would a false indicator of the winner's shot at a title. The issue is that Penn State might have 2 playoff wins before they face a team in the same stratosphere of talent. They might be the healthiest version of themselves waiting for the winner of the ND-Georgia absolute slugfest. Interesting notes: SMU, Clemson, and Indiana ended their seasons a combined 1-8 vs ranked teams, with Clemson finishing 0-3 vs the SEC.

[@user-tz2zz5ij1s]

It just shows you how incredible Alabama’s run has been. Even with new coach they finished #11 in the CFP’s own rankings. The format kept them out, and no one would want to play them season in the line 1 game. When Milroe is on, they are one of the best teams in the country. Inconsistency at QB is what killed their season. Testament to the college Boogy man. I graduated from A&M so I’m not even close to a Bana fan, but it’s impossible to ignore what they’ve done and the talent they have.

[@gavinburley41]

Clemson also played the 2 best SEC teams and played USC close and they're top 5 in the SEC plus most of the team are true freshman outside of Klubnik so the team was developing and made bug strides forward throughout the year

[@yelircaasi]

There's one argument for including Indiana/SMU/BSU that I haven't heard you address head-on. If they were left out, we'd have a lot of people upset and talking about a different set of hypotheticals. People would forever be talking about Indiana/SMU/BSU being unfairly left out. As it is, we can put those questions to rest. It's true that this isn't always a formula for the most competitive or high-revenue games, but there's an underlying philosophical question here regarding what this playoff should really be about. One of the big benefits of extended playoffs is that we get to see how a variety of conferences actually stack up, and in my opinion, that's a good thing. For me, at least, it's more interesting to see relativey novel cross-conference matchups like SEC/Big-12 and Big10/MWC, rather than watching a bunch of mid-tier SEC teams comfortably beating ACC teams and getting sodomized by elite Big10 teams. Sure, you can say that's what the bowl games are for, but as Florida State showed us a few years back, teams play their best ball when there's a national championship on the line.

[@ianbrittain9575]

My problem is the size of super conferences. It’s too easy to squirrel your way through some of these conferences if you got the random easy draw. There’s multiple examples this year. Texas Arizona State Indiana SMU This playoff was set up with conferences pre- 2023 expansion in mind. This format works a lot better with the conference layout of a few years ago.

[@Patriot218S]

To be fair, all of these first round games were home games and not on neutral fields. The games would’ve been a lot better if played on neutral fields.

[@Nowledgeman]

46:10 so why won't you say this when the topic is brought up on ESPN or when you talked to klatt last year?

[@Phixfox]

"SMU/Boise State/Indiana have no chance at winning". Then why play at all?

[@mjgoob]

This whole playoff conversation started back in 2009 when there were 5 12+ win teams with 4 undefeated. The amount of "if a BCS team is undefeated they should have a shot!" etc. etc. The games should be played, if for no other reason than to silence the pretenders.

[@RB-.-]

Because it used to be understood that the national championship/postseason was such a pie in the sky idea for like 10-15 teams but recently we've shifted into this participation trophy mindset where everyone has to be given a shot. Everyone knows deep down they can't compete but there are 12 spots so they are sent out there as sacrificial lambs. Those kinds of teams used to be ecstatic to go 11-1 and play in a good bowl game but players ditched those.

[@mjgoob]

@@RB-.- I agree -- but the lip from Cincy and Boise et al dictated a new process other than the BCS. Now we have that solution and suddenly we can determine ACTUAL contenders? CFP exists so Boise/SMU/Indian/ASU et al CAN be beat down. We went from 11-1 teams being "voted" by media talking heads, to Computer Algos deciding who deserved it, albeit corrupted by Media Talking heads voting, to a Insider Committee deciding the lineup. At the end of the day: 134 Teams in Div 1. Either they all count, or you break down into a smaller new DIV 0. Destroy what brought the sport success -- just so we can see the most "exciting" game on tv. =\

[@andrewmueller9986]

You could use that argument for semis in a 4 team

[@haroldfarquad6886]

Money grab and participation trophies. There were years in the past that justified the 4 team playoff where you had 3 to 4 teams with basically equal resumes (2004 Auburn springs to mind, plus the 2007 season), but expansion to 12 teams is a joke and always will be.

[@erichonaker6006]

Maybe academy sports should give Tennessee some warm up gear...

[@strouth64]

Appreciate that Josh appreciates that, for many of us buckey fans, this demolition of the Vols DOES NOT make up for Day's and Chip's debacle a couple weeks ago. It's a rivalry thing and a trust thing. We lost faith in the coaching staff's ability to show up instead of puckering up when it matters most. Day has not made the most of the talent afforded him and losing to TTUN 4 years in a row is hard to forgive.

[@hunter24seven]

Texas can't beat Ohio State or Oregon if those teams play their game. Texas will crash out in the semis again. I think the weather affected SMU more than any of the teams. It was in the 20s with 30mph winds. The SMU QB was shaking and pretty much gifted Penn St 21 points while killing off 2 scores for his own team. The game would have definitely been closer in a warm weather venue. I'm calling it now. UGA will run 40+ times on ND and grind out a win. Smart will do the Smart thing and keep the pressure off his backup QB. He won't be going on 4th down at the 20 (sheesh Franklin) Ohio State looked great against Tenn but the next game is being played in great weather in So Cal against a team that will bring it. I think Oregon wins a close one again.

[@johnalyssaemilysarah1465]

Nothing close to 30mph at beaver stadium . Sun was out most of the game . Agree Jennings lost the game more than psu ( Im a fan) winning .

[@capps2015]

If OSU plays like they did against Tennessee, Oregon will get beat by 2+ scores.

[@messagetous]

Message to US. Former player and coach (junior high/grade school), UMich Alumn, and lifelong student of the game. UM, Wink Martindale, gave NEARLY ALL of the OSU receivers a ten yard cushion. SHUT DOWN THE DEEP ROUTES! Sporadically rotate db up. Robertson's pick. GET INTO HOWARD'S HEAD! Use this pass defense, with 4 star or better players (IN no, TN yes) and SLOW DOWN OSU'S PASSING GAME. TN coaches missed this and ran PRESS COVERAGE! COSTLY/BIG MISTAKE! Analysts: a team is not broken when they lose and fixes when they win! Coaches make good and bad decisions! Period! Watch what OR coaches do with cushion/press coverage!

[@cuttingtoolgrinder9182]

Watching replay of game. UT in deep zone with corners 10 yds off LOS in Q1. Not helping their cause. Swing passes to Henderson in space is the answer there. Also throw the under routes, bubble-screens, TE drags, hooks. Take what they give you. OSU game plan v.s. UM was shite. run, run, run into a brick wall and keep on going at it without changing plans at the half.

[@messagetous]

@cuttingtoolgrinder9182 UR RIGHT! I'm right, we got into their heads🤣

[@braydenschmidtke171]

Arizona State beating Texas would be great for college football

[@haroldfarquad6886]

If neither ASU nor Boise win, I sincerely hope it enrages enough of the public to scream for a reduction in playoff size. There's no excuse for 12 teams, never will be.

[@braydenschmidtke171]

@@haroldfarquad6886 I disagree Lord Farquad. It will only become more necessary in the next few years as the playing field is leveled more & more with players moving around more

[@chadhuskey6177]

I really enjoy listening to your take on all the football games and I realize you have to have enough content to fill the time frames of your show but just sayin you do over speak on a subject from time to time and circle the airport if you will but anyhow keep up the good job that you do Josh. Thanks for all the information you share with your listeners. 👍☝️🙏👊✌️🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓

[@xosuper9193]

idk i think expanded playoff will increase parity and thus cause more underdogs to make runs. im cool with an even larger to be honest at like 16. more fun to watch a home playoff game over the cheeze it or music city bowls

[@davidjacobs100]

Ryan day is a great coach, he couldn't beat oregon, round one, oregon is much better than they were last outing, Tennessee isn't even close to oregon

[@lincolnhui6503]

If the playoffs eliminated SMU and Indiana and Clemson and Tennessee as not title-worthy, then it's working as designed. It's what a playoff is supposed to do. And if there's a chance that Ohio State wins it all and they're in because of expansion, then that's also working as designed. Finebaum doesn't even deserve a response after what happened to Tennessee.

[@haroldfarquad6886]

"If teams 9-11 all lost, that justifies the 12 team playoff!" Do you hear yourself? No, it means the playoff is four teams too large. It should have never been more than 8. People who fail to appreciate the talent disparity in this sport after your top 6-8 teams are undeserving of respect.

[@chadhuskey6177]

QT is a cool place for gas what ever else you may need at the moment drinks, snacks additives for your car, motor oil, traveling supplies etc. "Just sayin JP". 👍🙏🐓

[@quinnbaker4689]

Didn't even have a segment on nd Indiana?

[@2chipped]

My time is too valuable to have watched any of the first round games...in which anyone with a brain could give you the results.

[@johnlee7085]

Definitely agree with you that you won’t dress for the rose bowl like you were at tOSU, but I’d check the forecast before leaving the hotel in short sleeves. It might be sunny and 70, but also could be 50 with a steady rain.

[@totalcrimson]

You said we need to make sure we are understanding where we are coming from so we can understand each others argument. I agree, You believe in "most deserving" all the while the committee was tasked with "best". This is where most of us that are ticked at the results from this weekend. The committee failed putting in the best 12 teams, like they were tasked to do.

[@dantetalley8354]

Earn the invite to the playoff, you don't win it all you just went to a top 12 bowl game.The Goal is win the Natty not lose in a semi game.

[@thelifeofdustinandallison]

Go Dawgs! Sic Em! ❤️🖤🤍🩶

[@Go_Horns2024]

Clemson played a great game. Texas just had a big talent advantage. especially on line of scrimmage.

[@RagedContinuum]

Klubnik looks like the next great NFL QB out of everybody I've seen

[@JoeyFonte]

@JoshPate CFB I agree 100% that the spirit of competition is absolutely the most important thing for the longevity of college football. However, the CFP seeding is inherently the opposite of the spirit of competition. The seeding and the auto-byes give the "best" teams an extra rest that they don't necessarily need and set an unfair advantage for them. Also, the seeding puts the best teams against the worst. How does that foster the spirit of competition? At best, it's a fight between the school bully and a kid from the special ed class. The seeding needs to change, and i don't really feel like the CCG's are really necessary anymore.

[@mattsimmons7908]

Clemson fan here. I had us losing against Texas as well. I gave us a fighters chance but knew how it would end up. Clemson main issue is run defense. Clemson hasn't stopped anybody running all year. That definitely has to be priority moving forward