CGC Reholder Scam UPDATE! The "LIST" Has Been Released And The Books Are HUGE!

In this video I cover the latest update coming out of CGC regarding their reholder incident. They just released the list of 350 potential comics that could have been affected. Be sure to head to the link below to see if you have one of the books in question.
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[@drossi6019]

Just found out my ASM 300 is on the list. Talk about shattering my trust in CGC and now I figure out the process of sending my book back in.

[@shawnmichaud4484]

Damn. Be sure to let someone know how the process is handled so it can be shared with the youtube audience of collectors.

[@lukechernesky]

yea let us know what it turns out to be, like 9.2, 9.4 etc. But yours could actually be a true 9.8 because the scammer would buy a true 9.8 and 9.4 and then sell both copies as 9.8s

[@Wr0ngNumb3r]

Where did you buy it from?

[@Jmillz181]

If you bought in 2021 make sure they give you that $ back and not some current fmv

[@drossi6019]

@@Wr0ngNumb3r they've been removed but comic selects was name used. Going through all my graded comics the clear idication of tampering is the left side

[@CollectorsFix]

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Since the slabs are openable without obvious tampering signs, the scammers don’t even need to send the books to CGC… they can just as easily switch lower grade books at home. It’s scary to think how many books out there are truly tampered with. I’m afraid this iteration of the CGC case is going to be forever tainted. CGC definitely needs a new case.

[@williamedwards5704]

All existing iterations of CGC/CBCS Slabs are vulnerable to a Heat as we all just learned. Slab submissions will halt until until a Heat resistant case is announced.

[@virtualrealityfitness283]

Facts

[@jotcollectibles]

Please let me know asap when a person has completely made it undetectable?!? Please! I’ve been watching and subscribed to immaculate for at least 6 years, let me know when it’s actually accomplished. If you listen to him, the pins get smashed every time, it’s noticeable, but CGC didn’t. He never said “ this is undetectable “ but the book not the grade. If you’re so unsure I’ll be happy to buy your “fake slabs” at 50% the FMV?!? Im so happy this happened, I’m going to make a fortune!!🤣🤣🤣

[@johnnydropkicks]

@@williamedwards5704 Have the current design of CBCS slabs been shown to be as vulnerable?

[@loki2stunt]

@@jotcollectibles you're part of the problem.... greed is the reason we're here in the 1st place.

[@aaronfetter6396]

You know some mid-level employee at CGC brought this exact scam up to management years ago and was ignored.

[@weststephan5253]

CBCS does not skip steps! Every book reholdered at CBCS get reevaluated for tampering and slab damage by a grader. Obviously CGC skipped this vital step for a long time!

[@gregsug1640]

With up to 9 months turnaround time on submissions, it was inevitable that workers at CGG would eventually take shortcuts in the process...😒

[@gregm7269]

can't imagine this kinda stuff hasn't been going on since day one of CGC.....unfortunately

[@anthonypidone4453]

The only reason CGC is doing something is because the fans caught it. It is only a matter of time before other ones are caught. This is not the end. 2024 is going to be a tough year for CGC.

[@virtualrealityfitness283]

Everyone has eyes on it now!

[@silloh888]

Talk about process gaps. No red flags by one person re-holdering hundreds of books? Something smells funny here that hasn't been made public.

[@kenmason1461]

Yep the tip of the iceberg

[@jarrettreynolds4560]

Ok so you need to understand that this has been going on probably for years. Not just in 2023.

[@robertt9342]

Likely won’t even be more than a blip in their business. The comic book community has been scamming themselves for years into thinking comics are the same as sports cards.

[@wolfblitz6530]

Did the same person re-holder all of these books? If so, you would think CGC would start to question someone submitting so many copies of ASM 194 in a 9.8. That's crazy.

[@ScarecrOmega]

There are some people(not saying this guy is) who are sitting on thousands of long boxes of uncirculated books for inventory including maybe a dozen or so of high value ASM. Maybe this scammer only sent in 1-5 copies at a time over several years

[@RobLed]

@@ScarecrOmega These stories of warehouses of books have been around for decades and are absurd. The reason there are so many 9.8s from the 1980s is because there were ten times more collectors in the 1980s than today, and buying multiple copies was a common practice.

[@drancealot]

@@RobLed boxes of uncirculated books from decades ago happen. They are usually not huge keys but I'm sure it happens. A year ago I bought a case of uncirculated unopened marvel books from the the early 90s. As the years go by there are fewer and fewer out there, but they are out there. If you go on auction sites there are always lots of uncirculated issues. People do sit on them. I also bought 30 copies of X-Men (Jim Lee) #1 uncirculated. There was auction of deadstock comics where one lot had 9 uncirculated copies of Batman #251. They are out there.

[@CelestialWoodway]

​@@RobLedIt's possible. You can't prove it didn't happen.

[@JDRamos213]

I really hate this urban legend. @@RobLed

[@batdadwholaughs]

I call BS on that 350. I think they identified 350 only from this account. I suspect more accounts and for years. No way are they going to let that cat out of the bag bc that would be the end of CGC trying to fix the mess. This is damage control and I do not subscribe to this determination. May be the minority.

[@jabezcreed]

Someone is going to have to allege a separate act of fraud, which as of yet no one has done.

[@batdadwholaughs]

@@jabezcreed Basically we would need the comic community to do another find. Thing is now CGC has been scanning for months so now there has a digital footprint that can be traced when the image and description of the slab can be questioned. Only new for the past 6 months which is the only reason this was found. CGC data hurt them... ironically

[@X.X.X.123]

Spot on 100% way more than 300 plus. All CGC is a scam🤣

[@Milkmans_Son]

@@jabezcreed I allege a separate act of fraud.

[@jabezcreed]

@@Milkmans_Son I hope CGC makes you whole.

[@loki2stunt]

get a lawyer, I wouldn't deal with this on my own nor would i trust CGC

[@rvdizecw420]

Lawyers are expensive as all hell Maybe the person who could buy the AF 15 signature series could afford one...

[@ProBlueCheese]

cgc HAS to deal with it, has nothing to do with trust; its about integrity. Hiring a lawyer won't get anywhere

[@corners3755]

@@rvdizecw420 So are the penalties for fraud

[@timhartwick1986]

We still don't know how CGC dropped the ball on this. So it would be interesting to learn what happened in the discovery phase.

[@loki2stunt]

@@ProBlueCheese Lawsuits and bad press have always worked

[@mikedamore4739]

I was doing some checking of these books in the CGC registry and of the 55 ASM #194 graded in a 9.8 on the list 37 of them have graders notes, for 9.8s, it struck me as odd as I have over 60 CGC 9.8 universal books and not 1 has a graders note. Is it possible someone inside the company thought since I'm switching books for lower grade ones maybe add some graders notes in case anyone looks it up they can see some stuff was indicated on the notes?

[@timvreeland4971]

My thoughts exactly. I'm still new to this 100 books graded in about 3 years. I have gotten 5 books back at 9.8 and never any notes.

[@timelkins3537]

The big money level of this scam means the perpetrator will definitely do prison time.

[@shadow_collector8488]

It would be amazing to know how many hands these books have passed through before it got caught. Due to the private market we could never know.

[@starchild6347]

Personally, I’d still be surprised if there wasn’t someone on the ‘inside’ facilitating the scam.

[@MrSharkJB23]

Can’t wait for the Netflix docuseries.

[@dennisbeekhuizen4225]

Raw books for me from now on only until they figure this mess out!!

[@lukemorley3540]

Because no one would try to sell a restored copy as unrestored …….

[@bobbymak6964]

I spoke to the owner of my LCS and he mentioned a story "2 years ago" where a comic graded as 8.0 looked more like a 5.0. He suspected that it was tampered. So this is old news to him.

[@latinsizer]

How can they recover from this? I don't see a way.

[@RobRVA]

I'm curious if CGC will reimburse at the original purchase price, or current FMV or what exactly.

[@X.X.X.123]

They ain't doing 💩

[@jarrettreynolds4560]

CGC is gonna get sued!

[@CBs_Bill_from_Montana]

Good!

[@Wr0ngNumb3r]

Remember towards the beginning of 2023 there was a counterfeit book scandal that involved a Hulk 1, a GSX 1, a Hulk 181 and a cover less golden age Captain America? I never heard that they figured out how that was done, but now we know. The million dollar question is “was that the same person or is this proof of a bigger problem”?

[@brandonmetro7115]

"My stars" as my grandma would say.

[@CelestialWoodway]

I bought graded comics 10 to 20 years ago that always looked lower than what the grade was. Might have gotten ripped off and never knew. I sold them off to other people.

[@ericsred5440]

The patient is now in stable condition but cancer has been found.

[@Go_Go_Gojira]

It will be interesting to see how this affects the prices of graded comics in the future compared to raw books. I see this as a list that will just continue to grow and be a reference that will need to be checked when purchasing CGC books moving forward in the future. A sad event for comic collecting, but hopefully a new solution will come to market to make sure this can be prevented in the future. Whichever grading company figures it out first with tamper proof cases, inner and outer serials, or whatever the solution will be has a fantastic market-winning opportunity.

[@The9.9Newsstand]

Absolutely appreciate your coverage of this!!!

[@artyman72]

This guy wasn’t a lone wolf…..guarantee it

[@colt5189]

I've heard complaints for years of people complaining they were slipping because a graded comic looked like it was graded too high than what it actually looked like in the slab. So this could have been a scam going on for the past 20 years.

[@cocorain6549]

Wow so many of these are ASM #194, ASM #300 and Hulk #181. I will NOT ever be buying those books damn shame too.

[@brendandaley9355]

Swag your ending hit exactly what I was thinking how many people are gonna want to keep the recognition for the fraud books to actually increase the value

[@bradellington134]

We'll definitely see more books! This is bigger than pretty much what everybody I'd already thinking, and it will, not if, WILL affect the comic industry and all the graded books from the moment this story broke from now on. I agree that there probably will be people that would want to keep a book that has been affected by this. It instantly makes me think about the toy industry and how back in the 90's repro and anything like it, was like being called a witch was to Salem, MA. Look at it now! People still don't approve of repro getting slipped in a vintage toy, and i agree cause that's shady. But we also now have an entire, you could call it an industry i guess (if that's the right word I'm trying to convey with) that is 3d printed figures, kits, accessories, and dioramas that is huge, and it's accepted, has approval, and is getting bigger every year. That's not even including the whole sub market of customizers that have created their own business or store that sells bootlegs and knockoffs, even their own figure lines. So yeah, some people will consider these kinda like bootlegs, that there is a niche market for today. This whole scandal just blows my mind cause I've had at least 12 or more of those high dollar books (that's just from what I'm hearing, haven't looked through the list yet) in my collection that i picked up as a teenager starting back in 1986 when i was 13, but had been steadily reading since 1984. I wouldn't want to find out that a graded book i bought was not what i thought i bought. All i can think is, thank God i switched over and started collecting nothing but action figures and toys from the 70's to present day. Shew!

[@horvathsogranfume658]

this list is gonna grow

[@dennisbeekhuizen4225]

Lawsuits are a coming!!

[@ajguez]

Oh my.. wonder if this is some organized enterprise.

[@virtualrealityfitness283]

No way it’s only 350!

[@andrewbowers4555]

Whew...no Darkhawk #1, 9.8's.. I'm good..

[@mlong9475]

Or New Warriors #1 lol

[@CBs_Bill_from_Montana]

lol lol. So true

[@miketinson8648]

dodged that bullet ... my collection of 9.8 Fool Killers are safe

[@alexmathewmendoza]

If one slab is compromised, who's to say they all aren't?

[@M.ANTHONY_G]

EXACTLY. This renders the ENTIRE concept as moot.

[@TheEnterthedreaming]

@@M.ANTHONY_G "This renders the ENTIRE concept as moot." In it's current incarnation. There are steps they could take to make it 100% tamper resistant.

[@DocReasonable]

How can anyone trust CGC if they submit their suspect books to them?? They've already proven themselves to be 100% untrustworthy/incompetent. I would be suspicious of every CGC copy of the books named on that list. They're on that list BECAUSE they're easy to compromise AND are of high enough value to bother with.

[@DriverAndChaser]

This has been horrific to watch roll out. Looks like my 150+ slabs dodged the main bullet. Now I have to check for buckshot.

[@miketinson8648]

I am doing a price check on the list ... about a dozen books to go ... X-Men and Wolverine ... good ol' CovrPrice has crapped out ... not counting signature premiums and some MJ premium's ... using CP latest sale price ... running total is at $1.281 million ...

[@miketinson8648]

which ... for a company like CGC ... is chump change if they had to reimburse EVERY owner of EVERY book ... just sayin'

[@miketinson8648]

Just completed .... $1.340 million .... but some MJ and Signature premiums not 'counted in' ... mebbe $1.5 million + after that

[@miketinson8648]

58 ASM194 36 ASM238 13 ASM252 104 ASM300 19 Hulk181 15 Secret Wars 8 9 NM98

[@timothybrandt6911]

It's a yellow label with a Stan signature on the back cover based on the pictures on the cgc web site when you run the serial number.

[@WarriorsforInfoTV]

About tree -fiddy

[@mikeschmid5133]

Dam this dude is fucked, he's going to jail for long time....

[@MintBiscuits]

Slab defenders keep saying that CGC will be fine and then insist that 'buyers just need to be more informed and learn about comic conditions before spending their money".... But then whats the point of buying a slab over a raw book if u got to spend the time evaluating it cuz now you cant fully trust the number anymore? The point of slabs was to have a third party do the evaluation for you, so you no longer had to just go off the word from a rando comic seller, and now the answer is 'You need to learn about comic grades so you can confirm the 9.8 grade on the slab is accurate?!?!' This is such big fat stinky joke. If the answer is going to be "always do your homework" then do your homework and just buy raw instead of inflated nonsense slab prices and supporting bad companies like CGC.

[@jimmyhayes6017]

Swagglehaus I like you and respect your opinion very much and I understand what yall KZbinrs are doing when you say things like “oh I respect CGC released a list” etc. they would never have done any of this if not caught red handed with irrefutable proof and CGC deserves no props they are not doing this to look out for consumers they are doing this to save their own ass end of story.

[@melanatedmusings6147]

This is likely the tip of the iceberg with this scandal/scam. The raw market will benefit. CGC should no longer be the primary standard for grading services. Hopefully a better gc or better ones will emerge. I only have one CGC graded book but am leery of buying another.

[@andrewbowers4555]

That is a ton of ASM 194's. How did 1 guy gain this many high grade copies?

[@latch78]

He pulled the 9.8 out, inserted a lesser grade in the slab and sold it as a 9.8, then resubmitted the real raw 9.8 for grading. Rinse and repeat

[@mikedamore4739]

there are even more ASM 300's 86 9.8s out of 104 ASM 300's on the list

[@williamedwards5704]

I already checked the list for my 138 slabs and managed to dodge the bullets. Probably because I'm a mid to low grade collector. However, now I have to look for signs of opening and re-sealing with Heat. I'm contemplating jumping in the BIG auctions coming up and loading up on the 13 remaining keys I've been chasing for over four years. I'm thinking folks are going to be watching these auctions instead of bidding. I may be stepping in front of a Mack Truck. What are you thinking?

[@tomvu1470]

One should always be careful of cracked slabs (and switches) but it appears all or most of this situation involved failures in the 'reholder' process (where CGC did *NOT* reverify the comic in the inner well when a 'reholder' request was made on these high value book).

[@jotcollectibles]

Yes, you were not and never were the target audience. If they switched your 5.5 for a 4.5, the risk was never worth the reward. Stop flattering yourself and others on here.

[@williamedwards5704]

Ok. Noted. Point taken. I'll stop.@@jotcollectibles

[@vendora1]

people will do it if they can make 5 bucks more than they would have otherwise dont underestimate the greed monster dude@@jotcollectibles

[@timvreeland4971]

CGC has recently expanded into VG and VHS grading services. Now everything they grade under their collectible umbrella that offers a reholdering service could be in question here. Afterall if a scammer can do this with comic holders they could probably do it for other CGC holders.

[@artisticflavaz8460]

Great reporting Swag!!!!

[@JC-dg6vo]

Someone turned in the JIM 83 8.0 already. CGC has marked as reviewing. That's a 35K+ book

[@BBoy770]

Where can you view books already turned in, and what their status is?

[@Future-Classic-Comics]

They should put something fluorescent on the book, some sort of watermark that's removable and doesn't affect the grade, something can only see with a UV light like a bank note.

[@juniorgermosen5238]

I'm sure there will be some collectors that are not aware of what's going on.

[@Thisistheway-2187]

Makes you wonder why eBay sort of forces you to list the cert # for their graded sports cards but not for comic grading.

[@theslabbedssaddict691]

I wonder if the Stan Lee signatures inside the book are going to be there when they crack open the slab.....

[@jtoons99]

My speculation is that there was someone inside of CGC who was facilitating this scam. That's likely how they were able to compile a list so fast (offer the person a more lenient punishment in exchange for info and cooperation). Pure speculation. The person / people involved are going to wish they hadn't done it; you don't tamper with a company's reputation and income stream and expect to get off lightly. Thankfully, CGC did produce a list relatively fast. It appears comprehensive and I think this incident will make them better. They'll definitely be vetting books a bit more carefully now -- AND the people who grade them.

[@DocReasonable]

CGC is either totally in on this scam OR they are the most bumbling incompetent prats imaginable. Neither option encourages me to submit my books to them.

[@joshuarogers8423]

Scammers are scammers so here is my question. one person was doing this for 12 years. How many people did said person share that with who also did this and CGC is unaware? Plus how many did the scammer swap books and did not send to CGC for reholder. I think this is much bigger then the list

[@mikee4402]

My guess... its PGX's time to make a move...

[@xboxgamer3389]

Imagine not relooking at a signed AF-15 a $75,000 book and it was swapped and went unnoticed great vigilance CGC

[@Jmillz181]

That's what I'm saying. Ridiculous they could let a book like that slip by. But there is also the chance that particular book is legit, we don't know what books actually were scammed unless owners of these books crack them out and share what they find.

[@x-menxrp2643]

how was this scam working ?? They took the books out and replaced it with another one or fake ?

[@thepewbroswreeo5126]

CGC absolutely has to pay for this stuff. People forget they don’t just do comic books but coins, cards, video games, etc etc. This is their bad for not being diligent but if they make those people whole then that’s that.

[@jordand1554]

RIP = graded comics. It’s a guessing game of which comics are authentic in the holders given any holder could’ve been compromised. What a mess. Every single graded comic is affected, despite CGC’s wishful thinking, these are only the “known” scams. You can be sure there are more.

[@bradellington134]

Exactly! That's what I was thinking that no matter what they say, the question of doubt is on everything now that has been graded. This is huge and the ramifications and how this will, not if, WILL negatively affect the comic industry from today moving on forward?! Glad I switched over from comics to action figures I in the 90's, SHEW!!!! Crazy stuff!

[@jordand1554]

I don’t wish ill on any collector, as I mainly collect graded cards, but this would be as shocking as PSA slabs being able to be resealed. If you can open any slab without it being obvious then the “authentication” element holds no value. Comics are even scarier because at least with cards you can see the full collectible slabbed, comics you can only see the cover / back. Easier to hide discrepancies internally within the slab for a comic.

[@mrtkiernan]

Firesale on CGC books coming you think?

[@TB-TheGoldenAgeGamer]

im calling bs since i didnt see darkhawk 1 scammed the grail of grails

[@jkatkat7950]

lol...350 from this ONE submitter....what else is out there that hasn't been caught yet?

[@gordonsisk9814]

If there is a scammer he needs to come forward on one of the KZbin channel and explain himself

[@soullesstaco9897]

Doubt the person will show in a public forum he should be looking for a lawyer at this point. Mail Fraud just top of my head if he had multiple people in on in than could be rico case who knows at this point. All I know is dudes best bet is to disappear asap. Doubt Blackstone is going to just take it on the nose and carry on.

[@pingadol1555]

I would think he's in the hands of the F.B.I. at this point.

[@daveassanowicz186]

What explanation are you looking for, "I'm a greedy AF scammer"?

[@beng6418]

LOL Swag, that's a crap ton of heavy hitter books man! Glad my ASM300 isn't one of them! whoever owns that Amazing Fantasy 15... RIP!!!!!!!!

[@holyharlot5222]

By my math, the re-holster scam, specifically, would generate 50% "properly" graded books. I think you're right. This isn't the only instance. Maybe that's why half the 9.8s look worse than the 9.6s ... they're all 9.4s!

[@knives9758]

I bought a 9.8 ASM 252 from briva3 in Oct., but the CGC cert # is not on the released list. Did I get lucky and buy the clean book, or did CGC just not include the Cert # on their list? How am I ever to be sure...? Wonder if I can get CGC to add, "This book is a clean book sold by the scammer" lol Sorts like Swag suggested

[@Swagglehaus]

If that’s the case I would suggest still reaching out to CGC and telling them. They might decide to add yours to it.

[@knives9758]

Solid idea, at minimum maybe change the cert #. I feel the book's history is now possibly tainted, should I ever want to sell it. Thx@@Swagglehaus

[@redrobbins5103]

This list will get bigger. If soulfire was tampered with then you know other “cheaper” books were also tampered with

[@miketinson8648]

some random's in there for sure ... maybe just an account dump for 'this person' ...

[@loki2stunt]

Just a test run

[@pulsarstargrave256]

Wow, how long was this scam going on?

[@moodswing4460]

All cgc purchases now, I will have to ask the pedigree of the book lol. Full write up. Makes me hesitant to buy an xmen 4.

[@espacemaxim]

OMG. This changes everything!

[@anthonypidone4453]

Will Ebay patrol these CGC identification numbers and pull down the listings if they have any.

[@redskorpion75]

Little back story...I hate slabs. Lol.

[@alinasir-py4np]

That’s just what they found , my assumption is about 35-50% of cgc books are compromised , I recently got a new mutants 87 9.0 and to Levi don’t think it’s 9.0 it has creases I’m sure this guy isn’t the only one that was doing this

[@unique.collective]

I’ve been collecting for 25 years now. I consider myself an experienced collector. For anyone getting into comics now or is still fairly new this world. I truly suggest to stay away from slabbed books.

[@BlazerBeard]

My question is: where do you think they started? You dont just start this with high value books the risk out weighs the reward. You have to start with cheaper books to wien out mistakes, hiccups and getting used to the process. I didnt just start pressing and cleaning keys. I started with dollar books. This list only includes higher value books. Where are the rest? This person probably had multiple accounts with CGC over a few years

[@DocReasonable]

Well, I wont be touching a single book on THAT list. Every CGC copy is potentially tainted. And this is just ONE reholder scammer that they know about. Censorship is rife on the CGC boards. Not only are they mindnumbingly incompetent, they're nasty and petty too. They really despise KZbinrs for some reason. I sincerely hope CGC goes bankrupt this year.

[@johnmazziotta9055]

What about the "other" grading co.?

[@mlq79]

I'm sure that it's not only one person who was doing this scam it's only one person who got caught so there are more books out there that's been tamper with

[@Milkmans_Son]

I just swapped one out and it doesn't appear anywhere on the list. Why is that?

[@DocReasonable]

Immaculate Comics said, "I have an AF15 that is missing a coupon from an interior page that they didn’t catch."

[@eblanco7605]

@swagglehaus 10:30 I mentioned on the cgc forums, when CGC starts to get these tampered books back, all of these books should get a pedigree label, " Mark Jeweler Fooler" 😂 1) it is cgc way of acknowledging they are not infallible, things happen and they took care if it. 2) The book's complete history is retained, including it's once tainted background. 3) On the resale side of things, qualified/restored books sell for less than their counterparts and can be a harder, slower sale. It could help elevate their resell value and speed up the sale of the item since it is now "unique".

[@gearmonger8616]

$1-2Mil in books and we still think this is ONE individual?! Don't be surprised if this isn't an investor group out of the DFW area? IYKYK

[@Barada73]

I’m relatively new to collecting graded comics, so I only own one CGC book that I paid $35 for. So if mine is a fake, then it’s not a huge loss.

[@X.X.X.123]

They're all fake you nerd. Bunch of nerds who Subjectively put a number on a plastic holder that fools suckers in the endless scam🤣

[@vinnyboomba9948]

10:30 maybe the mislabeled comic book and slab will itself become a collectible variable? Hmmm🤔

[@stevegaspar]

Some big books

[@richardbehrle1496]

I like the analogy of the list but I’m still waiting on that other list.

[@gabe1978]

Does CGC update the "grade date" after a reholder or is it kept the same date when first graded?

[@reprintranch]

Good question. In a similar vein, I’ve been wondering whether CGC has a system in place to document which employee reholders books during a given shift, which books are reholdered during that shift, and what exactly was done to scrutinize each book during the process.

[@cbomb4666]

I just submitted a spidey 252 for reholder in Sept. It kept the original grade date of 2009.

[@j-sonS]

Whew. My stash is not on the list.

[@travismoriarty669]

Its very disappointing to see this unfold. Trust is definitely shaken.

[@darnelljones8038]

This could turn the market upside down on those particular titles. ASM 194 and ASM 300.... Flooded with fraudulent 9.8s. North or South who knows... However, there will be an impact.

[@philippendletonmusic]

The only thing separating a dollar comic and one thousand dollar comic is a piece of plastic and a label - the whole system is flawed. CGC have a monopoly on graded books which is bad for comics.

[@harlockmbb]

They printed false labels before sending to re-holder? CGC did not check the number?

[@sax174]

There are 58 ASM #194 that he graded as a 9.8 and there’s only like ~540 on the census. That’s just over 10% of all the ASM #194 9.8’s that are fraudulent. ASM #300 he graded over 100 and there’s around 1500 9.8s. That’s 6-7% part of the scam. And that’s just that we know of from this one person, let alone anyone else doing this

[@sax174]

Same thing goes for ASM 238, around 6-7% of the 9.8s are fake

[@stargazer4625]

It's time to sell ..

[@mikes6368]

Honestly I really wonder how many other people did this and how many tampered with comics are out there ... Also how many slabs that have been cracked out for a press and clean, than no old labels submitted to adjust their census. How off are the numbers?

[@wlnorris75]

Sorry, it isn't 350 books... its 350 books so far...

[@brclar78]

They need to have video evidence of grading and encapsulation provided to the customer as mvs stamps /mark jeweler's etc can't be verified once the case is sealed off and as long as a 9.8 is the acceptable highest grade given no on bothers to question the actual item anymore

[@bobbydayton8887]

This is exactly why I will only use PSA yes there's other good grading comps but PSA is the best

[@ddougherty8266]

Question for the DEALERS on here... for those who are still selling CGC slabs, and the ones who are saying "I know my slabs are good", or telling people to do their due diligence, now, I'm NOT trying to be snarky - but to all of those dealers... Would you let me buy your slab, and allow me to send it to CGC for cracking and re-grading, and if it doesn't come back with the same color label with a grade that is VERY close to what's on the CGC label.... Would you take the book back, and refund me my money? I don't think you would agree to this (I wouldn't blame you - for the same reason I'm not going to buy your CGC slab in the first place because... the grade on the slab is simply no longer 100% reliable). Is Heritage going to guarantee that the comic in the CGC slabs they're auctioning have not been swapped out? There's a related question - are dealers thinking twice about buying CGC Hulk 181 slabs? They know that it very well could be missing a Marvel Value Stamp - right? They can use a magnifying glass all they want... but are they going to take a chance that the book inside is missing a stamp and worth 10 cents on the dollar? Dealers who answer honestly can understand why most collectors aren't going to pay over a couple hundred dollars for any CGC slab at this time - not when the CGC slab itself is potentially hiding a defect that reduces the value of the comic by 90%, and the swap is undetectable. And because the CGC slabs are so vulnerable - once the new slab design comes out, all $500 and up slabs will HAVE to be re-slabbed to be saleable - at a cost of about $100 and up per slab, at which point, the buyer may find out that they get back a CGC purple label, or an 8.5 when they paid for a 9.6, so they've lost 90% of the value they paid. In my opinion, neither dealers nor customers can trust any CGC slabs that are for sale, or any that we bought, and there is no way to "do" due diligence. The only CGC slabs that I am now sure of are ones where I sent the book in raw, and even those are trustworthy only to me - no one else can trust mine, and I can't trust theirs - because anyone could be fibbing or forgetful as to how they got their CGC slabs. If the book is NOT in a CGC slab... I would be able to spot restoration, missing coupons, color touch, married pages - at LEAST as well as the people at CGC. CGC slabs don't guarantee anything - all they do now is HIDE potential flaws. ALL slabs are going to have to be cracked and re-slabbed into what will be a more tamper proof slab - until then (which is at least a year away) collectors and dealers are both going to stop buying CGC slabs that are over $100.

[@terryfloyd3505]

there will be people that save them. I dont really mind that too much as long as the info is clear to anyone they sell it to. But there will be people who will just keep it a secret and try to sell it anyway. those are the ones that will suck. and it will keep this story going on for years as they are poping up over time.