CHAD DAYBELL TRIAL-DR JOHN MATTHIAS. PSYCHOLOGIST on JOSEPH MURRAY and DEFENSE PATHOLOGIST

[@jananielsen3614]

If Tammy knew or suspected Chad’s affair, no wonder she was depressed, low energy, and going to bed early. That’s what a private person would do if their marriage is falling apart.

[@brendakauffman2222]

Heather Daybell suspects Chad had approached Tammy about living a polygamous lifestyle & Charles had sent an email stating he believed that Chad was having an affair or affairs. I mean how many people did he make up this story of being their husband in multiple past lives. He told Julie Rowe this, Melanie Gibbs and Lori.

[@dianayount2122]

chad was trolling for women for years. how depressing.

[@andrew46956]

I can't believe women would be that desperate for that slug.

[@andrew46956]

Easy to see why Emma and Joe are married. They are both so weird. I can only imagine how their kids are going to turn out.

[@tonibrown1862]

@andrew I don’t think Tammy was desperate, she was Mormon and they marry before they even know how to be adults. She got stuck with that potato. Poor Tammy.

[@mangocoffee510]

Murder or natural causes, Tammy's coworkers were more upset about her death than her own children.

[@cathyhelmuth823]

Sad! Breaks my heart!

[@debrahartwig8291]

How will they treat Emma when she returns. I’d be afraid E would see me as dark and hurt me or my loved ones.

[@heatherstephens9295]

@@cathyhelmuth823me too 😢

[@GymMomof3]

SAD…🥺

[@mariamaria2751]

Something went wrong raising those kids..Chad choad went wrong

[@Rhombohedral]

Voltaire (1694-1778) said: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." sounds like Chad Daybell and Lori Cox to me

[@albertarose1433]

Yes indeed. And a few others in our history.

[@Rhombohedral]

@@albertarose1433 its a principle and many apply to the same rule

[@fridaytieday]

Excellent statement....so true!!!!!

[@normaguerra7832]

💯

[@birdiebreeboutique]

*This was brought up in the Charles Manson hearing.

[@lynnvasquez6390]

This family is full of deceit and lies. I can’t believe his daughter was so heartless and cold. If my child was in her class I’d be switching them out.

[@CR-cd3bx]

I would be mortified if Emma was my child’s teacher! Can’t imagine how this false testimony and belief system is going to effect her job.

[@joannehiggins1005]

My husband, who has worked with offenders and victims, once said "deep down everyone knows the difference between right and wrong". However, severe religious indoctrination in the home (including likely Chad's fringe LDS beliefs) means that these children should probably be pitied, also. It's tricky and hard for most of us to understand😔

[@adebocook]

I'm truly grateful that Emma's husband didn't decide on a career in law enforcement. Thank goodness. I bet law enforcement is just as grateful!!!

[@Lollipop_Lexi]

I just wish they weren’t responsible for the physical, mental and emotional health of children.

[@lizzyham]

The irony that they (Joe and Emma?) put together a 5K for operation underground railroad and he specifically said it was for trafficked children... And then seemed put out that law enforcement was patrolling the crime scene after two children were found buried in the backyard... Like the police were making too big of deal out of bodies being found! Very simple minded and lacking empathy. Very very concerning. Hope the jury saw that.

[@bcoull290]

Why are the children so anti government or resistant to work with police and not only that but they blame the officers for setting Chud up?

[@innervisions1828]

@@bcoull290 It's part of the prepper universe. AVOW, an end-times preparedness website on which Chad Daybell wrote appears on a list of 576 anti-government groups identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center, a nonprofit that tracks extremist activity nationwide. Before he was arrested and charged in the disappearance and deaths of his wife's two children, Chad regularly wrote on Latter-day Saints AVOW.

[@kristinj7173]

So contradictory and ironic. Good points.

[@brendakauffman2222]

@@bcoull290 Chad had to indoctrinate them with this so that they wouldn't talk to the police. When you know what you are doing is illegal, you want to infuse in your children that police can't be trusted so they come to you and not to the legal authorities. We know Lori and Chad told followers not to cooperate with the police. The children will feel that the whole world has ganged up against the Daybell's and falsely accused their dad.

[@Libbertyone]

After watching John and Lauren on Tim Ballard who started OUR … this was too ironic seeing’s how he also lured and abused women The kids in your Dads back yard were abused to the nth degree and you’re worried about being hassled by the police ?!? Come on!

[@annanikia7949]

The FitBit “defense” was ridiculous! Poor Tammy, May she rest in peace, away from this toxic family!

[@BobbiGail]

And let us all scramble for the front row of zumba class, lest we end up in the back and be declared "un-alive worthy." Be careful struggling to carry a box of BOOKS!!!

[@teddiev2720]

BTW, if you move your arms back and got like your walking the Fitbit does add steps. I tried just shaking my arm and no steps were added. I greets it depends on what movement you make with your arms. I’ve been home all day working on a mostly standing but using my hands project, my steps are 1541.

[@Nurturing2]

💔

[@Tina06019]

@@BobbiGailBooks really are heavy. Just saying.

[@lajt22]

It’s no wonder she was in her bedroom, if she was (bc don’t believe anything from the def side) but I’m sure Tammy needed to escape a lot fr not only Chad but also def Emma if not all of them. Just wish Tammy had a chance to live her best life without the control, manipulation, and judgemental fr people that were not her true family, instead very apathetic psychopathic people imo. :(

[@Emer205]

How could anybody who is as uncharismatic as Chad become a cult leader? It boggles the mind.

[@merricat3025]

Look at Warren Jeffs. Maybe it's a Mormon thing

[@BobbiGail]

​@@merricat3025Totally agree! These leaders have these soft droning voices while their followers stare up at them w adoring eyes. I watch too many Netflix docs on cults while drinking my morning coffee...

[@brendakauffman2222]

They play on people's weakness and need to be important.

[@ADogNamedBoo]

2 words: Keep Sweet

[@starflower703]

Do these Mormons never read their own Bible? The Bible is clear we shouldn’t put anyone on a pedestal and we don’t need someone else to interpret the scriptures for us. God will reveal if we study and ask Him.

[@Spmama444]

Heather Daybell told the BEST story on the stand. To me she stands out and is so credible! Then I went back and watched all your videos on her and I can see why. She is a strong woman who KNOWS right from wrong ! And is not going to bow down. She’s the kind of woman that breaks these cycles of culture and abuse!!!!!

[@mindybray9643]

💯💯💯 and that’s why Chad fears her. She sees who he is and she is a truth teller.

[@Spmama444]

@@mindybray9643 wouldn’t it be amazing to have her brought back … oh wait… the state can’t call anymore people can they???? If her words were the last thing the jury hears would be amazing!!!

[@wyominggal4ever]

The defense can call people for rebuttal witnesses after the defense is through.

[@susanmoore7229]

You’re right. Heather is capable of independent thought and action. Not Emma.

[@MaryM-w1k]

I absolutely agree, and I can't wait to hear from her again! Her gut was right about everything!

[@kathleenp9643]

I was truly devastated how Tammys children portrayed her. They talked about her like she was a fat, lazy, jealous introverted cheater that was friendless. I was heartbroken and angry as hell! It’s okay if Chad’s kids want to support their father and still love him. What is NOT okay, is what they did! 💔💔🤬 #SaltTheSlug

[@susansmith-hn9xw]

He was brainwashing them long ago....

[@pamostman516]

I totally agree with you Kathleen. Victim shaming at its worst and cruelest. Who kept them afloat financially? Who got up and went to work everyday? TAMMY!!

[@brendakauffman2222]

Again, I think that Chad manipulated the storyline and filled the children's mind with doubts about their mom; and, with lies about her.

[@YogaPainter]

I have not missed a day of this trial and never had anger until I heard Emma's testimony. Her criticisms of her victim mom infuriates me. Cheating at Fitbit is a huge deal but cheating on your spouse is nothing.

[@gogo-word]

Chad has preyed on her mind. She is experiencing trauma and to think her father is involved in her mother's demise is utterly unthinkable.

[@kwitecontrary]

Tammy worked her A$$ off with no help from her husband. Not surprised she took Prozac & was tired all the time. I can't imagine raising 5 children all by myself & then finding out my loser husband was gonna move on & then murders me? 😬

[@karenm7449]

Yes, he was an abusive husband. The more she gave the more he took.

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

Seriously, I don't see an unhealthy woman, I see a terribly depressed woman who was trying to find ways of improving herself.

[@lyndaczika6327]

Add to that she was menopausal…poor Tammy had every right to be exhausted! 🥺

[@janebeatty9472]

@@rosesweetcharlotteHe was probably ragging on her to lose weight.

[@j3st-87]

and ungrateful children, treating her like the father... it reminds me of one of my mormon aunts

[@rital.5075]

I couldn't believe when Pryor called Tammy's death a murder.

[@Teresa-tn4we]

Wow that must have been a slip! 😂😂😂😅

[@SusanaXpeace2u]

It's been a long trial and I think Prior is mentally exhausted from defending Chad from the indefensible

[@joflynn64]

I think Priors point was that the bias IS the assumption that the death was a murder. But I have no clue what the evidence of that bias is??

[@jinafromwv6391]

I’d give Prior a pass if I was on the jury considering it’s the 6-7th week of trial and he’s a one man show! Seriously making too big of a deal out of this Lauren! You call yourself a journalist but no true journalist would have so many bias in a case! And yes! I believe Chad is 100% guilty!

[@karmachameleon7148]

I know I cant believe no one in court mentioned that!

[@fridaytieday]

When my Mum died suddenly at 56 years she had an automatic autopsy. It wasnt even asked. Her doctor wouldnt sign a death cert without it. When autopsy was done i went to the doctor and she went over the entire autopsy document with me. I needed to know why she died. I just cant fathom Emma's resistance to know what happened and why her mum died.

[@kerrylewisRN]

I wondered about my mom’s cause of death but as a nurse I knew & it’s exactly what I thought. A fib, complicated by CHF. A “real” natural death.

[@angelatheartist8349]

Some states it's not mandatory Idaho is one where you can decline an autopsy. Other states it's required.

[@BrendaCarrolllovesPalestine]

Probably because she already knew how her 'zombie' mother was killed, she knew but didn't want anyone else to know. Hopefully the jury will see this.

[@BackStreetChippets]

Emma doesn’t care that’s why

[@chilo8187]

Denial is a hell of a drug. She didn’t want to know.

[@ArtistTree]

I MAY be watching too much of this stuff as last night I asked my husband if it would be fair to say that he'd rather have peas than broccoli with dinner! 😂😂

[@ofhismercy109]

Ahh. Hahaha

[@lisashrestha5023]

😂 that’s funny!

[@dawncrossland3028]

🤣

[@trishallen1546]

I love this so much....😂😂😂

[@ClaudiaYorkPetruny-bc8pg]

😂😂😂

[@norlavine]

Prior's 'Freudian slip' will go down in legal history as a major defense blooper....

[@ClaudiaYorkPetruny-bc8pg]

Yeah in criminal law classes in the future, there will he a paragraph saying “ criminal defense lawyers do not say murder scene when you defending against murder.

[@diannflores9165]

As a matter of fact, now when you look up "Freudian slip" you see his photo and what he said as the example.😂😂

[@jacquelinecasey1361]

I appreciate listening to a real psychologist not a Hollywood psychologist like Dr. Phil or Dr. Drew. It’s refreshing hearing and honest perspective and not as sold out perspective.

[@carolbiggs4693]

I wouldn’t want to live in a house where my mom died & 2 dead children in the backyard. Emma might want to be careful that another entity doesn’t try to take over her body again 👻. She & her brother have no soul

[@sharongaines1658]

I’m a retired educator. I wasn’t a the librarian who had all the responsibility of setting up the Scholastic Book Fair, but I have helped the librarian. I have volunteered helping set up and and running the book fair. It is extremely time consuming, taking many extra hours and is extremely tiring. She might have been the only person preparing and working on getting it set up. It takes hours!!! Extra hours, outside of school!!!!!!! I hope she did have help! I can imagine Tammie not asking for help her. My heart breaks for her and I can hardly imagine this really happening!!! And her family not valuing their mother. So sad. I wish I could have known this precious woman. 💜

[@ellendickey4769]

Exactly. I was a school librarian and there were many times when I was there 7 days/week. Always the first one to “fill in” here and there. Book fairs require an incredible amt of work. None of it is easy.

[@juliewilson1867]

I ‘m also a retired teacher and I know it’s even hard to shelf books too

[@leximarie3808]

I'm so appreciative of all you two do for us! What has really affected me the most is the testimony of Emma and Joe Murray. It was so horrible and disturbing on so many levels. It's also so concerning they're raising 3 children......those poor wee ones.

[@daniellelandau7762]

Also she’s a teacher! She’s so clueless!

[@lisashrestha5023]

I agree - they seem so smug. As if they are above the average person. Never a thank you or sorry from Emma. I’m sure the local PD won’t forget what Joe said about LE.

[@mariajara8165]

Maybe these people are talking Chad place on this cult and still carry on with their believes. They are very dangerous people

[@BobbiGail]

I wouldn't want me or anyone I love or even know to be within a mile (or 10) of these ppl.

[@CocoTheDiamond]

I think Emma implicated herself. i think she may have even helped Chad and Alex. And the thing is... everyone knows who Emma is now. She's a liar and possibly a co-conspirator in murder and everyone in the community knows it now.

[@acesmith7228]

It's obvious Emma is lying

[@BeReal128]

Why is Emma such a GR8 lier? Daddy who raised them - could be put to death or spend 3 life sentences in prison! The Daybell kids are not credible witnesses for the defense! Unlike Tammy’s co-worker & fellow LDS church members! Who just want Justice for Tammy (Tyler & JJ - innocent child victims)! AND is Emma blonde like Lori now? I heard that somewhere! 😮 WTH?

[@teddiev2720]

Both her and her husband.

[@moonchildpink5525]

Emma appears so desperate IMO! 😊

[@bethnorrod5942]

She was too quick with the answers and volunteered extra information.

[@susanfenner6766]

And volunteered detailed explanations of her answers. Most times, when you are being questioned, you kind of have to think for at least a second or two not Emma, she knew which questions she was going to be asked, and she had detailed answers for every single Prior question.

[@CityBohoGirl]

That this creepy, monotone drone Emma TEACHES CHILDREN???!! Like real, actual, human kids - is absolutely terrifying.

[@ericaspence9919]

All I heard when she talked was "Bueller... Bueller"😅

[@judywilder3243]

I've recently learned the term "baby fundy voice"

[@juliapearce4380]

I can’t imagine why parents would be okay with Emma or Garth teaching their children…

[@juliapearce4380]

The way to get more steps without steps is to swing your arm as if you are walking, not just a wrist movement.

[@barbyrice3130]

Emma was teaching at Sam school where Tammy was a librarian.

[@MissMolly3377]

I can tell you, I love my 21 year old daughter, she is my best friend, but there are times, I love being alone, too, and my daughter also likes her space and we give each other that space. Tammy tried to create that alone time, tried to have friends, and couldn’t even get that. I said, Chad stole her life while she was alive and then he took her last breath.

[@clairefisher3132]

Like Lauren said yesterday too, Emma was the spy. Tammy couldn’t get any time alone. And when she didn’t have Emma chasing her around, Garth was there. I not only believe Chad had them as spies, but he was also utilizing them to keep her busy so she wouldn’t notice his extra-curricular activities.

[@laurataylor8179]

Not a healthy relationship in my opinion You need your own friends

[@brendakauffman2222]

@@clairefisher3132 Garth though was a Mama's boy. I do think we have to realize that Chad has been filling them with lies about their mom for a long time.

[@Mycatdidit]

I feel like the biggest tragedy is that Tammy seemed to honor the old school fundamentalist LDS views that Chad held- which are extremely s3xist. Chad treated her like complete sht and didn’t even allow her to have friends over, and she allowed it bc of this religion. And the kids put all their love and loyalty into their dad and treated their mother like garbage bc they were taught the same cr@p. Tammy was ok with it (accepted it anyways) probably because she grew up with those same “ideals” in her own home? That or Chad slowly turned the heat up after they got married and by then it was too late. And divorce is such a no no in that culture too. I don’t have a problem with religion but this belief in particular seems toxic A F.

[@JackieOlantern]

@@MycatdiditI’m beginning to wonder if old school fundamentalist LDS Tammy would approve of the kids standing by their dad…. 😖😣 I hate to even think that but here I am… 🫢🫣

[@brendaredmond4678]

Emma, if you are here, I hope you are listening to Dr. John Mathias. He explains your personality and your behavior perfectly.

[@justmeonly986]

Defense isn't even trying to dispute Tylee's and JJ's murders. He's focusing only on Tammy. So, GUILTY on Tylee and JJ is a given.

[@crystaldawn9255]

Also, what's the point? His kids are always going to believe him. With the way Chad is with projection and opposites, it really makes me believe he is the one who killed a Tammy with his own hands and she is the only one he literally killed with his own hands and he felt so grandiose that there was no way he would be caught. As if ya Alex sucks and we all got caught but I'm so good and I did such a great job nobody will ever know so I'm not going to give and plead to her murder

[@brendakauffman2222]

I think Prior knows he's sunk with this case. He tried to back out he says due to lack of payment, but I think he thought there was more evidence from Daybell then there was, and he suspected he'd loose.

[@rhondablackburn3713]

I think Prior wants to say it’s just Alex w the kids. I think he is throwing a smoke screen on all of it and hoping it blurs jurors eyes. I also think he knows he’s done ! Nothing to do now except collect his payment of Chads home. Don’t forget he wanted out of this case !

[@Mycatdidit]

It’s only day 2 for the defense. Let’s wait till he’s done.

[@debbieshrubb1222]

Good point.

[@gailhawthorne8856]

I about fell outta my chair at work when prior said murder!

[@tabbynotacat]

Me too!! I actually yelled! 😂

[@anabelleigh5745]

Pryor is as done with this Chad as everyone else is. He just wants that paycheck. Chad is a fool for hiring him and wasting everyone's time. 🤣😂

[@TJ-it1bm]

Prior isn't getting paid anymore. All he has as far as compensation now is the house. A house that's going to be a bit hard to sell in the future.

[@lisawarren3239]

Dr. John cracks me up when he gets tickled and humorous!!!

[@lauradumont1984]

Agreed 😂

[@lyndaczika6327]

Lauren is one lucky woman! ☺️

[@lauradumont1984]

@@lyndaczika6327 Lauren*

[@lyndaczika6327]

@@lauradumont1984 🤦🏻‍♀️ …oh boy!! I knew that!! 😑

[@ladymoonlake]

I have loved watching Lauren's getting more and more open and comfortable with expressing her delicious humor and her witty way with words. (wwww) Though dealing with very grim situations involving the darkest of human experiences, the blend of insightful examination of every aspect of the evidence, compassion, and the leavening effects of humor arising naturally here and there, the HTC dynamic duo are without parallel!

[@lavvnelson]

Imagine how Chad’s fantasies, flirtations, probable affairs for many years could cause depression in his wife who was obviously controlled and unappreciated.

[@cdcdogs4961]

Probably why people people die of broken hearts. The betrayal must have been devastating. 💔😢

[@sharonthorne6451]

I wonder if in general women are undervalued in Mormon homes. All that patriarchy and such.

[@pithyparty6145]

I agree!

[@carlsenlifeafter60carlsen11]

Absolutely that’s probably exactly how she felt.

[@juliewilburn2942]

Did you see that stock just shot up !! lol and that Emma and Garth’s class size just dropped! Who would want their child in a room where the teacher would think their child might be dark!!??

[@MKUltra42]

Emma spoke about her dead mother in the same tone that she used when she spoke about the roadkill that went into the pet cemetery.

[@CallistoMom]

Chad's body shamming of Tammy is the most inexcusable legal defense ever. And if you look at some of the pictures of him while married to Tammy, he is not one to talk.

[@jojofromcocomo6429]

He's a toad . The Chud couldn't look good even with Lori's help. Still a toad.

[@joannemurdock7899]

In their wedding photo he was at least 3 Stone lighter , where as Tammy stayed her beautiful slim self💕🙏

[@lajt22]

💯

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

​@@jojofromcocomo6429Let's not insult toads like this. Toads are adorable!

[@BevForseth]

I agree!

[@trehugr4life]

When the prosecution asked Garth about what was found in his dads back yard he started to say " the 1st one was " then corrected himself and said " Tylee was found.." To me, that said he dehumanized those kids, JJ & Tylee.

[@joanloraine3881]

Remember when chad implied his mother was lazy for not taking the trash out shows what he thinks about women

[@Ther3rg]

Chad displayed learned behaviour . His father treated his mother the same way Chad treated Tammy . Women were just for their convenience .

[@diamondeyez135]

Servants ​@@Ther3rg

[@Teresa-tn4we]

And that CD is a Lazy slug!!

[@debrahartwig8291]

What was wrong with her husband and children. My husband felt trash was dirt and he should take it out.

[@clairefisher3132]

Funny when he couldn’t even keep a full time job, but let his wife work 2 jobs while he was off running around with the Arizona girls and having an affair out in the open. He’s disgusting.

[@camillemayers103]

Prior keeps making rookie mistakes. You NEVER ask a witness a question for which you do not know the answer!

[@6kat103]

Even I knew that one. Can’t believe he keeps walking into that.

[@hatkin24ha]

Chad's comment about his kids are good at keeping secrets... opens all kinds of doors of thought.

[@lorikennedy1127]

100%

[@mfrancisco4242]

I am not a native english speaker but the words that Emma said…’seeing her die is very traumatic’. It seems like, Chad saw her die but what he was saying is “he found her dead fallen out of bed”!!!

[@jodievukmir3187]

Yup between that and the "murder" response by Pryor...

[@robyn874]

Many people who are just starting a family would not live where children were killed; let alone someone you are related too. Their attitude & non empathic feelings are extraordinary

[@susanharrington8715]

I saw a Fitbit wearing raccoon, daytime 5k clogging while running down our backyard fence. She was reading a daybell novel right out loud as she set up scholastic book fair shelves for the entire school as she cooked up ‘healthy’ meals for 16 ailing church members making delivery while dodging trucks. She finished publishing the story of herself while balancing the business books, cooking dinner, paying the bills… and she was playing candy crush! And finally increasing her life insurance to guarantee a good life from the good wife who’ll want you to ‘move on’ of course… Well. All that ‘busyness’ and she still couldn’t zoomba away fast enough from the paintball gun/assault rifle/pillow/zombie eyes of chad the dad cult leader… dishing out those patriarchal “blessings” he served up through clench fisted fingers… on napkins from McD’s

[@sherrymcmullin1914]

I’m laughing so hard rn😂😂

[@pnwlady]

I bet Chad would publish this short novella if you added a NDE or vision. 😂

[@MrsAshcraft]

I enjoy listening to Dr. John as he explores this case. I was working on a degree in psychology but had to stop when I had a high risk pregnancy in 2003 and 15 weeks later I had back surgery in 2004. I haven't been able to return to finish the degree. Listening to "doctor babe" makes me want to get back to school and finish getting my degree.

[@teressiaglover2960]

Dr Babe I love it

[@wendywr]

I started listening to the podcast in 2022. I loved hearing Dr. John's discussion of the psychological thoughts. It was so interesting to me. I dropped out of college in 1998. This podcast inspired me to go back to finish my degree. I graduated summa cum laude a month ago. You totally should go back!!

[@geebee3256]

Go for it!!! Even if it takes 10 years….. treat yourself TO yourself!!!

[@starflower703]

I completely agree with the other comments, you should totally go back to school. I went back when my children were in elementary school and it was a good thing for my kids to see their mama studying and learning. Plus I valued it so much more the second time and I went from average grades to straight A’s.

[@Mycatdidit]

I love psychology. I Majorie’s in it too!! But then I came to realize that I am not cut out for being a therapist bc of my own trauma, plus the 8 years of full time school, 12-16 if you work to support yourself. Those who can make it happen should! And there’s always online classrooms too.

[@WolfRoss]

A takeaway from what I went through with my marriage, divorce ,and counseling is that if you are a nurturing person like Tammy and myself there is a tendency for what is called character disorder people now to be attracted to you. And when you realize there is a problem and start to pull away that is when it becomes dangerous. The very first thing he did was move her away from her family. She was spending more time away from home with her activities. Then there is a splitting up of the assets when you go through a divorce. anybody that is nurturing needs to really get to know your potential mate really well because according to my psychologist we seem to draw them to us. Prayers for Tammy, Tylee, JJ, and Charles.

[@BuffieMoore]

I did notice yesterday when Emma was on the stand that she first told Prior that she wasn't good with directions when prior asked her which direction was her house from her daddy's house. She commented she wasn't good with directions so how did she know to look up south SW winds if she had stayed earlier she wasn't good with directions. She lied! You can tell her and her daddy are 2 peas in a pod as we say in the South. I'm from North, MS.

[@heidiseeley7607]

No one in the Daybell family has shown any empathy or expressed any thoughts or any concern for any of the surviving victims.

[@justkiddin84]

Or the ones who didn’t survive.

[@elizabethhales8553]

Your absolutely correct. My exact thought.

[@jcatlady5947]

I'm beginning to think that they were all in cahoots in getting rid of Tammy. Emma and her husband I believe we're in on it. They're all disgusting.

[@aunc3281]

These after-court responses in addition to the lunch lives are deeply appreciated.

[@sharlahart986]

I would have a problem if either Emma or Garth were my child's teacher. Heaven help the children of Rexburg.

[@lynnhartin8974]

The children of the corn at Rexburg

[@ValorWarrior5258]

If Emma called Lori, the jail calls have more than likely been listened to. I am looking forward to the rebuttal put on by prosectuion, because they can impeach Emma’s testimony with thise calls with Lori amd Chad if necessary.

[@clairefisher3132]

See I was wondering about that! I have a vague layperson’s knowledge of court procedure but I don’t know the rules of evidence. Can the state present new evidence in rebuttal? Like you say, to discredit Emma’s testimony? Or, since they’ve rested, are they restricted to evidence that’s already been admitted? I genuinely want to hear all the jail calls and recordings mentioned or even not mentioned. I wonder if FOIA will get us those. I could never afford to pay those fees on my own but I’m praying some of these bigger channels will try to get them.

[@blueeyesftlaud6593]

That's exactly what I think they intend to do! Plus I think she may still be under subpoena by the prosecution

[@lorikennedy1127]

Exactly and she was released from her supena so she can't refute anything. Rocky and Lindsey are gonna play them so the jury is 100% on same page with us that she was coached, told what to say. She embarrassed herself big time. She literally said she can't understand directions yet wanted to know ssw winds were going. My daughter is direction confused and she wouldn't know which way the winds went. Some online have suggested they (the cult followers) ate Tylees leg and other stuff bc she was a Virginia. She was burned and hit in that area as a ritual. Was Emma in on eating Tylee?

[@vickiegriffin9414]

I like to lay on my bed and watch you tube videos after a long day at work. It doesn’t mean I’m going to bed at 6 or 7. Just having some me time.

[@bronfoth]

Sorry I missed you Live. Lauren - really glad you survived the sleep after your McD's burger! Tammy and her angel duck army protected you !🦆 I watch all your videos from Melbourne, Australia. I used to do the same job as John. His insights are great, and he has an excellent way of explaining complex concepts. Thanks to both of you!

[@risa3908]

Thank you Lauren and Dr. John for the insights 💐 You two are the best in the true crime community.

[@redrose41000]

You two are so adorable, two very strong people who’re obviously in love. ❤❤❤

[@fluffy-Muffin]

Are you ok

[@DeadParrot-yj8fn]

Mormon stories is a good place to get a better understanding of the effect of the high demand religious culture on families.

[@laurataylor8179]

Agree fabulous pod I quote it quite a bit

[@E-magineMySurprise]

Keep in mind they focus on highlighting the problems experienced by people who leave the church. That's their purpose, but it is also their bias. They won't really represent what lots of members experience. Just FYI It's like getting a BBQ Restaurant recommendation from a vegetarian. They are honest in their opinions, but it's not representative of the whole picture.

[@diannflores9165]

Don't judge everyone in the religion by the apostate adulterous murderer.

[@pnwlady]

@@E-magineMySurprisebad metaphor. Getting a BBQ restaurant recommendation from a vegetarian suggests no knowledge or experience. All their guests are LDS or former LDS. They are speaking directly from experience and knowledge. Many people have negative experiences in high control religions.

[@E-magineMySurprise]

@pnwlady I stand by my original metaphor. It is about collecting data from different sources that prefer to eat from different parts of the menu so that you get a good understanding of the restaurant as a whole, all the possible dining experiences. *Eating preference doesn't mean the experience or knowledge of an individual the analogy. It just represents what point of view or opinion they are sharing. I wanted to illustrate that knowingly limiting your information to sources with the same opinion gives you a partial view of the whole. You know that a vegetarian is going to give you a review of only parts of the menu, and even though their review is honest, it is only a part of the possible meal experiences. So, the data you are able to collect represents a fraction of the whole. If you treat this data as a representative sample of all the restaurant's diners' experiences, you have prejudiced results. If you want a balanced view of the full menu of experiences you have to get info from diners that prefer beef, some that prefer chicken, some that only want pork, and some that like a combination, in addition to the vegetarians.

[@pithyparty6145]

Lauren, I am loving seeing your sense humor! You have a great one! And I think that it's therapeutic given these horrific circumstances.

[@catmeow333]

I saw Emma in a spousal role when she dyed her hair blonde like Lori’s so Daddy would love her too.

[@merricat3025]

Could be. She desperately wants her fathers love.

[@Loukirb]

Or she saw her mother in the mirror and it reminded her that her mother knows that Emma lied.

[@thelmastyles2592]

Tammy was depressed because who only knows what Chad etc has made her feel. I’ve been there and people can be cruel that are supposed to Love you!!!

[@graedot]

Dr. John is so down to earth and knowledgeable he's just like "meh" when Prior says "murder" while we are dropping our phones to pick up our jaws!! Lol!!!

[@ladymoonlake]

What a treat to have such close, ongoing examination of this case with both Dr. John and Lauren. Saturday night and tonight!-- Such riches!!

[@MSgirl67]

I was sitting on my back porch screaming at my PHONE saying he called it a Murder!

[@kristenlee337]

Thanks for jumping on Dr. John! Its always so fascinating to hear your commentary.

[@stebu178]

Tammy was working full time, doing most of the work for their publishing company, taking care of the house, volunteering at the church, taking care of animals and the yard, and taking exercise classes. Chad spent his days in the church or at the college writing (according to him,) asking people if they could publish their books and speaking at conferences a few times a year. Someone in that couple was lazy. It wasn’t Tammy.

[@sleuththewild]

IIRC Emma testified it would be up to the property owner whether she'd be staying in her house or on what terms. And the property owner is John Prior. This opens her to extortion for her testimony. If Prior doesn't like what she says, he can kick her out of the house.

[@ToyotaFJOntario]

I’m sure that never crossed his mind. Separate from his job.

[@clairefisher3132]

If her dad doesn’t like what she says…what was he willing to do? I mean I know now he’s in jail, but what did it mean if she did something he didn’t like the rest of her life?

[@kerrylewisRN]

I think she’s supporting her dad, in her mind

[@sleuththewild]

@@ToyotaFJOntario It's a terrible visual. There's a huge potential conflict there.

[@brendakauffman2222]

@@kerrylewisRN She believes her dad, or at least knows to keep his approval and a sense of any family, she has to publicly support him.

[@joycecreo8144]

Relating to Chad's children refusing to see anything that might challenge their initial thoughts about what happened, makes me feel empathy and respect for Colby Ryan, for what he suffered and lost. Huge difference between Colby and Chad's sons and daughters.

[@GymMomof3]

TRUE!! 👏👏👏👏

[@1MrSpooky]

Perjury+ respect for our judicial system means little to these cult followers. Loyalty to the prophet comes first.

[@yvonnegoddess3488]

You can’t tell me Tammy didn’t know he was cheating on her. She knew and took to her bed to escape.

[@lisashrestha5023]

And on that note, one day I hope Emma realizes WHY her mother was taking Prozac and going to her bedroom early.

[@diamondeyez135]

​@lisashrestha5023 I really don't think she will, she's too far gone imo

[@Brittnoelle2]

@@lisashrestha5023AMEN!!

[@sengacole1673]

I've been 9n prozac it makes you tired and weight gain.And with Tammy working full-time.plus running a household she is going to be tired❤

[@Notpublished]

They moved in the day the kids were found! Sick

[@SaraMartinez-dr1xi]

Lauren you remind me to be more polite when speaking to my husband. It's easy to be short. You are very curtious.

[@dogsrgodsspelledbackwards3340]

Lauren, you’re correct. They are throwing the deceased under the bus. It is so cruel, so disrespectful and so sad. You would think that 1 out of the 5 kids would have thoughts of their own and step out.

[@Tanji20251]

They may; we didn't hear from three of the kids.

[@RealityBites-2tM-MtA]

I wish there was more information on the women Chad was courting who's husband called him and told him to cool his jets!

[@lisashrestha5023]

*Whose* husband - and I’d be interested too!

[@brennanwilkes]

Wait, what??? I thought I’d heard everything about this case!!

[@tabbynotacat]

?? What ??

[@laurenbontempo9474]

Yes he was talking to a married woman in AZ who reportedly was very pretty. Trying to have an affair and her husband found out and threatened Slug

[@laurenbontempo9474]

Also it's been confirmed on this podcast that there were other women he had cheated on Tammy with before Lori

[@b.barber6338]

IMHO Tammy's feet were tangled up in the sheets because she was probably rolled up in a sheet wherever Alex and Chad murdered her, Chad probably dropped her while trying to stage the scene in her bedroom,which explains the thud Garth may have heard just before Chad came into his room. Thanks for all you do to honor Tammy, JJ and Tylee! 🙏🤗

[@starflower703]

I think she was tangled in the sheets from a struggle. I agree about the thud!

[@lesliegonzalez8263]

I think she got tangled up due to struggling too! She was probably kicking

[@cynthiagimbel6590]

She was kicking while being suffocated

[@b.barber6338]

I have this nagging feeling that she was killed upstairs in the cozy cone then transported downstairs for the staging, I'm sure she struggled tremendously but I also think they rolled her up in the sheet to move her downstairs to her bed.....thats just my gut feeling

[@TerriSpringer]

Thank you Dr John thank you for clarifying this mess. Lauren you do wonderful work. I enjoy your relationships with the people around you. Thank you again

[@angelasagingessentials6338]

May justice be served!! May the victims Charles, Tammy, Tylee and JJ rest in peace ❤

[@Strobogrammatica]

The parallel I see is Heather Daybell told how Chad’s mother was regularly disparaged by his father and their sons, everyone piled on about her weight etc. This I think is/was happening to Tammy, in my opinion this can lead after many years to depression. Being “needed” by your family can feel like you are loved but in reality you are being used. In my opinion Garth felt sorry for his mother being a target but was powerless to protect her.

[@lorileary4432]

Lauren & Dr. John = you both looked so nice in Blue yesterday ! Love listening to you both, feel that I actually learn something from you both !

[@motherbear327]

My hunch is that in this closed family system, Tammy held her kids closer to her to "watch" over them and most likely buffer them from Chad. In a marriage such as this where there is subtle control and you believe in covenants and sacrificing everything for family, you learn to survive in the awkwardness dance in your dysfunctional marriage. Someone like Tammy, in my opinion, probably had a good pulse reading on her family and was trying to navigate through Chad's expectations (moving to Idaho) and giving him space to work out his "salvation". She was probably trying to keep it together, like most LDS women do in a suffering marriage, and "wait it out". In the meantime, she continued to have foster relationships with her family and nurture her children and grandchildren and tried to maintain a sense of normalcy as best she could. Now Emma and Garth do not have their mother to buffer them anymore and they are in a tough position. In an abusive home, even if it's subtle (that look you get when you said something wrong, or you just know to keep things on the surface and don't talk about the elephant in the room or the house will cave in) kids learn to tip toe around the abuser (I call it tip toeing around the drunk) and please them. After their mother died, they are left with their father and NO life skills or emotional skills to handle the situation. No healthy boundaries. And I would bet they didn't even have that great of relationship with Chad--at least not like they did with their mother. Just hoping after all this is over, they can sift through the ashes and figure it out for themselves, their mother and each other.

[@SaraMartinez-dr1xi]

Joe Murray doesn't respect law enforcement? Shocker! He does respect Chad Dooms-Daybell? Shocker!!

[@jacquelinecasey1361]

Absolute favorite crime duo on KZbin and podcast. The honest insight and unbiased is enlightening

[@susanfenner6766]

Their auto insurance would be a good place to research who the Primary driver is on the truck. Anytime me and my husband insure our vehicles our insurance broker requires us to put who is the primary driver on each vehicle policy.

[@cynthiagimbel6590]

Interesting how so many defense witnesses testified they didnt discuss this case much w each other. Cannot imagine for myself. But, in my family, following a traumatic revelation of horrific, long term, criminal behavior of a family member there were many relatives who resisted any discussion of the matter....these folks were, and still are, generally resistant to any conversations deeper than daily chit-chat....they r completely unable to face very difficult behaviors amongst us as tho they r hiding from the truth. The truth is so painful that they shove it in a box and bury it. This fleeing behavior has strong roots in my family and I think LDS family dynamics also contribute to this phenomenon where individuals and their thoughts and feelings r undervalued/dismissed.

[@JCluvsdogs]

Well said

[@carolerichard5250]

Thanks Lauren and Dr. John always enjoy your input. ❤️

[@BellaMilan21]

Remember when you showed the clip of Emma pulling up beside, the news reporter and stuck her tongue out and made faces? That's how immature she is!!!

[@merricat3025]

What's frightening is that she has children. This cycle will continue.

[@LilTex0825]

It has to be the media & police’s fault LOL

[@pennylane8401]

@@merricat3025And TEACHES children! 😬

[@edsedlak6827]

The only one that can declare anything dark or light is the fry Master at KFC.

[@diamondeyez135]

And Darth Vader lol 😆

[@gingerhilyer7564]

🤣

[@janhansen7548]

😂

[@lauriwalker8308]

😅😅😅😅😅

[@BellaMilan21]

Those kids will always believe their dad!! Even, when found guilty!!

[@LilTex0825]

Truth is too painful. He’s gotten them to be the victims !

[@thehallidayhive]

Maybe the reason Chad wouldn’t wear the Fitbit Tammy gave him is because he knew he’d be racking up so many “steps” with arm movements in his portal they’d think he was cheating in the competition. 😅

[@diamonminer1803]

Also, his locations could have been recorded depending on the set up. He likely didn't want anything that could keep track of his movements.

[@lindariley5317]

LOL

[@datalisa]

Rewatch crew here. Love having a seat at your table to listen to your conversations!

[@MissMolly3377]

Notice, the Ruby Frankie case, they had a distrust of LE, too. I think they’re taught that.

[@carolecoote1926]

I am in the UK. I am watching your episodes and the Court case. Your insights are fascinating.

[@JulieLadwig-ry8le]

That Daybell home is a “tainted property”. No one but Emily and her husband would rent it. Prior would be stuck with a lemon if not for them. I would not be surprised if the Daybill young adults experienced blowback from their own community after their testimony. Emily seemed more concerned about her mother’s Fitbit usage than her father’s undeniable affair with Lori.

[@juliewilburn2942]

Melanie Gibb couldn’t mastermind ordering lunch 😂

[@ClaudiaYorkPetruny-bc8pg]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@JCluvsdogs]

🤭😄😁😂🤣😂🤣😍

[@LilTex0825]

Good one!

[@carlaperkins655]

Lol!

[@tabbynotacat]

😂 best comment!

[@thano7219]

Thank you to both of you for your dedication and insights 🙌 It makes processing this whole madness possible! I found Emma's whole persona frightening 😳 May justice be served for all the prematurely lost lives, so tragic and evil 😌

[@raineydaze215]

Dr. John your assessment of Melanie’s aura systems is SPOT ON! Yes, it was Melanie’s version of “ we were married in a past probation”.

[@arleenmendoza183]

Dynamic Duo! Thanks for your fantastic insight on the proceedings.

[@arleenmendoza183]

Emma is codependent on her father Chad.Mental manipulation on offspring. Tragic

[@crystaldawn9255]

You're both so lucky to have each other

[@wonderlandalice943]

Who thinks with Tammy’s love for making people laugh that she was messing with the friend and one time did the Fitbit shaking thing and they blew it up to be more?

[@erikabott9209]

I love you both can't wait until you come on. Watching you right now thanks

[@danapreston5729]

I love watching you guys so smart and so much respect for each other.

[@vfromid2186]

I am laying on my bed and just put 50 steps on my Fitbit by waving my arm. It also adds steps when I ride the 4 wheeler. Soooper easy to do.

[@tj6930]

You should leave it in when you wash your hair- you gotta be kind of aggressive though. 😂

[@tj6930]

You can also add it to your dog’s collar.😂

[@madzabinga8382]

Also, the Daybell family foundation totally cracked and has crumbled. Despite their "firm beliefs" and "doing everything right" it all came crashing down, and then the adult kids were expected to move on from Tammy's death instantly, because their "Patriarch" had already moved on. Chad literally abandoned his kids while they were in shocking grief and left them to pick up the pieces of their broken hearts alone, and used religious gaslighting to justify it! Out of love and respect for their "Patriarch" and coupled with staunch religiosity, I am not surprised they are showing no empathy all these years later. I think they chose to move on from all the horror, because they are clinging to any sense of "normalcy" they have left. Chad's actions have isolated his kids from other family members, friends, neighbors, church people, etc. The Daybell kids likely haven't even listened to anything else in regards to the case because they likely just could not handle it. They are moving on with their own families and careers, etc. I wish we could hear from the other three kids. It seems almost unfair to not know how they are all feeling 5 years later.

[@ellendickey4769]

I didn’t know the foundation had collapsed. What a sad end to that, too.

[@CalamityJane831]

Hi Lauren, I know you’ll probably never get this message but I think you definitely need an antibiotic and a duo neb breathing treatment. I’ve been a nurse for 30 years in critical care and other disciplines and the reason you cough when you talk is because, the oxygenation is not able to take place for a deep breath and duo neb breathing treatment would open up your alveoli and then you wouldn’t cough when you talk. Just something to talk with your doctor about.

[@randyvaughan8998]

Tammy was already dead when Garth got home from work

[@ladyhairmd]

And only heard Dad’s snoring. If Tammy has sleep apnea, she would have been louder.

[@debijo5288]

Yes she was dead For Hours, cold n stiff.

[@sharonthorne6451]

Exactly! I made the same comment on a different podcast today. He brought home McDonald's then went to his fright farm job. Got home at 1 am and went to his room. Tammy was murdered before he came back home ar 1:00 am. Chad knew he wouldn't be home till then.

[@mimim9265]

Amen 🙏

[@tabbynotacat]

I agree!! because he didn't want anyone to see Alex stopping by to help him with a murder.

[@rosannacellini2158]

Thankyou Dr. John! And of course, Lauren too. 😍👍🌹🙏

[@BeReal128]

OH Man - I love Dr. John’s perspective! on the Anger & the Daybell family disconnect w/good (law enforcement) & bad (daddy)!

[@tonihoban8350]

Yay! On the replay, but so glad to hear Dr John’s views on today!