Challenger Explains How to Build Your Champion Pool - Support Edition - League of Legends

[@siiimbulan]

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[@bloatware9568]

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[@DarthLeopard]

Super helpful guide. I'm pretty much a fill main in norms (and quite honestly use elorip to pick my champ pretty much every game) but have been trying support in ranked. Champ pool is definitely somewhere I struggled as I enjoy so many different champs so I really didn't know what to pick and I feel like this is a rare issue, so I'm super happy to see a well laid out guide for it! Immensely helpful, thank you!

[@bernardorocha9616]

Hey! This video was f'in amazing info. Can i suggest you can do an updated chart of Hook/Mage/Melee Eng/ Ench for the current season? Since it's a lot different and there's so little content about it? Thank you very much, you helped me a lot on my knowledge since I haven't played for 10y now. Keep up the good work!

[@MrLarxene]

I loved this! I already knew a lot about this already but here is so detailed explained with pools included to visualize better. Thank you for this video!

[@FakeDessert]

Thank you for this guide, I've been thinking about fixing my champ pool since I only play mages and one enchanter

[@bigfish8335]

i like the rock paper scissors analogy peepoShy

[@pajelehoocho2992]

I've been playing lots of glacial, enchanter lux (albeit not at a very high level, D3 atm), i think it is a relatively good blind pick, but I would like to a get pro's opinion. My overall reasoning is that, lux being relatively long ranged, will do well into most enchanters early game, and be evenly matched with other poke mage supports, whilst out scaling them later on due to an enchanter build. She struggles into hook champs, but does ok into melee engage with good q accuracy, and glacial proc will also assist with survivability.

[@ShoDesu]

Lux is a pretty good blind pick if your early enough in draft because the enemy won’t know if it’s mid or support. She actually beats all enchanters as they can’t walk up when her q is up. Her biggest weakness is into hook champs as that matchup is very very hard for her. Overall good blind but if the enemy guesses correctly that you’re lux support and counters with a hook the game becomes difficult.

[@natespringer9934]

Loved the video! This has really helped me to narrow down what champions I want to focus on learning and playing, my champ pool now looks like, Hook: Thresh, Enchanter: Yuumi, Mage: Morgana, Melee Engage: Taric

[@Test-iv4pm]

Please make a support tier list based on difficulty

[@puddotv9352]

Ah, yes. My champ pool. Lux, purple Lux, and Lux again. One needs only Lux.

[@ShoDesu]

Very well rounded!

[@DuckDuckGoose13]

Thank you for this guide! I used it to make my rotation and blind picks for support :) Do you have any advice for how to construct the Bot/ADC Champion Pool? Specifically if you have a subclass breakdown for Bot/ADC like you did for support (Hook, Mage, Enchanter, Melee Engage). I tried figuring it out myself, but the best I came up with or found was Hyper Carry, Poke, All-In/Burst, and Melee/Tank. I'm not sure those make sense though, and if they are 'correct' I'm not sure which would counter which. I know it'll vary case by case, but I'm wondering if there are general subclasses/types and what the rock/paper/scissors system would look like for these subclasses/types.

[@ShoDesu]

Hi Greg, I was trying to figure out a subclass break down but I feel like ADC champ pool is super hard to do it for. I was looking at the wiki/comments and I think that would be a great way to start to make the breakdown. Sorry for not knowing, but im sure you can come up with something that would make sense! leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Champion_classes/Marksman

[@sourcandy5512]

Tbh I really hate the need to adapt to your teammates since most of them don't do that or troll (like picking Luc and having 1 game on him whenever you as a supp take Nami). Plus picking enchanters and tanks makes your agency as a supp even lower in games when your team has no one to carry. So you end up playing champ (I'm talking about whole sub classes, for example some people don't like playing tanks at all) you don't like, getting negative experience and losing eventually. I really love the role but I hate the feeling of being forced and helpless just because I'm playing the role that is "not meant to carry"

[@ShoDesu]

I can totally feel your pain but truthfully draft does not matter as much in solo queue below Challenger. A lot of the theory based stuff I explain is under the assumption that both teams play optimally; in lower divisions, comp does not matter because most of the time solo queue players do not play "correctly." It is very rare for teams to contest objectives as a team because someone always gets caught/rotates late/dies before an objective. It is ALWAYS better to play a champ you are familiar with even if it messes up draft, than to play a champ you are not familiar with to compensate for a bad draft. Support is a fantastic role that does feel helpless at times when you have a bad team, but you can carry just as hard as any other role if you can gap the other support hard enough!

[@osokratos]

Thanks for the video!!

[@neelomach]

I've discovered that (excluding the extremes and exceptions) there are only a few support champions that are played in high elo Rakan, Rell, Naut, Karma, Seraphine and Leona

[@s1stemique]

Alistar bard poppy braum soraka

[@nunrevan8128]

I like your videos and i hope that you will make more. I have a question. Whats the reason amumu is a hook support and leona not? Are the two so different?

[@ShoDesu]

Yes thank you for your comment! I classified them differently because Leona’s E is very short and one of the elements of a melee engage can be that they buff their defensive stats (Leona’s w in this case)

[@nunrevan8128]

@@ShoDesu Thanks for the explanation

[@robertbridgeman239]

Will you be coming out with a laning fundamentals guide as support for each sub class?

[@ShoDesu]

Great question! I have actually not considered making a video on this but might do so in the future.

[@kn7892]

My champion pool is Janna, Rakan and Brand/Zyra. I only lack a hook champ. I don't feel comfortable with Naut, Thresh and Blitz tho... I will try out Amumu and Pyke

[@rutts499]

Great guide!

[@Spiderbro8]

I will def consider adding some of the blind picks like Karma or Renata into my pool as I hate blind picking Janna. My pool would probably be Janna, Amumu, Leona. I enjoy Nami and Taric but I can’t seem to find a place for them within my pool :(

[@ShoDesu]

I totally agree with you in hating blind picking Janna haha. It's hard to minimize a champion pool because there are some fun champs to play, but keep in mind this is for climbing. You are going to need to sacrifice some fun to improve.

[@Spiderbro8]

@@ShoDesu Would you alter your skill order when blind picking Karma into certain matchups ? Also do you play Guardian Janna sometimes ? I always glacial

[@ShoDesu]

@@Spiderbro8 No, I always max Q -> E -> W. Karma wins in a lot of match ups and your goal for her is to win lane. I never run Guardian Janna, I am also a huge glacial fan haha. I have a video that shows my rune/item for Janna set up if you want to check that out!

[@NullSheen]

Hi There, Love this series and I realise it is old. Looking at the chart, I wonder when you need to use the Mage if you have a Hook, Melee Engage and Enchanter. It appears to cover all the options. I started with Morgana but thinking of trying Lux, been playing Sona and Maokai and was looking to get Thresh next as the blind pick. However, I struggle to think of when I would pick Morgana/Lux in that line-up?

[@ezechyeldovale887]

How do you realize what type of roles your team is lacking?

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[@oliviahwang1984]

thank you for the guide!! i've been trying to figure out what my champ pool should be and this helped out a lot! would a champ pool of nami, lux, leona and karma/renata be alright? or is it necessary to include a hook champion within that pool

[@ShoDesu]

I'm so happy to hear that! Your champ pool is perfectly fine, you don't need to have all the subclasses in the pool!

[@kaddy8947]

My champ pool atm is Amumu, Sona, Neeko, would you say I need a blind pickable champ? Been considering Pyke since he's AD and great roamer but I don't know if he's good for blind picking, I also have a sneaky suspicion that neeko can suffice for blind pick since she can flex. So my 2 questions are 1- Is Pyke a good blind pick? 2- Is Neeko a good blind pick?

[@ShoDesu]

Pyke is not a good blind pick champ because he has A LOT of counters. You can def get away with neeko because she can be played mid top or support. I personally think she’s super under rated

[@keegan8517]

Let’s say my picks are, Renata, Morgana, nautilus, and Leona. How do I know which type works with my adc best? Do you have any tips for this? Enchanters with late game adcs like Vayne, kogmaw, etc.

[@ShoDesu]

I feel like I sort of know which support synergizes well with which adc through experience and thinking about how certain abilities interact with eachother.

[@keegan8517]

@@ShoDesu okay, thanks. I’ll keep that in mind.

[@judemaij5316]

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[@Moii369]

some advices for building my midlane champ pool? thanks :) like how can apply this, mage, assasins, splitpush?

[@ShoDesu]

i'm not sure all the subclasses for mid lane, all I know is that assassins beats control mages. My friend @zianni, will know better as he is a challenger mid lane. You can ask him on his stream!

[@costelmuraru7750]

When to pick an enchanter support like nami. In which comp?

[@sagittariusbstar1805]

I mainly play Thresh and mained Seraphine before him. Since some time now I also play Renata, sometimes Bard, in rare occasions Braum and Nami. What do you think of my champion pool?

[@Tall-Hobbit]

not the uploader but he did say in the video that you should have 2-4 not 6 champions plus if I were you I would limit myself to either thresh, renata or bard since all of them are hard to play and master and playing all 3 would probably result in not climbing for quite a while since you will need a long time to play them well

[@sagittariusbstar1805]

@@Tall-Hobbit Of these three only Bard is the one I can let go off lol. I am already mastery 7 with Thresh and learnt a lot about Renata's strengths and weaknesses. I guess I will focus on Thresh, Renata, Sera and Braum. I will ignore Nami and Bard, therefore have 2 enchanters less, since I already have two. If you consider that I can play Thresh (by no means perfect of course), and am learning Renata (which is annoying when mates run away in decay phase), I should be fine now, right?

[@Tall-Hobbit]

@@sagittariusbstar1805 yeah definitely better although you can't expect the climb to be easy since thresh and renata need a lot of games to be decent especially as soon as you hit higher elos. This is generally why high elo players tell low elo players to play easy champions because it allows you to learn the lane and because you don't have to focus on learning/mastering the champion. To give an example: Nidalee jungle is extremely hard which is why you don't really see it below diamond because learning jungle tracking is a lot easier with xin zhao where you don't have to think about a billion things while doing your combo.

[@alenbejtic1962]

wow. thank you for the amazing video

[@ShoDesu]

of course

[@ricardodasilva7382]

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[@anacapamori]

Great video! Exactly what I was looking for. I main support and play mostly Blitzcrank and Sona. Covers my hook and enchanter. I am thinking of adding Rakan as my melee engage, and Lux as my mage. I currently blind pick Blitzcrank because hooks are always useful even if I’m down 10 levels and a minion. What are your thoughts on this pool?

[@ShoDesu]

sounds like a great pool! Once you pick up Rakan, id use him as your blind pick.

[@anacapamori]

@@ShoDesu I’ll practice my Rakan to make him my blind pick. He’s so fun! Thanks for your reply! Looking forward to your future content!

[@Daletyr]

Would Thresh Alistar and Hwei be a good champion pool ? i feel like its well rounded since hwei can be a mage and an enchanter depending of the playlist . What's your thoughts on it ?

[@DailyDoWell]

Been playing for about a year now. I basically only played lux till m7 220K. I dabbled with a bit of Galio and Nautilus, but since 12.11 came out I've been one tricking Swain. Swain can play any role but jungle. Does that make him blind pickable? Are lux and Swain too similar to have in a group of 4? Swain is WAY more fun to play for me than lux. I like nauti a lot. I want to round out my pool and I want to know if you have any suggestions

[@ShoDesu]

I think Swain is a really good pick right now because he can be flexed mid. Lux and Swain are not similar so you will actually have a nice champ pool with Naut, Swain, Lux, and Galio!

[@DailyDoWell]

@@ShoDesu Swain and lux do play very differently. I was thinking they were similar because they are mages with damage and CC. You also mentioned enchanters are strong right now, and I completely agree. I have played galio as a support maybe 5 times. Is there an enchanter you would suggest? Should I "drop" Galio for an enchanter? Edit: I played galio mid a lot starting out. In my opinion he is too good at a shove and roam play-style to justify taking him botlane. I feel he would NOT want to get hooked considering he is very weak to AD/his W passive shield is for AP

[@ShoDesu]

@@DailyDoWell Honestly I think Swain would fall under hook rather than mage. I totally agree with you in that Galio probably does not want to get hooked as he is good only against heavy ap comps/ mage ADC match ups. An enchanter I would suggest to pick up is Renata. She is currently the best support!

[@puddotv9352]

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[@Bighomer5]

I'm not entirely convinced it's good to pick champions that play vastly dfferent from one another. It's probably fine to have like 1 Enchanter & 1 Engage to adjust based on what the team needs and then another one of either for when your pick is banned. Informative video though, very appricated!

[@alexotic7413]

nice video is rakan, bard, naut and thresh a good pool?

[@ShoDesu]

Thanks! I pool is fine if you take out Naut. Bard and thresh are good first picks but I’d imagine the way you’d play the draft is to pick bard and then counter pick with rakan and thresh

[@vitduarte4685]

Hello! Just watched the vid and was exactly what I was looking for! So, Nami is my bread and butter, which enchanters you’d say play different than her and are a worthwhile pick?

[@ShoDesu]

JANNA!!!!!

[@davemcl1057]

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[@Test-iv4pm]

Since mage supports counter both melee engage, and enchanters, and melee engage and enchanters are the two largest categories of support champion, should we be prioritizing mage supports in our pool?

[@btvitek1671]

My pool is a bit larger than 4, probably 6-10 champs if I take my cheese teemo support into it, but I am also not challenger. Just removed all the tanky supps, if I need engage I pick rakan, tanky supps doesnt feel good at all, untill you play them as 2nd jungler. Its fine for soloq, but in premade gameplay.

[@Tall-Hobbit]

I mean the reason the pool is so small usually isn’t because they are challenger it’s to give you the optimal climbing experience and more champions means less skill on those champions which in turn makes climbing harder

[@stefantronix5805]

bard enchanter OMG he is frickin playmaker like pyke thresh nautilus and blitz bra

[@Test-iv4pm]

How do you determine if a certain support has a lot of bad matchups or not?

[@lootcrate3800]

Bit late here but what does amumu fit into this graph?

[@ngohai0]

what do you think about yuumi maokai Alistair? I'm mostly play support with friend and I'm bad with skillshot😞

[@ShoDesu]

I think the only thing your champ pool is missing is a blind pick. It totally ok to play non-skillshot champions!

[@sylvainbonnamy987]

What would be a good pool built around pyke

[@Fisherman399t]

just any enchanter + a good blind pick. Pyke doesnt really do well with ADCs like Kog or Aphelios who are weak early and want to scale, so you can pick an enchanter with peel like lulu or janna. As for a blind pick, just play whatever blind pick you like most or is the easiest for you(Rakan, Naut, Bard), since pyke can struggle into other hook champs who have an easy time hooking him while he is charging his, since it reduces his movement speed. Hope i could help

[@jeremycastaneda2146]

What about Swain, what sub class is it? :(

[@Test-iv4pm]

Since the best players have most games on a small pool of 2-4 champions, why do you think they pick their other lesser played champions when they do?

[@ShoDesu]

I’d assume it’s to test out buffs for patch notes. I think people also just try out stuff for fun

[@Test-iv4pm]

@@ShoDesu Thank you

[@CrumbsBakery420]

Why do I never see neeko on these videos :(

[@warudobaby5625]

In what world taric and braum are engege supports?

[@ShoDesu]

They are not engage supports but for the sake of the diagram they were pooled in melee engage supports. Like I said in the video, you could get very specific with each champion's role, but to keep things simple I grouped the supports into four subclasses.

[@zezanje1]

you can go on league wiki and look up the support role where you can see all the subclasses and where each champ resides, but if you were to chose out of the 4 types of supports shown in the video mele engage probably suits them best

[@Test-iv4pm]

Why is Karma very different from Janna?

[@davemardrov777]

This game makes me wanna hurt myself in very bad ways.

[@Assassinss77]

Amumu is the best champ who can hook!

[@ShoDesu]

I agree! I have him pretty high on my tier list!

[@flufflesthedeer3774]

How would you feel if I told you my Main Mage Support is Vex? (Jack Rabbit, If you need to look up my stats to know I'm not joking)

[@opa-age]

The problem is the meta keeps changing...

[@SuicidelG]

No sion huh

[@Spunom1]

Where singed

[@ShoDesu]

Spunom singed runs na

[@fiddlemyriddle1164]

Hear me out. I main shaco.

[@ShoDesu]

im sorry to hear that

[@arrowsecho5779]

you have a very calming voice

[@ShoDesu]

Thank you haha

[@matteverga]

1:10 can you same plan for all role ? it's so fantastic content