Chandelles - Commercial Flight Training

After the Lazy Eight video a lot of folks have been asking for a video on the Chandelle, another commercial flight training maneuver. The Chandelle is a maximum performance 180º climbing turn. The first half has constant bank and changing pitch and the second half has constant pitch and changing bank ... but there is nothing constant about the way you fly it. There is a lot going on. In this video I will explain some of the aerodynamics you have to deal with while flying the Chandelle and point of some of the finer points on how to get the job done.
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[@larryrichardson5167]

These are REALLY REALLY clear concise examples.

[@0970ej]

This is the best Chandelle demo video so far, it helps a lot, thank u!

[@joesillamanrs7189]

Underrated channel, thank you sir!

[@timothyjaved8999]

The BEST EXPLANATION EVERY!!! Hats off sir!! You are a blessed teacher

[@MichaelLloyd]

Awesome. I'm about to get back in the air after a 22 year hiatus and these videos are very helpful. I found an instructor yesterday, medical was done a few weeks ago... I wish I lived closer to CA.

[@Justin-id3km]

Awesome video, these help tremendously. I was referred to your page by my CFI for the lazy 8 maneuver, and after watching that, my lazy 8’s improved dramatically. I go to your videos for all maneuvers now. Thank you!

[@paulhatfield1893]

I have been struggling to find my touch on this maneuver. Thank you Jason for some great examples and things to try.

[@jonathonbuchholtz8516]

Great instruction videos. The one on lazy eights completely changed the way I think about the maneuver. Appreciate your work!

[@jonathonbuchholtz8516]

You should consider an instruction video for eights on pylons.

[@4hockeyskate]

ive been subbed to you for a while and honestly always figured you had atleast 100k subscribers, until i just looked !... wayyyyy under rated channel thank you for all that you provide for us.

[@TheFinerPoints]

Thanks! Help me spread the word! :)

[@flyboy6354]

Great video. Thanks for sharing.

[@bagels377]

Thank you for the video! Got my ppl and starting commercial maneuvers! This will help

[@abbieamavi]

*I passed my Instrument checkride Dec 16th 2020, and now I'm going straight into Commercial. I did the maneuvers with my CFI awhile back, just for fun, and I loved them all! Feels like a roller coaster. Thanks for the video as always, fantastic content always.* :)

[@alejandrogodoy4696]

THANK U. U ARE A GREAT INSTRUCTOR!!! MAKING IT "SIMPLE" & USING UR HANDS & SMALL AIRPLANE. A.G.

[@j.vincenttaylor8916]

Thanks jason, simple explanation of a complex maneuver. I enjoy your relaxes yet concise teaching style. Do you do requests??? Could you do a vlog on ‘spot landings’ as it applies to smaller, unimproved strips, ie no numbers? Good skill id love to get your take on. thanks

[@FLEXCopMNPD]

I really love your content. I am getting back into flying after an 9 year hiatus and am about to start on my Instrument rating. Your videos keep me motivated. Keep up the great work.

[@TheFinerPoints]

Thank you! It's great to hear that.

[@ozziepilot2899]

Even as a private pilot this manoeuvre should be taught or post training to increase the new pilot's skills and confidence (and practice often to stay current). Nicely explained here , thank you.

[@TheWColeman]

Ask and ye shall receive. Thanks for the video! Excellent stuff!

[@N3003Q]

This guy is an inspiration!

[@danieldillon9225]

Great video- thank you for posting.

[@johnscarloshow5315]

Jason! Really enjoying your methods. You bring an “aviators” point of view to the game when most CFIs just want a checkride pass. Any demonstrations on 8s on pylons? Been really struggling with the proper approach and execution of the maneuver.

[@elainegmorrison]

Yes, the lazy eights video is amazing!

[@topoftheline3822]

Awesome instructor. 🏆🛩

[@dadadaxu7948]

you r a so sososos good teacher!

[@BikerBaji]

Hi Jason first of thank you very much for making these videos for us aspiring pilots!!! Second, could you please put these Commercial maneuvers in a separate “playlist” like you have one for IFR, it will be easier to find these maneuvers for us lazy pilots 😜😎

[@zenartvonduke380]

i like how you're making it simple to understand the maneuver. but i think it is best to show the accuracies afterwards like getting +400ft and maintaining the airspeed during the maneuver. like a focus camera directed on those instruments for crosschecking that you're doing it right. i like how you focus on the Visual too as how it is supposed to be

[@NN-uu9qo]

thank you for the video.

[@midlifeflyer]

Never heard the 7 second mantra before. Yesterday used it with a private pilot who wanted to try a commercial maneuver during his flight review. Like in your video, he nailed the maneuver on the second try. Thanks Jason.

[@TheFinerPoints]

Awesome! It's great to hear that, thx

[@midlifeflyer]

I figured quickly that the 7 count was for timing the pullback, removing a major common error- getting the pitch up too slowly or too quickly. It paces the pull back and I can see it for many other uses when teaching other maneuvers.

[@TheFinerPoints]

Yes, that's the idea

[@gustavomedina8840]

Nice !!!! Great video. Greets from México.

[@pinkdispatcher]

Thanks, your channel is very inspiring. I've read about chandelles, and saw the entry speed for it placarded in my Socata Rallye (it's a speed the 100 hp variant can only reach in a dive), but since they are only required for commercial, I never did them. Maybe I'll ask my instructor some day to demonstrate them to me, I don't think I'm brave enough to try that alone (now flying a 180 hp DR.400 Remorqueur).

[@TheFinerPoints]

yeah best to get some dual on it first

[@Saltlick11]

Great video

[@orlandospencer]

Thank you Jason. It is like every time I am about to start a new rating, you do a vid on it. So was it with IR now with CPL

[@TheFinerPoints]

Great timing Orlando!

[@stephenyoungblood3683]

Another great one! “full throttle” in a fix prop 172, but reference your POH as HP fixed pitch planes have lower limits.

[@TheFinerPoints]

Good point, thx

[@ramimehyar481]

Flying with ONLY the sight picture is not being stressed on enough from many instructors out there, apart from glider instructors. This is where Jason rocks: "Don't look inside, there is nothing there!'' :D

[@gaspica355]

thank you !!!!! very clear :)

[@renmanmb]

Another good one Jason. I'm going to come up and see you late September in my new ride. Cheers-Ren

[@TheFinerPoints]

Steve Rennie I’m looking forward to that!

[@renmanmb]

I'd love to do some of these maneuvers with you on the SR22T. On the way to a golf course!

[@TheFinerPoints]

Steve Rennie oh man, that sounds good. As long as you don’t laugh at my rusty golf game - trade you some pointers?

[@renmanmb]

Deal!!

[@Zalaniar]

Those were some long seconds lol; your 7-one-thousand came at about 11 seconds after your 1-one-thousand. Lol just messing around though. In all seriousness, I really love the way you break down what each maneuver is trying to teach instead of just blindly doing it like other instructors I've seen. I love your teaching style and wish I could train with you, but sadly I live nowhere near California lol. Awesome video as always!

[@TheFinerPoints]

Irixio Zalaniar haha okay, we’ll calibrate to my count ... it’s about that long

[@adamcampbell9693]

Any chance you will be making an eights on pylons video?

[@hull39]

I was just about to ask this. :). Looking forward to the eights on pylons video.

[@gunsaway1]

Wish my instructor was that good!

[@Fly2992]

I think you meant to say left rudder at 1:19. Am I correct? Great explanation!

[@dojoswitzer]

I am a little surprised you omitted a link in the Description to the reference Lazy 8s video.

[@Roulyhawkdown]

Is there a reason why you didn't use trim? Does it make the Chandelle more difficult?

[@duffmasterj]

I'm a commercial pilot with 3200 hours, and when I learned Chandelles, hearing the stall warning horn was part of the maneuver. So today, my friend at Coast Academy got a checkride bust for the stall horn going off at the top of the chandelle. The DPE failed her. She was flabbergasted. Am I missing something? Have the standards changed in the last two years?

[@mintewolde4351]

It is expected to maintain airspeed 5-10kts above the stalling speed of the aircraft as u complete the maneuvre

[@sawyerbeals5105]

@@mintewolde4351 depending on the plane it sounds like she did. Most stall horns will go off 5 knots above the stall speed

[@colinboone9920]

@@mintewolde4351stall warning horns go off 5-10kts above stall speed, therefore, the failure was absurd. I don't know why this current wave of DPEs think the stall warning in a failure because it is actually the perfect indicator.

[@mrkhan2983]

please do a video on Wing over .

[@prosing2115]

Yes sir

[@sailhavasu]

Great stuff as always!!! You are a true Educator AS WELL as an Aviator!!! That is a rare thing. 🙂

[@TheFinerPoints]

Thanks Sean

[@joro18d93]

Great vid once again. Thank you

[@downwithreactionaries9031]

The lastest FAA ACS for CPL is really confusing -- should I apply full power before turning, or should I start turning and then apply full power.

[@aryank2000]

look at AFM. Apply full power first and then pitch, bank simultaneously

[@Will-ol9lp]

What about stall speed and recovery just in case the aircraft has a malfunction in the Chandelles Thank you Will

[@TheFinerPoints]

What kind of malfunction? What about the stall speed?

[@Rickenbacker69]

These are really good! I assume this might be useful for getting out of a box canyon or a similar scenario? It kind of reminds me of entering a thermal in my glider, where I might start at 180 km/h, turn and climb towards the side I feel the wing lift, and want to end up in a 30-45 degree banking turn at near stall speed. Hopefully circling the middle of the thermal (but usually not :)).

[@aryank2000]

When counting. How would you know what is the amount of pitch to hold during counting.

[@TheFinerPoints]

The only way to know is to memorize the sight picture. Take the airplane out and go to a maximum power high pitch attitude in a climbing turn ... stop when you hear the stall horn, don't let the airplane stall ... and memorize the picture ... in both directions.

[@glider1232]

Glider pilots practice what I think is a chandelle.. I think.. Cruising at maybe 100 to 110 knots and encountering lift (thermal), a quick pull up and 45 degree bank while slowing to maybe 45-50 knots, ( thermal circling speed), while gaining 200-400 feet, resulting in hopefully being in a position, speed and bank angle to climb in the thermal.. It happens pretty fast when done properly.. Is that a chandelle?

[@pilotavery]

Yes

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

Before chandelles you should practice Chandelle Stalls to right and left too.. 30 degree banks at almost full power simulating high density alt. mountain pass 180 emergency turn. Try those maneuvers for Hard pilots.

[@eriabcdef7769]

I can’t find the instagram

[@SirRawtcha]

Is there a specific altitude that you expect to gain after the chandelle is complete?

[@FoxVictorBravo]

In an Arrow I've been gaining 500ft pretty consistently.

[@micahclaussen5929]

There is no altitude requirements for this maneuver. The point is to gain as much altitude as possible, and not lose any at the end of the maneuver in the recovery.

[@SirRawtcha]

Micah Claussen so the exercise ends at the same altitude as when you start the exercise?

[@micahclaussen5929]

No, typically you will gain about 500 feet. But it depends on the performance of your airplane, as well as what speed you enter the maneuver. Say you enter heading 180º, and 3,000 feet. You should exit the maneuver heading 360º and approximately 3,500.

[@TheFinerPoints]

Micah sums it up pretty well, no altitude requirement, depends on the plane but typically in most trainers about 500ft

[@JapanesePiano1]

Hi :D

[@TheFinerPoints]

Hi Jack!

[@EatPezzzz]

I've seen many of The Finer Points videos and they're usually outstanding. I'm coming to this video not knowing what a chandelle is. After watching, I still don't know.

[@mvb819]

If you need to make an about-face turn and at the same time gain as much altitude as possible, that maneuver is a chandelle.

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

. At that high altitude of 4,000 agl you wont pull that much. Most chandelle stalls happen on mountain passes. Around mountains you pull more without trying to. Do them while pointing between 2 high clouds simulating a mountain pass or pointing to real mountains.. tall mountains a few miles away only and not very far bologni. If not, it is a phony mountain pass Chandelle. Most chandelle stalls pilot errors happen on mountain passes, not at 4,000 feet over very flat terrain. LOL..

[@josephhenrich7784]

would enjoy your videos more WITHOUT the awesome music.

[@khan_585]

Any chance you will be making an eights on pylons video?