The Secret Barrister on why it's so difficult for rape victims to get justice

[@Ghost3210]

Best case for victims will be a few years of prison for the rapist, for an event that will greatly negatively effect or even destroy the victims lives. Another great example why law does not equal justice.

[@Ghost3210]

@MGazT such are different cases, but the root of the issue here isn't too different. Being wrongly accused of horrible crimes does great damage, but in a different way. Of course the law usually falls short when it comes to putting such wrong accusers to justice. However, at the end of the day if you are truly guilty or not is decided by people based on how much the evidence is based against you. So if someone is really good at framing and you have nothing to prove your innocence than that can be just as devastating as an situation where you have not enough evidence for a crime that actually happened. It is a flawed system, but that is what we accept by living in a certain country. Unless you are trapped in your country, which means you can't even choose the laws you are judged by.

[@gerardo9052]

False accusations

[@ianwazowski5607]

@@gerardo9052are extremely rare

[@zuzannanowicka6348]

It happened to me, yet I got further bullied by the police force :/

[@Bt-er7it]

​@@zuzannanowicka6348is there something new ..did he get punishment

[@Tomara632]

It's difficult for victims to get justice because their entire life is put under the microscope. The way they dress, behave, talk and all past boyfriends.

[@LightningFlash178]

They scrutinize the victim more than the rapist. They wanted to know every fing detail about me but did shot about investigating the rapist. Then they were like well you don’t have the required evidence to prosecute. Why TH put me under a microscope for? Like a complete waste of time.

[@Sainibala]

Amazing work... I'd Love to work with this wonderful man!

[@Sainibala]

@Anthony Superior black race Joshua Gosh - very good point. My bad. [Previous statement retracted]. I'd love to work with this wonderful human being. Hope you've had an awesome day.

[@kippen64]

Could you please do a video on why it's so hard for stalking victims to get justice?

[@2Sugarbears]

Male dominated world. Period full stop.

[@austinplant6877]

@@2Sugarbears elaborate

[@liberalbias4462]

@@2Sugarbears no

[@michaelpettersson4919]

​@@2SugarbearsNope, plenty enough female stalkers as well.

[@tlangdon12]

The MET statement at the end of this video is, dare I say it, a cop out. Just doing the bare minimum isn't good policing, it is mediocre policing and by not acknowledging it as such, the MET confirm that they are self-serving, not public-serving.

[@ArranVid]

I was sexually assaulted several times but I would never go to the police because I am from an ethnic minority background and I am afraid of racism by the police and I am afraid that they will not take my ordeals seriously. I am a man, by the way.

[@hypalegendzyt6819]

Trust me I’m white it’s happened to me (not racism) but they didn’t take it as serious as what would of happened if a woman would of said the same thing happened to her then man would get banged up straight away

[@michellemcgarr1709]

Excellent work 🎉. Thank you for sharing this

[@pamelamitchell9059]

There are so many things wrong with the approach. The entire system needs an overhaul! Criminals have outsmarted the system, they know the laws and process of investigations and how antiquated they are. Technology has outpaced our laws. For all people involved our justice systems across the globe need restructuring.

[@guff9567]

My nine-year-old daughter was raped by a High Court Judge called: "Deputy Master Meacher".

[@marksantrian7776]

Very thought provoking!

[@msstar7109]

I’m so scared 😢pls god give justice

[@PeaceInChrist23]

That's disgusting re:the police wanting seven years of your phone downloads for "Emily" (Not the real name) and what an evil you know what, re: Samuel's rape convicting women, wanting to get paid for a news story and using a false accusation as an excuse!!!!

[@scottphillips2555]

Absolutely disgraceful. I have a friend who was victimised and manipulated. This was her first sexual experience… she was not drunk and was mentally and emotionally blackmailed into visiting his house when he forced himself on her. She never wanted to go to the police as she isolated herself from everything and was too scared to take things forward as he had taken photos of her. So a few years down the line if she wants to change her mind, she has absolutely no chance of justice. Breaks my heart.

[@gerardo9052]

Lies

[@demorphplays4348]

Ah yes going to someone’s house who clearly is going to rape you and then being surprised when you are raped, then not going to the police waiting years and expecting justice

[@Babidi111]

@@kekker7 - right, like years later what can they do. So many girls have little stories like this and the one thing you can be sure it gets them, is a closer bond with their friends. Like he said,he's heart broken for her and think about it a lot and Id bet he even gives her more of a pass on behavior as you remind yourself what a victim she is and how it must have affected her mind. Thats not to say she for sure made this up, just that its a story many girls have a version of and its usually far enough in the past and they don't want to name names and the only side you will ever hear is theirs. It's just not good for anyone these days to take stories about peoples ex's being narcissist's or how how this guy in the past gave them this issue so you now have to have patience when I act like this or do that. Judge people by how they behave in the now and dont play these games of damaged pasts that seem to be used as scape goat for their entire futures worth of toxic behavior.

[@BoffinGrusky]

I am an old man, and if enough young men would pay close attention to this subject, they might eventually stop victimizing themselves. “If you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas.”

[@BoffinGrusky]

@BLAIR M Schirmer I think you have to be a moron, if you're not cognizant of the caustic social environment created by Feminism and the "Me too" movement. When sexual encounters are viewed as casual entertainments, you are knowingly taking a stroll in a field of landmines. If you happen to step on a mine, who else is there to blame?

[@sgt7]

@@BoffinGrusky I think modern feminism, as a movement in general, would not be in favour of a fair trial for an accused. Although, I think most women are honest and see this form of feminism for the irrational filth it is. I think if men feel they are in danger of being accused falsely they should keep a diary describing the event and context - memory may forget details which can be useful in court.

[@baronzemo457]

Yeah sure buddy. Any man with self respect would never support these biased rape laws that UK has. And who are you to compare young men to dogs 😂

[@gerardo9052]

Agree

[@rosiegiesler4705]

Everything is based upon the victim lying rather than the perpetrator doing the crime and that is the problem until that approach goes we will constantly be taking the side of the perpetrator

[@PatrickStar19872]

Because MANY females do this. Trust me.

[@ssppooppcristi6734]

So if a women acuses me of raping I should be seen as guilty just cause she said so ?

[@allbutperfect]

@@PatrickStar19872 what evidence do you have? stats? anything but your word?

[@PatrickStar19872]

@@allbutperfect Evidence of what? I was accused of rape recently.

[@PatrickStar19872]

@@allbutperfect Women notoriously lie and accuse men of it all the time because a lot of you are either insecure or jealous. It's a common theme.

[@Sleepflowrr]

Can you prosecute the PM? He has several archived cases

[@joydot7620]

😬🤨🤯

[@sophietopham8822]

thanks for showing the two types of victims in this so important that we remember the wrongly accused

[@DH-uq1zw]

It sounds pretty rational and reasonably balanced to me, “it’s often the only lifeline an innocent defendant has”.

[@sgt7]

I think it's wrong to automatically attribute the charging gap to legal/policing shortcomings. It may simply be in the nature of the crime that evidence is difficult to obtain. Enough evidence needs to be acquired that a jury will be put beyond all reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty. A conviction surely must be based on more than just the word of the alleged victim. It is a merely groundless assumption (as far as I can tell) to say that we can ever have a high charging rate on this type of crime. This is because it is based on the assumption that the gathering of sufficient evidence is frequently possible. That's why I think it's very important for victims to bring as much evidence to the police as possible. I've no doubt this is difficult give their trauma. But on a practical level, an accused is convicted on what the evidence shows - not on what they did/did not do. This would help lower the charging gap I think.

[@authentic_bongza]

Makes sense.

[@sgt7]

@@authentic_bongza yes I was on a jury of a rape trial many years ago. The alleged victim unfortunately did not report the alleged incident until two years after it allegedly occurred. I can understand the distress that reporting an incident might cause. But much of the evidence was gone by that stage (witness memory, cctv, medical exam was too late to conduct, etc). Without this the Jury are left with little to convict on.

[@michaelpettersson4919]

Rape victims have a problematic tendency to feel dirty and as such clean off possible evidence. Also they are probably in a state if chock so their memory of the event may be incoherent. And it is a defense mechanism not to resist to avoid that a rapist will harm the victim. Not resisting may be taken as consent by the court. Rigging up cameras and filming the act in order to prove that was consent was given is highly unromantic however.

[@davidsmith6661]

So we start with an allegation by a woman - one person's word against another. The (potential) defendant could be facing a significant period in custody just on that basis. Bear in mind the onus probandii is on the prosecution. It is usually straightforwards to show that intercourse has taken place. The element in doubt is the consent. How many women agree to copulation - and then subsequently, after the act, change their minds - for a variety of reasons. They suddenly think they might be pregnant, or worried that a husband or boyfriend might discover their activities - or just simple malice against the man. If we carry on with the route this argument is taking, we will end up with a situation where men will have to obtain written consent signed and witnessed by two independant persons before intercourse can take place.

[@bladerubber]

The Law doesn't care about retrospective feelings on consent! It cares about consent at the time and that if a LACK is claimed that LACK is something a reasonable person should've been able to identify at the time..so what you say is appallingly imaginary and misogynistic.

[@methylene5]

@@bladerubber You missed the point entirely. He's saying they consented, then changed their minds the next day or whenever and for any of a variety of reasons, then claimed rape.

[@gerardo9052]

​@@bladerubber women change their minds like they change shoes The Best route is to leave them completely alone

[@DatActiveGuy]

The justice system is messed up! I have friend who had a sexual experience with this guy she never liked, she swore she would never sleep with him ever. One day they were alone drinking at his house and they ended up doing the deed. She only slept with him because she wasn’t thinking straight, she went to the police and they did nothing they basically told her it was her fault and refused to charge him.

[@a81758]

If he didn't force her he's not guilty

[@mrnobody4771]

If she consented and was not forced then he did nothing wrong AT ALL. Far too many "victims" crying rape and sexual assault cos the next day they regret it. They have no idea the damage it causes those that are accused. Literally destroys their lives. With all due respect, I hope your friend was given a rough time by the police for wasting their time. And maybe next time not drink so much her rational thinking was perturbed.

[@DatActiveGuy]

@@mrnobody4771 What do you mean? So are trying to say it’s not rape if you regret it after? 😱 But but but… that would mean my friend would have to take accountability for her decisions , as a women she shouldn’t have to 😡 She should be free from all consequences of her actions. What kind of messed up world do we live in?

[@mrnobody4771]

@@DatActiveGuy I’m hoping this is sarcasm. For the sake of your own mental state

[@kekker7]

​@@DatActiveGuyjokes aside the same thing happened to my boy when we were 16. Rather than admit she'd cheated on her bf, her nasty little friends whipped it up into a rape case. The truth came out and naturally she got away with it. She's now a lesbian but it was the drama chasing sl@gs around her that stoked the situation

[@TheShepTV]

Hi Secret Barrister, Can you tell me why those who falsely accuse of rape aren't themselves immediately tried themselves? It seems thats the best way of protecting real victims, the accused, faith in the system, etc., ? Just something I've often wondered. I know you're probably not there, but hey ho, it's typed now.

[@TheShepTV]

M H good point. But when it’s cut and dry like that it ought to be different. The ‘victim’ is no longer the victim. The falsely accused is the victim.

[@leroygoldbridge8874]

Too many false accusers get away with it.

[@arcticgoddess]

Compared to the thousands of real rapes, false rapes barely happen. That's according to men surveyed.

[@methylene5]

They just reply with the usual "But prosecuting false accusers discourages genuine victims from coming forward" mantra, which actually could be equally applied to all crimes. They want to make it enshrined in law, that if a woman says it was rape, then it was rape. End of. Then they have the gall to claim they only want equality.

[@bilalrandhawa3332]

Some victims are not a victims they are devils, who put wrong allegations on other and destroy their life.

[@viclally4126]

what about false accusations ? happend to me im not the same anymore

[@gerardo9052]

An eye for an eye

[@viclally4126]

but not my fault tho i dint even do anything .. i’m god fearing person don’t even make friends easily

[@biker3762]

bro what happeed did they investiagte you I have been falsi#lehy acused alslo now and been waiitng an investiagtion

[@AS-gz8oe]

Be careful if your barrister. Mine advised me not to mention 3 things that I thought were crucial. In the end I had to bring them up myself whilst on the stand and it's the only thing that got me off. If id listened to my barrister I'd be doing 7-9 years.

[@MilesYbsvsvsvs]

@@AS-gz8oewhat were they

[@rjkmusicmedia]

If you proved they were guilty and the other innocent, why would they be guilty and still walk free? Jailing without evidence, on a hunch?

[@2Sugarbears]

What evidence do YOU need?

[@rjkmusicmedia]

@@2Sugarbears If you actually look into successful cases, the types of evidence accepted are numerous.

[@nicksimmons7234]

Tory cuts, what a surprise! It’s a great book by the secret barrister!

[@tlangdon12]

I would go so far as to say it the most important book written about life in the UK in the 21st century. It should be a set book in English and Welsh schools.

[@C2FUX]

It shouldn't. It only maters on evidance, she might have been a tart previously but that means nothing now

[@desbest4]

Channel 4 years ago aired a docudrama called Consent. It's worth watching

[@frankhynd885]

There are a lot of people who are mad or bad. Thus men and women should only enter into intimate relationships with non-promiscuous people of good character that they know well enough to trust. Otherwise the health, financial, career and legal consequences can be devastating.

[@katfoster845]

Yeah rapists don't care about that. Rape victims don't have any case to answer.

[@sherwinwhite8241]

Anything to complicated and time consuming the police are not interested which can lead to you sometimes put in more danger.then there are some people who are manipulative and use the system to benefit themselves.

[@portmoneul]

If even the British have trouble with this, the rest of the world is completely fked.

[@leroygoldbridge8874]

What's the issue. So many women make false claims and confess to their mates via text. So that would undermine their false claims

[@tiinatoelli]

'So many women', where are you getting this from? The DOJ says that about 3% of rape allegations are believed to be false allegations. This is in line with false allegations of other crimes including theft etc. Rape is hugely unreported and the conviction rate is abysmal. This is a huge problem, completely separate issue from false reporting.

[@chriscrocvlogs]

@@tiinatoelli the conviction rate for rape is consistent with other sexual offences. Sexual offences most often take place in private between two people, the ‘victim’ and the accused. So you can see from the outset why it’s difficult to gather evidence when there’s only two people involved. The evidence has to be strong enough for a conviction, otherwise it’s one’s word against the other’s. The low rate of conviction isn’t something that can just be fixed, only when juries are 100% sure that the accused is guilty is when they should convict. It’s a difficult crime to prosecute and gather evidence on and it’s reflected in the low conviction rate. There are developing policies on making evidence gathering better and the case law has developed to allow different means of providing evidence apart from statements and dna evidence.

[@methylene5]

@@tiinatoelli 3% is because for most crimes evidence is easily gathered and this acts as strong deterrent for fraud. You don't call up your home insurance and tell them your house has burned down and expect your $$$ pay out when it obviously hasn't, or your car was stolen but it's sitting on your drive way But if if we made it law that the "victim" should always be believed and never investigated, the insurance companies would go bankrupt practically overnight. So much for the 3%.

[@gerardo9052]

​@@tiinatoelli the 3% comes only for the proven ones But the number is so mucho higher

[@DaraM73]

I took a story to C4 news....weren’t interested.

[@YmaldonadoY123]

What…

[@shamas_kitchen]

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[@CremeDeLaLeng86]

Thanks, you too

[@happyarewewhosmile]

You chose a weird video to try and skim subscribers. Maybe don't be such a bot and realize you've commented on a video about rape.

[@2011maxik]

Why can't women accept atleast some culpability?

[@gerardo9052]

She is lying

[@silver4831]

@@ianwazowski5607 Why would you not go directly to the police when someone happened?

[@biker3762]

you can also tell that by her body language and also the text she sent a bout seelign the nrews after very evil ppl

[@edwardsav]

Of course, another solution is not to get drunk.....

[@xNGCyanide]

fair

[@MrRailjunkie]

I hope your not excusing what happened to her. She has right to get drunk without being sexually assaulted & it's not right to put any blame on her.

[@workman122]

@@MrRailjunkie So if she was drunk, walked along the towpath in Manchester, fell into the canal and drowned, it would be the canals fault?

[@MrRailjunkie]

@@workman122 that's not the same & I take it from your comment you think it's her fault she got raped.

[@workman122]

@@MrRailjunkie It is exactly the same, people need to take responsibility for their own actions which then expose them to risk. For instance I think the many many guys who got raped in Manchester by Sinaga, shared responsibility for what happened to them. They got drunk/drugged out of their minds and anything could and did happen to them. Yes I have sympathy for people in those situations. However do you excuse drink drivers who kill innocent people? I guess I'm Mr boring, but no I have never in my life exposed myself to those risks, take some responsibility for your own actions and what happens to you.

[@gasi2456]

Guys, we need to be in charge of our own destiny. Always have a camera recording when alone with a woman in closed doors Do not leave your life in the hands of a court system biased towards women Feminism rules the country and feminists want men behind bars whether they're guilty or not

[@saffywehren9385]

Literally way over 90% of rape and sexual assault cases do not result in a charge, it is ridiculously hard for a sexual assault victim to achieve justice. How many men do you know who are in prison for a false accusation? I know multiple women such as myself who have face sexual violence only to be ignored. Men in court can literally confess to doing the crime and still walk free due to victim blaming. You are not the victim here.

[@gasi2456]

@@saffywehren9385 do you mean 90% of rape ALLEGATIONS or are you insinuating that all the women's rape and sexual assault complaints are true? Please post the articles where men that admitted to have raped in court got away with jail time, im rather curious I can forward a handful of articles where women have hit and punched men some of them eveng got injuries on their head that led to their deaths and those women didn't even spent a single day in jail Also a handful of articles where women have confessed to false rape allegations, but by then those men already spent dozens of years in jail and nothing happened to those false accusers We live in a world where is completely acceptable for a woman to hit a man, but if a man hits a women he should spend the rest of his life in jail Do you support video recording sexual encounters amoungst couples?

[@methylene5]

@@saffywehren9385 Actually, in the USA - more men are raped in prison than all of the women who are raped in the entire country. Yet we never hear about that, as it doesn't suit the narrative. Look it up for yourself. For every woman killed, several men (or nearly) will be killed in all western nations. In the Middle East, for every woman executed by the state, about 50 men are. Please learn the actual facts before playing the victim card as it applies to gender.

[@saffywehren9385]

@@methylene5 Raped by WHO??? Killed by WHO???

[@methylene5]

Degrees of rape now? Rape is rape, murder is murder. Except when it doesn't suit your biased narrative.

[@globalvillage546]

1st Comment

[@gerardo9052]

Secsual asaault nowadays is just women regreting sleeping with some man while drunk So the government has to be the nanny for this party girls😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@ianwazowski5607]

I never understood your guys point that gynocentrism is in the media. When even videos that have nothing to with gender relations are filled with redpill anti feminists comments like yours

[@ianwazowski5607]

That seems like a hot take to you but SA is wrong