Clash of the chip titans: China versus the rest of the world? Part 2

Not a shot was fired.
And there was no blood.
But the battle for supremacy in semiconductor manufacturing in East Asia has always been brutal.
East Asia Tonight takes a look at the clash of the region's semiconductor titans.
Read more: Read more: cna.asia/4aXBSWH

[@PutraMing]

CIA NEWS AGENCY PROPAGANDA CHANNEL 😂😂😂

[@BrandyHeng007]

China order removal of all Intel and AMD chips from Telekom networks

[@sholikhinsy8053]

It applies to government computer too

[@DgurlSunshine]

MING CHIP CCP PINKO

[@Jen-xg3iq]

I hope US government is happy now 😅

[@the0neObserver]

Apparently when you have a couple friends, it can be justified as the "world", lol

[@LanNguyen-vd4zt]

When you have Russia, N.Korea, Iran as friend you called it lonely China.

[@jjbully]

the West has only 15% of the world population

[@oki148]

@@LanNguyen-vd4zt cringe reply 🤣🤣

[@TheExtraterrestrial99]

@@LanNguyen-vd4zt Dude here never know there are actually a lot on countries actually closer to China than N.Korea.... n.Korea actually closer to Russia, not China, especially under Kim Jung un..., dude boom a bridge that suppose to build more connection between China and N.Korea.....

[@LanNguyen-vd4zt]

@@TheExtraterrestrial99 who is dude? Dude as in doo doo

[@happymelon7129]

Where is China versus the rest of the world? "U$ EU Japan S.Korea" is the rest of the world ?

[@happymelon7129]

CNA again pushing the west is the world.

[@JCSY1]

These people are nonsense. They always assume that the US and it's handful of allies are the world.

[@megatron6393]

Apparently you do not know anything about making chips. It is really China vs rest of the world.

[@urbestboy]

NO all chip company wants to sell to china. Its actually just us government vs china and all other chip companies

[@JCSY1]

@@urbestboy Yes True indeed but I think China does not trust nor want to rely on the US and western tech anymore as they are not consistent and reliable and they keep changing their minds. China will surely move ahead on their own chips tech in full speed. It's all already set in motion and nothing will change on China's end.

[@lonewolf7992]

Meanwhile (China and Indonesia want peace and stability in ASEAN, South China Sea) CNA.

[@ntokozolugogo4762]

The West is not the world

[@deschan2246]

They are !😂

[@ntokozolugogo4762]

@@deschan2246 They think so

[@deschan2246]

​@@ntokozolugogo4762 not think, they r

[@joshuazhang4281]

but in terms of the semiconductor industry, the west is the world.

[@JCSY1]

To these people, the world is only the US and it's allies. No one else.

[@happymelon7129]

AMD, INTC Slip as China Moves Away from Western Tech China officials tell telecom carriers to phase out foreign chips by 2027. This is U$A dream come true .. China helping U$A to stop chip companies from supplying Chinese companies. So great to see the two governments working together.

[@happymelon7129]

Great .Win win.

[@user-lb6yx3jl2z]

Maybe India should take a page out of Malaysia's handbook how to develop their tech sector instead of just robbing and fining tech companies that set up business there 🤣🤣🤣

[@Indian_Rajput]

LoL Malaysia is nothing infront of India, I don't why u r pasting Chinese traits over India, China does stealing, banning companies their techs LoL Thank god these companies left China 😂😂

[@45641560456405640563]

Given the Chinese track record in that space that's probably not a great item to bring up.

[@hitthedeck4115]

Taiwan (TSMC) was actually behind India in semiconductor RnD and manufacturing at one time. Sadly after the disaster, India semiconductor industry never recovered.

[@josephguo6256]

an easiest way to make good money. see

[@tweedy4sg]

@@hitthedeck4115 and when is that "one-time" in your Bollywood fantasy ?

[@yapsiauwsoengie6507]

Singapore is just shaking the glass hoping to get a little splash 😂

[@leroyhill7117]

lol the “world” the jokes make themselves

[@ssss8162]

CNA's unhealthy obsession with China continues

[@leexingha]

i guess ur the one who needs to go to a mental health doctor or i have better prescription for you called "CNN, Fox News, New York Times, Washington Post, USA Today, NBC News, BBC". hows this?

[@ssss8162]

@@leexingha You misunderstand. I don't think CNA is much different from CNN or BBC in terms of their anti-China, pro West narratives

[@pengzhang5081]

毕竟新加坡是美国殖民地 这样反对中国很正常❤

[@pengzhang5081]

@@leexingha这都是反中媒体 新加坡🇸🇬是美国殖民地 新加坡🇸🇬媒体没有一家不是反中的 这很正常❤ 看看新加坡政府里多少美国傀儡 ❤

[@leexingha]

@@pengzhang5081 yeah, the more desperate the US is the more plagued youtube is with anti-China propaganda. lets just fell them swoop when the showdown day comes

[@user-ns5un3bs8m]

The title is so wrong

[@albertwong1919]

Is this some kind of joke CNA? The US has banned AI chips from Nvidia even those Nvidia developed specifically for the China market with lower spec to get around the US sanctions. I would like to know which country would like to be held hostage on their technological progress by such malicious sanctions that is designed to cripple its technological progress. This should be the start of the conversation and not this dribble that does not add to the conversation and instead seems to paint China as the one that is against the rest of the world when it is the US and China in this technological race and the US is cheating by imposing such bans on China. So pls get your news and act together not everyone is clueless of what is happening around the world and CNA as a news channel appears to be clueless of what is the real issue.

[@bridicot]

Thanks for this in-depth discussion after just two sentences from each guest.

[@muomu]

因为美国ASML会造成一笔巨大的损失，并且这个损失是完全不值得的。美国只是想拖慢中国掌握成熟制程的速度，但美国也明白中国掌握成熟制程只是时间问题

[@MASMIWA]

Odd that the reporter said that Kishida doesn't follow the US and is seeking better ties with China. Japan's restrictions of semiconductors, production equipment, and chemicals seems oddly opposite of those comments. Further, Japan's military alliance with the US against China is another factor that leads to believing Kishida's attempt at better ties with China contradicts that comment. Japan is a colonial outpost of the US and does what the US wants and currently China is viewed as any enemy or competitor of the US. Kishida's actions follows the latter sentence exactly. Japan can expect more decoupling in trade and political ties with China as it continues to follow the US narrative.

[@happymelon7129]

Sad for Netherlands lost sovereignty and ASML lost reputation. 2024-4-8 The U$ demand ASML to break the contract and stop providing after-sales service for the equipment it has sold to China.

[@deschan2246]

U can cry n whine all day n night. Its their right n jurisdiction to do what they prefer. China has to blame themselves for not having this technology.😂

[@stennetmang]

this news channel is like a BBC and CNN,China vs the rest of the world...😂😂😂😂😂😂.. actually....china is developing their own chip and soon will not need foreign company.

[@happymelon7129]

This is bully , it is NOT a competition when only one side(U$A) can change rules. Just like your classmate(U$A) use his family power coercing the stationary shop(ASML,Japan,..) NOT to sell stationary to you(China).

[@deschan2246]

Well, they own the technology n proprietary it within their jurisdiction to decide who can n cannot use it. No bully or unfair competition here.

[@happymelon7129]

2024-4-17 S Prices drop 11% after ASML reports 60% drop in customer orders in first quarter. Due to n0t all0w to se11 to China. Sad for Netherlands lost sovereignty and ASML need to follow foreign country instruction.

[@muomu]

我唯一庆幸的就是中国没有民主化，因为民主化的弊端显然就是会干扰国家决策，你可以发现民主化的国家里服务业在GDP的比重都很高，因为服务业可以快速提高人均收入，可这对国家实力提升并没有什么实质帮助，甚至连印度这种国家服务业占GDP的比重都过半，可印度真正需要的是发展制造业，但相比服务业的迅猛发展，印度的制造业的发展可以说是根本看不到希望，你要明白选票这种东西对于国家发展就是一种慢性毒药，不信可以看看阿根廷是怎么沦落至此的。政客为了追逐权力不惜牺牲国家利益换取选票，而人民也乐于这样

[@deschan2246]

😂 without democratic system, US will not hv so many technological ownership that make them strong n powerful.

[@muomu]

@@deschan2246 遍地都是民主国家，可只有美国拥有顶尖科技，美国吸引人才的方式才是值得学习的地方，我这里说的人才不是中产阶级移民，而是要建立一流的大学。没有一流的大学就没有一流的人才，中国现在的路还很长，你对中国或者说对世界的了解也非常有限

[@deschan2246]

Agree US has ability to attract top talent from all corner of earth. Which not many country can do it. Taiwan, Korea n Japan are successful democratic country example.

[@user-eg6ke7rd9q]

@@deschan2246 首先世界上没有叫台湾的国家，那里的正式名称叫中华民国。我不觉得一个极力希望世界忘记自己正式国名的地方能被称为“成功”。中华民国刚经历了选举，但60%的选民讨厌新任政府，这种民主很成功吗？除了台积电，台湾没有多少可以称道的成绩单

[@pengzhang5081]

Democracy 在中文里翻译就是错误的 应该翻译成选举 不应该翻译成民主 民主：人民当家做主 或者你民我主 不要被误导 ❤

[@prormrx]

Clash of clans ❌ Clash of chips ✅

[@DgurlSunshine]

NAZISM 101

[@ECOSAM_]

Every time we choose a local product, we're making a small but mighty choice for Singapore. Proud to be part of this community!

[@TuaTagovailoaTouchdowns]

The Philippines also stands to benefit as a provider of cheap labor for semiconductor production as an alternative to China.

[@leexingha]

except for the PH, other Asean countries can clearly see what it looks like to be at the center of US' dart board. its just like having a "colonial era" goosebumps

[@45641560456405640563]

Tell yourself that if it gives you comfort.

[@atan5207]

First reduce too many public holidays in Malaysia. Malaysia have the highest public holidays in Asia.

[@ChinaSongsCollection]

@6:05. That's a diplomatic way of saying I'll sanction you but you better not sanction me back.

[@JigilJigil]

I am a Chinese, I am asking the West not to decouple their economy from our country, we don't want to go back to the Mao's era again, where poverty and misery dominated our country, let's negotiate on these issues and find a win win solution, instead of departing our economies which is not in the interest of any nation.

[@isleephungry]

you are not chinese

[@happymelon7129]

you are not chinese

[@PChan-yt4uf]

Oh. A new bot account.

[@Hoo88846]

You are an Endian CIA paid bot. Real Chinese support tit for tat trade war and boycotting Chinese enemies’ brands such as American brands and Japanese brands. Stop pretending to be Chinese, CIA funded Endian troll.

[@pehclark7256]

They have a baozi accelarator who accelerate into oblivion. Best for China is to have an Election where they choose their leadership. So I wish China hold an election by individual votes Soon.

[@Tdzzz450]

Republic of China and People’s republic of China both donating chips 😂

[@happymelon7129]

2024-4-17 S Prices drop 11% after ASML reports 60% drop in customer orders in first quarter. Due to n0t all0w to se11 to China. Sad for Netherlands lost sovereignty and ASML need to follow foreign country instruction.

[@muomu]

事实上中国并不会在先进制程对美国构成威胁，中国只是想在芯片领域占有一席之地，我相信不久中国就可以掌握成熟制程的所有相关技术，包括设备制造

[@deschan2246]

Low end chip ? Possible. High end chip? Impossible

[@pagelu-mt7rh]

@@deschan2246 华为最新发布的pura 70手机的芯片已经相当于高通8gen1水平了。就算中国永远是5nm水平，也可以在全部种类的芯片上做到自给自足，大不了功耗高一些。但是中国最不缺的就算电力。

[@deschan2246]

​@@pagelu-mt7rh 😂 talking about HW, do u know why its production is limited? 😂

[@Macreno1]

​@@deschan2246 i'll never ever underestimate chinese again. Just saying.

[@deschan2246]

Key chips companies will still be on North Asia (korea, jp n taiwan) n US.

[@komangthe1413]

Keep up the spirit Mr Xi,💪💪💪

[@cl-he9us]

A misleading headline

[@happymelon7129]

The main reason U$A will never able to compete in Chip manufacturing. All the country that do well in chip manufacturing , has Confucianism culture. For chip manufacturing, a high level of discipline is the key, and most Americans today don't possess it. They call it “forced labour" Taiwanese media reported on August 2 that TSMC claimed the production holdup at its Arizona facility was caused by a shortage of trained American labour and that they had sent staff from Taiwan to assist with the factory's development. Labour union officials in Arizona, on the other hand, criticised TSMC for exploiting this as a justification to bring in "low-wage foreign labour."

[@deschan2246]

Temporary problem, US will overcome it. Just a matter of time

[@happymelon7129]

@@deschan2246 Overcome it ? commitment ? 29-3-2024, Biden’s $7.5 billion investment in EV charging has only produced 7 stations in two years. After two years, that program has only delivered seven open charging stations with a total of 38 spots where drivers can charge their vehicles, according to a spokesperson for the Federal Highway Administration. (The funding should be enough to build up to 20,000 charging spots or around 5,000 stations, according to analysis from the EV policy analyst group Atlas Public Policy.)

[@deschan2246]

​@@happymelon7129 is it a problem to US or you?

[@pehclark7256]

Like Toad Jiang 江蛤蟆said too young too naive.

[@Omar-dt3mu]

Brings in more Bangladeshi. That is Malaysia policies since years ago. Good income for corrupt politicians.

[@Cheffhood]

first time visiting this channel but seems their news a biased

[@tuapuikia]

Tsmc should sell to US firm😊

[@kingwing3203]

It’s just that in the past 150 years, China has fallen from the number one position in the world, and now it is just preparing to return to the number one position.

[@karangputih]

Go China go. China will be great with or without the West. China ...Kudos

[@serenachen9385]

This are all Chinese company 😂😂😂

[@josephguo6256]

China has enough markets for chips.

[@AlgerieMusicPlay]

We love china❤ and China will win

[@BrandyHeng007]

China developed a light-based AI chip anytime faster and more than 1,000 times energy efficient compared to top Nvidia H100 GPU. 😂

[@deschan2246]

Really? Share the link.

[@imtiazakand3174]

China vs west not world.both population same.

[@GASIA-cw8iw]

The Great Asia already said: Wafer fabs in Singapore have 5 years left. China can make the prices of 80% of the chips in the market drop by 30% to 50% in the next few years. This 80% covers 100% of the products of all the semiconductor plants in Singapore. Non of them is doing advanced chips. Imagine losing money even when the plant is running at 100% capacity. Then they will make the PAP-mistake, i.e. productivity improvement through cost-cutting, which will make the company to sink faster. Ha ha ha!

[@deschan2246]

We hv to wait n see if what they said is correct. 😂

[@Jacktan9203]

FIRST! 😅

[@tedchandran]

Jai Hinduja. Chip manufacturing must move to India to enhance the competitive advantages of the Rest

[@nextlastChang]

The tightened restrictions of the US 🇺🇸 and its allies, including the Netherlands, Germany, South Korea, and Japan, on China's access to semiconductor technology make a lot of sense economically and morally.

[@Sabundy]

No they don't. Not at all. What is the moral sense exactly? And especially how so in relation to the morals of the US, Europe, South Korea and Japan? Please enlighten me on their moral superiority......this should be a good laugh.

[@pooi-hoongchan8680]

Your morality is US war mongering morality.

[@Hoo88846]

LastChang the CIA paid bot working in Endia is still trolling. Did you clean up your cow fertilizer on your streets? Are you still openly defecating on streets in Endia? If a restaurant refuses to sell me food, do you think I will just starve myself or do you think I can just cook my own food at home and the real loss is the owner of the restaurant? ASML refusing to sell to China is their loss, not China. They just make their own chips and completely phase out foreign chip companies. The same goes for the crappy cars from Japan, Korea and USA. Losing the Chinese clientele market is their loss, not China’s. But I will always remember Endia “number one”, because he number one cow fertilizer country with the dirty street food and dirty streets and rundown buildings. Yeah, keep self bragging CIA funded Endia bot.

[@m.w9228]

@@Sabundy This person is a well known falungong robot

[@deschan2246]

China can try , it would very very difficult.

[@muomu]

中国会在未来十年在经济上超越美国，然后在未来的五十年在科技上超越美国。当一个国家的政府和人民都在为了国家复兴在努力时，那么这个国家有什么理由不成为世界第一呢？

[@deschan2246]

Not happening anymore

[@jacobtheking3422]

复兴努力 还是躺平社会？看看现在的中国青年 个个都想躺平赚钱 做网红，做网约车和送外卖的人比订外卖的人多 你这个评论证明你没彻底的了解和研究中国现在内卷的社会局势。

[@ArabicReja973]

The ban on semiconductor exports to China 🇨🇳 is one of the most important policy moves of *the century.* - The Chinese regime is still trying to figure out *what hit them.*