Sonic Frontiers' INFAMOUS DLC - 1 Year Later Retrospective

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@comicfan1324 3 ай бұрын

This DLC, along with the rest of the game, can be summoned up like this: Unpolished, unrefined, but incredibly fun and experimental

@TylerBurke-fb2pb 3 ай бұрын

True

@Hyp3rSonic 3 ай бұрын

Agree

@Eevee860 3 ай бұрын

Except in the really bad sonic segments*

@BoxoSpoons 3 ай бұрын

It's funny you say that, because literally every single time I've tried to come back and finish Final Horizon over the last year I've just ended up giving up because I just find the experience absolutely miserable. And I'm not even just talking about the towers.

@matthewbraith0411 2 ай бұрын

Nah it is boring

@thatoneguy5347 3 ай бұрын

My only gripes with this update are 1. It essentially just undoes what happened on Rhea Island (Which, in general, I don’t have a problem with, but they could’ve found a more creative way around it instead of just having Sage say “Hold up, the is actually just a whole different way we can win”) 2. Amy has way too many card attacks, and should’ve used her hammer more 3. It would’ve been cool for Tails to have a homing attack so I wasn’t THROWING WRENCHES AT SPRINGS

@Hyp3rSonic 3 ай бұрын

BASED

@Mephy. 3 ай бұрын

I find the prototype statement at the end of the video very accurate. All the clues are actually in front of us. Why did SEGA, which puts DLC and different editions even when re-releasing its 30-year-old games, release huge content updates for Frontiers for a whole year for FREE? Because they need all the data they can get. Final Horizons, special koco challenges, spin dash, deceleration settings... All of these are actually research and tests for the next game. Frontiers was used to reach out to everyone they could and try as many things as possible, and now they will use that experience in the next game. Remember that a few days before the game was released, Izuka said that this game was actually a beta test for the future.

@heroicgangster9981 3 ай бұрын

It’s kinda funny that Sonic Team made the parry require PERFECT FRAMES for Final Horizons because players complained about the Parry not being a game mechanic Parry. When Sonic Team could’ve just called it Blocking (and Reflecting)

@JustinJulian-00 3 ай бұрын

For one thing I wish Sonic team gave us a second option to give us parry that requires actual skill and timing and I'm keeping the indefinite one in there but I want to be able to switch to Parry where I can actually try to master it use my patience as a useful skill and if you want to practice that they could have built in arena within the menu itself like God of war II for example like after you defeat your enemies in the base game you can use this arena to either get more XP or practice your skills that you already have or even use whatever enemy type you want so that way this can help younger players become a perfectionist at using perfect Parry or you can make Sonic invincible in the arena as well or apply whatever rules you want in there I just hope Sega reads the comments here and actually do that for Sonic frontier 2 although I keep my expectations low

@Anonymous.Throne 3 ай бұрын

It needed to be like that from the beginning. The gameplay threw me off before & I didn’t like it

@JustinJulian-00 3 ай бұрын

@@Anonymous.Throne Yeah man because in the white void it has told you that the Parry is not based on timing at all and I really was disappointed at this and when I first did this I thought it was a timing base Parry at first but this version of it shouldn't even be call Parry anymore because you can call it eternal block because you can just block forever and it doesn't matter what enemy type it is you are just going to parry it No matter what and I just wish I had more time to bake in the oven end and if most of the game testers aren't kids that don't know how a parry works then we would have gotten what we wanted like this shouldn't even affect the Democratic at all because after all Sonic and the Black Knight had a perfect Parry system and it's based on timing because the only thing you need is patience and it's not that hard to pull off either and after you Parry melee enemies they become stun and projectiles just disappear and of Sega took notes from Sonic and the Black Knight and then use that Parry system from that game and apply it to Sonic frontiers then the Parry system would have already been perfect as it is and it actually gives us a reason to actually use your patience to master this type of Parry

@Anonymous.Throne 3 ай бұрын

@@JustinJulian-00 yes I deadass didn’t know what was going on at first. But through gameplay I figured it out. I get it, sonic brings in all ages: so casual gameplay. But if Spider-Man had a legitimate parry system DAY 1, sonic could’ve too. Lol I legit didn’t understand why it wasn’t working, & I never saw any hints about it (I think)

@lasercraft32 4 күн бұрын

The worst part is that the bosses weren't designed with a perfect parry in mind... Their hitboxes don't line up with how they're telegraphed, making it really difficult to even figure out how to get the timing right.

@With2Ls 3 ай бұрын

I feel old no way this was a year ago

@Hazel_TheOne 3 ай бұрын

Some things happened this year that I could’ve SWORN actually happened in 2023 and there are things that happened in the last few years where I’m like “didn’t this just happen a couple months ago??”

@Jack_o3654 3 ай бұрын

Dang I can remember when frontiers base game was just roomers floating around.

@Hyp3rSonic 3 ай бұрын

Also, it was on my younger sister's birthday, if im correct (9/28 is her birthday)

@Jack_o3654 3 ай бұрын

@@Hyp3rSonic that is so random XD. Happy birthday to your sister though

@Hyp3rSonic 3 ай бұрын

@@Jack_o3654how was that random? 😂 Anyways, I found that interesting Also, tysm!!! 🥰

@orangeiris64 3 ай бұрын

IT'S ALREADY BEEN A YEAR?!

@Hyp3rSonic 3 ай бұрын

YES

@lasercraft32 4 күн бұрын

What bothers me about the tarot cards isn't that they brought back Amy's fortune telling... Its that they _literally_ gave her magic. Pink sparkles and levitating cards, out of literally nowhere. Combined with the under-represented Piko Piko Hammer (and the fact she can now float/hover), and she suddenly feels a lot more like a Princess Peach knock-off than _Amy._

@ConceptsCool4993 3 ай бұрын

Master king is the master at not making me feel like a king at this game.

@comicfan1324 3 ай бұрын

Glad to hear I wasn’t the only one completely lost during my first play through of final horizon because the puzzles refused to load. For a minute there I thought I was just not good at the game.

@Signerdragon123 3 ай бұрын

Personally regarding the difficultly spike... I actually enjoyed it, first proper Sonic difficult stuff since Unleashed from memory (Gens was a complete cakewalk). Whilst I can understand some gripes with some issues, personally for those that wanted difficult stuff in a Sonic game and still whined when the game goes difficult, play Jak 2 blind (figuratively and maybe literally) and then we can talk unfair difficulty in a fully functional 3D platformer.

@ChannelPup 3 ай бұрын

Honestly I do agree about the difficulty. I don't think it's difficult, so much as punishing. The towers definitely could have used checkpoints, and making us do the autorun section every time we failed Master King was just mindnumbing.

@Signerdragon123 3 ай бұрын

@@ChannelPup That I can agree were genuinely unfair parts.

@jocatty1180 3 ай бұрын

@@ChannelPup Yeah the difficulty was fine. Final Horizon was great. The only grip I have was like... that one puzzle with Knuckles, the cube I think and the second tower. I did not rage, but I was annoyed to just, well... not be able to return where I was to retry the bit I failed easier, the barriers were a one time break. I did succeed at WALKING ONTO THE TINY PLATFORMS TO GET BACK but a balloon wouldn't have hurt THAT much lol. Surprisingly the other towers weren't that hard, it was just that one bit. The final trial, the master king trial? I just practiced and figured a strat with the quick-cyloop skill. Giganto was fine. Knight, if I was good enough, I can do enough to not waste time. Wyvern was the problem because it too time. And with practice I found a solution. I remembered the sidestep for the Supreme End and figured the stuff out, and it was fun to figure what to do without a big bubble saying "DODGE THE BIG PURPLE BALLS". What annoys me is that people WANTED difficulty. And they cry of the difficulty and hate for something that they wanted. Might be my boomer mentality and because I play Monster Hunter, but seriously, take a chill pill and instead of "I hate that boss! Rage quit!"... just give it time to practice? Maybe?

@bandicootsauce4569 3 ай бұрын

"If you have such a problem with nitpicking, then this must be what your hair looks like." I am so using that one. Lmao!

@lasercraft32 4 күн бұрын

This game gets exponentially more enjoyable with mods.

@brickzoneanimations8395 3 ай бұрын

While Frontiers has alot of Jank and Unpolished aspects The Gameplay, Story and OST are completely fire! its not perfect but its worth the 30 dollar price tag that it now has, Sonic Frontiers deserves the title of "The SA1 for the 2020s" and now lets hope that SXSG lives up to the title of "The SA2 for the 2020s!"

@heroicgangster9981 3 ай бұрын

Final Horizons was pretty good but had to wait a bit for the patches (and mods) to fully enjoy it lolol! Final Horizons is fun but yeah definitely shows whyyyyyyy Frontiers had to be delayed for 1 year. It was still fun to say again, because Final Horizons makes Frontiers feel like a real Sonic Team game that likes to test the player (at its best/worst), while base game Frontiers represents the casual appealing side of Sonic Team imo.

@WebstersYouTube 3 ай бұрын

This is one of your most well written and tightly edited videos. You really cooked and I especially liked the comparisons between The End and the earlier ninjas.

@Hyp3rSonic 3 ай бұрын

Agree

@lasercraft32 4 күн бұрын

Tails' infinite jump "exploit" is a non-issue... Because you can already _literally fly_ with the Cyclone.

@socheata643 3 ай бұрын

The DLC kind of tought me to practice the perfect parry in the boss. (Whenever we have rage in some places.) Love the playable characters in it though, kind of which after completing it, that would use em without the cyber looks etc.

@merozero2818 3 ай бұрын

a friend of mine saw it the same way. A big tech demo for something much bigger. I am, praying for Sonic Adventure 1+2 or hell, even Sonic Adventure 3.

@EdgyQueen 3 ай бұрын

I have a funny story with this update. I don't know if Kishimoto read my message or he arbitrarily decided to do this. But I suggested that the starfall event would be much better if it offered random rewards rather than just purple coins, and they actually did that. You can't imagine how happy I was when I found out about this.

@checkthegamer587 3 ай бұрын

I literally never knew you were supposed to parry during his arm flailing i always just thought it was a messed up part of the fight and you had to wait lol

@benji777tm 3 ай бұрын

The Onion enemy trial is a flawed attempt to teach the player to learn how to perfect parry: The time limit and enemy number pressures you to remember you have to emphasize going on the offensive, the constantly returning blades teach you to remember to parry. Those particular enemies demand that you quickly switch between attacking and defending in hopes of you learning to parry at the right moment because you’ll waste precious time you could be attacking if you keep holding parry in anticipation of the returning blades teach instead of pouring on your attack and parrying at the very last moment.

@Hyp3rSonic 3 ай бұрын

Based

@MrOwais21 2 ай бұрын

L😊L😂

@OhKayEl 3 ай бұрын

Huge difficulty spike was the last thing I expected out of modern-day Sonic Team.

@Hyp3rSonic 3 ай бұрын

Agree

@comedicidiot 3 ай бұрын

I really like this DLC, it enhanced Frontiers so much for me. A 7/10 turned to a 9/10 to me as soon as it came out Edit: I would like to add that this comes from a person who's beaten the Master King Trial on extreme difficulty

@djdarkskinss6415 3 ай бұрын

Years past but I still appreciate this game super sonic titan fights ( except supreme). Never I imagined being addicted to battle the Titan Knight and listening Find your Flame. But I hope they will improve the Combat system next game.

@DragonOfTheNorth7799 3 ай бұрын

IMO I really LOVED the final horizon!!

@williamgiambatista7925 3 ай бұрын

So basically Amy became gambit in this. 10/10 best dlc ever. Nah fr tho I did like this dlc a lot even if it wasn’t perfect

@HubboFilms 3 ай бұрын

Hey bro, I said hi to you after the Sonic Symphony in London. Just wanted to say it was great meeting you and I love your videos :)

@ChannelPup 3 ай бұрын

Thank you! It was great to meet you!

@comicfan1324 3 ай бұрын

21:32 not to be that guy, but you actually can dodge those attacks. It’s difficult, but you can’t do it and after about the fourth wave of attacks, sonic will automatically enter his supersonic 2 cut scene.

@owenrogers8298 3 ай бұрын

Seeing "I'm here - revisited" played live at the sonic symphony this year is gonna be one of the greatest moments of my life

@RatchetClankFan112 3 ай бұрын

I 100% Frontiers & Final Horizon. despite its flaws I still love it

@zocialix 3 ай бұрын

Those towers were hell.

@Hyp3rSonic 3 ай бұрын

Agree

@lihzzahrdspeed6631 3 ай бұрын

I didn’t even get past the first one

@Hyp3rSonic 3 ай бұрын

@@lihzzahrdspeed6631put the difficulty on Easy

@therandomvideochannel8589 3 ай бұрын

dude, i've been watching your sonic content for years. i also used to watch doctor who growing up - i always heard about the story of a kid designing the abzorbaloff and only NOW i'm finding out that kid is YOU. wtf, my mind is blown...

@relaxedhoodie7309 3 ай бұрын

The pup mascot is now more expensive then the Sonic model in the games.

@ChannelPup 3 ай бұрын

Haha and the funny part is that this version is the cheapest of all of them as he's made and animated in Blender rather than Adobe.

@npkrash 3 ай бұрын

Hot take but I think all the characters max ring moves were insanely fun They were rlly clunky but insanely fun Tails in particular was fun to just break the game

@jraulerson3081 3 ай бұрын

I agree with all points given here, but my big question is why did we decide that a moon should be the final boss? Yes, it's spectacular when you destroy it, but the great big threat is ....a moon? Is this a joke as if to say in-universe "I'm coming to avenge the first one you pissed on" ?

@Xenath05 3 ай бұрын

Pretty sure it's just the true physical form of a deity. As I mean what else would a godlike being look like. Pretty sure it was just them making it into something that is common throughout the universe rather than making it look like a humanoid or a Sonic character because it didn't even come from their world. Basically think of Ego from GOTG and how he was a literal planet

@jraulerson3081 3 ай бұрын

@@Xenath05 I understand where you're coming from. Be it budget or a conscious desire to use that design, I was personally unimpressed.

@HandOn-c40009 3 ай бұрын

I feel like the fight was missing a phase, through the entire fight I was expecting the moon to crack open and reveal of eldritch stuff you know like Persona 3 or Majora mask, even transformer armada has the moon being untransformed unicron, moon being boss is not unusual but they usually put some twist on it and not just have you fight space rock. it might also be an Evangelion refference with the moon and supreme design, especially his new one but I might just be grasping on air on this one.

@steveminecraft5887 3 ай бұрын

It's actually really interesting. The end appears different to who views it, it represents the embodiment of death to whoever sees it. sonic doesn't actually see a moon, but older human culture in some scenarios had the moon represent death. so us players see it different too. Ian said this somewhere i think so I'm just quoting it off memory

@Cretaceous158 3 ай бұрын

It represents death in the way the viewer thinks of death, and since the character we play as is Sonic, and the moon form for the end looks like the Ark, I think this is implying that SA2 traumatized Sonic.

@natoriousthehopeful2786 3 ай бұрын

Aside from that egregious pre-patch boss rush, I loved the final horizon DLC

@TJZ243 3 ай бұрын

I’m just happy everyone is finally coming to their senses and actually acknowledging that Frontiers was just ok like I know why everyone was praising it when it came out and it’s like you said so future games can take what Frontiers did and improve on it with a bigger budget and more man power but people were nearly acting like this game was the greatest Sonic game ever and Im just like no it’s barely top 10 but that doesn’t mean it’s bad it’s just painfully above average.

@sleepylmguy9968 3 ай бұрын

For the next Sonic game (Shadow Gen) I hope expansions on what they did with Final Horizon and add onto it. While also taking notes from the Boost Era and Adventure Era. I already got some great ideas for Sonic Frontiers 2 gameplay. For one keep the Boost but make it damage enemies again. That way it’s well be a great tool for the combat. I recently saw a Frontier Mod video where they implemented one that does and it actually helps with the combat. In fact do what Dream Team did aka give every character a Boost and a Homing Attack. To balance this make it so some enemies will have shields or barriers that you can’t boost through. Basically make them a universal mechanics. Add in actual ground combat/combos for each character. As well as different animations for Air Combat/Combos. If you haven’t noticed most of the combat in Frontiers is usually in the air And there is no difference in animations when you are attacking on either air or ground. Speaking of combat one thing that I think would make the control flow better. Is if you can manually switch from between a dedicated combat mode and a running/platforming mode for characters. That way your button controls aren’t feeling too cluttered or everything doesn’t have to be map to the same button.

@noob_jr_2sjrkc 3 ай бұрын

What makes me worried is that many of the patches go so far in reverting their design decisions that it makes me question whether they will actually attempt to find a middle ground.

@nothingrhymeswithorange5294 3 ай бұрын

Funnily enough, I didn't even touch the new cyberspace stages I didn't know the towers needed to be unlocked I just happened to have enough lookout Koco from the island

@thomasverslycken2563 3 ай бұрын

If i remember correctly, if the ground deceleration slide is anywhere below 100, so even if it's 99, Amy, Knuckles & Tails will all behave like it's set to 0

@RaiginAnimator 3 ай бұрын

Bro I don’t give a damn as someone who loves this game the difficulty was Pretty hype. And IM here revisited forgives all sins.

@fiblz5443 3 ай бұрын

ayo what??

@Hyp3rSonic 3 ай бұрын

@@fiblz5443what?

@blackdot105 3 ай бұрын

Tech Demo - The Game

@akdreamer6497 3 ай бұрын

Bro addicted to them Super eyebrows

@deckydew 3 ай бұрын

I may be wrong, but I don't think The End was held inside supreme, it was locked in cyberspace with the titans acting as a kind of firewall to keep it there. Once all four titans were defeated, the end was able to escape. Again, I could be wrong, but that's what I remember.

@soulkibble1466 3 күн бұрын

I remember watching a stream of Final Horizons and when he got to the final Supreme Fight he was completely stumped on what he was suppose to do and so was chat. Like, was it so hard to insert character dialogue mentioning you needed to take Supreme's Gun or communicate using the cyloop on it.

@masterblaster2053 3 ай бұрын

Smart thumbnail

@Hyp3rSonic 3 ай бұрын

Agree

@rumble8865 3 ай бұрын

What they should have done for the master king trial is reward your perfect parries with a set of rings

@Slimeonian 3 ай бұрын

I will never forget the original Master King Koco Trial. I played the entire game on Hard Mode so I only had a few frames to parry. It took me like 4 hours of constant attempts to beat it, and it was so gratifying. And the new End fight is so much better than the OG End fight. Oh but the final emerald for Tails is just so stupid. It was so high in the sky that nothing loaded in. I didn’t even know what to do at first. So I grinded for skill points and got the Cyclone Flight and got it that way

@PauloH100 2 ай бұрын

I genuinely think it would have been better if they had reworked Ouranos Island more than remade it completely. I would much prefer if the update were to finalize and complete what we already had instead of further experimenting with something that was already experimental. In fact, I'm going to have to continue living with my dream that I had when I saw this Update, that we have a reworked battle against Supreme. Like, come on, Supreme was supposed to be the most important titan, the strongest of them, the one that is containing The End and was hidden as a surprise until the last cutscene on Rhea Island and was the only Titan that Super Sonic didn't defeat in time in both endings, what was so difficult about making it an extremely interesting and difficult Boss Fight? If you take the amount of mechanics and things he had discarded, he would easily be the best Titan in the game. Also, I wanted Cyber Sonic and Sage against The End, with you being able to ATTACK the purple moon directly like the Titan fights. It would probably be a lot more work but I think if they had focused on that instead of trying to do so many different things it would have been possible.

@lewiebrownie 3 ай бұрын

do you know what egregious means?

@bbguy2245 3 ай бұрын

I havent watched video yet but its important as it showed sonic team truly does care

@Sparkle0501 3 ай бұрын

i bought Sonic Frontiers recently i had a pretty fun time

@Shadow-Joop-157 3 ай бұрын

Almost all sonic characters were always clones of Sonic tails and knuckles. shadow Amy Blaze and even Espio were clones of Sonic, Rouge Vector and Mighty were clones of knuckles, and cream charmy and Ray were clones of tails. The next game not remake or remaster will definitely be Sonic Frontiers 2 so the next game will probably have a lot more playable characters because the groundwork has been done

@xerocubed2005 3 ай бұрын

ONE YEAR?

@infinity_phantomile 3 ай бұрын

Looking at it now, it's obvious all the money that could've been used to polish this DLC was used for Shadow Generations.

@gooetooe 3 ай бұрын

That thumbnail is SICK 🔥🔥🔥

@duduvec5971 3 ай бұрын

I loved this dlc way more than the core game. Maybe because i played it after the updates they released on it.

@JakeThehedgehog-m1x 3 ай бұрын

I mean thanks to the patches i can play abit better with the DLC not yo mention knuckles' glide glad they patched it that delay was atrocious!

@SPEEDYDIM2 3 ай бұрын

i swear the new chapter themes only came out a few months ago….

@rollingstart_90s 3 ай бұрын

What was that "Backstreets Back" type of beat on the intro Pup?

@TheFainter94 3 ай бұрын

biggest issue with frontiers climbing, is that its directly affected by the speed level of the character thus when in high levels in the tiny walls youre too fast is hard to control, top that with a movement that is attached to the camera angle, you got youself a messy cimb system, fixing the movement related to camera while cimbing should in theory be the fix that the system needs.

@ChannelPup 3 ай бұрын

Yeah I rarely levelled up my speed for that reason. Heck I prefer to keep all levels low if I can help it.

@llulabeee 3 ай бұрын

I literally never finished a single dlc cyber space level, I just stopped bothering unlocking them after a while. They were not very fun. I did have a stupid amount of fun with the cyclone though, I found tail’s platforming controls annoying so I’m fine with the option to skip them

@teamsonicchannel4400 3 ай бұрын

makes me realise we need to watch what we say base game to easy Final horizon welcome to hell

@switchspeedster2671 3 ай бұрын

For those who are playing Final Horizon post patch. If you want to play Final Horizon pre patched in terms of difficulty, play it on Extreme. You’re stuck with the one hit kill system. But at least you can suffer like the rest of us

@Dawn-px5ed 3 ай бұрын

I’m glad I played perfect parry on extreme mode true suffering of 12 hours❤

@johanstenfelt1206 3 ай бұрын

Fair points and opinions, i really hope future Games builds upon and surpasses this Game. What do you hope to see next?

@ChannelPup 3 ай бұрын

Honestly just take Shadow Generations and make it into a 6-8 hour game and I'll be happy. It looks perfect.

@johanstenfelt1206 3 ай бұрын

@@ChannelPup hm, then i guess we just hope the Game turns well enough.

@BritBox777 3 ай бұрын

After 100%ing this game twice and playing both pre and post patch, only NOW do I realise The End is supposed to be 'hitting' Sonic standing on his head. First time I saw this interaction I thought the game bugged. After the third time, I realised it was the Devs who broke.