Chaos in the North: Winterfell & Jon Snow's Future

[@CrusaderChris]

Editing error at 25:51 Skip to 26:32 to avoid House of the Dragon spoilers Sorry about that (I moved a few sections around late in the editing process and simply forgot to go back and fix the spoiler warning)

[@Adrian-D-Rivera]

In the part of the Battle of Ice, you incorrectly state the “Night Lamp Theory” is of using the light of the actual watchtower to lure the Freys into the frozen lake. In actuality, what the Sistermen do is create fake lights that look like the actual lighthouses in the distance on the rocks of their island home, to lure ships to crashing into said rocks, thus taking their loot. What is Stannis’ real plan is, as indicated in Cantuse’s post and the Sistermen’s usual acts, is the usage of the Weirwood tree on the larger lake. This would be burned and from a distance, look like the village’s watchtower. This would lead the opposing army (Freys) onto that large frozen lake, to then be destroyed by the use of catapults built by the wood of the trees and the stones of the tower, sending the enemy army into a cold watery grave. The rest is spot on from what I can tell and I appreciate the video, but I want to clarify the Night Lamp theory in your analysis as it was incorrectly stated. TLDR: The Weirwood Tree will be the false light watchtower, tricking the enemy army into crossing the frozen lake only to sink into it by Stannis’ catapults.

[@CrusaderChris]

@@Adrian-D-Rivera Good clarification, and I should have made this more clear. I do not want to misrepresent his original theory. The original theory does suggest the weirwood tree and larger lake will be used instead of the watchtower. I personally think the theory still works in a much more simpler form: lighting a beacon atop the watchtower (perhaps "Lightbringer" itself, which can burn very brightly) which lures the Freys across the smaller lake. I also am unsure if the catapults will be necessary, given the repeated mentions of the ice already starting to break due to so many holes being carved into it. I think the weight of the Frey army will be enough to break the ice. I just didn't want to bore viewers by explaining both Cantuse's original, more-detailed theory versus the simplification I went with. So to be very clear to anyone else reading: the idea for the Night Lamp theory comes from Cantuse. Like all major theories, many variations and tweaks exist. He deserves full credit for the existence of the theory and his original work; I just opted for a simpler version for this video. I'd recommend reading Cantuse's theory directly since it can go into so much lengthier detail than the portion of this video I dedicated to the theory. Thanks again for pointing that out.

[@Adrian-D-Rivera]

@@CrusaderChris​​⁠Totally get simplifying that, understood and clear. Thanks for replying, and thanks for not being upset, not my intention to be annoying, just want to be clear on the theory is all. It is also likely that it will be simpler as you have said, but we’ll have to wait until the Winds to come out to truly know.

[@alfieingrouille1528]

​@CrusaderChris love your vids man keep up the good work 👍

[@oswinhull4203]

I think the whole thing about Stannis saying you might hear I'm dead is that he and Melisandre have seen Jon's death in the flames. Stannis thinks it's him and Mel isn't sure if it's him or Jon. Somehow Stannis faking his death seems odd to me.

[@niallgaffney2475]

The fact that, even 13 years after the last book was published it’s still possible to make hour-long theory videos, shows how great ASOIAF is!

[@spencertherren6806]

The greatest fantasy literature ever written.

[@derkavondangerkill7628]

Gonna have to point out that's only because he hasn't released the final book and likely never will.

[@San_Vito]

​@@spencertherren6806Can't be unless it's finished.

[@joegarrison5911]

​@spencertherren6806 it definitely would be if he finished it. But he doesn't seem to understand that and would rather work on spin offs off nonsense like YiTi and dunk and egg

[@Nunya_Argo79]

@@spencertherren6806 Ever written? I don't think so.

[@emilygrace3097]

This is the first time I’ve heard the theory of the mutineers tampering or being involved with the pink letter. It really makes a lot of sense that they might try to make the letter more inflammatory in order to provoke Jon into doing something rash, giving them an opportunity to strike. Amazing video, keep up the good work!

[@stevenhedge2850]

and it does make alot more sense that they might have sent it since that letter contains way too much information in it that ramsay wouldn't know...like how would he know about mance even if he caught him?

[@nikhilkrishnakumar]

The mutineers theory is brilliant but I think it's Mance, Stannis and Theon who wrote the original. He forgot that Mance is the only name that's on the bloody letter. I'm not even sure if Theon may be led away by Mance the charmer and just sent it.

[@DD-kd6zg]

​@@stevenhedge2850 The problem is, how do the muteeners know that Mance is still alive or about his spear wives? The fact that Mance was not burned is only known to three people- jon, melisandre and mance himself. Don't think the mutineers would have secretly witnessed the magic and would only reveal it at this very end, that's not GRRM would do. So, though I lile the possibility of them tampering it, I still think the letter was written by Mance first and then later tampered by the mutineers(least probably).

[@DD-kd6zg]

The only way, someone could mentione Reek, Fake Arya, Mance and his spearwives would only either by Mance himself as he has witnessed Theon in Winterfell or it is Ramsay Bolton who has acquired all the information by torturing mance or his spearwives. The mutineers hardly have any possibility of knowing those things. So, the letter was either written by Mance(there are several theories on why it is Mance most likely and not theon or stannis or anyone else) or Ramsay(which most readers reject) and later might have been modifed by the mutineers to provoke Jon(though very unlikely).

[@macks702]

how would the mutineers know that Theon is called Reek now

[@d_randy]

Underrated ASoIaF channel. Dude deserves more likes tbh

[@Aprlrain9987]

Tbh I just followed cause I saw this comment I wouldn’t have noticed otherwise

[@vCLOWNSHOESv]

Likes are a funny thing. If clicking like helps the channel who don't people just click like as soon as every video starts? You're getting free content somebody took the time to make so hitting the like button is the least you can do in exchange for the entertainment. I've been doing this for a couple years now and never forget because it's now automatic. I see videos with a million views but only a couple thousand likes and feel people should be clicking like as a sign of appreciation for the effort.

[@d_randy]

@@vCLOWNSHOESv 💯

[@lawv804]

Melisandre believes herself to be as mortal as anyone else. She believes she has no magical powers of her own, and that it all comes from the Lord of Light.

[@ThumbBandit04]

She believes correctly. She is akin to a wired computer that was upgraded to a battery operated robot that runs on a battery. It can do cool shit because of new limbs and sensors along with having mobility now, but without a higher being to put the battery in and recharge it, it can't do anything and will eventually die if it doesn't occasionally plug itself back in for a recharge. Also the creator can remotely lock or unlock the new mods at any time but you can unlock new features yourself manually if you stumble upon how to do it. Not perfect but... explaining magic isn't exactly a science.

[@walygisnep]

No. Melisandre does believes she has “magical powers” insofar that she believes that she is able to correctly identify special and unique individuals, while nobody else seems to be able to.

[@KOCChristian]

@@walygisnepMelisandre like Jesus even with all her power she said it’s her god that given her the powers

[@6tiple6ix6afia]

@SaltoDaKid precisely, GRRM taking inspiration from lther fictional characters

[@robbiewira5344]

But we don’t know forsure if it’s sorcery or there really is a lord of light which is the great thing. It could very well be her own powers

[@Radlum]

When I remember how messy just the plots in the North are, I can almost understand why George cant finish the book

[@SoranotRoxas]

This channel is so underrated dude, its wild that this is even the case.

[@CrusaderChris]

Thank you

[@SoranotRoxas]

@CrusaderChris Been so glad I came across this channel 👍​

[@DabroodThompson]

I still refuse to believe Stannis would willingly sacrifice his daughter, even to save the world from the white walkers. He already had this argument with Davos. A single life is worth the world, especially if its your beloved daughter!

[@devinfleenor3188]

What if she volunteers because her Grayscale resurges dooming her and threatening others and when they burn her they give her a gallon of milk of the poppy before hand. Still very sad but if they just burn an innocent girl I think I might start rooting for the white walkers.

[@jaimelannister1797]

He was willing to burn edric to be king. He’s not beyond child sacrifice. If he feels humanity is doomed, and genuinely believes he’s azor ahai, he’d be willing to do it

[@ACinemafanatic]

The way it went down in the show was just bad and completely ruined stannis but I do see Val or Melisandre killing her in order to bring him back behind stannis back

[@didncozosksma4466]

@@ACinemafanaticI second this theory, considering Stannis is at Winterfel, he would have to travel back.

[@AesirUnlimited]

I disagree. Stannis values duty above all else, and the duty of a king is to protect his kingdom and subjects. If the death of his daughter is the price, he’d pay it. He killed his own brother because duty demanded it, his daughter wouldn’t be any different in his eyes. It’d be a hard choice, but for Stannis Baratheon duty comes above all else.

[@Nationallovenat]

the Justin Massey section is extremely well thought out. No matter how much ASOIAF content I consume, there’s always stuff I forget about 😂😂 excellent vid!!!!!

[@hsgame4088]

Samee. I didnt even kno abt the northern sellsword companies

[@PineappleLiar]

It is clean as hell, and I love the emotional potential from Arya in seeing someone she once knew impersonating her. Like I’m not confident Arya won’t kill Jeyne, and maybe take her place, even. And there’s a tragic ouroboros that comes from Arya pretending to be ‘Arya’, having lost the ability to genuinely be herself somewhere along the way.

[@balazs.joo90]

Saying Jon's ninth chapter as Jon 9 sounds like we are studying the Bible.

[@HunterGalvius]

I mean the totality of ASOIAF is longer than the Bible some how

[@bradwolf07]

I like the idea of Stannis the Mannis faking his death to beat the Boltons

[@tiredidealist]

I only see Stannis burning Shireen if he was absolutely forced to, which could happen if the greyscale awakens and spreads. But even then I don't think it'll be connected to Jon's resurrection. I suspect Ghost will be the death that pays for his life, and that the Jon who comes back will be far more wild and aggressive than he was before. Just makes more sense for Old Gods magic to be involved considering his soul has hopped into his wolf. His eyes could be red like Ghost's afterward, too, and his hair white. A proper wolf king.

[@R.D.B2942]

A bloodstone eyed ruler to go against a amethyst eyed queen. Where have I heard that before?

[@The_Mosaic]

@@R.D.B2942where?

[@q.s.w.9074]

@@R.D.B2942 the blood betrayal

[@prieterico]

This is your best video yet! Keep this format. Maybe be more work to do, but damn, it does pay off🔥

[@CrusaderChris]

Thank you

[@stephaniespain9849]

I totally agree

[@redzunitedz8598]

Legitimately an unbelievably high quality video. I can’t believe you have such a small subscriber count. This was an absolute joy to watch. Keep up the good work!

[@The.Kyle.Scott.]

Wakes dragons from stone Shireen is the stone and Jon is the dragon Mind blown

[@Aydan2108]

Jon is no dragon 💀, he is a lizard at most

[@evilneko03]

@@Aydan2108 dany stan aproved

[@Aydan2108]

@@evilneko03 what?

[@AlinuraTaskali-f2e]

It's dragons not dragon it written in plural form

[@thetruebatman4632]

Dude your videos have been one of the greatest blessings in my day to day recently. I mean I’ve always loved listening to anyone talk about the things that they’re passionate about, but I’m passionate about Westeros as you are and was just turned on to it in the last few months. I have been CHUGGING the shows and books, and it’s so sick to have your videos to retreat to so I can be sure I’m all set to fully enjoy these stories. You’re doing an incredible job man, seriously one of the best on KZbin.

[@CrusaderChris]

Thank you for the kind words, it means a lot

[@l.mcmanus3983]

Didn’t Ned tell Jon as they said goodbye before Jon left for the wall that the next time they met, he would have some answers for him about his mother? If Jon learns the truth as he helps lay Ned’s bones to rest in the crypts, it would be just the kind of foreshadowing GRRM seems to like.

[@CrusaderChris]

Ned only says that to Jon in the HBO series, not in the books. It’s a nice line, though.

[@l.mcmanus3983]

@@CrusaderChris oh dear good point. I am not immersed enough to remember all the differences. Did it seem like Ned ever intended to tell Jon about who his mother was? Or nothing was clearly indicated?

[@Sisyphus-rq5ew]

@@l.mcmanus3983not really Ned was planning to settle the new gift and make Jon a lord there so I think his plan was just to let Jon live in obscurity in the north

[@jt5765]

​@@CrusaderChris GRRM was fairly heavily involved with the early & actually good seasons of the show though (S1-4/5). There's every chance he could have suggested that line but he at least would of had oversight & an opinion on it.

[@modellingseb]

this is an amazing video, and yes you should post more in this style, its really entertaining

[@aahantechno]

Crusader keeps delivering 🔥

[@staceyburke4285]

Very well done! Lots of details I’d forgotten about and several I never connected. Thank you!!

[@jjdelany8130]

I've always thought it would be katlyn to bring John back, just like baric sacrificed for her. It would be her moment of redemption in jons ark.

[@1987Liono]

Someone needs to send your videos to GRR Martin then we will finally get the Winds of Winter. You make everything so simple.

[@karlaldridge4848]

Some brilliant works gone into this. Thanks.

[@tgovani]

I loved this!!! Can’t wait to dig into your catalog and see more of this later

[@RustyHuntSoulDrummer]

Love the long format video, I definitely want more of these type

[@darthceasar3690]

beric was bought back by a kiss from a homie. that is why you give homie a kiss every night just incase

[@Godobrosto]

High quality ASoIaF content. Highly underrated channel. Thank you, sir.

[@userabc222]

Great video!! I don’t necessarily agree with every prediction but it’s so fun to hear everyone’s theories hope we get Winds soon to confirm what’s true soon

[@TheNewGuy21]

I know I'm late but an hour long video!! This is what I've been waiting for!! Keep up the great work!

[@brandenbayless9014]

One of the best videos ives watched about all the moving pieces in the north going into The Winds of Winter. I would definitely enjoy a video similar to this about what's going on in the Crownlands and Dorne.

[@didncozosksma4466]

When people talk about Winds taking too long. I point to this, like the amount of plot points to tie up in one book alone is insane.

[@animeisdead]

The Justin Massey section is just perfect, though I think Mel and the Florents at the wall will burn Shireen thinking Stannis dead, and that would bring back Jon

[@MrFredstt]

I just don't know how Stannis would burn his daughter unless things were extremely dire. So far all we've learned from Stannis is that he wouldn't be very willing to burn her. He even plans on her ruling after him if he dies and wants his supporters to then shift their support for her instead

[@nikosvagiakos8510]

Crusader please continue this style of videos.

[@JohnDoe-420]

How can you mention Beric dying giving Stoneheart life but not mention Thoros giving Beric life multiple times without dying even once?

[@noamias4897]

Man the northern plot and Stannis is what I care about the most about for the winds of winter. Essos, Jaime, Euron, King’s Landing and Dorne are all interesting plots but the north is what stands out to me.

[@033MMAFiend]

Thank you so much for devoting time to produce this lengthy piece of work for us to enjoy! Keep ‘em coming!

[@saminator4497]

What a phenomenal video. I love how understated but completely logical and sensible thewe ideas are. While many of even my favourite and best theroists can oft get a bit sensational in their ideas, and miss out the importance of the minutiae of how one may go from A to B. You lay everything out really succinctly, in ways which don't deviate from what we expect of certain characters, where other theories do, even if likely correct, and seem very much so in the head and on the lines of the sort of steps George seems to take when writing and navigating stories. . . Organically. I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up being a massively accurate synopsis of what we're going to see in the North throughout the next book. Even though lots of questions seem so open ended and unanswerable, that's just cos we've had too much time to overcomplicate things and miss what is stating us in the face. So the way you formulate most of these ideas, even if many are ideas already circulating through the community, is very commendable and I really enjoyed it. A definite Sub from me and I hope you can build your notoriety 😁

[@yaboyed5779]

Channel is underrated af. Amazing sit through.

[@kingcosmo7322]

chaos in series PLEASE CONTINUE ITS SO GOOD IVE WATCHED THESE LIKEN500 times

[@FlorentPlacide]

This is perfect ! You're concise, clear, it is visually pleasing and you have a nice voice for narration.

[@Sprigatitito]

I’ve genuinely never heard the theory of Howland being in the crypts to talk to Jon. Him having Ned’s bones makes sense and I really like this idea!

[@AhmedFathy-lt6wl]

This is the first video I've seen on your channel. Certainly won't be the last. Great video!

[@bimyou9555]

Love it. Just crushed through all your videos in the last few days. 🎉

[@xxstexx7450]

God I love maps.... As soon as I saw that map of the north in the very start, I subbed

[@noahowenst]

Great video mate, really love your channel

[@CrusaderChris]

Thank you

[@The_Struggler_]

What an incredibly high quality video, the pink letter brothers theory is fresh and honestly makes alot of sense. Keep it up :)

[@jsull81]

I don't have time to give all my thoughts right now, but I just wanted to say I thoroughly enjoyed this video, well done 👍🏼

[@1997Nightwing]

Barely halfway through, but I love this format and the predictions made here

[@college54114]

I love these long form TWOW videos you’ve been making, and I especially love the Castle Black map you made. Just great stuff

[@ilijas3041]

By all means, please keep up the nerdyness of this format, its probably very demanding but it looks worth the effort. Your research and presentation are spot on, and the map you are using really enhanced the appeal. Theres an obvious deficit of Australian accent but your role model must be proud of your work nevertheless

[@j84martinez44]

This video is my favorite one of yours that I've seen so far. Good shit

[@RileySH]

I know it will probably happen, but I just hate the idea of Stannis himself ordering the burning of Shireen. But I long ago started to believe that whatever George will manage to publish in Winds, it will be a really big letdown. 13 years, and counting, is too much time for people to theorize and try to come up with the continuation of the story. Inevitably, most reader's theories may prove utterly or partly false, leaving them dissapointed. I don't think Martin can complete the series in a satisfying way. I truly hope I am wrong about this, but the years of wait seemingly made me too bitter to hope.

[@unseenfool]

best vid iv seen since ALT SHIFT (not that its a competition) i knew some of this stuff but i genuinely didn't know about the differences of the pink letter. GREAT WORK TBH.

[@cosmicneon49]

i never get tired of the new rockstars thumbnail bit lmaooo

[@ohhhmindy4380]

This was an excellent breakdown of the content. Loved it!

[@nzcamel3]

I cannot see Stannis burning his daughter. If that sacrifice needs to be made in his mind, he will burn himself first.

[@Mandavi125]

Azor Ahai killed the person Who loved more . Not himself

[@thehalfmanTL]

Yes Chris coming with the full hour video keep ot up!!

[@LilPrezzy36]

Looove the video. Probably the best one on the northern plot likes yet

[@CDtrumpet5]

Love these longform videos. Great analysis of the text

[@ChampionGold]

More of this pls i love longform lore to put on during the day

[@xess4168]

Perhaps in the time it takes for Jon to be resurrected, his hair turns a silver white, like a Targaryen.

[@matthewdavis9715]

Dropping in to say, you did really well with this type of video. Would love to see another like it. Maybe one about the south next? Aegon’s Invasion, Cersei, the Faith, Euron, etc.

[@aditya-mp9jj]

Keep up with these long and detailed theories

[@HeadbutKneecap]

It’s worth noting that in the books rhaegar didn’t get an annulment, so Jon would still technically be a bastard and have no actual claim to the iron throne.

[@justdirt]

Awesome video. A video like this on Mereen, Eastern Essos, The Reach, Dorne, and Thw Riverlands, and The Crownlands would be great.

[@Henbot]

Honestly the thing I am looking for the most when the new books hit is the difference you’ll get for the northern story.

[@adamtobin8132]

Absolutely love this. Beautifully done.

[@wubwub247]

This was awesome Chris! I love your content its such high quality, I hope your channel continues to get more exposure.

[@CrusaderChris]

Thank you

[@Vmac1394]

I do not think GRRM's plans are binding. Keep in mind that when he started writing, that he planned for Jaime to be the big villain and for Jon to have a romantic relationship with Arya. He changes his mind constantly.

[@e.1067]

This video is absolutely brilliant, it really helps sum up every north plotline to help how twow can go. I do kinda hate that stannis will die/doom himself and will probably not see ados but honestly hearing all the theories on how he will win the war, i do want him to survive. If I didnt think that the wall will fall during the wars, i would back up the theory of stannis as the 1000th commander of night's watch. Alas, i do hope at the very least he has an honorable death, despite his decision to burn shireen.

[@michaelfrieszell6745]

Very solid and thorough...great video ❤

[@netojader]

Excellent video, subscribing and excited for more stuff like this!

[@Mahawww]

I really enjoy your videos! I hope your channel grows a lot more in the future, you deserve it!

[@gimmedaloot]

Great work, this was a very enjoyable video.

[@leftofyou]

Great work with this video!

[@jackcrawford884]

This video was amazing! Please please do similar ones with other areas

[@Mr_Koloo]

This video is incredibly well done. Earned yourself a sub

[@joeyken81]

OMG OMG OMG.... I have just finished the books, after re-watching the show a thousand times. Throughout ACOK & ASOS, I kept thinking "Melisandre is on the money" and in fact, the one time Stannis truly suffered defeat was when Davos persuaded Stannis to leave her behind for the Batlle of The Blackwater. Now given how she ended up being so wrong in the show about Stannis, I kept wondering how can she be so right in most of her interpretations/predictions yet end up being so wrong about him. But the theory you've presented about waking dragons from stone actually validates the idea that Stannis is in fact Azor Ahai. He's literally sacrificing his only living heir (and probably the only person in this world he truly loves). Holy fuck! And how poetically and terrifyingly tragic.

[@syjak9067]

This was awesome. Would be great if you could do another video like this for the south of westeros as well

[@mitchellb1518]

great review, thanks for the upload!

[@prophetchosen862]

It's always summer, under the sea I know, I know, oh, oh, oh The birds have scales, and the fish take wing I know, I know, oh, oh, oh The rain is dry, and the snow falls up I know, I know, oh, oh, oh The stones crack open, the water burns The shadows come to dance, my lord The shadows come to play The shadows come to dance, my lord The shadows come to stay

[@fike2951]

Captivating content as always!

[@DonHbankz]

Loved this need more while we wait another 5 years for WOW

[@alyswesthill3562]

I LOVE this style of content!

[@richardramirez3731]

Love the video bro! Keep them coming

[@AlgrenTheBlue]

Great video as always my man

[@GT880vt]

Loved the video, hope u make more in the future

[@benethrax]

Will Stannis really consciously sacrifice Shireen? After instructing Massey to continue fighting to put Shireen on the throne in the event of his death? I just don’t see it.

[@Rocsanna]

Very good stuff, well done 👏

[@King_Steffon_II]

I pray you'll tackle EVERY major plotline in the south 🙏🏾 Especially King's Landing 🙏🏾

[@a.j.carter2294]

Loved this format and all the content you delivered. Would love to something like this again assuming we don’t run totally dry of content to overanalyze before TWoW releases 💀

[@r.rsmith]

My theory is that Melisandre misinterpreting the Lightbringer and Azor Ahai prophecy is meant to happen in order for Stannis to burn Shireen which allows Jon's ressurection, that way it fulfillls Stannis's part of the prophecy despite Melisandre thinking him to be the saviour against the Others or something, and it also fulfills the waking dragons from stone part (or something like that)...

[@DawudSandstorm2]

42:00 I'm actually for the opinion that they just outright wrote the letter considering how close the arrival of the letter and the assassination of Jon Snow was.

[@gabagool7597]

I love your videos. Best Ice and Fire KZbinr next to Alt Shift X!

[@CrusaderChris]

Thank you, that’s very high praise

[@DeCode343]

Absolutely awsome video!!! I guess we can all agree: Stannis beeing dead and still having to go back to the Wall to sacrifice his daughter seems to be a good indicator of SOMETHING 😅

[@louiscassis3426]

Digging the content! Keep it up!

[@ericessington7307]

This is a very good video. Well done.

[@CrusaderChris]

Thank you very much!

[@033MMAFiend]

Your edits are so clean brother

[@shaycase1834]

You’re video was great! Thank you. I’ve subscribed