Chaos is a ladder.. but to where? ASOIAF Theory Analysis

[@buckfastbjork6968]

I despise the idea that littlefinger is connected to the others or is a skinchanger What makes his character so compelling is that while he holds no real power he accomplishes his goals and gains power through political savvy and manipulating others

[@randominternetguyoffical]

100% agree

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@adonaimelles2317either way you're convincing Ned to do something he doesn't want to do.. idk if you can construct a case that convincing Eddard "loyal to the bone, always does the right thing stark" to do the socially unacceptable thing that betrays his dead homie and starts a giga war is easier than convincing him to do what his society, code of conduct and dead friend say to do. I think that a dream manipulator could have shoved Ned either way, given his social conditioning (feudalism) and his physical/mental state. To the outside observer/schemer (littelfinger) who lives in that system (feudalism) if Ned's reputation is know (that of being honorable to a fault) getting Ned to keep his honor would probably seem like the more likely to work option. This also for sure, would knock Ned off the equation and keep Sansa in kingslanding (Littlefingers assumed motives) So again if LF is trying to get to a dead ned, a war and a sansa. reaching into ned dreams to get him to tell Joff to fuck himself is a more direct route that requires no additional dream jumping. He wouldnt even need to force Joff to do anything, Joff would be force to kill ned defacto, cuz feudalism.

[@rodrigobueno8652]

I agree,I think i need to see the lnked videos,but i have never saw littlefinger linked with any kind of prophecy..it sounds a really jump of logics saying a childhood play is a prophecy..i think the fanbase ahs a bad habit of confsing what is a analogy or forshadowing to the reader as in universe theory

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@rodrigobueno8652 If you're talking about the preston theory I def agree there is some conflation going on. Preston is a great analyst and his deep reading ability is what got me into asoiaf, but I think GRRM throws in so much parallel and homage to elements of his own story within the story that its easy to read a parallel to Bael or Rhaegar and assume that the character being paralleled shares their motivations and or part of their character history.

[@bryanb2886]

Ha. Manipulating (the) others”

[@DimNussens]

Baelish is someone who seems to me the kind of man to scorn anything magical. Not because he hates magic (like Varys claims for himself) but simply because...he's a practical man. He focuses on the here, now, the real, and what's in front of him. I genuinely think Littlefinger is mostly what we see of him. Littlefinger Debt Scheme? Yep. I'll buy that. Magic stuff, not so much. I really look forwards to part two!

[@enta_nae_mere7590]

My opinion of Littlefinger is that he is the most bourgeois character, an early modern individual who can see and act beyond feudalism but is still enamored by it. He comes from an impoverished house and uses connections to attempt to climb the feudal ladder through the only means he had, marriage to a higher house. But this fails to the greater martial skill of Brandon. Instead he is forced to gain power outside of feudal means through trade and corruption. Only once he has amassed outside power does he again climb the ladder through sowing chaos whilst being insulated from it by his wealth and the influence it brings.

[@laurencehoffelder1579]

He doesn't come from an impoverished house. The Westerlings are impoverished but house Baelish is/was without influence and wealth before Littlefinger which makes his rise even greater.

[@FunkBastid]

He’s definitely not as bourgeois as the majority of other lords who look down on money-handling. He’s very machiavellian, maybe the most machiavellian character in the story, but in that he’s not very bourgeois.

[@eric2500]

I think you are getting terms mixed up. The bourgeious of the late middle ages were burghers, people who got rich on trade, had no noble blood or titles, just money. @@FunkBastid

[@eric2500]

Yes. He is straight out of the middle class and later the very upper middle class and rich of real world history. He's like the untitled gentlemen in Austin. He's like Andrew Carnegie, who moved back to Scotland, married and bought himself an estate, dammit! A laird at last.

[@mohirender]

Baelish genuinely loved Catelyn as a kid and that's why he dueled for her hand. I don't think even as a kid he had some Machiavellian scheme going on

[@YggdrasilAudio]

If he has God-level powers, then why does he manipulate the realm with such a complex scheme of debts and hostages? I believe much more in the theory that he WANTS to be a legendary God-like figure. EDIT: Also the common demoninator of everyone who are plagued by manipulatibg visions in their dreams isn't that they are injured, it's that they are weightless.

[@dustingaethje1332]

That's practically not even a theory at this point, he's literarly recreating the story of Bael the Bard. Even his surname is BAELish.

[@YggdrasilAudio]

@@dustingaethje1332 Yeah, I'm a believer in that theory.

[@YggdrasilAudio]

@@dustingaethje1332 There's one thing that speaks against this though. The tale of Bael the Bard doesn't seem to be that well-known. The only ones who makes references to it in the story are wildlings, and according to maester Yandel, all records of such an event seem to have been destroyed south of the Wall, as there are no texts in Winterfell speaking of it. EDIT: Then again, Yandel does report on it so maybe it's common knowledge, idk.

[@shizachan8421]

@@YggdrasilAudio I think it could be a fringe story that is not widely known But also not lost. Rhaegar after all seems to emulate Bael too. It would make sense that this story is particularily suppressed in the North, because it puts into question their legitimacy. It basically states that the entire line of Starks are the descendants of bastard and therefore that they hold no true claim over Winterfell and that they would have a wildling heritage. For them it would not some story but hostile propaganda that especially Houses like the Boltons, who have been after the Starks for a very long time, could use to rebel against them. In the South on the other hand, it could be still in circulation but just not that popular, as the North and Wildlings wouldn't be a popular setting for the majority of Southerners, who prefer stories set in nicer locations involving Knights.

[@YggdrasilAudio]

@@shizachan8421 I've actually done a 180 and no longer believes in this theory. Partly because of this video (If it's so important to LF to steal the rose of Winterfell, then why does he wait 1,5 decade and then pick a different girl? It makes it feel like the fulfilment of prophecy isn't that important. Also, his actions just put Sansa in harms way constantly and he never technically steal her from the lord of Winterfell.) Partly because of what you said actually, Rhaegar is another Bael analogue, and so is Mance technically. It's just a very common motif in the story, so I don't see why it would have any special significance when connected to LF. Sure his name sounds similar, but so does Mance's. He uses an anagram of Bael when infiltrating Winterfell.

[@dennisyoungblood1068]

Another thing about Preston Jacobs's video, he was saying that Littlefinger was comparing himself to Bael the Bard and The Rose of Winterfell, but that story is a Wildling story. Jon Snow had never even heard of it, and he's from Winterfell. But Preston thinks that someone from the Riverlands knows all about it? I'm not buying

[@randominternetguyoffical]

That is an interesting point I didn't actually remember that jon snow didn't know the rose of winterfell story So that does make it kind of a rare story that probably wouldn't reach south of the wall all the way to the riverlands 🤔

[@Vmac1394]

Ygrette's version of the story is probably bs because she says that Bael snuck into Winterfell, kidnapped a girl, took her into the crypts, impregnated her, and hid with her there for over a year. If Ygrette didn't say that the kidnapped girl loved Bael, that sounds like a nightmarish rape scenario rather than a love story. Also, the story is about *Lord* Stark's daughter , meaning that Bael the Bard is a figure from the Targaryen era, so the historical version of Bael is probably well known. The historical version probably isn't nearly as palatable as Ygrette's as when she's talking Stoneskin interrupts her and says that Bael was "a murderer, robber, and raper." GRRM is definitely setting something up from a literary perspective as GRRM had several years to name Bael the Bard anything but that if he didn't want the names associated. The story of Bael the Bard is set up. Later Baelish steals Lord Stark's daughter from King's Landing. Then later Mance infiltrates Winterfell as a bard named Abel, an anagram of Bael, to steal Lord Stark's daughter (in this case fake Arya). On the same token that Littlefinger doesn't make any attempts on Cat after the duel, he also doesn't get married and takes 14 years to murder Jon Arryn. He is only ever interested in women he cannot have as they are married and he is an extremely eligible bachelor. The guy is filthy rich and could afford a monster dowry to some family to inherit some land and a big castle. Instead, he is indeed fixated on the cursed ruins of Harrenhall and the Tully sisters. Also, after Ned dies, Cat is single but by that point Littlefinger has swapped his obsession to Sansa, so his initial plan could have just been to make Cat a widow and make a move on her then. For that matter why does a highborn man who is master of coin and immensely rich need to run a business like a brothel? I'm getting off track but the guy is so incredibly sketchy and peculiar that there's definitely more going on than the vanilla version. Here's a fresh take, the historical Bael the Bard snuck into Winterfell to try to rape Lord Stark's wife but raped another woman, thinking it was Lady Stark. Then Littlefinger would be truly Bael-ish in that creepy GRRM kind of way.

[@varamyr_]

I very much like this formula that you got going on, I watched some of these theories years ago so it's nice to see someone blow the dust off them and give us a retrospective look on how good they hold up. (also don't worry your voice is just as cool as everyone else)

[@dennisyoungblood1068]

Yeah, if Littlefinger can enter dreams, why hasn't he been visiting Dany? She literally had the nukes of Westeros, nay, the nukes of Planetos. If it's about power, and he has that kind of magical power, that's where the power is

[@heathenpride7931]

Yeah Littlefinger isn’t nearly as big a player as some others. Euron, Bloodraven, Marwyn, House Hightower, and Quaithe are definitely the biggest players in the game. Mopatis seems to be on the verge between these players and the tier below. The tier below being Littlefinger, Doran, and Varys.

[@kekero540]

If Preston is right about Penny being LFs agent he could try to ally Dany by bringing her Tyrions head.

[@mycattypedthis2827]

I think this character outgrew himself. What I mean is, when GRRM came up with him, he was probably just one of the contenders for the throne who was taking power by scheming using his intelligence, coming from nothing, unlike all the rich powerful nobles in the story. However, along the way his schemes became so complicated and shrouded in mystery that simple explanation of "he just wants to be a king" would be too disappointing to the readers in the eyes of GRRM, so now he's kinda stuck with this super complex interesting character that he doesn't know what to do with (hence his death in the show, probably). Just a thought.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

That's a really interesting thought and I may need to explore that path. I still think there is a good explanation behind the Finger and I think it will help explain why DnD (other than being hacks) weren't able to write a satisfying ending to him. But I wouldn't rule out your hypothesis either, writing a story over a 20+ yr period is gonna have massive character and plot implications and hurdles.

[@umwha]

I think there is more to it even from the start. Bael is another word for Baal an ancient fertility seasonal god. So the idea that Baelish’s aim has to do with a Stealing a magical girl connected to some sort of seasonal mythology thing isn’t that far fetched. The other key myth here is Persephone , a spring maiden who was kidnapped and this caused the world to become winter, then she becomes queen of the underworld, consort of hades. She spends half the year above ground and half below ground, creating season. The motif of a maiden being stolen is so prevalent (Sansa / the flower of winter fell) that this mythological underpinning cannot be denied

[@pharaohanakaris]

i think the analysis-of-analysis that you are doing is really cool and important. i find it enormously frustrating to hear ASOIAF analysts discussing plot holes while having plot holes in their own videos. no shade, but a second layer of examination is absolutely warranted given the complexity we are dealing with. Subscribed!!! Thank you!!!

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Really glad you're enjoying the videos, I love talking and pulling apart theories of alll kinds so I'm happy to know people wanna hear it!

[@pharaohanakaris]

@@randominternetguyoffical i should probably be writing this on one of your star trek videos (just clicking through the notif of this reply from you) but i was checking out your other content and found those very cool and interesting, despite only being the most casual ST barely actual fan. I would watch any ST vid from you! More please! Haha. Cheers R.I.G.

[@JMTgpro]

The problem with that theory is about making sense of Baelish's acting. It's my idea that Baelish is really looking for two things. Connection and power. I don't think he wants to sit on the throne, but he wants absolute power over whoever sits on the throne, this power, not born of talent or debt, but love or more importantly, family. He wants the king or queen to have him as their only emotional connection. Sansa in particular. That's why, he didn't like Robert, he was very outgoing and not isolable. This is why he hates the Lannisters, in particular Cersei. Too chaotic to control for a long time. That is why, even associating with the Tyrell, he does not see them as champions of his intentions. It is a large family, with strong ties, stable and solid. He will never be a part of them. But... The Starks. Baelish does have that grudge towards them and his lost love with Cat. But this love only made him reaffirm his intention. Grabbing a Stark, in particular the one closest to his love, Cat. And isolating her to control her and thus position her as a "champion" for his desires for power. It is really his intention. It is abusive, in that its desire is to isolate a person, to become their only emotional connection, and thus to abuse whatever power they may amass by making it their own. Baelish wants to make Sansa a queen, only after becoming his only emotional connection. After he is sure that there are no other prospects for her, after making her believe that she cannot do anything alone or without him. That's why I think his intention is to make Sansa suffer emotionally.

[@JMTgpro]

For example, there is no evidence of it. But if it were the Lannisters who had fallen. If Robb had reached Kings Landing and Tywin would have died sooner. I'm sure her plan would have changed to escape with Tommen, instead of Sansa.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@JMTgpro Thats an interesting thought,, LF taking Tommen in a stark victory. I also think he's a pretty fluid guy when It comes to plans.

[@JMTgpro]

@@randominternetguyoffical And if we explore this idea further. We also see how he tries to influence the areas with the worst dynastic stability. The Starks and the Arryns are the families (of the biggest), with fewer secondary members to take refuge in, in case a parasite tries to "poison" the mind and isolate one of its younger members. Martell, is isolated in itself, they would not accept a stranger. Tyrell, Baelish has no one to isolate, Margaery, being the youngest, has Garlan, Willas, Loras, uncles, cousins, all with power in the Reach. The Lannisters are one of the strongest dynasties in Westeros, while the Tullys already have all their members as adults. There are only the Starks left, who really only have one adult member (Ned) and the Arryn, who we already saw how he isolated Lysa, killed Jon and now has absolute control over the last member (Technically, the same as with the Starks). My idea is that. Baelish wants to create that connection with a member of the great disputed families of the crown, to not only be an adviser, to be the true power behind the throne.

[@schroederscurrentevents3844]

Wow! This has a thousand views and 48 comments. That’s a really good ratio. Your video was done very professionally and I can’t imagine you won’t grow a TON. Good luck!

[@weirdwesteros1109]

Ooooooh wee!!! Love how you’ve put this video together, digging your content!! I love how nuanced and multidimensional majority of Martin’s characters are, they are hardly ever simple and straightforward.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Thank you, I appreciate it. Glad you enjoy the analysis. Should the next one out in a bit!

[@weirdwesteros1109]

@@randominternetguyoffical Looking forward to it!

[@andrewfoss5311]

Thanks! Please keep making these videos, I’ve read and listened to every asoiaf book at least a dozen times each and I love having a new perspective

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Really happy you find the videos fun. Im currently working for a part 3 on the Varys and Illyrio series! Hopefully it'll be out soon XD

[@bobbehwitchie]

Half way through and I gotta say. Your format and presentation has me hooked. I might binge all 3 parts.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Thank you, really glad you've enjoyed it so far. I'm slowly plodding on the final part right now lol

[@daboos6353]

I really like this format of getting theories from a bunch of people and discussing them.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Ive gotten some good feedback on the format so I think in future series I'll try to do a few more that start like this! Really glad you've enjoyed the watching

[@daboos6353]

@@randominternetguyoffical Looking forward to it, good luck

[@GeminibBorn]

SO glad I found this channel. I appreciate that you enjoy other Asoiaf theories, but you are still able to coherently and respectfully point out the holes in them. I have been a fan of Preston Jacobs and Order of the Greenhand a long time, but sometimes they take leaps and somersaults *cough*jacobs*cough* in logic. 😄 Right or wrong I still love the content, some of best on youtube IMO. I really enjoyed this video, I am now a sub! I will be watching out for the next one. I am interested to see what kind of theories you come up with yourself.

[@emperorxander666]

personally think Order of the Greenhand take much larger than jacob. jacob i can see okay maybe he could be right but i don't think so on there while OotG are crack pot theories they make other theory just so they can have jon snow wielding dawn in the final battle.

[@Seven_Leaf]

To be fair every point of Jacob's theory has backing of some sort we can point to in the books. Harrenhall, God's Eye, Bael the Bard, Last King of Duskendale, Sansa slaying a Giant, Widowhood will become her, her matriarchial line etc etc etc. Now yes Tyrion has been called a giant as well, but GRRM likes to keep his prophecies vague and usable on many different characters. I haven't heard a single intelligent reason why Dontos was used or why Haarrenhall is so important to LF yet besides Jacobs' theory.

[@GeminibBorn]

@@Seven_Leaf LF is ambitious, anything else is overthinking. Harrenhal makes him one of the greatest lords in the kingdom overnight. Why wouldn’t an ambitious man want it? Because he held HH he was named Lord Protector of the Eyrie and could marry Lysa. It affords him position. GRRM doesn’t write everyone with some long prophetic motivation. In fact most of his characters have simple but real motivations. Dontos was used because he was useable. That is what happens when the strong meet the weak. LF of the Mountain, they both exploit those weaker than themselves. Tywin Lannister remade the entire landscape of the seven kingdoms twice and there were no prophecies involved. Dance of the Dragons had no prophecies involved, just ambitious people in the royal family. It’s all overthinking. You ever heard of a smart guy thinking he is too smart for his own good? That is Preston Jacobs IMO.

[@StrongHamr]

I like the theories by In Deep Geek around the character. That Littlefinger started the chaos that began Robert's Rebellion. Git check out his series of videos about the Rebellion because idk which specific vid it is. Also, he has a theory in a Jaquan Hagar video that Littlefinger hired the Faceless Men to kill Ned on the way to the Wall.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

LF and the faceless me is something I feel like people would be more into but I haven't seen that much on teh two of them. I'll have to take a peek at it. Very much like InDeepGeek's channels, he's a great narrator

[@prieterico]

Damn boy, you're bringing so much good material. Keep it up :D

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Thank you, I'm really glad you enjoyed

[@williamcross6922]

With regards to Littlefinger and prophecy "There was a hermit's cave on his land as well, but no hermit. "He's dead now, but when I was a boy my father took me to see him. The man had not washed in forty years, so you can imagine how he smelled, but supposedly he had the gift of prophecy. He groped me a bit and said I would be a great man, and for that, my father gave him a skin of wine." Petyr snorted. "I would have told him the same thing for half a cup."- Sansa VI ASOS

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I should have gotten to this in the video, but I think this is actually a part of a case that Baelish doesn't take things like prophecy seriously. I think that he believes that such things are not real and that "life is not a song". Defiantly going to have to bring it up soo though, because Preston has a really really interesting case and he's a bit better of a detective than myself.

[@shizachan8421]

@@randominternetguyoffical I think it could also be Petyr just playing the part of a cynic who mocks prophecy, despite being obsessed by it. I mean, that is the public Persona Petyr loves to present, that of the down to earth who cares more about material goods than greater ambitions, which isn't true either, otherwise he wouldn't build such a grand and risky scheme and instead settle for the power and wealth he had in Kings Landing. I think we also shouldn't underestimate what kind of impact such a prophecy would have on Petyr when he was a child.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@shizachan8421 Only thing I would say is we see a fair deal of evidence that he's not a prophecy boi and basically none that he is.. Where as we also get lots of solid motivations (at least to my mind) through out the series. I got into I a lot more in the later videos and I'm still working on part 5 of the series, so check out the other vids and let me know your thoughts.

[@Walkriot]

Great video! Also the second littlefinger video I've seen where the creator accidentally said the hunger games mockingjay instead of mockingbird 😆

[@Alberto_Barbosa]

Chaosh is a ladder... And Harronhahll I shpbose dats off thuh table? Thar is ownlee won woman I ever loved... Yar shishter.

[@evilcorgi1367]

I think littlefinger is much more compelling as a character with no powers or gifts. It makes everything he does that much more impressive.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I certainly agree, working off his own intellect makes him much more compelling

[@shizachan8421]

@@randominternetguyoffical I personally feel like that this is what made Prestons theory so compelling, as Littlefinger would be connected to the grand magical aspects of the story while not having any special gifts himself, him being more like Sisyphos, a mere mortal who tries to outwit the gods.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@shizachan8421 That's an interesting take, but I would point out that Preston doesn't believe in magic or gods existing in Ice and Fire (as far as I know) so there's a bit of a contradiction in the concepts overall. Personally I'm not a godly or magic subscriber myself so I'd want to see some real hard proof of gods before believe in prophecy. But mostly I'd need to see Littlefinger read like at least one or two of the books Rhaegar was always reading or like something like that... Check out the rest of the series cuz I think Littlfefinger's motives become clearly not about prophecy.

[@shizachan8421]

@@randominternetguyoffical Sorry for the late response and I still have to finish the series, didn't have any time yesterday. I personally think that prophecy is probably made up to manipulate people while I think magic is real, I think Prestons insistance of trying to frame the series as sci-fi goes a bit too far especially since sci-fi and fantasy is mostly an aesthetic difference and I think if there are any gods out there, they probably lean more towards eldritch abominations. We know that the old gods are basically just one big collective consciousness and I feel like if the drowned god or R'hlor are real, they lean more towards being nefarious entities of great magical power, closer to demons or lovecraftian gods. I personally think that Preston is on his money when it comes to Littlefingers entire dept schemes, as this one seems to be well thought out. When it comes to his connection to the super natural, I lean to think that it could be accidental and what Littlefingers endgame is, is to creat his own story, his own song. Baelish, who fooled gods and kings alike to steal and marry his Lady of Winterfell. I think it would fit the best with Sansas narrative beats, which are pretty meta in nature. Sansas character after all starts off as basically a big fantasy-nerd who's stuck in a mundane and cruel world. She starts of loving what would amount to the equivalent of fantasy stories we enjoy, of legendary knights and epic love stories, just to discover, that these stories are a fake. When it comes to her relationship with Sweetrobin and the way she helps him to become more confident with her stories, I think her story will end in her developing a mature appreciation for the stories she loves at the beginning, as somethign that is fake and yet can lend people strength and escapism in dire times. The story of Florian the Fool after all, helped her to emotionally survive the terror and horror of being a hostage of the Lannisters. Lannister seems to mirror this theme, he used to play Jenny of Oldstones with Oldstones with Cat and him challenging Brandon Stark over her really mirrors typical tales of the plucky underdog hero triumphin against the odds and winning over his one true love who is way out of his league from the popular jock asshole. He thought himself in a great epic romance, when in reality he was just a barely noble kid who ended up getting abused, raped, humiliated and nearly killed by the true people in power, but I think he never really grew out of viewing himself as the hero of his own story. Him staying obsessed with Cat for 15 years and how fast he shifts his obsession to her teenage daughter who looks exactly like her feels like it is supposed to tell, that in his heart he is still that kid. What he did would not kling to his obsession with Cat and engage in so many risky gambits that can easily cost him everything the moment somebody doesn't acts according to plan, and instead he just changed his role in the epic is is making up in his hand, from the plucky loveable underdog to the trickster, to Bael and Durran Godsgrief, who fools everyone and wins his throne and his queen of love and beauty by tricking gods and kings alike. This is at least my theory. I think Petyrs ambitions aren't magical, if they end up being so it will be by sheer accident, and instead they are meta, they are about the story which he creats. And it would just make all the sense from a narrative perspective to give Littlefinger more theatralic and epic motivations than just wanting to conquer the Iron Throne, because the story has long moved past that, we are at the point were Stannis wants to unite the realms of men against the Others, where Aegon and Daenerys are about to redo the dance of the dragons and Euron plans to become a god. Martin is a savvy writer and I think he is aware of just wanting the Iron Throne for the sake of it isn't cutting it anymore in terms of motivations, it needs to be something more flamboyant.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

No worries at all, sometimes I take forever to respond. And some of the more indepth contributors to the conversation around these parts like Mj Jetson (shout out if you're seein this Mj

[@karlyonedastan1905]

I do think the Occam's razor of 'he could've just bought Harrenhall' isn't very compelling - there's already a lot of people beefing with Baelish getting it for rather exemplary service due to his low birth and the fact that Harrenhall is too valuable a reward etc, I don't think the Lannisters or really any others would have tolerated him buying it from the Whent's during peacetime. Obviously not an argument for the Preston theory though

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Mighta been a bit tangential, and I'm gonna go into it a bit more, but I think that buying Harrenhall actually is way way more plausible if his end game is owning it. LF proves the power and attraction of wealth to impoverished or small houses in his plotlines in the vale. Money talks a ton for lord who don't have much and Baelish, essentially is a money printer and a power broker extrondinare. I will admit that buying it isn't his only option, for example he could probably just buy the undying loyalty of house Whent and have the all access harrenhall pass but, I think the concept of his ability to aquire things like Harenhall through finance and or brain smarts implies heavily that starting the war of the 5 kings was not about acquiring that particular castle.

[@karlyonedastan1905]

@@randominternetguyoffical Looking forward to further analysis from you!

[@Plethrick]

Just the other day I discovered this channel through the Gerold Hightower=Mance Ryder debunk and then he comes out with this amazing video over my personally favorite character. Wonderful. Though I do subscribe to the Preston theory the most, but I’m excited to see what he comes up with. Also, this is the first time I’ve ever heard the Greenhand theory and it genuinely might be one of the dumbest ASOIAF theories I’ve ever hear

[@Rosie-yt8nd]

i love this format of comparing different theories! Considering these is fun and i love me some tinfoil, but when thinking what could actually be possible, i ask myself *what does this add to the story?* A secret should enhance the narrative once it's revealed, otherwise whats the purpose of it. Giving everyone magical or prophecy connections is fun for tinfoil, but imo it makes their individual stories less interesting. The compelling part of asoiaf is the *contrast* between the few magical people and the mundane, absolutely not magical. They both wield power in their own way. Baelish is like the antithesis to someone like Quaith, he doesn't need magic. He relies completely on himself (and spite), that ppl underestimate him makes him so dangerous. His unassumingness is his weapon. Fuelled by 150% spite he does incredible things, from a nobody to master manipulator.

[@Argos-xb8ek]

Littlefingers ties to Braavos has to mean something

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Wondered about this myself, rn I cant find one, but it will need to be explored in the upcoming part 4 (or 5)

[@alvinchoquet5761]

I dont know who you are, I don't know why you are not many more suscribers. But you add interesting and fresh views on all those stuff , it's neat. Keep them videos coming boi

[@randominternetguyoffical]

My thanks for the high praise. I will do my best to keep em rollin!

[@TheCbot88]

I wonder if Baelish’s grandpa and Ser Dunkin the Tall ever ran into each other. Part of me wonders how much George is working to fit everything together forward and backwards, just so, without giving away anything

[@randominternetguyoffical]

hmmm, well have to look out for that titan head sigil!

[@iamnotagoose]

I’m loving your Ice and Fire content!

[@TraciPeteyforlife]

If anything Littlefinger is a background master mind. Who is quietly growing his legend with those in back ground. Who are actual players as well. Not sure what his end goal is, but its clear. That he wants to raise but prefers to stay out of the lime light.

[@bobbehwitchie]

Been putting this off for a while. I'm about to start this journey. LETS GO!

[@GalacticArchive0]

Hello there. I have been watching your videos for the past month, and approve of your method of analysis, especially regarding Order of the Green Hand. I am a friend of Glidus (who you reference in this video), and would love to chat with you.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Really glad you enjoyed the videos and such. Id be down to ramble on some nerd talk sometime. I was recommended his server on discord by someone on here, you hang out on there?

[@GalacticArchive0]

@@randominternetguyoffical That I do. I have the same username over there.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@GalacticArchive0 I'll track ya down

[@bclr6843]

Both were also saved from death by blade by Bran’s mother. But that’s really about it

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Thats actually a fun parallel!

[@huberthepner3754]

The best character in the books

[@eric2500]

I have trouble with most of Green Hand's theories. They don't even get the clearest of motivations right very often.

[@kalemboyle7930]

Green Hand and Preston Jacobs are just mental tin foil conspiracy theorists within the community in my opinion. They are just way to out there to be taken seriously.

[@YggdrasilAudio]

Littlefinger wants to go up, up, up the ziggurat lickety-split!

[@CompeAnansi1218]

I prefer your voice to most of the other ASoIaF youtubers. Great videos random internet guy

[@tarvoc746]

Chaos is a ladder... and you know from which point to safely overthrow a ladder, so if you ever want to end feudalism or something, you know who to ask.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

You hear preston's deeper dorne? focuses around the idea the systemic overthrow is Dorans ultimate objective, very interesting if you havent peeped at it yet.

[@tarvoc746]

@@randominternetguyoffical Yeah, I've seen it, though it's been a while. Doubtful imo, though it does depend on what exactly you mean by that. Keep in mind that actually overthrowing feudalism would cost Doran his own position of power and privilege too. The Dornish certainly have a tradition of welfare and care for the commonfolk that goes beyond most of Westeros, but it's still clearly feudal-paternalistic. What Preston describes is closer to introducing welfare systems than to fostering actual systemic change imo.

[@otto_jk]

@@tarvoc746 I don't think so Doran is incredibly wealthy especially when compared to his fellow dornishmen even if the system was to be thrown he would be incredibly wealthy bourgeoisie man. Sunspear is the closest westerosi city to the southern free cities in Essos he could become even more richer with the transformation from feudalism to capitalism by making Sunspear the most important city for foreign trade.

[@keirangrant1607]

Dude you are hilarious. I'm binge watching your channel

[@randominternetguyoffical]

really glad you enjoyed the video, ill be trying to keep the new stuff coming

[@keirangrant1607]

@@randominternetguyoffical Thank you for the hard work. Your videos are informative, well thought out, and very entertaining. I'm gonna tell all every GoT fan about your channel

[@sergeant_chris6209]

Also there's no evidence that Littlefinger, a Southerener, and one that isn't even interested in books, would know of the Wildling story of Bael the bard, which even most northerners probably don't know

[@umwha]

The name implies shared ancestry.

[@sergeant_chris6209]

@@umwha that'a a bit of a stretch don't you think?

[@umwha]

@@sergeant_chris6209 It implies shared something. BaelISH could mean 'people of Bael' as in descendants of Bael. It has to be acknowledged that he is re-enacting the story of Bael, stealing the rose of Winterfell.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Parallelling doesn't mean interacting and entirely the same way or motivated for the same reasons it could just be parallelling for parallelling's sake but also but also if you watch the part 4 there is a much more interesting parallel to another George RR Martin character and their actions in my opinion then there is to bael the Bard And thats "Bunnish" from unsound variations

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Someone else brought up that Jon didn't even know about the rose of winterfell story so I agree, it's a pretty fair point that baelish might not know about it.

[@vanessaamesty6739]

I think Baelish is a mean to position Sansa into power. A narrative device for her to get money, food and political power

[@Nosliw837]

Sweet mother Glimbus getting a shout out, next to poppop Swchifty even. He's made it!

[@randominternetguyoffical]

He actually dropped a comment on my other video, I was quite pleased to see a big name in the asoiaf theory crowd around these humble parts!

[@Nosliw837]

@@randominternetguyoffical Really fun essay btw. Looking forward to the next!

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@Nosliw837 Thank you! I consider them more stoned ramblings lol but I'm really really glad you enjoyed it. I'm actually doing part 2 as we speak

[@Nosliw837]

@@randominternetguyoffical haha. I enjoy listening to crazy theories on nights where insomnia takes hold. I consider it a win/win.

[@barbaraludwiczak4728]

OK, so, IMO, Littlefinger did want Ned to take the black... meanwhile, he wanted to marry Sansa. When Lannisters refused him on account of his being too low born (we know this from Cersei's recollections from DwD) , so, when he didn't get what he wanted, he convinced Joffrey to kill Ned instead. And no, I don't mean that he approached Joffrey in dreams. I think it was Littlefinger who said to Joff: "A strong king acts boldly" (Tywin and Tyrion wondered where Joff could hear that - they assume it was something Robert had said, but I bet it was LF). We know that LF could influence Joff by mere talking - he convinced Joff to have the dwarfs during the wedding, even though Joff hadn;t liked the idea at first. As for the more tinfoil theories - well, you didn't mention one of the boldest of these - that it was LF who somehow lied to Brandon Stark about Raegar abducting and possibly raping Lyanna. Because, when you think about it - we have no idea how this misunderstanding occurred, and it happened for sure. And this is pretty straightforward - after being humiliated in the duel, LF met Lyanna and Raegar on the road - somewhere in Riverlands (I believe someone could tell you where it happened), and while he was supposed to tell Brandon that Lyanna went with Raegar freely, he lied causing hot-tempered Brandon to storm king Aerys. And thus LF got his revenge on Brandon (inadvertently initiating Robert's Rebellion). As for Littlefinger's love for books - well, I think his early passion for stories connects him to Sansa. He tells her something like: life is not a song, when they met. I believe, Littlefinger was just a dreamer when he was a boy. He loved stories and reenacted them with Tully girls, and fancied himself a hero when he challenged Brandon Stark. And he learned the hard way that life is not a story/song. Now, Sansa, similarly learns this when she has to live with Cersei and Joffrey in King's Landing. She also learns this moral hard way. So they share this trope. Eventually, I think LF desired the throne. And I think he will get there somehow. At least, if George follows the plot of The War of Roses. Want even more tinfoil? Well, Baelish sound a bit similar to Welsh, and just like Welsh king of England, Henry VII ended The War of Roses, LF will come out as a winner. Like Henry VII, Baelish is not strong physically, but shrewd, especially in financial matters (Morton's fork). Like Henry VII LF is (relatively) low born. I would say that LF will get the throne, very likely, changing his sigil, reverting to his true one - i.e. Titan of Braavos. However, he won't be the king by the end of the series. Here, I think the GOT series featured the true ending: Bran being the king. Oh, and I also have this feeling that Sansa will get her revenge on LF. You see, GRRM is a great fan of Maurice Druon and Robert Graves. The characters in ASIOAF seems to be influenced by these authors. And Sansa seems to gradually growing into Livia Augusta. And she too might cause the death or downfall of the man who brought her father to death (just like Livia did, according to Graves, of course).

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I'm actually hitting up the bandon one in my next video, as I was unaware it was a theory and discover it last week 0_0 I do see a very different vision of who LF is and where he'll end up tho, so i'm curious to see what you have to think of my final conclusions in the third video (whenever that comes out lol) I think a comparison between the war of the roses and our story would make a fun video sometime, idk if that's a well worn thing or not but it would be fun

[@barbaraludwiczak4728]

@@randominternetguyoffical Ok, you are right, I didn't notice that this was only the first part! To be honest, Littlefinger deserves more than one video. I like how you presented the positions of all theorists I watch them, of course, especially, Preston Jacobs. His theories might seem crazy, but he knows Martin's works, I mean, other novels. I am not a big fantasy fan myself. I'm more into political/historical stuff. I love I, Claudius and The Accursed kings. Game of thrones reminded me of these novels.

[@tcironbear21]

Got to stop you a minute in. If you are are assuming that Peter has some ultimate goal, you don't understand what Peter is doing. Peter doesn't have an ultimate goal. He an opportunist who creates DIRECTED chaos in order to create opportunities. He is not some Cosmic Chessmaster, he is just a man who is good at reacting to Fortuna and will occasionally sucker punch her

[@randominternetguyoffical]

So my final conclusion is actually gonna land closer to what youre getting at. However it is a highly put forth and accepted idea that LF is play the game of thrones, so i gotta go down that path and lay the arguments out then i will present my own theory which counter argues the idea that LF has a set goal like winning the throne or such

[@tcironbear21]

@@randominternetguyoffical Thanks for responding back. Your intro sounds like a building up for a bash of Peter with a flimsy foundation. Maybe I am the minority view, but I never saw Peter as the Chessmaster trope. The Chessmaster doesn't happen in reality and Martin tries for realism. Peter is just climbing as high as he can. His chances at the Iron Throne are pretty much nihl. But he is smart enough to know a warring states period favors men like him and ruthless to those dependent on nepotism. He could end up king of a pretty sizable part of it.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@tcironbear21 Have you read unsound variations by GRRM? Kinda a sneak peak at my thoughts, but I think Baelish is very much like if not almost directly Bruce Bunish.(minus the time travel lol) Interesting Unsound Variations about a chessplayer who becomes a time traveling chessmaster of sorts to ruin the lives of his chessteam buddies who laughed at him after a tournament loss. GRRM was very into and professionally put on chess tournaments for a min, weirdly enough

[@tcironbear21]

@@randominternetguyoffical That would be depressing if Peter does turnout to be the Chessmaster trope. But just to make sure you undestand. The chessmaster trope is not a literal chessmaster. I means a character who has super elaborate plans that rarely fail.

[@lostcinema5189]

My theory is that Littlefinger is the trur hero of the story. He wants to destroy monarchie.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Do you think he has a role in end game governance to play?

[@lostcinema5189]

@@randominternetguyoffical sorry for the late answer. My theory is a bit of wishful thinking. It can be true, I hope ;-) but even if it is true he will get killed because doing bad things even for a good cause is not justified. I think he convicted Joffrey to execute Ned

[@aadithapa4228]

keep up the hard work bro. very interested in your vids. can u please talk about if jon snow will get revived in winds of winter?

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I do plan to do something on Jon's parentage and the true heir to winterfell possibilities in the stark fam, so expect me to hit it up in the future!

[@filbertrocko]

little finger spoke to ned while he was in the black cells !!!

[@dennisyoungblood7752]

Another thing, when The Order of the Green Hand said that Robert "heard" Ned's thoughts...well, yeah. It was in Ned's dream after Robert had died. Of course he heard Ned's thoughts

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Right! Like its his dream XD

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

2:58 Pronounced "Gly-dus"

[@solutanbrun]

”Glim-bo” alt ”Glee-scar”

[@ThatDangerousWolf]

“Pee-tire” I see you too are a man of culture who has listened to the Roy Dotrice audiobooks

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Ive basically only read them on audio so im very familiar with Roy XD

[@Mj_Jetson]

While I do really like Preston's videos, some of his older theories... just aren't great?

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I think there's stuff to be gained from much of his stuff but some of the early ones can be a bit more abstract and I think there's often just room to wiggle into more likely scenarios. This is actually basically what the "Riverlands of the Finger" video is gonna be lol

[@chables74]

If Jon had never heard the story of Bale the Bard, I have a hard time thinking Littlefinger knew it as a kid. Not sure why freefolk legends would’ve been in circulation in the Vale/Riverlands.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Yeah it's a little bit of a stretch right??

[@alexnunn2161]

1:44 it should be stated that The Order of The Green Hand think that literally everyone besides the valyrions and the first men are agents of the great other, so that one should be taken with a grain of salt

[@kazekagekid]

I really like the idea of Littlefinger being connected to magic since Varys and the Maesters are so anti-magic.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

It's an interesting thought. I just don't see any connections myself there. And i'm even a little bit skeptical about the nature of magic being well "magic" 🤔

[@mrsnulch]

It’s good to see you refute some of these hail Mary, Occams-razor-defying theories lol. Like could Joffery have chopped off Ned Stark’s head because Littlefinger is a skin changing warg who made a deal with a dark god and went into Joff’s mind to manipulate his thoughts in order to start a war? Sure. But there’s no evidence for this in the text or show, not even subtle thematic clues. It’s safe to say Joff did that because he’s a power-tripping psychopath who didn’t like Ned.

[@phillynott6811]

Arbitrary algorithm comment fact "The largest known living organism is an aspen grove"

[@jaredbrady5566]

While I enjoy listening to their stuff, and they are do unearth some interesting things. The main issue I have with Preston and OotGH is the fact that they make tinfoil assumptions early in their theories, but then use those assumptions as evidence later on to support other stuff. Yet when you take those original tinfoil assumptions out, it's like a house of cards.

[@jobowisheshewasnomo4171]

I don't think little finger's motivations are magical, in my opinion they don't have to be. little finger is interesting enough already, from the moment he arrived on stage he's been involved in some way in every major political conflict in Westeros and has wormed his way into the most powerful court in Westeros, from a pretty shit family to master of coin. I don't see what Preston is seeing.

[@brodex4295]

This is good. You made me fall asleep! You have gained a sub

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Very glad you liked the video! I take it you also kick on youtube before bed? lol

[@dushyanthetta4035]

I can see Littlefinger contemptuously ridiculing people suspecting him of having magical powers because his manipulations work so smoothly. Something something about how fools would rather ascribe to magic what they're unable to comprehend.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I think that would be very in character! And I could easily see him using a line like that.

[@Chefkejr]

If it's of any concelation: I think your voice is pretty cool

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Thank you, that actually does boost the ego some =)

[@osseelite156]

Varys > Littlefinger. Only time varys let emotions through was with whoever made him an eunuch

[@dislikebutton8789]

Great video man! Keep it up:)

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Thank you!

[@nikagogibedashvili6476]

The best theory about LF is regarding his past, not future. Littlefinger has effectively started Robert's rebellion. I 100% believe it to be true. Brandon should have somehow gotten the idea that Rhaegar abducted Lyanna. LF should have somehow gotten the idea that Chaos is a ladder. Solution to both of this topics is that LF lied to Brandon about Rhaegar abducting Lyanna. As a result of which he did climb the ladder quite a lot.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

im a little confused, are you saying you think LF did the kidnapping?

[@nikagogibedashvili6476]

@@randominternetguyoffical nope, there was no kidnapping. Rhaegar and Lyanna just ran off together. Serious offense in a feudalistic world, yes, but has Brandon known that Lyanna has gone willingly, I doubt that he would rush to King's Landing and demand Crown Prince's head. And he and Rickard would not have gotten burnt by Aerys. So theory basically suggests, that Brandon left Riverrun to seek LF who impregnated Lisa after fighting a duel with Brandon for Cat. Brandon caught LF somewhere near Inn at the crossroad. LF has seen R+L travelling together before and lied about Rhaegar kidnapping Lyanna just to save his skin. The lie ultimately led to a full-fledged rebellion as a result of which LF who was nobody has become a Custom's officer at Gulltown and finally Master of Coin. More details are available at In Deep Geek video: "Robert's rebellion was built on a lie. Who's lie?" You should check that out, amazing staff.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@nikagogibedashvili6476 ahhh, okay, hat is interesting. Tbh, I wondered on if there was any possibility or evidence of this when I started making the video... this may appear in one of the upcoming parts.

[@taylorgayhart9497]

8:45 you could say that about any of their theories lol

[@randominternetguyoffical]

That is typically kind of a problem with their stuff I will say lol

[@nfinitsovern714]

Other people may have a "cooler" voice than you, but your voice is much less annoying than theirs, trust me. Your voice is much easier on the ears than theirs and I vastly prefer it over the clips you played.

[@EldenLord1142]

He is literally a kid name finger

[@randominternetguyoffical]

First time I heard this I didnt get it, looked it up and was like, oh god im dumb XD But yes true, he is the Kid Named Finger!

[@dennisyoungblood7752]

I have to say this, the whole "the only way to go on a ladder is up" is a really cool line from Alt Shift X, but it's wrong. You can also climb down a ladder

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Begs the question of if chaos really is something as orderly and lininer as a ladder 🪜

[@dennisyoungblood7752]

@@randominternetguyoffical hahaha, I never even thought about that. Maybe that's why Littlefinger said it, because he isn't really into chaos? Maybe you've hit the nail on the head with these videos

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@dennisyoungblood7752 I mean basically that's the conclusion. Chaos is a ruse to confuse people and distract them from his carefully complicated agenda 🧐

[@dennisyoungblood7752]

@@randominternetguyoffical yeah, I've watched all your "Chaos is a Ladder" videos and always thought they were good content. But when you said that about the ladder being linear, I was like "hole-ey shit, I think he's right" lol

[@Nosyboy_huh]

Little Finger is actually Euron pretending to be Bran

[@randominternetguyoffical]

It is known

[@Nosyboy_huh]

@@randominternetguyofficalEuron has brown hair and guess who also has brown hair? Petyr, it’s all fitting together

[@kekero540]

I think littlefinger was quite innocent and sweet as a child and became overly cynical by what happened with Lysa. I think he wants to humiliate feudalism and the nobility themselves. He is everything Tyrion thinks he is. An underdog.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I agree with the first part to an extent... He certainly was a child with dreams of love but he let those become quite weird and possessive and to the point where they took away a bit of the agency of the female characters he was pining after in spite of those people being, you know.. people.. with agency and lives, who are also subjects of feudalism and whos agency is also threated by it.. and also you know children as petyr was. I'm always very perplexed though when people try to present him as an agent against feudalism when he never has any real opinions on that and certainly utilizes the structure of feudalism to his own benefit and never really tries to become some kind of anti-system revolutionary or reformist in any way. I might actually make a video on this topic because the idea that hes some sort of anti feudalistic or anti systemic figure is one that I've heard a few times now. The "Marxist Finger" theory.. or maybe Marxist-Petyrism 😂

[@kekero540]

@@randominternetguyoffical I don’t believe he is a legitimate “man of the people” but I do believe his ideas of revenge go a lot more broadly than just Hoster and the Starks. If he wanted revenge on House Tully specifically he sure took his time to do so and was way over prepared, I think the revenge against House Tully was something Lysa asked Peter to do in exchange for killing Jon Arryn. He takes advantage of the nobility by using their hypocrisy, laziness, and corruption. He is a very competent administrator while the “wardens” of the realm are wasteful to an absurd degree. He takes advantage of the nobilities moral claims as well through his many brothels and places of general moral depravity. He takes advantage of Neds moral code as well because Ned doesn’t really care about peasants, like at all. He doesn’t care about the lives that would be ruined by the war he would cause. all he cares about is upholding the system he sits at the top of. At least from littlefingers prospective. I also believe he particularly despises Tyrion, not just because Tyrion is on to him, but because Tyrion is probably the most privileged dwarf in human history. Tyrion is handed near limitless resources and connections and what does he do? Seeks petty vengeance against Cersei, and to top it all off he probably knows Tyrion thinks of himself as the clever underdog but he’s clearly not. He’s an ugly dwarf yes, but he was born on mountain of gold and apart of one of the most powerful families in Westerosi history. And littlefinger just hates him for that as well. All these warlords pretending to be righteous and noble, he doesn’t want to build but tear down the system. To top it all off he wants harrenhal. The only seat where the peasants have straight up killed their entire noble family on multiple occasions.

[@kekero540]

I also would not peg him as marxist. He’s definitely a moral nihilist as he also shows no concern for the peasantry whatsoever but also makes no pretense that he has ever cared for them. But he hates the hypocrisy of it all how everyone acts like they’re better than him. So he decided morality is hogwash and that he wanted to make a fool out of everyone who thought little of him.

[@nateosborne7361]

I think it’s glide us

[@thefoxfux5509]

Can you talk about "Robb Stark beinf Brandon's son instead of Ned"

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I can take a look at it for sure, i do want to do a dive into who the real heir to winterfell is and Robbs parentage plays in heavy to that

[@Slechy_Lesh]

The images are a bit too much. I keep being tempted to look because many of them are awesome - art of asoiaf, sometimes that I haven't seen. But not ice-cream or baseball or metazuck. Thankyou. Also I have to say that though I'm very picky about voices, your own is perfectly acceptable.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I'm still kinda learning my style as it were in teh editor, so in the series I kinda transition away from the rapid blasts of stuff. tho i do like the effect of a bit of video play for some of the parts some im still kinda finding the right mix. I do love including the art tho for just that reason of i havent seen it and its often so impessive i just want to show it to people. Glad you liked the speaking tho, i get all kinds of weird about my voice lmao

[@saminator3563]

What about in the extended edition of ASOIAF there are some side notes that are cannon when you click on these crowns. One says Littlefinger has a secret influence on Joff. No context or more details. Is he just whispering in his ear to give him ideas? Or in his dreams?I think its intentionally vague. Where did Joff get the idea 'Kings act boldly"? Cerci just assumes Robert for a quick answer for Twyin

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Id say hes whispering in his ear, we see him do it once at least with the Dwarf jousters, but like also seems likely hes the one who got Joff to think a "king" would chop Neds head off

[@peanut2764]

What if he's woking with Eurion Grayjoy? I don't have proof, but it's fun

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Would love to see a connection, I feel like Euron is really only workin with Euron but I wonder if their interests will overlap in Winds of Winter??

[@kevinkabali7201]

to be honest, and i do not want to hate on them but i almost always disregard the order of the green hand. they are always way out there, and i think they are what we get when we have to wait decades for new books and think the old theories are not crackpot enough. or they are just clickbait stretched over a whole youtube video.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

After discovering them I've reached the conclusion that they do good surface level analysis but their default that characters like Mel and certain gods are not only real but good faith actors leads them off major cliffs Imo we should no more trust in the gods and magic of ice nd fire as we do in the gods and magic of our world. At least when we do theory talk lol

[@JuanPerez-ru5qt]

I think its much simpler. Peter want to play with people (pieces) like he was played by stark and tully. He grew to love this.He wants chaos because he has nothing of value to him making him in his eyes above the game. Like a shot clock hes much higher than the game. He keeps score and lets everyone run sround like chickens with head cut off. Also most asoiaf book tiltles have dual meaning. Agot is people using politics to win a chair. But also a throne is a type of angels with many wheels with eyes in them like the sun in the opening of agot show but creepy with wings. A dance of dragons is peters manipulation of the crown of westeros in debt to the iron back and lannister they still call the coins gold dragons theres one on the cover..and also 3 dragons are coming back to westeros.

[@faisalkamal4319]

To the iron throne

[@lukacvitkovic8550]

no, GreenHand, Bran being able to enter people is clear evidence he is more powerful than any other warg

[@randominternetguyoffical]

This same kind of idea always bothered me about the idea that holland reed warged arthur dayne... Like he would have to be a more powerful warg than vermier, which I don't think we see anything that suggests that . Its all a bit of a Reach imo...

[@adb4522]

Nice video!

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Thank you, that means a lot, really glad you liked it

[@OvidiuCotrus-yz1ih]

To the sky (hell)

[@dustingaethje1332]

3:35 Idk have you heard Preston's voice? 🤣

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I'm sure he sounds like a cheesey boomer nerd, but I'll be damned if I don't love that mans voice lmao I strive to sound so chad

[@dustingaethje1332]

@@randominternetguyoffical Same

[@realdaggerman105]

Chaos is a ladder right into Sansa’s pants.

[@qhothaherald7705]

Well. This. This. This.

[@dexterop4562]

will jon be visited by the three eyed crow/bran?

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I think Bran already visit(s) Jon. I believe Jon has a wolf dream with Brans face in a talking weirwood in affc or adwd? Eventually I'll probably do a lil series on Jon and his journey

[@rodrigobueno8652]

I think i need to see the lnked videos,but i have never saw littlefinger linked with any kind of prophecy..it sounds a really jump of logics saying a childhood play is a prophecy..i think the fanbase ahs a bad habit of confsing what is a analogy or forshadowing to the reader as in universe theory

[@randominternetguyoffical]

big agree from me on that whole idea

[@matthewschaffer4511]

I think he is playing a long-game of revenge. He wanted Cat. Now I think that, threw Sansa, he wants winterfell as a fuck you to Brandon. That's why he betrays Ned. He wanted his wife and to kill the brother of the man he hated.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I highly doubt winterfell is in the mix but he certainly has shifted attention to Sansa, tho I'd also argue he lost his ability to "love" after the Brandon experience and now does not want Cat. Hence why he never makes an attempt to get at her. You ever read Unsound Variations by GRRM? I cover it in part 4 but check it out if you get the chance.

[@natemccollum3731]

Order of the Greenhand are always grasping at straws… If we assume this and assume that, these two things will prove this other thing that never happened. Little finger is just a really smart guy… and he wouldn’t gamble on prophecy or magics. He likes to have many plans in many spaces. Order of the Greenhand just makes up a whole bunch logical fallacies OVER AND OVER

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Assumptions within assumptions -Ned Stark.. or something like that

[@Katanagateri]

You have a very cool voice :3

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Aww, thank you =)

[@Tyler_W]

I almost see him as a bit of a postmodernist or at least a revolutionary in the genral sense because he'd gladly burn it all down, the good and bad things about the cirrent system in westeros alike if it meant that he would get to be the king of the ashes or get the opportunity to loot the treasury as the kingdom falls apart around him. There is no truth but power and no morality but that which grants you more power to pursue your ambitions. "Chaos is a ladder" doesn't necessarily mean from this perspective that it leads to a location or specific position. Chaos is a ladder in the sense that the game of thrones is nothing but a scramble for more and more power, and the steps of the ladder that rises up to the seat of the Iron Throne are the losers who dip out or die along the way.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Idk that postmodernism would really be something one could associate with Petyr 🤔 Nor do I really see how the word "revolutionary" could be applied to him in pretty much any sense. Tho I have heard this interpretation of Petyr many times over the course of producing this series. Can I ask what does Baelish do that leads to the idea hes trying to deconstruct or fundamentally alter society in any way? Im curious to see how you react to my conclusions about him in later parts as I believe hes one of the most politically detached and self motivated revenge based characters in the series.

[@mixolydia3309]

@@randominternetguyofficalI think the reason people say this may be because Littlefinger sort of represents the rise of the bourgeoisie. Sure he’s a minor noble but his power is almost entirely based on his financial success. His ability to rise in society is exceptional for the time, but it could be a turning point for Westeros eventually since the bourgeoisie in our world originated at the end of the Middle Ages and beginning of the Renaissance. Think of the Medici, who started out as bankers and eventually became de factor rulers of Florence, and then made nobility. It’s not an exact match by any means but these are the vibes I get from Littlefinger.

[@dexterop4562]

bael'ish'...fucking hell😱😱😱😱

[@narisasengein9288]

Is that how you say petyr

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Ive heard Pee-ter, and Pee-tire, but idk which is correct lol

[@robcastleton3359]

Touche' Deutschesak

[@realstateguzmandr248]

Totally agree, little finger has never shown any signs of having magical powers

[@OvidiuCotrus-yz1ih]

Hungary Italy

[@15clank]

Crack pots!

[@kat8559]

This is one of OOTGH's theories that is completely off-base. They are right about N+A=J tho and the fact that all the other channels think R+L=J makes the other channels look basically illiterate by comparison

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I do personally subscribe to N+A=J, but yeah most folks lean R + L = J

[@kahare9565]

⁠@@randominternetguyofficaloh man, I’d love to see you do an analysis of N + A = J since it’s so niche and most seem to not believe it especially after GoT got there.

[@DND_and_Star_wars_enjoyer]

I thing the petyr bealish is a servant/cultist of chaos gods from warhammer fantasy universe (khorne the first chaos god, tzeentch the second chaos god, nurgle the third chaos god, slaanesh the fourth chaos god/goddess) to become deamon prince. If thing about it makes sence becose Petyr's house symbol is mocking bird Which could secretly represent the tzeentch's deamon lords (lords of change) plus Petyr is a master manipulator so Petyr is surely a follower/champion of tzeentch. Also we must forgot that Petyr suduced sancas aunt and almost suduced sansa herself well to be honest Petyr don't enjoy lot of execes becose as he said that he is saving himself for one specific women catelyn later sansa but still i think that slaanesh would choose petyr as her champion. (Technicly we can say that petyr is already halfway to become the everchosen on this world)

[@TheLastSoundNL]

You say there is no evidence of a theory then dismiss the potential dream Ned had you just mentioned. You don't get any closer than that dream to create a theory. If you want more you get established fact, not a theory anymore. Also why isn't he in a lot more dreams or doesn't he control more people? Doesn't he? How do you definitively know he isn't? Key words: that we know about. There are dreams not accounted for. We don't know who is sending them. It could very well be Petyr but better hidden. That only Ned found him out, because knows Robert so well. Somebody is pretending to be Dunk and Egg with Maester Aemon in his dreams in the exact same way. That is probably Marwen and Alleras, with aemon. It was Varys who convinced Ned to renounce his honor, not Petyr in the dream. Petyr just seemed to gloat and mock him and even if he would be kept alive as Varys knew Cersei wanted to, which means Petyr also could have known, Petyr can just make sure he was killed anyway regardless what he did.

[@kemz1969]

Littlefinger says gods are an illusion - only the ladder is real. He's a narcissist.