Chaos Space Marine Model Retrospective - Codex Compliant

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[@dungeonsanddobbers2683]

The Khorne Berserker kit has the distinct honour of being the oldest plastic kit still produced by GW.

[@pill0bug347]

Not anymore

[@christopheraaron1255]

No longer.

[@ROTTERDXM]

"we wanted them to be more evil, more sinister and more powerful" *cries in one wound*

[@JeebleGoose]

I just hope lockdown continues long enough that we can get a new codex, I don't wanna play my friend and his prinaris marines until the, it'll be a slaughter

[@rdv-bd8mm]

@@JeebleGoose you could always ask if they're cool with letting you give your dudes the extra wound while compensating with a 20% point increase on the models (it's around how much the firstborns went up in points)

[@dominicvucic8654]

I thought al marines got 2 wounds

[@rdv-bd8mm]

@@dominicvucic8654 all marines will get two wounds (3 for termies) but that will only come into effect once their 9th edition codex drops.

[@JeebleGoose]

@@rdv-bd8mm ah we've talked about it but there's a little too much grey area with potential rules and datasheet changes that were keeping it how it is. I did pick up the new DG codex as I have dark imperium and know no fear so until the new codex drops ill be flip flopping between Alpha Legion and Death Guard

[@40KTheories]

Snipe, the Dreadnought tail looks nothing like a pea! *SMH* Thanks for having me in this!

[@apocrypha5363]

"Have peas evolved into long, spiky vegetables over the intervening 38,000 years..? *40k Theories music plays* ... no."

[@anoninunen]

Peanut dreadnaught is an iota more cursed

[@jesusisherelookbusy]

Oh look, it’s ‘Horse Head Guy’ from 4:51!

[@theinquisitionsparrot6749]

Big theory: the Yuuzhan Vong from Star Wars made the Tyranids. Big Proof: both are hard to pinpoint with psychic powers, both have biotechnology, and both have a hate boner for life.

[@secretlythevillian8831]

@@theinquisitionsparrot6749 headcannon accepted

[@casper4754]

Word of the day: Treacher Honestly I now want to include in a D&D setting a penal colony called the Treacher's Trench. It's the right level of goofy and alliterative to juxtapose a fantasy gulag.

[@alexvaraderey]

Would the penal colony be run by Trevor Trebuchet? If the prisoners were naughty, would they go on the Treadmill of Trouble?

[@ArbitorIan]

Treacher the Trencher's Tranche

[@casper4754]

​@@alexvaraderey And it's guarded by treants and training troubadours

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Truly Trapped in Treacher's Trench.

[@juangonzalezdiaz7466]

I don’t remember designing those shoulder pads and weapons back at 2002... but I guess it’s totally true possible since warp time shenanigans . Thanks for reminding me and awesome video! Edit: I just realized that this comment got so many replies that even people tried to contact me. I’m very sorry to say I only wrote the previous statement as a joke since Juan Díaz and I happen to share the exact same name. I’m in no way trying to impersonate that Games Workshop employee in any way, shape or form. Once again, I’m terribly sorry if that’s what most people understood since it was only a good-willed joke I made based around a total coincidence. I’m just a guy from Spain and have no relation whatsoever with the person mentioned in the video. I just like 40k and I made a joke that went too far for my own taste without me realizing until now. Apologies once again to anyone that voted or commented and for any inconvenience. Won’t happen again!

[@SnipeandWib]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@honda6353]

Thank you sir for your contribution.

[@flamekaizer8476]

watch out son, he's a legend

[@cole445]

Hey Juan, Thanks for making the best daemon Prince model ever. I WILL eventually find one affordable on Ebay.

[@JagdWehrwolf]

@@cole445 @Juan González Díaz And the most controversial and the best Daemonettes.

[@gordonwiley2006]

Please don't die for the model, Snipe. Who will tell us what the phallic bits look like if you're gone?

[@Le-cp9tr]

I see you, alone, with a lot of horns. Jesus, that’s a lot of horns.

[@Wylf]

A very horny video, you say?

[@vincentmuyo]

By the corpse emperor! D:

[@Archon762]

"And lets not even talk about the Berserkers" At least Berserkers have models, poor Noise Marines

[@ArchArturo]

Can we count the cacophoni units from Horus Heresy?.

[@Archon762]

@@ArchArturo i dont see why not but youd be paying the premium for Forgeworld lol

[@gwivongalois6169]

"Universe. Designed by Michael Perry." Okay.

[@randombencounter263]

I love the paintjob on ol Tentacle Arm. He looks like he's from the Hotline Miami warband.

[@ROTTERDXM]

Man that is such a great idea.

[@adamr6621]

80's synthwave paintsyles are just the best for chaos marines~

[@Ninjat126]

If your Emperor's Children don't look Synthwave, are they even Emperor's Children?

[@adamr6621]

@@Ninjat126 Painted my Slaanesh Marines with a cherry red, black and gold ensemble. My new lot are deffo gonna have some bright teal thrown in~

[@RolandTheJabberwocky]

6:30 it's hard to find a sleeker and more stylish way of saying "Im evil" than a nice pair of big fuck off horns.

[@jean-baptistegaridel8787]

Hey there, I'm the one who painted the 2 dreads with stingers facing forward, there's a spine running along the back of both parts so I strongly believe it was meant to look lika an insect's abdomen, it does make it look menacing 🙂

[@SnipeandWib]

That does sound about right, it wouldn't be the first time old models from GW weren't shown as intended in official photos. You did a fantastic job painting them, btw :)

[@apocrypha5363]

They are not traitors! They are just enlightened, liberated and misunderstood!

[@1IbramGaunt]

HERESY

[@indigodragon78]

Hey guys! I found Magnus's KZbin channel.

[@trek2k409]

Yes yeeeeeeeeeeeees,

[@kabronex9877]

Hello Aaron Dembski-Bowden

[@Cheesemeister379]

Call the Black Templars! Or maybe hes a fallen so in that case the dark angels. Purge the heretic

[@choczynski]

I love the old peanut shaped dreadnoughts. They're so bad.

[@Tinblitz]

Much like the Powerglove (™)?

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

"I love the bad glove, it's so glove."

[@MasterShake9000]

The Chaos backpack started life as a Marine jump pack - specifically, the idea was that marine jump packs were formed by adding a jump pack attachment to the standard back pack. So, if you look at those original csm backpacks, you can see where the inner/lower set of nozzles marks the top of the basic backpack. The extended arms and outer/top nozzles are meant to be the jump pack engines, which is why the arms extend them out so far. You can see that original intent in the artwork at the 0:38 mark, btw. The story is that there was some sort of miscommunication during design - distinct Chaos backpacks hadn’t been created for the new Treacher/Renegade minis, but the product packers or someone else, who were told there’d be new backpacks for them, mistook the new jump packs as being the new Chaos packs and the association stuck. At the 3:35 mark, the one on the right is the original version intended as a jump pack. The left was sculpted after the accident was made and it was decided to use the design as a baroque Chaos equipment, embracing the more organic and spiky look of Chaos. Over time, the packs would lose their actual vent nozzles as everyone assumed that’s what the jet thrusters were anyways, hence why the modern versions tend to have only two rather than the original four.

[@Tsotha]

I always wondered why Chaos space marines had different backpacks than loyalists, my immediate thought was that they were old pre-Heresy designs but looks like that wasn't the case

[@Mman1312]

I'd love a retrospective on the Genestealers in 40k history. As they weren't originally part of the Tyranids it would be interesting to see how they changed over the years

[@Senbei01]

Weirdly, they started off with tentacle faces... which had disappeared by the time they got models. They then went for 20 to 30 years looking like pretty basic stealers, till the newer version of Space Hulk got them a load of Dynamic poses, and the most recent 40k version got them a tentacle head option again. A Nid video could be interesting though. Nids went through a lot of weird design choices over the years, with proto-nids and dominators, Zoats, mind slaves and squig swarms.

[@ThePlasticPilgrim]

Thank you for this gift mum and dad :)

[@really1337]

"Dreadnought!" Funny? Yes. Have I grown tired of it? Not yet.

[@Haloister]

Chaos Space Marines, when you stop doing atrocious things for the survival of mankind, and just start doing it as a hobby on the weekends.

[@davidlloyd3243]

Treacher. Pronounced like treachery, but just drop the y.

[@marcwittkowski5146]

@@tomb4289 well, it's not a synonym. Treachery is the act, treacher is the person.

[@davidlloyd3243]

@@tomb4289 Not really... they're related terms. One is a common noun (by category, not by usage) and the other is an abstract noun.

[@davidlloyd3243]

@@tomb4289 Well, you triggered a grammar nazi... I don't know if that's messing up!

[@MrDracoSpirit]

I now feel the need to use the term treacher in a story somewere lol.

[@fakeman6542]

Also cacophonic has a soft o

[@thelorax355]

I'd love to see a GSC retrospective. Given that the line was fully discontinued for several editions then revived

[@jamesgreen9480]

These guys are directly responsible for me now having a 2nd edition ork army

[@hrzhrz1]

I think H. R. Giger is the word you were searching but didn't find to describe the early CSM aesthetics. Great video, as always, thank you very much!

[@marcraygun6290]

Nice to see you not afraid to not flinch about the controversy surrounding John Carpenters The Thing

[@WGRevival]

A lot of the Naughty Marines are very "of their time". Rest assured the Space Crusade Dreadnought was laughable from the very beginning though.

[@zanar_fm]

Man that transition from 1998 to 2019 went fast. Hard to believe the range really was that static for that long.

[@Delveintohobby]

If CSM had received their 2019 look just a few years earlier, I'd probably be a Chaos player, instead of a Dark Angels player. They're seriously some of my favourite minis from 40k, alongside the new Sisters that came out around the same time

[@yauhenibahdanau8572]

> a Dark Angels player so Chaos player nevertheless, huh?

[@declangallagher1448]

Still the most fun 40k content to watch on KZbin (Sorry Oculus)

[@WarhammerGeek]

Gonna leave you with a funny anecdote to bless your comment reading. When I was first getting into 40k my little sister was around 5ish. She took a liking to the Chaos Marines but had a particularly interesting name for them. They are Space Marine with horns. So to her child brain, they were Horny Marines.

[@josharmstrong8813]

Chaos space marines the product of what happens when you take a regular Space Marine and Drag them by the feet through almost every heavy metal album the 80s and 90s had to offer

[@Khilkhameth]

Tentacle arm guy is named 'Lord Tyrell of Arden' in the Combat Cards, and that character has a few quotes scattered through Realms of Chaos and old Chaos Codex! Something about asking for a planet's daughters as tribute...

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

so... Slaaneshi worshiper then?

[@martincann5052]

@@RipOffProductionsLLC Nah, he'd have asked for their sons and pets as well otherwise.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

@@martincann5052 fair point...

[@AddamsFactory69]

I've been in love with the Space Crusade Chaos Dreadnought since I was a kid, it's one of those designs I still prey GW will use as a basis for a future Chaos kit.. Maybe for the Emperor's Children, maybe another unaligned daemon engine. I can dream, right? Great vid you two 💀💜

[@tomatomodest2487]

That is the best darkwing duck reference I have ever seen

[@scottperkins5038]

I love that Space Crusade dreadnaught.

[@andrewgranger3370]

Looks better than the current dread.

[@jedidls]

I have no idea if this would work but I would absolutely LOVE a thousand sons retrospective, I just think my dusty bois deserve more respect.

[@AsteroidWrangler]

Anyone that asks Snipe to die for Epic scale dreadnoughts can fight me. No dying Snipe! We'd miss you.

[@khan-bm3zz]

That Chaos Dreadnought from Space Crusade unironically looks amazing.

[@Ninjat126]

"I was on a Dornian Heresy kick at the time" Oh lord.

[@CAP198462]

It’s called a “vestigial tail,” snipe. 😏

[@vyanesh6487]

11:10 Woah, I didn’t even know these models existed. Man I wish there was a kit for these, I’d totally pick those up.

[@bobamus1987]

eBay my man. Search dark vengeance chaos. And that should help.

[@noamtepper456]

The wait is finally over, it’s time.

[@ravensroost3224]

I like the old chaos stuff, i hope to make a small warband of them some day. The'll be on space-ship corridor style bases since in my personal headcanon there's a distinction between Chaos Marines and Chaos Renegades, whichis what the old ones were called.

[@mrbearbear83]

I like chaos marines who just look like WHFB chaos knights with a gun and a backpack.

[@SidneyBroadshead]

06:54 *Chibi Chaos Dreadnought* Snipe: "PLEASE ask me to die for them"

[@TheExcessus]

I still remember the reasons they gave for the 2nd edition redesign of the models for the -96 codex (why they look how they look). They gave them a more archaic look to fit with the "they're survivors from the Horus Heresy" that was _very_ present throughout that entire codex. Best chaos codex ever, lots of "remember this thing that the imperials uses? This is how it was 10 000 years earlier". :)

[@BehindThePringles]

Dark Vengeance was such a great value set. The traitor marine sculpts were fantastic - and the Crimson Slaughter Chaos Marines were great too. 😅

[@hoebread7584]

im gonna need a lot more of Wib's Word Corner lmao

[@kiesarisunny13]

That line about the berserkers being old is gonna age amazingly when Codex: World Eaters comes out

[@Fluffykeith]

That original chaos dreadnought is the reason I got into 40k in the first place. It was the early 90s...my D&D Elf ranger had just died in the High School Lunchtime Games Club adventure...and I wandered over to see what the other folks were doing...something involving metal miniatures and dice...I had no idea what was going on but I really wanted to know more about that skull faced thing with the pincer... And I was hooked...

[@Mrkabrat]

Looks like Johnny and his Magazine of Wisdom have found a worthy opponent at last!

[@robbert-janmerk6783]

Damn, the Space Marine video game is already 9 years old!

[@starguy1o163]

my favorite thing about Chaos Space Marines is where you can almost kitbash anything with them and it works.

[@Nobleshield]

While I like the style of the newer CSM, there's something missing from the old style "Chaos Renegades" where they looked like mutated and baroque. IMHO the 2nd edition ones were one of the best, although i think the RT-era Chaos Terminators were amazing. The helmets of the new CSM I think don't look nearly as good as the ones before. And I really miss the old RT-era backpacks, I wish I could find those nowadays. Also props to the ED-209 Chaos Dread.

[@tabletoptrilobite9816]

I’m sorry did I just read AARON DEMBSKI BOWDEN HIMSELF IN YOUR PATRON LIST?

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

He's quite a big fan. He even liked the dino-desk!

[@mannofdober873]

I remember that 3-man monopose box. My first ever 40k kit.

[@godforothchannel4272]

The First Episode of Codex Compliant featuring an Issue of White Dwarf that I actually OWNED!!! I’m feeling so proud!!!!! 🤟

[@zc7372]

You guys should do a model retrospective on the aeldari Phoenix lords, but end the video with something like "so that's the 2nd edition sculpt... also the 9th ed one"

[@isaiahfurrow7414]

The old dread reminds me of the ED-209 or whatever it was called, the robot walker thing in the old Robocop movies... Thanks for the video, and the humor gets you a sub....

[@frederickflores8152]

Got my start in 40k back in 99. Those plastic chaos marines with the molded on heads were the first figs I picked up aside from the metal five man death company at the time and I still have both sets

[@hereonmars]

Dark Vengeance is when I got back into the hobby after being a kid, and those Chosen minis were so difficult for me to paint.

[@imperialfist2304]

Wait.....Khorne Berserkers had previous models? I thought Tzeentch had just made it so Khorne had infantry that’s been in use since the beginning of time.

[@tycondrius23]

surprisingly yes there are even metal berserkers armed only with bolters ! under the World Eaters of Khorne banner

[@JohnMiller-yh2lj]

The funny thing is that I own every model that you shared plus many that you did not, (God I'm old) and they are all in my chaos army at one time or another . But thanks for the trip down memory lane.

[@batman9592]

Space Crusade Chaos Marine backpack. They're also quite massive, esp for old models.

[@Kjellbot]

i've been collecting the old RT renegades on and off for a while now and have a fair few. newer models are certainly superior on a technical level but they've never had a better style. also re: the enormous backpack: i believe that at the time there was some uncertainty as to what a jump pack should look like as there are several pieces of art depicting space marines and chaos marines using their backpack to, well, blast off. some early imperial guard with jump packs also have the exact same kind of unit as the space marines do. that could explain why some marines were drawn without any backpack at all, they were just basic footsloggers. the chaos backpack also has four sets of vents, with one small set that matches the imperial one. makes sense considering that tactical, devastator and assault squads could all be equippe with jump packs. amusingly enough the RT chaos backpack isn't a great physical fit on the model because of its dimensions, with the 2nd edition chaos backpacks being much easier to put on. which is just as well because trying to source plastic bits from thirty-four years ago is a fool's errand.

[@Rob749s]

Can we please talk about Berserkers?! I mean, I can forgive bikes, since they've always been dumb, but Berserkers were once the mainstay of every Chaos army. It's a tragedy how far they have fallen!

[@tammikasvain4982]

I wish they brought back the biomechanical giger stuff.

[@XArctracerX]

I had a rough day and this made it better.. Thank you

[@BennyMcsassy87]

Loved the Dark Wing Duck joke, you wonderfully human.

[@librarianseth5572]

I love the white dwarf dinosaur troops on the cover

[@victormata7665]

Here to say that I was here the day this premiered and only today I undertood the "Let's get traitorous" joke, I feel so dumb

[@dinoduelist2219]

That three man chaos squad was my first chaos experience. I mostly painted nids when i started but after those minis i was a devout heretic since. Still love my bugs but skulls come before biomass

[@Blandco]

I laughed when I saw that...Squat Marine? in the size comparison.

[@Blandco]

(I am not really knowledgeable about 40K I just like these videos.)

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Nah, a Squat Marine would be a very different thing in 40k!

[@justarandomname420]

Just got an Epic scale Imperator Titan, NOS. So want to build it, and yet want to keep it intact on the sprue for posterity's sake. Didn't have to die for it, but, damn, I might die a bit inside if I mess it up. Now for a primaris beaky marine army all painted up in early 90's Technicolor glory! For the Emperor!

[@lucasahumada6913]

I recently ordered the 3rd edition kit off of eBay and I cannot wait for that retro plastic crack to be in my hands

[@wildstard66]

yay more chaos codex compliant content

[@t4washere384]

Aw sweet, it has that rad song that is in both Comic Bakery and Jurassic Park.

[@stormcrowstudio3344]

Brilliant as always, thanks folks

[@vinnycochrane5139]

An excellent and very funny video. Growing up in the 90s, I was mad about the Chaos Marines (I’ve always loved baddies). When I was 5, my birthday present was Space Crusade - yes - the first version with even more unhinged box-art than its successor! I used to marvel at how cool the Chaos Marine looked. What a badass.

[@tea-sus8722]

That blue and silver chaos marine is just MMM

[@BIATEC88]

I'm glad they mentioned space crusade again

[@willnorman-bargo]

It's funny how after the really old chaos space marine models don't look out of place with the current ones.

[@LordoDirections]

I'm excited to say that I have that Mantis Warrior with the two fists who I was supposed not to look at on my desk!

[@animeator]

I really really needed this today and well, it made me smile and so I thank you. I had so many of the 2002 kit... Some 2000pts of just... Dudes.

[@ktinga1]

Why the dislike for 6th edition? That was the one I played the most games in, and I loved it...

[@kayjohnston1132]

Oh my goodness, that's the theme tune that Fireball II had / nicked! Something new ev'ry day.

[@MichaelAlthauser]

I think that late 2nd edition box of plastic chaos marines was my first GW purchase as well. And I definitely had that set of metal marines. And the terminators.

[@stephenwells3679]

Really enjoyed that trip down memory lane. Cheers!

[@kippercsg]

Came here for the DREADNAUGHT! Wasn't disappointed.

[@ej.crusing6130]

If you want a backpack that looks like that old one, Kromlek has one very much inspired by it

[@theautisticguitarist7560]

Ya'll are genuinely the most wholesome nerds on youtube.

[@mrbearbear83]

Watching in 2022. I feel there's some real prognostication in this video.

[@nightfire734]

Such wacky guys. Would love to see another 5 minutes or short vid on random chaos units or typical specialists like terminators/raptors/forgeworld dreadnoughts.

[@UnkleKlumsy1353]

I love the look of pure pride and joy on your face over that darkwing duck joke xD

[@alphariusomegon4432]

Hydra Dominatus brothers! Tis a good day for sneakin!

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

I'd love to see an Emperor's Children range refresh embrace some of these older design elements

[@jacktraveller8290]

loving the darkwing duck references

[@musicplaylists59]

Great video, i love seeing all the old versions of models. I really hope that whoever finally makes some new Khorne minis will actually know the mechanics of running lol, Kharn the betrayer in particular looks like he has literally tripped over something and is about to faceplant

[@Rohkova]

8:01 that set was also my first citadel miniatures I ever got hold of, along with a set of Black Orcs for Warhammer Fantasy and some citadel combat cards. It was from a local toy shop long before I ever stepped foot in an actual Games Workshop. Seeing that box makes me feel really nostalgic.

[@calumdeighton]

I've certainly found the latest edition of Chaos Space Marine models quite likable. Especially as a Night Lords fan, I started collecting them properly and forming a Army when they were released. I do find the mono-posed nature of the models quite repetitive. But my main issue with them, is the basic kit makes them too much like Black Legionnaires! With the icons and other signifiers sculpted onto a fair bit of the kit. I can not use the bits I don't want and kitbash though's bits I do want on my models of course. But it takes away the idea of new Chaos Space Marine Armour, for all the Traitor Legions. And instead goes, here's new Chaos Armour, with the Black Legion Poster boys to show for you! I'd much rather buy a accessory kit for each Legion than have the basic models kit we got. But that's the worst thing I have with the kit. And I still like them. Ave Dominus Nox.

[@L3GHO5T]

4:51 horse head guy I’ve been looking for that model now for years to no avail.