Chaos Tomes Explanation and Tier List - Age of Wonders 4

[@Shinshinvariety]

Couple mistakes: Dragons aren't magic origin and don't get buffed from that (I always mix that up) Chaos Eater does 8+8 damage The random debuffs you can put on enemies are slightly more consistent, but I still think they're terrible. Nobody ever plays Chaos so I don't really know these mechanics by heart, but I figured I'd correct myself for the future.

[@onurcakroglu4134]

Also you have chaos channeling twice in the tier list. I guess S one should be chaso lord?

[@zeusapollo6504]

@@onurcakroglu4134 Told him before. :D

[@halfblood3182]

For everyone u can toggle your Transformations And unit and Enchantments they still apply just not the look like being Is SMALL. U need to go to your casting book and click the eyeball symbol under the effect.

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

2:50 why Chaos isnt as good as it should be. Tier 1 3:20 Tome of Pyromancy 14:49 Tome of the Horde 23:45 Tome of Evolution Tier 2 31:20 Tome of Revelry 37:48 Tome of Mayhem Tier 3 45:37 Tome of the Cleansing Flame 57:12 Tome of Dragons 1:09:34 Tome of the Dreadnought 1:18:00 Tome of Devastation 1:25:25 Tome of Pandemonium Tier 4 1:34:24 Tome of the Demon Gate 1:41:48 Tome of Calamity 1:51:50 Tome of Chaos Channeling Tier 5 1:58:27 Tome of the Chaos Lord ---------------- 2:06:26 Tier list

[@Shinshinvariety]

Okay so two things: One, I ran out of ideas for thumbnails Two, adobe premiere corrupted my file and kept spitting out different errors. I was actually horrified to learn it cut off my original upload, so I took it down and tried to upload it again. Then the second upload... had been cut down to 5 minutes. So I've been trying to spend the last 3+ hours figuring out why adobe premiere has been messing with me. All because I wanted to edit out one segment where I had the hiccups, and redo the ending of the video. I think I've gotten it to work, but now I'm worried reuploading it twice is going to kill the video. I really didn't expect it to be this difficult, and have never had issues like this before.

[@justinknapik3158]

Video looks good, might need to check on the health of the drive if something gets corrupted again

[@SoulRuninFree]

It’s looks great dude I’m happy you were able to get it out happy thanksgiving 🦃 🍽

[@LoneWolf3571]

Honestly, I'm gonna watch the FULL video

[@SoulRuninFree]

@@LoneWolf3571 same

[@earlkoh216]

Dude what are you talking about, it's your best thumbnail yet

[@fazed343]

The chaos eater does 16 damage repeating, the other 8 damage is a random channel of lightning/blight/spirit/frost

[@HobGobMob]

1:32:10 So, how many of you also noticed that Chaos Eater do not 8 but 16 dmg per basic attack? 8 fire + 8 random magic type.

[@Horlianz]

Time to watch it again. This is the full version we all have been waiting for :D

[@ElConquistadordeAmor]

Great video! You do such a great job of staying on topic and being frank and to the point, something other strategy game KZbinrs often fail at. I agree with the entire perspective that you take while doing these critiques. Your videos are really confirming my thoughts as a 1k+ hour player who has a deep understanding of the game. I really think the devs need to do a massive reblalance because of the amount of powercreep there's been, and how that homogenizes viable strategies. That said, I want to layout a couple points you missed: 1) Mass Hysteria's pool of negative status effects don't include every negative effect. I can't even find the list to confirm, but I believe it only includes Insanity, Misfortune, and (I think) Berserk, so it is better than it appears. I do agree it could use a 2-hex radius. The devs really need to update the tooltip on this, because this is way too important to not tell the player. 2) You only alluded to this, but the most important aspect of the Pyre Shrine is that it will make any unit in that city synergize with cleansing flame itself since Faithful units can stand in it. It's a nice stopgap measure to make units that you haven't buffed with Zeal or Faithful from Order tomes work with the Tome of Cleansing Flame. 3) I want to test this to confirm I'm right, but Chaos Eaters do in fact do 16 damage, not 8. It's 8 fire damage, then 8 of another random element. 4) Gremlin Ambushers is the only city spell that you can cast on enemy cities instead of just your own 5) Tome of Evolution is even worse for reasons you didn't mention. The autoresolve AI has a knack for suiciding your evolving units, leading to an endless cycle of repeating autoresolves that needlessly lost the only units you actually care about preserving. What's more of a slap in the face is that the Rapid Evolution Enchantment doesn't affect young dragons since they're tier 3. Also have fun losing your unit veterancy once you evolve.

[@Solus749]

don't get overly attached to units and don't autoresolve unless it is in your favour solves the whole "weak units" issue including evolving units. same with those+mana buildings...the mana regen is there to allow you to contunually throw spells every turn. Something arcane, chaos, nature and shadow can take advantage off in different ways. Remember you are a player the devs play tested this ALOT and probably placed it there for reasons. Ofc multiplayer rush and multiplayer tier 3 18 ball etc that players might try affect this but in the general sence the devs knows better than the players in this case. players tend to min max meta builds and it has been proven that it is a hit/miss tactic. somethimes it works but enough times it just leaves you vulnerable. min max "builds" in rpg's tend to lose to balanced parties to just give one example.

[@notalefty999]

Pandemonium is quite good. Vessel of chaos is a very powerful minor racial transformation, as heavily enchanted units inflict a lot of negative statuses. 30% damage for a fairly easy to satisfy condition if you are using units like battle mages or archers with lots of enchants and repeating attacks is a big damage boost. As for the chaos eater, I don't think its amazing, but it hits a lot harder than you realise. 8 is the fire damage only; it does 16 in total with half being from a random damage source. The random statuses it inflicts on either being attacked or attacking include insanity and stun. Hardly guaranteed, but is a dangerous unit to attack in melee. Maybe it doesnt work very well in PVP, but this is overwhelmingly a single player game and on any difficulty, you can focus on battle mages or archers just fine. There are plenty of enchants that do affect them, being able to add 10 base damage to each repeating attack, though as a practical matter, you probably arent getting high order affinity for supreme magic and the affinities that provide the largest benefits in a reasonable amount of time, so its more like 8 in practice, but that is still pretty strong. A further 5 damage and very high moral can be added from infernal focus, which works particularly well in large battles. You can get frenzy for support and battle mages very easily, soulbinders buffs the damage a further 20% and summons a lot of zombie fodder in bigger battles. With the sheer number of debuffs they can apply and the fact that they get 3 attacks at range, they have the easiest time benefitting from vessels of chaos. With astral attunement and moral from infernal focus, you will crit a huge proportion of the time. I am pretty sure battle mages and supports actually get the largest damage increase from enchants of any unit type.

[@zeusapollo6504]

The only problem i have with the Chaos Eater is its low range of 3, it was perhaps done for consume chaos and chaos rebuke, which require close range. But it sucks regardless to have only 3 range as battlemage unit. The other big issue is its a large size unit, easy to hit by ranged units and it gets 40% more damage by pole arms and giant slayer units. Its usually better to build the other battlemage units, a T2 is usually good enough. If i see necromancer A.I.s i use Pyromancers + several battlemage enchantments, if i see the demon prince A.I. i will use the white which, if i see none of them i will use Evokers or just the plain T1 mystic battlemage unit. This works btw, vs the demon prince, brutal difficulty A.I. and major handicap. When you do less damage, debuffs are even more important. PvP is just about auto-combat grinds vs node guards for map control its a different topic, but i will use battlemages, too in the tactical PvP battles. Chaos Eater there would be suicide, if its a competitive game. Again, because of its large size= easy to hit and damage and low range of 3. It won't work at all and just drains your eco for no good. The entire point of Chaos Eater and meaning to exist is to be sacraficed with Fight for Power.

[@notalefty999]

@@zeusapollo6504 I dont think its amazing, but it is important to understand to tooltip (which granted isnt very clear) and realise its doing double the damage you can see indicated. Regarding the range, I don't really see why they reduced, but I would guess the idea is get into the effective reach of chaos rebuke so even ranged units will have to move in order to attack without being effective. Coupled with melee mage, its not too bad.

[@zeusapollo6504]

@@notalefty999 I understand the tooltip and CE does good damage, i just don't like how vulnerable this unit is and the low range of 3, both Transmutter and the new Trickster T4 are better Battlemages and tanky as hell. Havoc Magic and consume chaos is the only argument to have a CE(other than use Fight for Power), but Havoc Magic can be enchanted on the Transmutter and Accursed Trickster consume chaos sucks not because of the damage it deals, but the positioning, moving into a bad positon to deal damage will never be a good idea in any game. Its a shame, i like the unit model of the CE.

[@deliciousbrownwaifu]

Still learning how to play the game, these are helpful for planning builds I wanna try.

[@Sigmestgi]

Pandemonium is a little underrated I'd say, +30% damage for your race with a really easy condition to meet is great, havoc magic synergizes really well with cleansing flames pureflame staves for condemnation and the list of negatives it can roll includes insanity and berserk, who wouldn't want your backline to inflict that?

[@znail4675]

Yes, there are lots of ways to give debuffs to enemies making looking at the tome in isolation rather strange.

[@zeusapollo6504]

If i go for chaos, its because of Pandemonium, not CEs, but Havoc Magic, Vessels of Chaos and infectious insanity. But this dude keeps talking about the only usless spell Mass Hysteria.

[@znail4675]

@@zeusapollo6504 He does mention that he never plays chaos or have seen anyone else do it, but that does make him rather bad at evaluating these tomes.

[@Zebia100]

I believe the reason that most of the chaos tomes don't have associated province improvements is that before the hero rework tomes unlocked hero skills when you picked them (Example the tier 5 chaos tome had the "Master Hero Skill" Demonic Slaughter: "Summons a random Tier I Fiend whenever this unit kills another unit. There is a small chance a Tier II Fiend will be summoned instead."), chaos was conceptualized as a "personal power" set and so went more in on these skills. However with said hero rework these have been removed and nothing put in to replace them (Why!!!!) as an aside this also explains some of the design decisions of the techs in the tomes, fight for power was arguably better when its tome unlocked the skill Demonic Anthem: "While this unit is the army leader, friendly non-Fiend and non-Hero units in the army transform into Tier I Fiends upon death in battle. They have a small chance of transforming into Tier II Fiends instead." that let you turn the cheap units you lost in battle (possibly via blowing them up yourself) into fodder for it (note it says transformed, not summoned so you kept the "new" fiend if it survived)

[@znail4675]

Yes, I think all the tomes that now have nothing used to have some hero skill before and removing them really needs to be looked at for balance. Easy solution would actually be to just put them back as while there are not another way to get those skills so wouldn't it hurt balance if you could also get them this way. This would still nerf these tomes as there are another way to get the skills, but it would make them less bad and open up some other options. But something needs to be done to fix things as just nerfing random tomes without even looking at what effect that have is a bit lazy.

[@sampayne2343]

Thought i'd say this about spawnkin in case people didnt realize, but you can disable the visual effects of racial transformations by clicking the eye icon on the spell under ur active spells, once you've activated it of course.

[@raadalatoer1926]

i rarely comment on yt videos but thank you for making this content and adding chapters

[@Shinshinvariety]

thank you man I really appreciate it

[@vudoga6082]

I've been loving these videos, i mostly play single player, but your Tome guides have really helped me improve. Would love an early game guide, best province improvements, buildings, etc. Also, this might be a bit much, but I would love to see your ideas for different unit builds. Best civilization for each, Tomes, etc. Like for example if I wanted to go Construct build what generally works best for them? I mean, the tomes are obvious, but what form bonuses, which civilization, that kind of thing. Same for like, undead, elenental, fiend, celestial, animal, etc.

[@biowiener7825]

i really like these videos, the order one made me try a high ranged build but ended up spamming pyre templar. was really amazing, especially considering that i kind of "wasted" some tomes to buff my yzephyr archers which i didnt really needed. since i mostly played dark it was such a nice thing to have actual units early on, i used some t1 units even in turn 100+

[@markthemighty3]

You're like my go-to "podcast" youtuber rn lol. I love listening to this while I do other stuff. Keep up the content

[@jagerbudansew4291]

Loving the strategy game content! Ive been all over a lot of the same games and excited for poe2. Keep up your passion for the games you are creating content about and I and many others will ravenously consume it.

[@nash6520]

I think the intent was to use Sacrificial Slaughter on your Balor once it's nearly dead, so it explodes for 75 fire damage and 6 debuffs since it has its death explosion as well.

[@jonatangraversen7623]

Wouldn't work in pvp, players not gonna let him sit on 15 hp

[@igncom1]

Going full demons to pair with one of the pre-made dwarf industrial factions worked really well when I tried it. Industrial's bastions make the frontline that demons otherwise lack in their variety.

[@marcvitelli8694]

I like the idea of making a Salamander Chapter of Marines made out of Pyre Templars. Hardy +2 Def +2 Res. Legion of ZEAL.

[@fazed343]

Wait why is chaos chanelling S and B Tier? KEKW

[@Cythil]

And here I am using spawn kind mainly to make my units small! But I also like my small folk. Be it Gnomes, Halflings, Goblins or Kobolds. Something about the underdog taking up the fight against tall folk I find cool. Edit: And last time I looked one can turn off the effect at least. Proportions can look a bit weird with some forms.

[@KrwawyLeon]

Man tome of evolution is pretty great now. Pick Mystic, it gives you rank up option for astral echoes. If you build some wizard towers you can spam Wyvern Fledglins (which count as magic origin due to being summoned) and upgrade them to Tier 3 wyverns. I has a stack of Tier 3 wyverns before turn 20.

[@arckmage5218]

Lol, you mentioned path of exile 2, as I'm here blasting maps in path of exile 1 and listening to your video.

[@ciscoytube5352]

Great content once again. Thanks for doing these. On average, I listen to them maybe two or three times to get the most out of them.

[@vincenthall7174]

One thing that annoys me about chaos tomes is the lack of fiend synergy, like with plants for nature or undead for shadow. It feels like the fiends were thrown in there but there isn't anything that directly buffs or benefits the fiends.

[@BlackBirdOni]

I'll be honest with you guys: if you want to learn how to play defense and melee builds, you can watch all the 2-hour videos you want. But be warned, this is not an objective tier list. The guy knows how to play a specific playstyle, but he doesn’t fully understand how other units work or the synergies they might have with different tomes. Saying things like "Nobody uses Battle Mages" or "This tome is better than that one in direct comparison" isn’t how this game works. It’s not a simple rock-paper-scissors setup-there are many factors to consider. Just a few examples: Pyre Templars are objectively a strong unit, but they’re a slow T4 melee pikeman with Imperium upkeep. Sometimes, it’s better to use four T1 units to field more armies and clear the map faster. I actually just finished a game using only Sunderers, and guess what? They absolutely crushed Pyre Templars, Shrines, and any other T4 and T5 units. On paper, higher-tier units are stronger, but with the right setup, my Sunderers dealt massive damage from afar-too far for melee units to hit them more than once and out of range of the opponent's ranged attackers. I didn’t even use pure melee units, mages, or supports. Does that mean they’re bad, or that the tomes that buff them are bad? No! They just didn’t provide synergy for my build-simple as that. The thing is, sometimes even one spell or enchantment from a tome can provide critical scaling, even if you don’t use any of the other research from the tome. It’s all about understanding synergies. Truth be told, in the end, you’ll rely on a few key spells that you use over and over, and not most of the others. Another point to note is that tomes are restricted by affinity and overall tome unlocks. This means that if you take the Tome of Cleansing Flame, you might lock yourself out of other tomes that could benefit you more. As for the highly praised Tome of Cleansing Flame, it’s strong for a specific build, but it doesn’t offer much for other builds. In comparison, let’s look at the Tome of the Dragon, which he dismissed as bad. The truth is, it’s extremely flexible and works with many builds-be it melee, ranged, or mage. It offers a transformation with no drawbacks, a good healing spell that can be enhanced for even more healing or a strength buff depending on the Nexus you build, a useful mage ability, and a solid building for knowledge income and a siege project. Another thing he completely dismisses is that, while Order tomes are strong, their development tree-along with Chaos-is very restrictive and doesn’t provide global benefits unless you play specific playstyles. In some map settings, Order is nearly useless. Other affinities, on the other hand, are useful regardless of your playstyle. Sorry to say this, but this "tier list" is very misleading, coming from someone who is biased towards certain builds and tactics and doesn’t fully understand units, synergies and essential game mechanics.

[@Shinshinvariety]

I hear a lot of how dragons aren't OP, cleansing flame isn't OP, etc. but every time I check the MP discord, half the builds are pyre templars + dragon lord, fighting pyre templars + dragon lord.

[@BlackBirdOni]

@Shinshinvariety Well, OK, but you didn’t specify that this is an MP tier list. As you know, MP follows certain rules and restrictions that don’t apply to SP, and for the most part, many players tend to play the "meta" build until someone else comes along with a better one, which then becomes the new meta. That said, using certain builds for specific situations doesn’t make other builds or tomes bad by default. I criticized your lack of explanation and depth because simply saying "no one uses Battle Mages" or "nobody likes to make their race small" are not valid arguments-they’re oversimplifications. Please explain why they’re underused! You’re making two-hour-long videos essentially saying "Green is better than Red," but you’re neglecting core gameplay mechanics that are affected by your tome choices. The truth is, it’s not as simple as bigger being better-synergies and playstyle matter a lot. Anyway, if this is an MP tier list, there’s nothing wrong with that, but you should clarify it. After watching over 6 hours of your videos, I didn’t get that impression. If your content is also aimed at new players, you might want to consider explaining other mechanics and encouraging them to try things out, rather than labeling tomes as bad or useless. In the end, people just want to have fun playing the game. As I mentioned before, I don’t disagree with the strength of your preferred builds or tomes-they’re great in specific builds, but that doesn’t make every other option useless. It’s a far more complex game than that, and simply shrugging off other possibilities does a disservice to the depth of the game. This is an SP game in the first place, so the single-player context should also be considered. By the way, dragons ARE busted 😂

[@wi8231]

​@@BlackBirdOni I have some disagreement as well, but he already stated that it is his opinion & his playstyle and that he dont really play chaos and astral and hate mages in the opening. So yeah, we know this videos is with strong biases. His videos simplify things and help new players understand the game, it is ok. Ofc, experienced players will know that they need to consider the empire tree & tomes-units-culture-traits synergy. I was suprise that this is MP-focused tier list, lots of things was missing: > T1 tome with 6 spells = instant tech up mid game. High tech high reward. Many T1 tomes are underrated. > MP meta will change. Umbral was OP before the nerf, people use cleansing flame to counter it. Pyre templar is good vs warrior rulers but ofc skirmisher & mage/ranged crushed pure templar. Vs golden Golem, Ancestral Warden, pyre templar, anything that has charge resistance, fatal strike > charge. If you come from high/order then Cleansing Flame & Prosperity are really good, but if your affinity is Chaos (or Shadow) then Calamity is the better tome. Yup, it is complicated and you cant really make a good MP tier list without talking about empire tree, synergy, tome path and counter. > Units' stat is just 1 way to look at the unit; think culture, army comp & cost opportunity. You use white witch & transmuter to cc hero & high threat target, stop the enemy from using their primary dmg source & spell casting. Use Iron Golem as a bodyguard for your hero. Use T2 units to clear early wonders & win early siege. Gremlin is cheap & annoying, 25% dmg bonus from flanking ia a lot. Let's just say that these videos are good videos for new players.

[@zeusapollo6504]

Battlemages are too strong in tactical combat vs A.I.s i play vs demon prince brutal difficulty major A.I. advantage, the debuffs they can cause prevent any damage dealt by the A.I.(root, stun, blind etc) There are some good PvP builds, too with them. I am coming from the old AoW PvP era so AoW1+SM. Other than the centaur in Shadow Magic nothing really stood a chance vs melees. AoW4 certainly does better lol

[@09ALPHAROGUE]

Houndmaster has such good synergy with Reavers. Really like going with that combo

[@SquigglyBeasst]

Spawnkin - to each their own! I LOVE making things smaller, and will pick Horde just to do so. Worth taking the tenacious trait to offset the increased number of models?

[@akasunanosasori6385]

Dragon transformation can be insanely strong but you gotta build for it specifically, it sadly isnt one of those super strong generalist tomes.

[@shadowblade5656]

Sorry that the tech issues happened. Gonna watch it again anyway though lol

[@MutatingManiacGarr]

YESSSS I AFFIRM I WANT TO CLAIM MY HAPPINESS YES UNIVERSE PLEASE

[@iptf]

AoW probably needs something similar to Stellaris' custodian team already. Some bunch of guys looking over the old stuff and tinkering with it based on what everyone has learned.

[@27182818284590452354]

To sum up, 9 out of 10 things are "not that good, but not that bad either", so the game is pretty much balanced.

[@lekker2333]

HYPE, just finished the last one. Thanks hash

[@adrienwarad]

are T4-T5 really worth the imperium cost ? when should we get them in army ? and should we spam ? i mean, doesnt it feel better to spam T3 (race) units ? T4-T5 tier list ?

[@TheMagicalPinata]

What are your thoughts on the Pyre Templar? :D

[@wtf2676]

Yay, full video!

[@Bzzzzzz-e2h]

You are getting the Chaos Eaters slightly wrong I believe. They have 8 fire damage + 8 random damage. That's double your estimation. Also they have Chaotic Rebuke which gives enemies more debuffs to feed on. At the end I like the unit design, could maybe use slighly higher values. Or just make all infernal fiends have better negative resists as -4 frost spirit is way too punishing.

[@hasanalaf8073]

Clicked again and gonna leave while it is running, thanks for the content mate

[@auronthegreat]

For the engagement and the chaos!

[@datclown9380]

I'm not sure if you plan on doing more aow4 videos after wrapping up with Astral, but I'd love to see some multiplayer focused builds or just general mp meta discussion. My schedule doesn't really let me watch your streams live but I noticed mp has some differences from sp beyond what you'd expect (mainly having to autoresolve-only barb armies) so I'm curious about how that affects things like build orders and early game exploration/expansion.

[@datclown9380]

Oh also, one more topic that would fit the tier list format would be ranking ancient wonders based on type. I know I love myself the gilded one.

[@noname-229-ll]

What kind of synergy with astral and mystic summoners were you talking about at 1:08:40? I haven't found anything or maybe I'm just blind. Dragons are not magic origin units, are they?

[@earlkoh216]

He is probably refering to the astral empire tree(philosopher soldiers give you knowledge with each veterancy) having strong synergy with mystic summoners.

[@1001airstrikes]

Nice vid! Glad you got the full version out for us. Actually putting in a comment at the end of the video instead of the start. I think Cleansing Flame should be knocked down a tier because if you are focused on Chaos, you probably don't have Zeal. Then again the synergy with Pyromancy is still pretty strong, as are pyre templars, so maybe S+ is still justified I also think Dreadnought should be bumped down a tier for the same reasons, as you said it's only good for constructs, and with a Chaos build you're probably not doing constructs. I like the sound of an early game video. I know I can just watch one of your stream vods, but a dedicated video would probably be more educational. I am also trying to figure out what DLC I should get. I got the dragon one cause dragons, but past that I'm not sure. I'll probably get Reavers cause GUN. I'm leaning against Primal cause most of it seems meh to me, but I also really want the storm tome. Similar story with Eldritch, I am not interested in the theme at all, except Cleansing Flame exists. I'm definitely not buying an entire DLC just for one tome though. Ways of War seems pretty fun with the cultures and tomes so I'll probably get that as well. So I guess a DLC video might be interesting, but since you'll have already talked about the cultures and tomes I'm not sure what else you could cover. Different lord types I guess? EDIT: Yeah covering the different lord types might make an interesting video Note: At the end you had two chaos channeling in the tier list, I think the one in S tier was supposed to be the T5 one

[@Shinshinvariety]

Something to note: Cleansing flame gives faithful to any unit build with it's special building, which ticks the basics right there.

[@1001airstrikes]

@Shinshinvariety oh yup, i missed that. Still s+ then

[@RomanOrpheus]

Well I guess I'll watch the whole thing again. Darn

[@pharoahman475]

I really feel how Pandemonium is let down by Mayhem being so bad. Of the tier 1 and 2 tomes; none really build up a good "Debuff" build. In the sense most Negative Status effects are either designed to make killing enemies easier (So no need to stack) or lack an easy way to actually consitently apply (Doomherald; meanwhile, doesn't have an actual Status Effect spell). Theirs Afflicting Miasma I guess, and Tentacle; but there really isn't much support for stacking debuffs, Mayhem feels like it should have been that; letting you toss a lot of weakness and dots and things designed to hinder them, but the only status effect is has is Misfortune. And because Mayhem doesn't do it; and the only other Tomes that Might aren't Chaos Tomes; you likely are gonna choose to focus on their other Affinities then build explicitly for Pandemonium.

[@TheRevan1337]

We really chaos toming out here

[@olegoleg258]

Well, guess I'll have to make even more comments to boost the algorithm. I'm doing my part!

[@znail4675]

I am going to speak up a little for the poor Evolution Tome as I think you missed the best part of it and that is the healing spell. Not only does it heal an Evolve unit for 36, gives it 20% extra damage, but you also get them back if they die. That makes it a lot easier to keep them alive, actually makes units with Evolve worth getting and it also works for the Young Dragons. Now, that doesn't make it the best strat ever, but at least it makes it playable if you are going down that route. As a side note so don't I like the slither hatchling much as I prefer building racial units in my cities. The Wyvern Fledling does offer a flying unit and that can be useful for scouting or initiating combats while not being terrible, I consider the Elemental summons a better deal, but if it's the only summon you got then it's worth using.

[@ashemar1]

You need to review it once again to battle your inner demons:) Especially Tome of Chaos Channelling which is both: S Tier and B tier in almost consecutive sentences xd while discussing it you say a lot of bad things and only one good- counter burning. Is that something you go for T4 tome? I wouldn’t put it in S…

[@okonkwojones]

Algo engagement on the reupload (that sucks I’m sorry, this must be miserable to put together) I wish that the construct stuff wasn’t from a DLC, because it makes it much less likely they’ll build on some of the concepts in there that are interesting.

[@zeusapollo6504]

Chaos channeling S and B tier? Pandemonium is good for vessel of chaos and especially havoc magic, i feel you do not understand how havoc magic really works. You take it with battle mages that have a repeated attacks so 3 and use spells that reduce status resistance. Something like condem and flash freeze. Havoc causes stuns very often, the negative status effects are limited on this enchantment it does not mean all negative status effects in the entire game will be considered, the list of those negatives is small with havoc magic, thus havoc magic stuns reliably enough, granted you have enough magic based attacks in combat.

[@samueledwards211]

Personally I dont like to summon Balors with the spells, I like the one Balor with empire enhancements using 500 imperium.

[@klodpraisor]

Kitty is being chaos

[@SquigglyBeasst]

Please could you add timestamps for the different tomes to these videos?

[@Shinshinvariety]

yes I can

[@SoulRuninFree]

Yes Chaos my Favorite Affinity. P.S HAPPY THANKSGIVING 🦃🍁 🍽

[@thestaringbarbarian]

Wow! I am very engaged with this video! This comment reflects my engagement, wow!

[@MutatingManiacGarr]

Well i was too busy to watch it first time, so i guess i'm just gonna leave a comment extra for "engagement" or whatever its called

[@erfanalizadehnoohi2845]

Hey there. I see time and time again in your videos saying that farms are not good. Can you explain why having more pop and provinces so inturn making more resources is bad :?

[@Shinshinvariety]

Because you’re getting an extremely small amount of food in the hopes eventually it will give you the resource that you could get anyway

[@wi8231]

Because food has disminishing returns, farm usually produce food. In early game, drafting units and clearing resource notes give you more food than building farms. For mid and late game, you get more provinces from building outposts and conquering cities.

[@wegielek3]

Also, if you build your provinces too fast, your stability is gonna sink

[@Adoffka]

1. C'mon, we'd love to see your kitty, especially talking siamese, they are awesome. 2. Farms are much better than foresters if you at least touch green line.

[@datclown9380]

The original did seem rather short (under 2 hours)

[@jonatangraversen7623]

Im gonna play chaos eaters next

[@jonatangraversen7623]

nvm, i cant make them work at best i can run like 3-6 of them with an army as support, even tho they are melee mages

[@blackleon1708]

Society traits? I want a video on those

[@paxluporum4447]

Comment for the comment gods.

[@alecmarlow1692]

I’ll be honest I stopped watching when he disparaged the gremlin. Those things are nuts. Shadow+chaos build- insane. Low hp, but it’s a 60mana cast who cares. It dies summon more. They are nuts. Free flanking

[@ciscoytube5352]

Running a Gremlin, Mistling, Fairy horde is my fave

[@spacesui-t]

Gremlin is easily the beast t2 summon. Mb even the best t2 dps unit.

[@cz85]

I agree, the 10-10 split damage makes it do a lot more damage than most other comparable skirmishers. It also can be used every turn unlike the inquisitor. The pseudo charge plus turn around effect also provides a lot of utility either for offensive purposes or to save someone by removing the attack arc. It’s also fun to use a defender solo with misfortune and a chaining weapon to solo entire armies, but that’s more of an indulgence.

[@jonatangraversen7623]

But you get it at the same time as tier 3 units so no thanks. I'll take mistling over this thing, or even better inquisitor

[@cavalyn]

They're very poor tbh. They only have a single ranged attack and the flanking aspect is cute but not difficult to achieve just by summong literally any other unit instead. For instance, there are many situations where you are already flanking (due to distracted or positioning) at which point the fact they spin people around does nothing. Plus, they can kill themselves with their phase react, and, as others have said, they're a t2 100 mana (not 60) summon (often taking 2 turns at early game when it's relevant) in a t2 tome. It's outclassed. It's basically a dead unit because you're bringing it out at a tome where everyone else is starting to bring out t3 units.

[@znail4675]

OK, something bothers me with these evaluations. When looking at tomes giving mana income that is looked down on as being useless, but then spells costing a lot of mana is looked down on for costing mana. I think you need to pick if mana matters or not. My guess is that you prefer tomes that gives lower cost spells and due to that don't need extra mana production, but that is not the only way to play.

[@Shinshinvariety]

Mana doesn't REALLY matter until you're late game spamming late game spells at infinite combat casting. People will generally produce LESS mana just to make sure they don't float insane numbers.

[@znail4675]

@@Shinshinvariety But why do you then call spells that cost a bit more bad if mana doesn't matter? I should also point out that I mostly agree with your evaluations, but there is not much point in discussing what you already agree on.

[@wegielek3]

​@znail4675 because it's all about cost-to-effect ratio. If you have a spell that has more mana than average spell of that tier and offers nothing extra in return, it's a bad spell.

[@fernandopuschelaraya6761]

Draconic transformation sinergy with nature tome V

[@cavalyn]

Yeah, but then you might as well just gaia's children for "better" synergy. Draconic is major, so you're losing out on the nutty plant syngery if you take it. Which is a shame.

[@fernandopuschelaraya6761]

@cavalyn yes, but plants hace weakness to fire and fire and pyro templars are meta