New Rogal Dorn and Imperial Fist Legion lore

This week the Warhammer TV did a segment dedicated to Rogal Dorn and the Imperial Fist legion, they went over some things we all know about Dorn and his legion but they also talked about some new stuff
Massive thanks to Shaskais for putting this list together! Please go give him some love!
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[@ChapterMasterValrak]

I am FORTIFYING this comment section!

[@daiyaanparker370]

I AM FORTIFYING THIS REPLY SECTION!

[@hammerofolympia3716]

I am bitter and you are the reason

[@captain8993]

*SIEGE*

[@dole-brentbayalas854]

The best offense is a good defense

[@alpharius5178]

Fortification intensifies !

[@aconcernedcommissar6261]

"one day Dorn shall return and on that day it is said that every imperial defence line shall be fortified even more and somehow turn into a even more unbreakable bastion" imperial fist

[@KillerOrca]

Literally a bastion wall in space. No, it wouldnt work logically, but this is 40k.

[@nickypenn5841]

@@KillerOrca "With respect, Lord Dor- I mean Lord Adornable, you can't fortify an empty space, by building a bastion wall on it. It's an illogical impossibility!" *"Watch me. SIGISMUND, FETCH MY TOOLBOX!"*

[@totallynotalpharius2283]

" I have decided to build a trench line in the asteroid field " - Rogal Dorn *Excited in Krieger*

[@primecoconut4204]

It is confirmed, Rogal Dorn is Lord Adorable and The Emperor's Centuribear. He is my number one favorite Loyalist Primarch

[@larssile]

did you forget what Dorn said to Constantin Valdor? in the book Nemesis (pretty sure at the far end) It went something along the line: Valdor: we are all loyal to the emperor Dorn: The imperial fist are loyal to the emperium. Valdor: They are the same. Dorn: No they are not.

[@totallynotalpharius2283]

They're just the best legion

[@smarthandy2374]

If imperial fists got "too much love" for the emperor they become black templars!

[@nickypenn5841]

_"But Roboute would never do such a thing, no no no no no..."_ *_Laughs in Roboutian Heresy._*

[@Recovey0]

Which came after the Dornian Heresy...

[@nickypenn5841]

@@Recovey0 "Inspired by", not "came after". In Roboutian Heresy, Dorn is still a traitor, who turn his way to Khorne. In Dornian Heresy, Dorn is the arch-traitor, while Guilliman was a separatist renegade, who got stabbed and captured in stasis by loyalist Fulgrim (with the help of the loyalist -Omegon- Alpharius).

[@bryanaa196]

@Cure4Living Oh my G.E., let it go. He didn't even elevated himself as the Emperor.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

"The Ultramarines are heretics" actually putting Mankind above himself is one of the things that makes the emperor so good and the Ultramarines embrace the same ideal.

[@robertnelson9599]

Yeah, but there are certain things that should still be avoided, like how the Alpha Legion acted.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

@@robertnelson9599 well the Alphalegion wants to end Mankind for The Xenos' sake. Thats a big difference.

[@m-man9968]

@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 They want to end the reign of the chaos gods for good, something the Emperor also wants to do. But they are willing to sacrifice Mankind to achieve this goal.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

@@m-man9968 I know for the Xenos' sake

[@felixkrafft4084]

@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 not really, the xenos gave them two options, the emperor and horus die and the chaos wins in the long run or the emperor dies horus wins and destroys humanity and chaos. (theory) The third option that the xenos didnt tell the alpha legion was that they stay loyal the emperor defeats horus and the humanity kills all xenos and the chaos in the galaxy. But yeah without the third option in mind they had to try to defeat the emperor and defeat chaos.

[@TheDefeatedGamer]

Guilliman loving the Imperium more than the Emperor is why he is one of the Emperor’s greatest sons. The value of Guilliman is that he sees the bigger picture. The Imperium of Man was so much more than just the emperor of mankind, something that many legions, both loyal and traitor, seem to forget.

[@youtubevoice1050]

Exactly. Everything the Emperor did was for the Imperium and thus for humanity. Few seem to understand that.

[@smarthandy2374]

I see guilliman's second imperium is growing in numbers... FOR THE GOD EMPEROR! NO PITY NO REMORSE NO FEAR NO GILLYMANS EMPIRE

[@NeroIsNotAmused]

Valrak on the Alpha Legion: "Let's do this by not doing anything" As an alpha legionnaire, never before have I been so offended by something I one hundred percent agree with.

[@HPSquirrelCraft]

Well at least he didn't call you a douchebag! 😂

[@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ]

Ok I see your point but here's a question... are you alpharius?

[@NeroIsNotAmused]

@@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ aren't we all?

[@566467]

Alpha Legion - spread rumours and gossips. Make people fight amongst themselves. Rule through agents. No action. Propaganda legion..

[@KillerOrca]

"And Dorn said "Fight!", and thus, did his sons. And so great was their strength that the mighty primarch did nod, and say "yes, this will do". And it did."

[@legionaireb]

'Ultramarines are more loyal to the Imperium than to the Emperor.' ...and? Sounds like the way Emps would want it to me. Worship the dream, not the dreamer.

[@01oo011]

Every time GW forgets to disable comments I feel like the survivors waiting for the virus bombs to drop.

[@starwars234ful]

Very good, more information about father Dorn! Praise the Emperor!

[@Sceptis]

I totally read this in the TTS voice for Helbrecht... Wah!

[@ricardodemarco3486]

Sceptis although its voice comes from the audiobook Helsreach. Alfabusa just took that high pitch voice into his video because it was the only Helbretch voice sample, being it trully canon or not.

[@deathwatchfanboy6510]

This lore shall be fortified!

[@thalastian_thundercleese]

The terminator project stuff makes sense, given that in Praetorian of Dorn and Solar War it was specifically stated that Dorn's honour guard of termies were wearing Indomitus pattern armour - the only mention of that pattern being used in the HH era as far as I am aware.

[@Recovey0]

Seems rather weird that they’d use subpar armor for such an important position.

[@thalastian_thundercleese]

@@Recovey0 Yeah, I know. Maybe they hadn't yet figured out that it wasn't as good as Tartaros? They would have known it didn't offer the protection of Cataphractii. I guess if they were still testing it out that might make sense.

[@MrDMSir]

The Ultramarines worship the ideals of the Emperor, not the man himself.

[@ltcalvo]

If they did, they would not, at least, allow the religious leaders and the inquisition from stopping humanity from advancing technologically and scientifically, in fact they would encourage technological and scientifical advances

[@dannygelbart6827]

@@ltcalvo Uh, you mean Mechanicus not the Inquisition.

[@Daimon-X]

'We exist to serve.' 'And there is nothing more?' Sigismund shook his head. 'Nothing more.' Blood Angels seeing VII Son - "Uncle Dorn!" YAY! Everybody loved Horus.... Corax HEAVY BREATHING

[@JacobVeith]

"...when your dad comes to pick you up..." Hahahahaha

[@ewanrodger8067]

"Uncle Dorn can we go to Mc Donalds?" "If you behave yourself and heed well the lessons I have to teach you, then yes. We may." "OVERJOYED BLOOD ANGELS NOISES"

[@JacobVeith]

@@ewanrodger8067 there's a fist fight in the place as the children all play king of the mountain.

[@norbertdrage]

At the ten minute mark, just listen to CM Valrak concern trolling over Bobbie’s boys 🤣

[@bbenes6541]

“Primarch-Progenitor, to your glory and the glory of Him on Terra!"

[@Crazyd6666]

FOR DORN!

[@LynxLord1991]

You mean on Terra

[@Quonzer]

"Once upon a time...I WAS ME."

[@Ranger-Cealers]

Dont forget Valrak Dorn also absorbed a fleet of void experts into his own fleet and made specialized units from those fighters once they were turned into space marines

[@magecraft2]

I always love a completely unbiased article about the Imperial Fists, This has made me wonder if Rogal Dorn came back (and not as a Demon Primarch as in a friends RPG game :) ) I doubt he could allow the Imperium to continue with the Emperor as a god as RG has and would take them into a civil war!

[@ScreamingTc]

The Ultramarines lost a huge chunk of their fleet at Calth so the Fists probably reclaimed the top spot.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

And they have the Phalanx which is a lot of fleet power

[@fullgreys0n738]

Even before that die IF fleet was bigger.

[@bryanaa196]

Fleets are measured by Vessels and not personnels. So yeah Dorn's bigger, but let's not put them in competition with the Ultramarines because Dorn and Roboute are so similar to each other.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

@@bryanaa196 Actually if you count the fleet of the 500 World's I'm pretty sure Ultramarines get a pretty large edge over The Firs

[@fullgreys0n738]

@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Its even official lore that the IF have the biggest fleet of all Legions. + Phalanx and atleast one Gloriana Class Battleship. So yeah, no real competition here.

[@LogicIsFail4100]

I love how Rogal was the nice uncle to the blood angles while their real dad was lost buying cigarettes

[@dmeep]

Perturabo was annoyed because Dorn got all the cushy jobs and the iron warriors got all the hard ones. Perturabo had to see his sons die while dorn & imperial fists had icecream and played volleyball on their "conquered" beach planet. Iron within the Souldrinkers aprove of this message

[@SentinelOfTerra]

Imperial truth a lie? HERESY! 😂

[@roflganklol]

Shame they didn’t mention a certain Iron Cage..

[@jakebamford3435]

Teddy they’re censoring it lmao

[@donnerrob6615]

This information is redacted, imperial citizen! Please report to your local inquisitory bureau for execution! The emperor protects =][=

[@johnevans5706]

fake news

[@ANDREALEONE95]

The Iron Cage happened after the Heresy.

[@ShahbazBokhari]

Foul heretic propaganda spotted. Report to the nearest representative of the commissariat for re-education.

[@Wildcat425B]

Dorn needs his moustache to be official.

[@ewanrodger8067]

Blood Angels are still better lol. But seriously, I like the idea that Dorn is basically the cool uncle of the primarchs.

[@BigRed40TECH]

When they bring him back, he must have the mightiest of mustaches.

[@BigRed40TECH]

@Reclusiarch Grimaldus All those who see such a mighty mustache would surely kneel before the might of the Imperium.

[@BigRed40TECH]

@Reclusiarch Grimaldus Better yet. They'd just openly walk out of their own airlocks, and even the Orks would realize any war against the Imperium was pointless. Tyranids would lose their hunger in the face of such a mustache.

[@BigRed40TECH]

​@Reclusiarch Grimaldus Yes, the Silent King would surely assault the Imperium with full ferocity should he know of their secret weapon, IE, the mustache of Rogel Dorn. It's just unpredictable what they'd do overall. It'd be catastrophic though. Almost as catastrophically bad as GW implying the Silent King made the Tyranids.

[@GruwskiTheDogski]

Wait is this a new retcon ? Was the Iron Hands not the ones with the first ever Terminator suits? Gorgon Terminators? And not the only legion until the end that had a final product for the dreadnaught armour itself? Also the sweet legion bias we're all used too. :P... Golden. We all know the Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Salamanders and Dark Angels are now confirmed Heretics by Valrak. :P Remember, remember… The Dauntless Few.

[@aeysop6504]

Fortify Fortify Fortify !!!

[@lepszykomentator]

Siege! Siege! Siege!

[@vincentfox4929]

So guilliman is basically doing what horus always wanted to do.

[@GlamdringandOrcrist]

This Guilliman slander is unacceptable

[@sinister9111]

I believe the emperor himself would put the imperium above his own life, hence we are the most loyal sons of the imperium.

[@trel]

Nice commentary. As a Fist player myself, I've had several debates with my fellow players about the self-sacrificing nature of the Fists in contrast with their unfair reputation as glory hounds. My take on it is "In giving up their lives to serve the Emperor unto and past death, they also willingly give up their chance to earn glory, since all glory is the Emperor's."

[@thewayfarer8849]

"Good job Roboute, but get back to the desk so I can FORTIFY"

[@tylerwilliams417]

Ironic that while I was watching this video I was also painting a squad of Iron Warriors. Iron Within, Iron Without!

[@redfurioso6844]

I think the most important lore detail is that Saturnine pattern Terminator Armour was retired in the late Great Crusade. Anuj Malhotra is the absolute lore beast.

[@alejandrator1]

Great video! Long live the Sons of Dorn!

[@Newgurran]

All the dislikes are from pertuarbo and blueberries

[@Delveintohobby]

So Imperial Fists are ready to throw humanity down the well if daddy says so, HMMMMMM?

[@10thCompanyCaptain]

In some of the horus heresy lore in the novels they do give some indication that Inwit was rather tribal culturally, and that there were horrendous beasts on the surface like the one that mauled Alexis Pollux's brother during the Crimson Fist novella

[@josephwragg6723]

The whole putting fists in braziers has historical/mythological significance where Gnaeus Mucius (a Roman citizen) ruined his right hand in a brazier to show his loyalty to Rome to the Etruscan King, Lars Porsenna in the Wars for Inderpendence (509-499 BC). The king was so impressed by his loyalty, conviction and bravery that he let Mucius go and he was known as Mucius Scaevola (Mucius 'left handed') indicating his now mutilated right hand.

[@ejones5418]

Forward Dorn! Lets purge everything in this glorious space fortress! :D

[@olympusgolemoflight7198]

Rogal Dorn is the best Uncle.

[@banhammer7243]

That remark about Gilliman and "Building his little empire" and possible Heresy? Good grief I gringed so hard at that!

[@iamcaesar6741]

Dorn is literally sitting at the right side of the Emperor keeping vigil; while Guilliman is out in the galaxy fighting their traitor demon prince brothers. There must be a lore in the works why Dorn can not join in the fight.

[@SabreJ]

The image of Dorn in this stern uncle role to the pre Sanguinius Blood Angels. "Stop drinking blood you little shits" "FUCK YOU, YOU'RE NOT MY DAD"

[@fedupN]

There is some retcon and curious assertions being made here! :D

[@hisLoneliness2961]

For Dorn!

[@nickster5207]

Valrak! How dare you post something so important as news of Rogal Dorn, while I am out of the house!

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

That's cool but when do we get new Salamanders lore ?

[@abdullanaser3859]

Here here bruddah, allow me to give you A HUG OF AGGREEMENT

[@arbitersofsanguine2042]

It's nice to know the Blood Angel's and imperial fists had a close bond as I am Blood Angel's but at the same time probably partly because of you a very big fan of imperial fists.

[@tomspear1015]

So are you telling me that Rogal Dorn is my stepdad! *sheds a tear of blood* - Blood Angels Player

[@simonfeil1412]

I'm a BA player of 20+ yrs, also have Crimson Fists (bc Alexis Pollux is the 2nd best space marine ever, 1st place must surely go to Aeonid Thiel)

[@Defileros]

An adorable centurion !

[@AlphaCocoAudio]

Looks like the fist can't hold their strongholds as well as we thought allowing those worlds to be overrun

[@johansmifthelry9307]

So the Imperial Fists put more faith in a corpse, while the Ultramarines put more faith in humanity, and will seek progress over stagnancy... Ultramarines for the win!!

[@mattfreg2771]

When are we taking over the role of poster bois from the smurfs?

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

Already happened

[@NueThunderKing]

Never

[@HPSquirrelCraft]

Wow, big slam on Night Lords out of nowhere!

[@norbertdrage]

Maybe similar environment to what the Inuit (ie. Eskimo) went through..?

[@TheSMC1988]

Thank you so much for this video. Really busted my marbles with the Ultramarines tid bit. Now I really have something to consider. #NewYearNewArmy #GloriousYellowBois

[@Born_Stellar]

Awww yeah I was already painting a bunch of Imperial First terminators.

[@fantomasfantomas6225]

Dorn released in black terminator armor, with BT Heraldry

[@Nygaard2]

9:13 Hear, hear! ...but a “thanks for saving the Imperium of Mankind” every now and again WOULD be nice...

[@Fmone177]

Awesome video!! I learned allot... loved it...

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

Don’t thank me thank Skask on reddit

[@bullbegger2281]

A lot of this new info comes from SoT First Wall book where Captain Rann recounts his youth on Inwit, hence why some of the info here has only just come to light

[@DarkNaifu]

They need to make a movie/game/audiobook about Dorn growing up and adventuring to the dark side of the planet, sort of like what happened in Pitch Black (2000).

[@kinggodzilla_9523]

I always knew the ultra smurfs had something shady about them. At least we can count on the Fists to keep by and guard the Emporer. Still not as awesome as the sons of Sanguinius though haha. But jokes aside it's awesome to get extra supplementary lore like this on the legions

[@Gozkiel]

I sense Dorn's return. And a potential civil war

[@TheCoulsonlax]

This is super cool stuff

[@canis2020]

One thing, that has bothered me for a very long time, is how volitial Dorn was with the news of Horus' betrayal. Dorn is very level headed and thoughtful. Outbursts of emotions were not his forte.

[@patricktomblin1998]

I'd disagree with comparing the people of Inuit to Mongols I'd probably say Eskimo/Inuit but great video I loved it

[@notani3533]

You forgot the part where Rogal Dorn beheaded Horus, last remembrance member, got beheaded just because he pointed out the grim Imperium future with its lies.

[@machinegodthefam6868]

I'm an ultramarines fan and we will do what Is needed to get the job done

[@iamcaesar6741]

The Ultra Marines are holding the line.... against the forces of chaos! You just wait until the Ultra Marines Psychic Awakenings lore comes out... you will see. 😿 You get this round of cool stuff from GW Imperial Fists👏🏼

[@Iserior]

12:50 And until now i was under the impression that all Chapters of Dorn had a thing for "collateral damage". But maybe the definition of compasion and unessecary sacrafice are kept broader here.

[@smegg9676]

Perturabo was willing to sacrifice everything, Dorn did not posessed this toughness and dedication. Perturabo was the better of the two.

[@fullgreys0n738]

In the Short Story Crimson Fist. You could alredy read about the beasts on Inwit...

[@andromedafan]

Well The Hammers of Dorn troll the Ultramarines and there successors for every Codex infraction which is fun. However some of Dorn's boys (Fists Exemplar) did turn on the Imperium and there Black Templar cousins to join the sons of Pertuarbo aka Warsmith Kalkator during the war of the beast.

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

Never heard of them...MOVE ALONG

[@MizantropMan]

Hm, that's contradictory. It was stated that Luna Wolves had the largets contingent of Terminators. Maybe Horus got the mass-produced ones while Dorn took it upon his Legion to test all the prototypes in battle. Edit: Also, that part about Necromunda isn't new, the "xenos" were daemons flowing from an unstable warp gate (that is why the tide of enemies was infinite), so when Dorn blew the gate up, the attackers disappeared.

[@Tommiart]

Oh, so you guys are now the Terminator Armour guys. Is there nothing you won't copy? Oh...and a planet full of Beasts...no no that's fine....just. fine.

[@jamesgarratt9334]

No bias in this lore subject at all...

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

Exactly

[@totallynotalpharius2283]

It's not bias if you just come out and admit it ( points at Temple meme)

[@housetoocrowded7825]

Curious, as a Dorn fan have you discussed ‘The chamber at the end of memory’?

[@drizzt8886]

Imperial Fist would put The Emperor above mankind? Wow way to go against everything his father stood for. Humanity is always first putting The Emperor above them sounds a lot like Lorgar so sounds like theres a good chance Dorn would fall to chaos if it meant saving daddy

[@robertwiacek271]

In defence of Night Lords: is it better to torment one planet or to drown entire system in blood? If you torment a planet, the rest of its system should bend the knee to the Emperor to avoid this fate. If you exterminate entire system, there is nobody left to work for the Imperium. Choose wisely, Valrak. The Emperor will judge us both.

[@alpharius5178]

My favorite legion dislikes my second favorite legion :( I’m sure Alpharius is hurt by this revelation.

[@Elwood288]

Of course the Utramarines aren't the greatest chapter who ever lived. Everyone knows that honor belongs to the Grey Knights.

[@tunguskalumberjack9987]

Elwood288 nice. Incorruptible. Fuck these yellow dorks.

[@funandparty2493]

One day Rogal Dorn will return and his mustache also....

[@totallynotalpharius2283]

" I have not shaved , because this mustache disguises my appearance" - Rogal Dorn " You're like ten feet tall and in Golden yellow armor dude" " It tickles my upper lip"

[@funandparty2493]

@Cure4Living I believe that should be a must option. The Only primarch that can pull a mustache and get away with it. 😁

[@abdullanaser3859]

This is all cool and everything, but where is my SALAMANDAS lore deep dive? Lizard bois need sum luv bruv

[@SanguiniustheGreatAngel]

It’s thanks only to Dorn and his sons that the imperium still exists Siege of Terra War of the Beast Age of Apostasy M41- Black Templar’s save Guiliman from Skarbrans

[@rodac100cook7]

You wrong for starting rumors of heresy between Imperial Fists and Ultramarines. 🤣🤣

[@andrewmarkowski308]

I think the Emperor wouldn't support putting him before the Imperium. Glorious and prosperous Imperium of Mankind was his dream and I think Ultras understood it. Also putting Emperor, beloved by all, before Imperium is close to worshipping him, which we know he strongly disapproved.

[@michaelhowell2326]

If you ever say the Emperor is a villain again, I will flay you alive- starting at the stem. Your first, last and only warning.

[@dannygelbart6827]

"We're here to the end!" Unless your name is Sigismund... The bit about The Emperor riding around the Phalanx doesn't make sense considering his 2 Golden Barges as His flagships.

[@williamamely7038]

I can see Ultramarine players challenge you to battle for declaring them Heretics. Lion El'Jonson is laughing his head off right now, feeling Vindicated from the time many thought he and his Legion were traitors.

[@Duppyman695]

Check out Baldermaut, newish channel for 40k lore!

[@thil2894]

I am late to this comment section, to my eternal shame. MAGIC PAIN GLOVE!!!!

[@Sol_Invictus510]

Sure could use Dorn to help build the wall.

[@hereticairsoft4918]

The ultramarines needed to build a second empire because dorn couldn’t keep the heretic Astartes from planet falling on terra during the HH ;)