Charge and Fight Phase - Mistakes to AVOID and Tips and Tricks in Warhammer 40K 10th Edition

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Let's talk charge and fight phases in Warhammer 40K 10th edition!
Charge Phase core rules - • Charging in Warhammer ...
Fight Phase Core Rules - • Melee Combat in Warham...
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0:00 Intro
1:25 Charge Basics
2:33 Odds of Charges
5:09 Avoiding Overwatch
6:23 Gaining Model Movement Options
9:04 Options When Charging In
12;45 Countering Charges with Terrain
15:08 Tank Shock
16:17 Nuisance Charges
18:27 Resolving Combats
19:40 Who Fights When
21:01 Countering Fights First
23:22 Order of Attack Profiles
24:38 Epic Challenge
26:06 Casualty Removal
28:08 Consolidating for Advantages
33:19 Outro

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@Ironwthin Ай бұрын

Always excited when Auspex talks about tactics

@TheKengerBenger Ай бұрын

👋 Auspex Tactics 👋 (those are spirit fingers)

@jibjibs9401 Ай бұрын

@@TheKengerBengerYou mean sarcasm fingers?

@Kroeghe Ай бұрын

It really hurts when I click on a video like "Mistakes to avoid" and the mistakes mentioned are my entire battle plan.

@sinjmckenzie6170 Ай бұрын

Epic Challenge can come in pretty clutch against Necron wraith / technomancer squads. The technomancer is quite squishy, and getting rid of that 5+ FNP on wraiths makes a big difference. Situational, but given how oppressive wraiths are it's worth keeping in mind.

@kich8672 Ай бұрын

Just remember that during the combat in which you do this, the wraiths keep FNP even if you kill the technomancer. So if lets say I charge with Uthar and 5 Hearthguard, Uthar can kill the Technomancer but the Hearthguard still have to deal with FNP since the effect existed when that unit was chosen to fight. However, if you were to charge them with a second unit, that second unit would not have to deal with FNP. As of this writing: Page 18 of the Rules Commentary, "While this model is leading a unit" Epic Challenge is good, as Precision weapons tend to not be that great at actually killing things and Character melee is often much stronger, but it doesn't really impact the main combat that much until the following turn.

@TheCommunistColin Ай бұрын

@@kich8672 Exactly. All melee combats are said to happen "at the same time", so even if you kill the character with a Precision attack, the rest of your attacks don't benefit from that, because they're going at the same time as those attacks, not after them.

@Elitist1816 Ай бұрын

Just remember that the technomancer retains the 6 toughness of the wraiths from bodyguards even when you target it with precision

@ribbityray5381 28 күн бұрын

@@Elitist1816but precision states you change the attack to be allocated to the character model instead of normal circumstances? I know 40K is really confusing, so I’m likely wrong here.

@Elitist1816 28 күн бұрын

@@ribbityray5381 Precision is a really overthought rule, when I was learning it, it really confused me too. The thing you're looking for in the rule is this: "Each time an attack made with such a weapon successfully wounds an Attached unit" you target the attached unit, and if there is a character, you can choose to place the wounds on that character. The simplest way of thinking about Precision is when assigning damage, if you had Precision on that attack, you can choose to put it on the character or the bodyguard unit. Until you are assigning damage, Precision does nothing.

@maxtracker2904 Ай бұрын

Appreciate how varied the recent content been, Auspex mate 👍 I mean…I would still watch it all anyway but this way it’s easier to justify… 😂

@schaaf9637 Ай бұрын

Auspex talks Tactics, always great.

@DodgethisCZ Ай бұрын

Very usefull video. I would love more like this

@arnekrug939 Ай бұрын

I really appreciate these more general videos.

@netman446 Ай бұрын

Who needs to learn the charge phase when you can shoot them from across the board and be annoying?

@william9557 Ай бұрын

laughs in drukhari 36" charge distance. seriosuly though, raiders ruined my day charging right across the baord into my marines and drumped lileth right into a shooty unit......

@ajemma78 Ай бұрын

@@william9557 My Bladeguard deathball enters the chat...

@greg_mca Ай бұрын

90 30in range S5 pulse rifle shots say hi

@itsmefil2670 Ай бұрын

templars entered the chat

@LordyT34 Ай бұрын

Angron with a potential 34" charge

@StrandsOfFate Ай бұрын

Would love more of the Tactics part of Auspex Tactics! This video was superb.

@edwardguise6440 Ай бұрын

For consolidation, as I understand it the choice of whether to move, and the direction, is "per model", so in the case where a single unit (with it's models in a line perhaps) has 2 models with different "closest enemy units" (one at either end of that line), you can move models into one of those units, but the models at the "other end" of your unit can stay where they are - so long as coherency is also maintained, of course.

@beardhammerwargaming 8 күн бұрын

I hit the like button and was rewarded with a better understanding of fighting my enemies!

@tyhar7493 Ай бұрын

Side note the if the terminators don't kill the deathleaper it activates in the Remaining Combat step and not in the fights first step as it wasn't valid to fight at the start of the fight phase.

@eddieg5988 Ай бұрын

Thank you for the clarification on the consolidation move. Ran into an issue yesterday where a full terminator squad all base a rhino in the charge but then could use their consolidation move to tag another unit. Something seemed off that they could do that but I let it go. Next time I know.

@Tehstampede Ай бұрын

Very informative video! Getting rid of the Initiative stat and separating the assault phase into the "charge" and "fight" phases were two of the worst game design decisions GW ever made. It was definitely something I struggled to wrap my head around when I was getting back into the game in early 9th.

@Internetbutthurt Ай бұрын

Agreed. Then realising they made mistakes they introduced fights first and fights last and made it a complete mess.

@samhunter1205 Ай бұрын

As an old 2nd edition player I have thought about this but I am still not sure if it is good or bad. With initiative I think it is easier to get weird match-ups where key initiative values just match up particularly poorly, so I think initiative is probably harder to balance. With fights first things are more binary though, so I am not sure it is always an improvement.

@McWerp Ай бұрын

The rules for being forced to base are contingent on the move being legal. So its not 'must base, anything that cant base can go anywhere in coherency', its actually the opposite. If you are making a charge move, and can base while maintaining coherency, then you must base. This is important nuance, as it allows you to do a lot of shenanigans with charge movement. Holding one model 12.1" back from your charge target means even if you roll a 12 you can place that model anywhere within 12" that is closer than 12.1" to the charge target. Then you can place your next two models so they are in coherency of that model. Repeat as tight as you want until you place the last model. If that last model needs to be placed into coherency out of base to base with the charge target,, you can do it, even if it started the charge 1.1" away and you rolled a 12. You do still have to get within 1" though.

@ManamindEU Ай бұрын

OMFG thats exactly the vid i was looking for atm :D i love you bro

@usualcatz Ай бұрын

Super useful, thanks for bringing all of these tips together as previously I was only able to pick them one by one from different pro-teams’ channels!

@Kindrin Ай бұрын

I appreciate the theory video. Thank you!

@jordanrogers369 Ай бұрын

Super helpful info! I just got my hands on Custodes and my only experience playing 40k (with the exception of learning initially) is playing T'au. As you can imagine, that means I haven't touched the charge or fight Phase in many moons 😅

@FinxOmally Ай бұрын

Heroic Intervention is also interesting in this area. Have seen Jain Zar gets it for free so can be potentially useful for a role as a deadly guard unit. Stepping in the way of something attempting to come charging in.

@AriousArchaic Ай бұрын

Self move blocking is a smart tactic to gain additional movement distance, super helpfull for my slow deathguard.

@thefloatingcontinent9897 Ай бұрын

As someone just learning, the charge and fight phase is so confusing. I appreciate vids like this

@harrywagstaff6331 Ай бұрын

Being able to move through ruins has always seemed like a super weird rule to me. You already have plenty of terrain types which obscure vision but not make movement too difficult (such as low walls, hills, etc.). Plus it just leads to the gamey ruin wall tricks which you have to do in competitive even though they don't really make sense thematically and just make things a hassle for both players.

@samhunter1205 Ай бұрын

100% agree, it is one of the stupider rules. The idea that infantry can move through a wall but a dreadnought can't is just so daft, and the lack of any terrain that hinders infantry movement in 10th is weird. Yet another reason I don't play this edition.

@randompointlessthing Ай бұрын

Fight phase tip. I almost found myself in trouble the other day. Factor in if you're destroying a vehicle its deadly demise! My Terminators destroyed a seraptek heavy construct, it's deadly demise is D6+2 & managed to wipe most my opponents own unit of immortals and very nearly put the Lion outside of 4". One more model dying would've meant I couldn't have piled the Lion in to Engagement range and fought and could've cost me the objective due to OC.

@invalidcreations Ай бұрын

At 9:50 the terminators wouldn't be able to pile in as it might take the ones on the right out of unit coherency right?

@AriousArchaic Ай бұрын

Epic challenge helps to zone out multiple charges into 1 unit of your own. You can then spend another cp for epic challenge precision or counter offensive to fight next with one of your units

@GeneralJerrard101 Ай бұрын

In my last name my opponent said you can only consolidate if you wiped the enemy unit. I took his word for it since I don't play ever, and it didn't sound as far fetched as the rules concerning terrain. Store owner said that models going through ruins don't count vertical movement as though they had fly in ninth ed.

@noelnovoalorenzo4361 Ай бұрын

Mate u got me on the edge waiting for ork detachament tier list

@shimuni9213 Ай бұрын

He has already done it

@noelnovoalorenzo4361 Ай бұрын

@@shimuni9213 nope he did codex review and units tier list

@DikNancy Ай бұрын

I have attempted to pile-in to an enemy unit next to my charge target to do a little damage and been told I cannot do that as it was not declared as a charge target a few times in recent games. Are you saying not only was I correct in attempting to do so but it would also negate the enemies fight first if they had it!? Is there anywhere I can point to to show them this in no uncertain terms?

@errdee2008 Ай бұрын

Yes you are correct. It's in the Pile In section of rules. Doesn't say anywhere you can only pile in to or consolidate in to unit you charged. You negate fight first, because that unit is not activating - they are not in engagement range of anything. Your unit is activating and this includes making actual melee attacks aswell.

@unasapres Ай бұрын

thank you sir.

@inkwellproductions9139 11 күн бұрын

Shoutout to Grimaldus and his 20-man Primaris Crusader Squad for landing my first ever 12-inch charge against Night Lords last week. Suck it, chaos.

@gh0stkat440 Ай бұрын

Just saved this focus tactic video!

@DecayingSpammer Ай бұрын

Needed info!

@richarddixon1450 Ай бұрын

Question! So, I had Ghazghkull and makari in a unit of meganobz. Got charged by Trajan attached to wardens. They chopped down the meganobz (it was during the waagh so fnp 4+) When the meganobz died. I stopped using fnp on makari and ghaz. But this was during the same fight activation. So my question is. Is that correct? Or did Ghaz and Makari have fnp for the entire wardens activation?

@errdee2008 Ай бұрын

They had FNP for the whole activation. Check "When this model is leading a unit" entry in the Rules Commentary.

@richarddixon1450 Ай бұрын

@@errdee2008 Roger that. Thank you.

@braders790boop Ай бұрын

the thing about attacking models at the end of a line around 9:20. wouldnt this be negated by piling in? the unit of chaos marines in this scenario would easily get the first guy in base contact, then probably the second two guys in the second rank. Maybe only the last guy would be out of range at that point.

@ethanlieske9678 Ай бұрын

It feels like a design issue where there are situations where roiling a 12 inch charge is non-optimal. I have to guess this was an attempt to make charge movement less complicated, which I don't think was accomplished.

@PugglevsPanda Ай бұрын

U been going brazy these last few days auspex

@zi0 Ай бұрын

300K push is real

@petemalysewich6845 Ай бұрын

Are you able to pile into units that weren't the original target of a charge and fight them normally? i.e. charge one unit, staying out of engagement range of another, but piling in models that weren't able to get base to base with the original target. i.e. Avoiding units activating with Fight First

@samhunter1205 Ай бұрын

Yes, that is specifically addressed in this video. It is also a change from 9th edition, where you could only fight units you declared as a charge target in a turn in which you made a charge.

@petemalysewich6845 Ай бұрын

@@samhunter1205 lol..i just had to wait a little longer in the video before posting the comment

@grahamcooke7489 Ай бұрын

Hi, can someone help please? Can tanks attack models within 1 inch on the other side of a wall? Bit odd because they can't move through the wall. But I can't see anything that says they can't do it...

@errdee2008 Ай бұрын

Yes they can.

@Shabowdiadlo Ай бұрын

When it comes to the overwatch part of the charge phase, if a model has torrent do they still have to roll 6s to hit? I played against a tau player and he charged his fire warriors to stall my psychophage, but i used overwatch and his shooting has the torrent keyword, and I don't wanna make a mistake of assumptions and say i don't need to roll that when i should roll

@braedonmcphedran6668 Ай бұрын

For torrent weapons firing overwatch you roll for the number of auto hits as you would normally. No need to roll to hit, just roll number of hits then the wound roll and your opponent will then roll their saves if they get them.

@Shabowdiadlo Ай бұрын

@@braedonmcphedran6668 thanks for the information! Now I know to use torrent to guarantee hit rolls with overwatch

@samuelconder3463 Ай бұрын

Is there a cap on the number of mortals you can deal with tank shock?

@philurbaniak1811 Ай бұрын

(speaking in Ork) there's other phases?

@Bayonet950 Ай бұрын

I have a question for the rules as written WRT the fight phases. An opponent I played against did something rather sneaky. After my fight phase was done, he had a unit that wasn't charged, pile in to my charging unit because they were within 3" and apparently there's nothing that says you can't do that in the core rules. Please clarify this for me as it was a point of contention in the match.

@Cheese1master Ай бұрын

To select a unit to flight, it has to have charged that turn or be within engagement range (1"). So that unit that didn't charge shouldn't have been selected to flight unless it was within 1" of an opposing unit.

@Bayonet950 Ай бұрын

@Cheese1master that's my understanding as well, but he argued that he could pile in since he was within 3" of my unit and after doing so would be within 1" and able to fight, even though that unit was not charged

@carrousel9684 Ай бұрын

Why did he think he was eligible for a pile in move though? For that you first have to be eligible to fight and he would only be eligible to fight if at the start of the fight phase his unit was either within engagement range or had made a charge that turn (and so would be in engagement range anyway). You don’t get a free pile in move just because you’re 3” away. He’s done you there.

@cameronlang6858 Ай бұрын

Yay! Tactics 😊

@thomascurtis889 Ай бұрын

If you consolidate into an enemy unit after fighting. Does that enemy unit then get to fight as its now in combat?

@jasonfry2096 Ай бұрын

Yes

@AsgardMedic Ай бұрын

Jupp, at the end of the fight phase. The rules refer to it as "remaining combats"

@DeathRiderAnt64 Ай бұрын

The fights first bit still doesn't make sense to me, the 'fights first' ability of the deathleaper is activated in the 'fights first' step of the fight phase, so I don't understand how a pile in move negates that advantage?

@errdee2008 Ай бұрын

It's not activated, because for activation, death leaper needs to be either in engagement range, or has made a charge. He has neither of those. So he waits there fo you to activate, pile in, hit you, finish your activation, and then gets to activate (as it's now in engagement range).

@AAw3s0m3 Ай бұрын

Countering Fights First like that feels nasty!

@Dewoy1 Ай бұрын

Question: So when it says "within 12" does that mean exactly 12 from your base to the enemies? Or is a charge succsessful even if you´re half an inch out of, straight to base contact, before pile in?

@ZaberFangAT Ай бұрын

You have to get "within engagement range", which is 1" horizontally and 5" vertically. That's inclusive, so being exactly 12" away means you need to roll an 11 on the charge. That said, if your result means a model can get to base-to-base contact, it has to do so. In this example, rolling a 12 means the model that is 12" away from the enemy has to move directly to the closest model and go base-to-base.

@Dewoy1 Ай бұрын

@@ZaberFangAT Oh cool, that is very helpful to know that the invisible area around the base can be enough to charge something. Thanks!

@jakepeat690 Ай бұрын

@@ZaberFangAT surely to be within 1 inch when you are 12 inches away you'd have to roll a 12? If you were exactly 12 inches away then rolled 11, you'd be exactly 1 inch away not within 1 inch

@ZaberFangAT Ай бұрын

@@jakepeat690 Nope, the rules for measuring distances specifically say that "within" means any distance not more than that amount. 1" is not more than 1", so it's considered to be within 1" for rules purposes.

@ZaberFangAT Ай бұрын

@@Dewoy1 No problem. You still have to be within 12" to declare a charge, so you can't technically make a charge that NEEDS a 12 to succeed, since anything "within 12" would need an 11, unless there's some penalty to your charge roll.

@oinked Ай бұрын

Wait. You said to avoid overwatch you could charge from behind LOS blocking terrain but I thought the overwatch rules stated you can overwatch when an enemy unit starts or ENDS charge move... Meaning you could just overwatch the enemy unit afterwards once they have charged out of the los blocking terrain... Did I get that wrong?!?

@GrapeHate 19 күн бұрын

Help me out with

@DonJuegos Ай бұрын

Is there a rule that states models MUST end in base contact if possible.

@Taphosthewarlock Ай бұрын

3" with a reroll is not 100%. You can roll 1s 4x, unlikely to, but possible. Should also be 99%

@commissarv8454 Ай бұрын

Charge just needs you to end within 1” of the target. So if they are within 3” and the roll a 2” charge, they make the charge.

@andrewjones1170 Ай бұрын

Fire overwatch - the rule states this can be done at the start or end of a charge move. So therefore charging from behind terrain wont actually protect you as it's possible to fire overwatch at the end of the charge, i.e. once the unit has passed through the LoS blocking terrain. Has this been FAQ'd?

@megateddyboy84 Ай бұрын

Do observe however that when units are within engagement range of 1" you are only allowed to fire pistol weapons unless you are a monster or a vehicle. and if they already have moved they must be within within 1"

@CharlieALeigh Ай бұрын

Ly auspex

@brettmal5298 Ай бұрын

As a new player still trying to get all the nuances of the game I still don’t quite understand how the fight phase works for two units that are already in combat ( EG, the turn before they charged and fought but neither squad fully killed the other, and then chose not to “fall back” in the movement phase) without the “fights first” from not being able to charge, does this mean the defending player of that turn has their unit’s fight first now?

@samhunter1205 Ай бұрын

The defending player will get to activate a unit first, but you will still alternate activations. So for example if you have one ongoing combat then yes, the player whose turn it isn't will get to activate first. If you have two ongoing combats though, then the player whose turn it isn't will get to choose which unit to activate, but it will then be the player whose turn it is that gets to activate next.

@brettmal5298 Ай бұрын

@@samhunter1205 very helpful! Thank you very much for helping me out haha

@kromyrthedamned3457 Ай бұрын

Can you move your models through friendly ones in the charge, pile in and consolidate?

@bobbob2564 Ай бұрын

Yesssssssssssss it's not about meta list building!!!

@Trolley_Connoisseur Ай бұрын

So if i charge from behind a wall, can that unit be overwatched?

@errdee2008 Ай бұрын

No. Not even if you charge a Vehicle or Monster, even tho there are some who try to argue against that ruling.

@Trolley_Connoisseur Ай бұрын

@@errdee2008 surely they can shoot in engagement though?

@Viewer41 Ай бұрын

Has anyone ever bumped into Auspex Tactics at a Tournament? I'm wanting to confirm he's a real person that lives in a house, sounds like he's from the UK. Surely someone knows him!!😅

@SmurphofChaos Ай бұрын

watch the recent Mordian Glory video- featuring Auspex Tactics. Apparently they bumped into each other at a tournament and are now friends. I believe that yes, he is from the UK

@AceTaxiaGaming Ай бұрын

Thr sequencing seems wrong. Can't find it in the rules

@FiannaBat Ай бұрын

I appreciate my local stores rules so much, it makes melee much more viable. If 1 guy can make it through to the other side of the wall, anyone directly on the other side is "base to base" with their ally and can fight

@deathwish_bigboss Ай бұрын

Yeah bro, I was playing a small skirmish against my Necron buddy and he was like damn that's a lot of chain fists on your terminators- my plumpy lads get a lot of hate when I charge.

@tyhar7493 Ай бұрын

I'm not a competitive player but I really don't see the issue with 1" wall trick tbh. The game is one of positioning and using a wall for protection or to create a bottleneck seems like legitimate tactic. As long as you've told you opponent that's what you've done and aren't trying to use it as a gotcha I don't see it as a problem.

@woahhbro2906 Ай бұрын

I swear, I've studied more on how to play 40k than my own professional career...

@justinn5357 Ай бұрын

Oh jeez, we've been doing a few of these things incorrectly in our game group. Sheesh.

@codyott1982 Ай бұрын

I haven't watched the video yet. But as a blood angels player, I've spent many many many hours mastering the charge and fight phase. Yet, I'm going to love this video. I may have spent hours, but I got hours more to go if I am to fully master it. I will say that I've gotten really good at positioning myself for easy charges. It's kinda hard to miss a 1" charge. I never need cp reroll.

@brentchatterley9168 Ай бұрын

Epic Challenge is such a broken strat when used on character like Avatar of Khaine or Ghaz.

@BoisegangGaming Ай бұрын

I still think it's stupid that charging models don't move if they fail a charge. Even if it was half distance or only a maximum of 6. Or maybe if it was something only certain units could do. Either way, it's just really, really dumb from a "game feel" perspective.

@graya299 Ай бұрын

Am I the only one noticing the prejudice here against the green skins!

@woahhbro2906 Ай бұрын

So piling into a Fights First enemy negates their Fights First? Huh? I don't get it..

@samhunter1205 Ай бұрын

The unit with fights first is not eligible to activate when their fights first ability would be relevant. You can only be selected to fight if you made a charge move or are within 1' of an enemy. In the example Auspex gave, the unit with fights first did not meet those criteria and so could not be selected, at least until after the unit making the pile in move had done so and resolved attacks.

@woahhbro2906 Ай бұрын

@@samhunter1205 Ah okay, so the unit needs to meet the fight criteria at the beginning of the Fight Phase. Maybe he said Consolidate and not Pile In, which would take part in different times of the fight phase. I probably need to watch it again..

@woahhbro2906 Ай бұрын

@@samhunter1205Okay, I rewatched it. I get it now. The Terminators get Fights First because they charged and the pile in move they do is within their fight turn, so technically they're still resolving their attacks so the Death Leaper cannot interupt them mid-attack. Makes sense now.

@samhunter1205 Ай бұрын

@@woahhbro2906 100% correct. I would note as well, that while some of these tricks (especially the wall trick) are frowned on in some play groups, I think this one is actually important to allow to make the game work properly. Fights first is already extremely powerful in 10th, and disallowing potential counterplay can make fights first.units extremely uninteractive for melee heavy armies like World Eaters.