Charger Parts Cannon DISASTER...Fuel Gauge BROKEN After Pump Replaced? (Part 1)

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2 ай бұрын

This 2013 Dodge Charger V6 has had several major repairs done before 120k miles.
Recently the owner had the Fuel Pump replaced attempting to fix a slightly rough idle....WHY?
After the pump was replaced, the Fuel Gauge has been showing the wrong level, and the Check Engine Light is always ON.
Shop #2 tried to fix the gauge problem, but only made it WORSE!!!
Let's peel back the Parts Cannon onion and follow the data. I have a feeling we might have to open up the tank AGAIN!!
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Enjoy!
Ivan

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@mgherter 2 ай бұрын

Knocking the hose out of the gas can was the most relatable part of this video 😁. Interesting case study!

@JohnnieBravo1 2 ай бұрын

NNNOOOO!!!! Not a solution in Part 2 !! Dammit Ivan!! I want it tonight!!

@Knight_of_NI 2 ай бұрын

21:50 I'm so glad i'm not the only one who has "oh 💩" moments while working on cars! Ivan is a master level diagnostic and repair guy and I respect he doesn't filter suck moments out of his videos. I have "oh 💩" moments just popping the hood! 😂🤦‍♂️😂

@user-jc5qb7dd2b 2 ай бұрын

Ivan , look up TSB 08-152-23 updated fuel pump & connector.Keep up the good work!

@howiej4084 2 ай бұрын

I wonder if they put in the old model pump yet changed the connector for the new style ?.

@Charlie1012000 2 ай бұрын

I appreciate you just don't jump at conclusions and swap wires but really investigate what's up. That is pro level.

@luckyguy600 2 ай бұрын

Ivan is the 'Sherlock Holmes'of bad vehicles! Elementary old chap ... elementary

@scott6809 2 ай бұрын

My yellow lab and I always watch diagnostic videos early Saturday mornings. PHAD and SMA before rest of family wakes up. Great video! you and Eric O. best two KZbinrs IMO.

@MarzNet256 2 ай бұрын

Taking good notes is really key to the troubleshooting process.

@rodneymiddleton9624 2 ай бұрын

I'm sure its a disaster inside the tank. I've been down that road on a Nissan before. Wound up replacing both units with OEM and the problem was solved. You have cousin Pookie rewiring the car also! can't wait to see what you find. Thanks Ivan!

@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT 2 ай бұрын

Another weird case, Ivan! When you mentioned they changed the pump wiring, I went "ho-ho". My guess is the pump they installed had different internal wiring and they tried to make it fit, but botched some of the signal wires in the process. Can't wait for Part 2 - this should be a good one :-)

@hikerJohn 2 ай бұрын

My thought as well. First thing I thought was: is it the correct pump for the car?

@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT 2 ай бұрын

@@hikerJohn Exactly!

@mikeafa1 2 ай бұрын

Even the oem pump has a wiring correction on the updated replacement. I have a 2010 dodge challenger and that was the case when that pump was failing. Evidently, there was an issue with the pump power wires being too close to each other and wanted to space them apart more. If you need, I have the oem replacement paperwork/diagram. Even came with a new connector, but I just swapped the pins around. Was better than chopping the harness like these guys did here.

@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT 2 ай бұрын

@@mikeafa1 Seems like a good solution!

@KaldekBoch 2 ай бұрын

I've developed a circuit board designed specifically to fix saddle tank fuel inaccuracy on older Mitsubishi cars. This video hits home! Mitsubishi ran their sensors in *SERIES* which was insane. They did this purely so they could use the same fuel gauge on all the cars whether AWD or FWD. And of course the senders are not the same; one has a longer range of travel than the other. This is pre OBD, which was common on non-US Mitsubishi cars until the mid 2000s!

@anonymuswere 2 ай бұрын

sound like that would explain some of my trouble with my Montero Sport tank, if it has that kind. 'course, the whole vehicle is now at the 'discard" point, so...

@andyvitz 2 ай бұрын

Can't wait to see part two

@titaniumman_22 2 ай бұрын

This is perfect for a single guy on a Friday night! Thanks Ivan! Edit: I’d love to be your neighbor and hang out and have a few beers with you. Thanks Ivan for sharing your knowledge with us! 🇺🇸

@kevinbarry71 2 ай бұрын

Speaking as a married man with a daughter; count yourself lucky

@titaniumman_22 2 ай бұрын

@@kevinbarry71Haha, 😂. The right woman will make your world easy me man! Have a great weekend!

@kevinbarry71 2 ай бұрын

@@titaniumman_22 make no mistake; I have a wonderful wife and I'm lucky to have her. Nevertheless…

@LesReeves 2 ай бұрын

The saying is happy wife happy life I prefer NO wife GREAT life ( had one once it was like a Chevy Cruise always something wrong with it.🤣).

@titaniumman_22 2 ай бұрын

@@kevinbarry71 I hear that, I have an awesome wife too and I wouldn’t trade her for a new truck! 😂

@stevesmith2214 2 ай бұрын

Very similar set up to 90's BMW's with a saddle type fuel tank and they always having issues with the petrol gauge! Lo oking forward to seeing what the inside of the tank shows.

@Garth2011 2 ай бұрын

Never had these problems with the GM mechanical fuel pumps mounted on the engine !!

@JackS425 2 ай бұрын

Yeah because the duel tanks systems on GMs never ever fail....

@johnmitchell2741 2 ай бұрын

Having fuel tank access under the rear seat is so convenient

@sandracunningham2689 2 ай бұрын

Oh no it ended ,I am ready for part 2.

@thereissomecoolstuff 2 ай бұрын

Definitely. It’s a mopar. It will be back.

@mikeafa1 2 ай бұрын

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 2 ай бұрын

Ah that makes sense! How did your pump fail? At what mileage?

@mikeafa1 2 ай бұрын

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnosticsI would say that it was @115,000 miles. The pump was still working fine but the fuel level sender was worn away at the electrical sweeper contacts. Or at least very loose, not contacting firmly. In addition to that I have to have the instrument cluster repaired by United Radio in Syracuse NY because that was faulty as well. Some kind of electrical components were burned up or failing?? This didn't report to a BCM module like the 2013 and up models as I see in your video. Lastly, as a preventative measure I also replaced the passenger side fuel module and it was the same issue and amount of wear, so for about $800 bucks and with oem parts I have peace of mind and it has been trouble free for a couple years now. Good stuff!

@roxanneabbott8424 2 ай бұрын

Can't wait to see part 2 Ivan!!

@alrifainidal 2 ай бұрын

Can't wait for Part 2 - this should be a good one

@comingundone27 2 ай бұрын

Last chrysler 300 I did a fuel pump on. Wether it was dealer or aftermarket fuel pump, they gave a new harness to wire in. I was told they had issues burning terminals

@ricjones3654 2 ай бұрын

Hell of a cliffhanger

@topher8634 2 ай бұрын

"Whoops, dont do that"😂

@michaelpowers4731 2 ай бұрын

Isn’t there a redesign for the charger fuel pumps to move the ground side of the pump away from the power side because they were having problems with the ground side melting at the connector

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 2 ай бұрын

This is interesting! That sounds like a good explanation to the findings so far! 😊

@palmerjames29 2 ай бұрын

The one pumps overheats the connector so they move the power and ground to the pump

@Flowtester1 2 ай бұрын

oh left us hanging. Thats the oldest trick in the book. Now i got to come back and watch part 2.

@mattbrown5511 2 ай бұрын

Fascinating. In suspense for Part 2.

@weldingjunkie 2 ай бұрын

Can’t wait to see this one, tech error I’m thinking. This is a good one Ivan

@BigEightiesNewWave 2 ай бұрын

"Rewired something in tank" 👩‍🚒🔥

@somerandomguy3868 2 ай бұрын

You got a good one, I'm thinking no parts required

@jgeorges3061 2 ай бұрын

IVAN, You rock sir thanks for sharing ur approach and information AWESOME as always can not get enough enjoyment /learning from ur videos. cheeeers from Ontario Canada

@KaldekBoch 2 ай бұрын

Those level sender signals just looks like the ECU has a voltage divider. 12 volt feed but the sense pin in the ECU uses a voltage divider circuit which caps the voltage seen at 5 volts even if there is (almost) no resistance from the sender. Somethling like 180 ohms as the fixed resistor in the ECU would do it if the sender also topped out at 180 ohms, but your fixed resistor value is always based off the resistance range of the sender.

@yohannwilkerson6058 2 ай бұрын

I think I'd be testing with a couple of potentiometers to confirm the harness-to-the-gauge wiring.

@vg3430 2 ай бұрын

Ivan, if you’re going to do your intro outside, please use a mic muff..thanks from all of us. Keep up the great content!

@adamtrombino106 2 ай бұрын

Shot in the dark here, but I don't understand how that pump is even running also. Could it be that the rewired pump is spinning backwards, cavitating, but the crossover pump is enough to keep the car alive and draw some fuel from the otherside of the tank? The BCM and ICM do dumb down real world fuel levels to avoid the gauge from bouncing around like an 80s GM and do update only periodically while on long trips. KOEO will reset real world levels, and that sometimes can shock a driver who thought they had XYZ fuel in the tank, shut the car off, then upon a restart finds they have less! My 09 Challenger does this and Ma Mopar says it's normal...

@dustcommander100 2 ай бұрын

That's quite a circuit! I think I remember a BMW with 2 sensors in the tank, too. Back in the mid 90's I helped a friend with a Jeep Cherokee. He has replaced the fuel pump assy, and the gauge worked backwards! I checked it out and a new pump assy fixed the problem. I wouldn't count on either sending unit being OK on this one. Looking fwd to part 2!

@LesReeves 2 ай бұрын

My first thought was reversed wiring & when you showed the wiring & two were crossed I would have thought you would switch them & see if that fixed the problem I will find out in part two if I was right. Cheers.

@ChrisWilliams-pu8pj 2 ай бұрын

Great detective work!

@user-kr2hf4ty9g 2 ай бұрын

Think this is the first charger Ivan’s ever worked on that we’ve seen

@aranhaydar9195 2 ай бұрын

In the AES wave kit there's a variable resistor, i always use that to see if the gauge responds to full/empty signals. While also looking at the scanner ofcourse 🙃 I connect it to the connector that plugs into the sending unit.

@deetee3153 2 ай бұрын

Oh man...part 2 😊

@palmerjames29 2 ай бұрын

One way to know for a fact is the size of the wire the pump has more load so the wire is bigger so you know those are in the correct place

@peterneal7160 2 ай бұрын

I had to replace the Fuel Pump on a Charger not that long ago! NOT a Genuine part and comes with a wiring diagram showing those 2 wires connect at different spots as you have found! That's why the original wires are connected to different coloured ones!

@michelbrown1060 2 ай бұрын

Not too long ago, we had mechanical fuel pump on engine, a level float in the tank and a gauge with 1 hot wire and a ground plus lightning for dark environement . . 😐

@abitofeverything1234 2 ай бұрын

me waiting for part 2. Thanks.

@albaker2938 2 ай бұрын

21:50 uh-oh. Ivan said a swear word. Get ready for the cancel threats😂😂😂

@Silent-Lucidity 2 ай бұрын

How is it that Ivan has better cliff hangers than most TV shows?

@SHSPVR 2 ай бұрын

Hey Ivan this a common problem they tend to use newer pumps on older vehicles which don't have the same plug they do the samething with fan blower motors too in stade of keeping original plug design they upgraded to a newer design with a more modern up-to-date vehicles with the new harnessed pig tail

@celllo6234 15 күн бұрын

Nice info. Love how you’re thinking out loud and showing the step by step process. I got question if you can answer. I installed a fuel pump exactly like this on my wife’s 2010 charger. I had to reorder the wires. They are in the exact order that you’re showing them to be in at 13:38. Is that the correct order? The fuel pump works and the car is running fine and the check engine light is gone now but the needle moves all over the place. I was confused by the order of those two small blue/white wires. On my first attempt, the needle was going back to E and staying there as if it wasn’t reading at all. I swapped the two blue/white wires around and now the needle goes anywhere from half a tank to 3/4 full or full then back to half. Would you wager that the wiring may still be incorrect or could it be something with the cluster?

@TheOnespeedbiker 2 ай бұрын

This is just a knee jerk reaction, but I'm thinking the BCM sends a signal to the fuel gauge that averages voltages from the two sensing units. If the voltage never changes on one sensor (due to mis-wiring or a stuck sensor) it would result in the fuel guage only moving from full to half full.

@Bekim8310 2 ай бұрын

hey Ivan. I got those same black spigots for those gas containers. They are so much better than the original ones that come with it.

@major__kong 2 ай бұрын

My cans are old enough to have the simpler "no splash" design. All I needed to fix my cans was a true vent. Amazon sells those for a dime a dozen, and all you have to do is drill a 1/2" hole on the other side of the can and pop them in.

@mikechiodetti4482 2 ай бұрын

On to part 2.

@russellhltn1396 2 ай бұрын

Part canon or butcher shop? I guess we'll find out in part 2!

@RussellBooth1977 2 ай бұрын

The fuel level float gets stuck in my Holden Commodore sometimes & I don't worry about it because it frees itself up after I drive it. It tends to happen if I don't drive the car very much & I only add half a tank of fuel per fortnight to bring it Up to the full mark,it will free itself up but !

@howiej4084 2 ай бұрын

Resistor carbon track on sender unit wears away in one spot. Guess how I know...

@willemstreutgers1154 2 ай бұрын

Those "Came;back" tanks often give problems. like on the Volvo XC90

@michaelminauro4180 2 ай бұрын

Good stuff

@harveywalker1560 2 ай бұрын

YOU NEED TO GET A HARBOR FRIGHT HYDRAULIC TABLE CART, after year of working off the floor i wish i had one because now that i am 77 my back and knees are bad from that..

@palmerjames29 2 ай бұрын

after market pumps move the pins due to overheating the connectors

@palmerjames29 2 ай бұрын

The new pumps come with a new wiring order because the old pump. Power and ground were next each other and would burn the connectors and pins

@baxrok2. 2 ай бұрын

California level third world auto repair never disappoints. Thanks Ivan!

@markmalikowski4971 2 ай бұрын

Definitely not your average problem!! I wonder what kind of Chinesium pump problems you're going to find when you open Pandora's box.

@pb3033 2 ай бұрын

Well that's interesting..how a Charger saddleback gas tank works.

@Sandmansa 2 ай бұрын

Paused at 13:14. Replacement fuel pumps on most Chrysler products come with a replacement plug. This is an update to try to fix a potential plug/socket melting issue. After watching the video all the way through, sure enough. Someone didn't read the manual when replacing the connector. smh. The factory connector has both fuel pump power wires next to each other on one side. The replacement connector separates the fuel pump power wires by moving one wire over one pin. This also changes the order of the fuel level sense wires.

@jovangrbic97 2 ай бұрын

eh, seems like the last shop followed these instructions perfectly, and moved the power wires from neighboring to separated by one...

@Sandmansa 2 ай бұрын

@@jovangrbic97 Seems like the last shop to work on that car read just enough to get the car to run. lol. Or maybe it just seemed right to pair the fat wires to each other. Yolo 'ed the rest.

@tomjohnson6036 2 ай бұрын

I just did a pump on a Tahoe and it also came with a replacement pigtail that I had to swap out with the factory.

@Sandmansa 2 ай бұрын

@@tomjohnson6036 Did it change the pinout on the connector? Or was it just a new replacement connector?

@tomjohnson6036 2 ай бұрын

@@Sandmansa It was a new pigtail with a different connector that I had to put on the vehicle. The OEM pigtail/plug wouldn’t fit in the new pump. They were both 4 pin connectors (2 big wires and 2 little), I believe the OEM was a 2x2 and the new one was a flat 4.

@madcitysw 2 ай бұрын

:( I was ready for part 2 lol.

@palmerjames29 2 ай бұрын

After market pumps move the pins because of over heating

@davidgrisco1939 2 ай бұрын

This is a similar fuel saddle tank system on Camaro across the driveshaft. I'll assume Mustang is also likely similar.

@teekay_1 2 ай бұрын

Probably a generic pump installed, the mechanic was clever enough to make it work. And if this was 40 years ago, he'd be a hero because there was no algorithms that would detect that something wasn't quite right.

@palmerjames29 2 ай бұрын

The after market pumps move the pins due to I’ve heating

@lvsqcsl 2 ай бұрын

Well, I would say they rewired that fuel pump because it was aftermarket and the plug was different than the OEM. You said "it just keeps getting worse the more shops it goes to." I hope it gets better now that it is at your shop. I know you are Russian and you don't care about safety, but please be careful with that gasoline. I would hate to see you get barbequed on camera. GREAT VIDEO!

@cullenmiller8170 2 ай бұрын

I wonder if they rewired the fuel pump inside the tank to match the heavier gauge wires on the connector since the connector doesn’t match the wiring diagram? Can’t wait to see what’s behind door number 1. 😂😂

@grahamburns3091 2 ай бұрын

Thought you were more than a little blase’ with all the petrol not to mention the vapour,however we enjoy your vids in England.

@keysautorepair6038 2 ай бұрын

I see you went back to the thinktoolpro a few videos back you said you were going to use a new one is there a reason?

@cenewton3221 2 ай бұрын

Is it only getting a fuel reading from the primary side/sensor, thus not calculating the secondary? Typing this @ the 6:00 mark lol. I'm probably way off, just a shot in the dark.

@andrewdudas5260 2 ай бұрын

Pump comes with updated connector

@palmerjames29 2 ай бұрын

The new pumps move the pins due to over heating

@BigEightiesNewWave 2 ай бұрын

More akin to aircraft with multiple tanks, switches, very complex.

@reese8752 2 ай бұрын

Skinny Black, that’s Ludacris… 🤣

@knowone6214 2 ай бұрын

welcome to computer module Hell Ivan

@jamiepatterson1214 2 ай бұрын

It'll be interesting to see what's discovered. Seems like whoever replaced the connector simply cut off the old connector instead of cutting one wire at a time.

@davidhollfelder9940 2 ай бұрын

As I get older, my reserve fuel tank seems to be getting emptier sooner now.

@E99584 2 ай бұрын

Prob wired wrong when new pump was installed. On some of pumps that come with directions they are also wrong

@fredautos 2 ай бұрын

Sweet

@bills6093 2 ай бұрын

The fuel gauge electronics are impressive. It's neat how it knows when the gauge is not reading properly or when fuel is not transferring properly.. On the other hand, they seem to have overly complicated what used to be a simple and robust system.

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 2 ай бұрын

But the code called out the wrong sending unit 😆

@bills6093 2 ай бұрын

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Maybe the wiring confused it. 🙂

@michaelgleason4791 2 ай бұрын

I don't understand what's so baffling about them wiring it incorrectly. I guess we'll find out next episode.

@anonymuswere 2 ай бұрын

one look at the fact the wiring had been botched like that isn't just a red flag, it's bright neon yellow!

@AP9311 2 ай бұрын

Sorry Ivan, I've been in hiatus on KZbin for a while. On vacation and work was so slammed with jobs after jobs lol. Hahaha you haven't worked on dodge for a while lol. Hahaha i hate those dual pumps. They cause to much trouble if you not careful with rewiring! Nice video Ivan!!

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 2 ай бұрын

Good to hear from you again Josh! 😄

@10100rsn 2 ай бұрын

That wiring makes it look more like a bomb to me. Scary.

@chrism5433 2 ай бұрын

Its good for a tired family guy lol

@BigEightiesNewWave 2 ай бұрын

Need to replace both FLS

@flatdaddio 2 ай бұрын

My goodness. Why do engineers have to overcomplicate things? All people want to do is see how much gas they have.

@BigEightiesNewWave 2 ай бұрын

💣 Couldn't find a cannon, so Ivan is "the bomb" will have to do.

@jrehtil1494 2 ай бұрын

good luck

@ICantBreve 2 ай бұрын

*I love these POS Chrysler vids. Convinces me everytime not to buy one*

@carbie5614 2 ай бұрын

Two tanks hooked in series? What the heck does level 1 and level 2 mean?

@bruceirvine3962 2 ай бұрын

How can the engineers screw up a simple pump and sensor? Complexity for complexity sake??

@nmeofdst8 2 ай бұрын

This might be a dumb question but...why not just Reverse the reversed 2 wires and see if that fixes the problem? Seems like that would be the first logical step and possibly fix it in 5 minutes.