Charger R/T SHORTY HEADERS Review

[@RTLife]

A lot of people look down on the shorty's - I love them. Def a solid mod for what I like doing. Nice job on the review!

[@DonnySRT]

Probably my favorite mod to my car aside from the tune

[@elfiveseven57]

Which tune did you use​@@DonnySRT

[@Kuhladestkyicky]

Same for me. JBA’s have an EO# Californium legal. Bought mine ‘open box’ $400. Not a scratch. Borla And a tune. Installed free....Happy Birthday to me from my wife.

[@DonnySRT]

That's an awesome deal! I bet the car sounds significantly better with the JBAs and Borlas

[@yazlingtooth4809]

Awesome video, 5ys later lol. Just got a 2013 with a 5.7 was looking into shorty's. Eventually going to do an mds delete and cam. thanks for the infor!

[@michaelgreaney5165]

Ceramic coating headers doesn’t stop cracking, it lowers under hood temps aka heat soak which will cause power loss. Second if you ever install headers get some good gaskets “I use Percy’s” and I also use Stage 8 header bolts simply because they never back out and there’s never been anything better made. Regardless of and header/ gasket you use you need to retorque your headers after a few hundred miles. Also I always pull the dipstick tube to make the install easier, and you have to reuse the front stud that the tube mounts to. Lastly short tube headers will net you about 15 RWHP. Most people can’t feel it but your caned tune will net you about 25-30 RWHP and more from a custom tune which everyone can feel. But yes a tune will compliment a header upgrade on your car.

[@DonnySRT]

You’re right about the heat soak part, I don’t know why I didn’t mention that. But, I must also add that any time you’re heating and cooling a metal like that, you’re exposing it to cracking. A big “materials science” thing. With regards to those numbers you threw out, I would say those are on the high side, but not impossible. I bought some Percy’s gaskets. Otherwise, you’re on point!

[@michaelgreaney5165]

DonnyR/T when you hear of cracks it will most likely be the exhaust manifolds. The manifolds will crack because of the porosity of the cast iron and temp change. Most of the headers for our Hemi cars are made from 409 or 304 stainless, with anywhere between 16-18 gauge tubing and good thick 3/8 flanges. Cracks that happen on short tube headers on our cars are extremely rare. The cracks that headers will develop will happen 90% of the time at the welds. This will happen because of vibration or if you have long tubes and a lowered car. The cracks from vibration at the welds can be poor penetration, the wrong rod, or contamination. Headers are by far the best bolt on to net power you could buy, unless your car comes with them like the SRT does. It’s no wonder why they come factory installed. If you look at real before and after dyno runs on 5.7 Hemi’s you’ll see mid teen RWHP gains.

[@DonnySRT]

Ah yes. I was only looking at top end power. The mid range gains are pretty nice. With shorties the car started breaking loose at 30 rolls. Don’t get me wrong, the shorty headers are the best mod I’ve done to the car

[@txhemi_6781]

I was thinking of getting shorty headers because my driving is around 60% city and 40% highway. But there are these dynatech long tubes and high flow cats that are a great price and seem like good quality as well

[@sterlingprice3583]

I have 2013 blacktop R/T.......have the flowmaster shorties with slp lm1 for mids and rear reso delete, stock cats still on....sounds like a beast. If you have the diablo tune...look into a Jay Greene tune...that will wake it up even more. He's quick to respond...uses paypal....once you pay and send him a list of all your mods he will email you a tune and just download, data log and send it back and he will tweak it and resend back. i love it.

[@DonnySRT]

I should probably get a custom tune... but there's a lot in store for this car so I dont wanna fork out that money JUST yet

[@moparbro]

They will give you more torque off the line, grab a set of 315's in the back so get some grip added

[@DonnySRT]

The torque melts my poor 275s! Eventually when I get it all setup ill get some good Nittos or something

[@moparbro]

@@DonnySRT Make sure you get a Throttle Body Spacer, everybody gets them, its like +35Hp to the wheels

[@mexicanhemi3753]

Fred_eazy21 hey man wassup with that throttle you mentioned?

[@tribeofbenjamin6]

Does a tune void your warranty?

[@hemi5.7villain]

I need that then I just order mine this evening have a sound clip if you like an my set up

[@zachsimmons382]

I have a 2017 Camaro 2SS I’m planning to get shorties for (Hooker Black Heart 1 7/8). I have an MBRP catback, RotoFab CAI, ported throttle body and spacer. Can’t wait to see headers will do both with sound and performance. I’m hoping and expecting them to compliment my current set up.

[@jonathancardenas5075]

What tune did you end up using? I thought dodge/Chrysler have locked PCM's from factory so you cant tune them?

[@DonnySRT]

It is possible to get them unlocked but it can void the warranty. I got a Diablo tuner and had them unlock my pcm

[@captainobvious5993]

How much did the installation cost? I'm looking to get long tubes for my hemi

[@Costar1982]

I wanna do this ...but I also want more top end speed so what should I do

[@DonnySRT]

Long tubes are better for that

[@Costar1982]

@@DonnySRT short tubes won't help me

[@Costar1982]

Bbk headers

[@mcm95403]

Install time?

[@jacksmith3189]

Good information Thanks

[@DonnySRT]

Glad I could help. Thank you for watching!

[@charleslincoln5357]

Good for daily driver Long tubes are for race track quality vehicles

[@blakerogers535]

Did you use the canned diablosport tune or did you have a pro tune

[@Exertiions]

I’m thinking of doing shortys too and I was even thinking of these JBA headers because I have catless midpipes, what was the hardest part? Was it that bolt? And did you replace all header bolts with new ones?

[@DonnySRT]

The hardest part is really the biggest part which is bolting them up. A few of the bolts are really far up there and hard to wrench in

[@atmorgan7628]

What does heean when he says get the tune after putting shorty's on?

[@ateeqs9586]

Thank you for the video and knowledge.. keep it up 👍🏻

[@DonnySRT]

Thanks! Glad you found it helpful

[@elfiveseven57]

A lot of guys here r asking about which tuner you use?

[@DonnySRT]

I used to use DiabloSport but now HP Tuners

[@YamiRich]

nice car man, how do you know how much to torque the header bolts to?

[@DonnySRT]

Thanks man! Honestly - Im not exactly sure on the exact torque measurement. You just have to be reallyyyy carefule not to strip the bolt in the block. You dont have to go too tight because there is a gasket

[@humanoid7765]

Nice car and video. I just got a set of BBK shorty tuned headers for my 2013 300c 5.7L. Going to have them installed soon and can't wait to hear what it will sound like with the magnaflow cat back exhaust I have on now.

[@DonnySRT]

I LOVE the 300. That thing is gonna sound like a beast. When you get it set up post some videos Id love to see

[@t_illusionz1777]

What size did you get for the shortys??? Will any size fit?

[@humanoid7765]

I think mine are 1 7/8.

[@t_illusionz1777]

Humanoid 77 thanks bro! Yea I have the exact same car as you . How is it now a year later?

[@humanoid7765]

I like the tone with the magnaflow cat back exhaust, It's not obnoxiously loud but noticeable. Very noticeable when getting on expressway/parkway. Lol. You can feel a little more pull from a dig and at the low to mid rpm curve. I had to bring it back to the shop to have a header bolt tightened on the drivers side. It came loose and had exhaust leak. The shop said that it happens with these types of headers. (I dont know about that) had them installed last year in March 2019 and brought it back to have the exhaust leak fixed in jan. 2020. Aside from that it's been ok.

[@redram3457]

Did you have any kind of tune before the shorty headers?

[@DonnySRT]

No

[@epic.fun.gaming]

Excellent Review

[@DonnySRT]

Thank you!

[@brandontomalewski8277]

Did you notice a big difference in sound on the out side?

[@DonnySRT]

Moderate increase in volume. Wasn't huge

[@elijahverchon6229]

Another from Cali with a super track pack Rt 2018 . Thanks for the knowledgeable video brotha 🔥🔥

[@DonnySRT]

No problem man!

[@americainmuscle3456]

Hey man got a similar set up with the Borla S-type, also live in California how have they held up since this video?

[@DonnySRT]

They've been great. I prefer these Borlas over the other brands because Im not a fan of that chambered sound. These sound the best to me! No issues with police either but Im also a pretty mild driver

[@americainmuscle3456]

@@DonnySRT awesome! And it's been playing nice with the JBAs so far?

[@DonnySRT]

@@americainmuscle3456 Whoops I didnt realize you were talking about the JBAs my bad haha. Yea, I love the combo. No issues. The JBA Headers actually make it sound a little more "gurgly" and they also lessened the drone I was getting

[@americainmuscle3456]

@@DonnySRT ey I could have been more clear😂 and that's good to hear man, funny how someone's got almost the exact same set up as me in California JLT and borla S-type and all lol

[@DonnySRT]

@@americainmuscle3456 It's a pain in the ass with all the CARB regulations and stuff man. These were some of the only parts we could get here haha

[@miguelgomez1676]

Hey were can I get shorty headers install I live in California to

[@DonnySRT]

Fullblown performance can install them

[@71donkrider]

i want it for thesounds only

[@jassajatt829]

How much will it cost to get the tune for headers on my rt?

[@bryanstevenson6361]

What kind of tune did you put

[@DonnySRT]

As of right now, it has the canned diablo 91 octane tune

[@bryanstevenson6361]

@@DonnySRT ok I just got the jba shorty headers with high flow cats and I have a flowmaster cat back exhaust didnt know if I could use one of those they dont explain what each tune does

[@DonnySRT]

Yea man, it’s always better to get a custom tune, but even the 91 oct made a world of a difference on my car. Have you installed those mods yet? The car should have way more “get up” now!

[@bryanstevenson6361]

@@DonnySRT No I'm actually going to do it tomorrow I can't wait to see the sound difference and hp gains. I appreciate you writing back

[@k.hamilton5848]

tuning it basically tells your car that this new part is a beast and needs more powah lol. good video though, about to get some shortys for my 300 5.7. last thing i need for full exhaust ( besides high flow cats) which im not sure if ill do for sure yet

[@DonnySRT]

Absolutely! Tuning is a necessity! You'll love those shorties. Also, I've heard great things about upgrading the factory catalytic converters. Aftermarket ones are pretty expensive though

[@k.hamilton5848]

@@DonnySRT just got the shortys today lol, waiting for them to arrive now!

[@t_illusionz1777]

What shortys did you go with?

[@k.hamilton5848]

Tashawn Valentine I went with bbk shorties it was part number 4028 but i actually ended up returning the shorties and i got long tubes and hi flow cats now

[@hemi5.7villain]

@@k.hamilton5848 how that turn out

[@srtjosh5572]

Do the computer have to be unlocked for the tune

[@DonnySRT]

For 15+ cars ya

[@dmay707]

Nice Vid brodie, was thinking of long tube headers in my WK2 but short might be the way because I'm in Cali also. Did have a question about your tuner did you get the cali certified diablo version for emissions?

[@DonnySRT]

Mine is not the 50 state one because for some reason I was sent the “platinum” version or whichever one ends in -R. Not sure if they’ll still ship those ones here though. If you buy the locked version ive heard that they can unlock it remotely but you’ll want to call and ask them first

[@richardgarris9305]

Where did you get the tune for the headers?

[@DonnySRT]

At this point in time I had the diablo 91 octane tune loaded up

[@seanmiller3500]

Hey man. If you remember I’ve practically mimicked your exhaust set up with the shorties because I absolutely loved it. I wanted to know what tune you did to get your car to make down shifting noises with the headers in?

[@DonnySRT]

I'm not really sure what you're referring to

[@seanmiller3500]

@@DonnySRT in this video your car was making some awesome downshift noises and I was just wondering if the tune amplified that

[@DonnySRT]

@@seanmiller3500 At this point it was only the diablo 91 octane tune

[@seanmiller3500]

@@DonnySRT oh that’s it?? So is that the only tune I need for shorty headers?

[@hemi5.7villain]

@@seanmiller3500 cold intake makes that sounds

[@Cubanogar]

Im in Cali too, what and where are you camming it? I have a 2013 Dodge challenger 5.7L hemi

[@DonnySRT]

Still figuring that part out. I need to make sure it is still smog legal

[@dramonx7218]

@@DonnySRT is it smog legal?

[@monoxjuggalo86]

Hey man, how did you get your diablo in CA? I'm stuck lol

[@hemi5.7villain]

Go to the shop if you going pay that much for it get it done right so you can better understand it

[@firearm.obsessed8142]

Did you get a emailed tune or what?

[@DonnySRT]

When I filmed the video I only had the tune that came with the Diablo but a real email tune would be better

[@BloodyEnviouZ]

When you say you couldn’t feel a difference until you got your vehicle tuned. What is the tune from the Diablo sport? Or was it from a professional tuner? The only reason I ask is because I have the Diablo sport tuner and a cold intake, and I just ordered a pair of Shorty headers. Did you have any other Bolt ons aside from the intake and Shorty headers and tune at the time of this video?

[@DonnySRT]

I had the 91 octane tune that came on the Diablo thing. Those were the only things done to the car besides exhaust

[@hemi5.7villain]

I'm getting mines Dyno I should have done 1 stock slowly working on my ride

[@ReptarART]

Would the headers fit a 2012 charger rt ?

[@DonnySRT]

I believe so. Is it rwd?

[@ReptarART]

Yea rwd

[@DonnySRT]

Yea then you should be good

[@ReptarART]

Thanks bro appreciate it

[@sterlingprice3583]

@@ReptarART if your waiting a few more.... I got the Flowmaster shorty headers last Memorial Day weekend on line... $100 off.

[@brianc2124]

What kind bbn of cam are you going with?

[@DonnySRT]

I still haven't decided but I know the ones that I am NOT going with if that makes sense

[@ericholland7050]

How much more horsepower you gain?

[@DonnySRT]

I would guess like 10 peak. You also have to look at the powerband throughout the RPMs though, as shorty headers are good for low end power

[@cox7215]

What tuner did you use?

[@DonnySRT]

Diablo Trinity T2. Used the canned 91 oct tune

[@moparonthebudget8830]

I have some scatpack headers for my 5.7

[@DonnySRT]

Those are a good option

[@moparonthebudget8830]

I was wondering if you you can help me put it on please

[@josuepalomares7246]

If i put shorty headers do i have to put a tune or can i just leave it with just the headers?

[@DonnySRT]

If you leave your cats you don't need a tune. But it's recommended

[@Cubanogar]

What tune?

[@DonnySRT]

At the time of filming it was the canned diablo tune

[@Vultite]

Man I think I just snapped a few manifold bolts...time for an upgrade

[@pblackjac]

Nice ride. Have those same shortys on my 05 Maggie RT. Also kudos to you for acknowledging that drone is nasty.... and not in a good way. 👍👍👍

[@DonnySRT]

ayyy gotta love the Magnum! And yea, drone isn't something I like to hear lol

[@mexicanhemi3753]

pblackjac rtfs is the drone n does it add sound? N wassup with the shorty headers?

[@pblackjac]

@@mexicanhemi3753 I only got the Shortys because the engine was being replaced, and I took advantage of that. I already had the JBA catted mid-pipes (they are a cheaper and better replacement for the O.E.) so they fit right in. Also had the JBA cat-back. Had resonators welded in too. The Shortys will also work with the factory mid-pipes.

[@rhurtadorh32]

I have a 05 rt maggie and am looking to get headers. Just dont know with wich brand to go with since i just hear bbk headers crack? Currently the maggie its straight pipe.

[@pblackjac]

@@rhurtadorh32 I haven't had a problem with the JBA shortys. I have two recommendations. 1) Do not use the supplied gaskets. Get the O.E. gaskets. 2) Get the coated headers. Better for corrosion resistance.

[@12gaugehemi46]

So you just used the 91 octane tune after you installed them? you didn't get a custom tune for the headers? And did you get any CEL afterwards?

[@DonnySRT]

Just the diablo 91 tune.

[@mexicanhemi3753]

Hey anyone can help me I wanna get headers installed but I honestly don’t know what to go with

[@DonnySRT]

What questions do you have?

[@mexicanhemi3753]

DonnyR/T what’s the different between shorties and long tubes

[@DonnySRT]

That’s a loaded question haha. Shorties are typically better for low end torque, are cheaper, and are more emissions friendly. Long tubes will require modification to mod pipes, are louder, better for top end, but also more expensive

[@mexicanhemi3753]

DonnyR/T see but I don’t know if my car will ever see the track to yk

[@mexicanhemi3753]

DonnyR/T but I would like to do street races

[@killmonger_3927]

I thought we couldn’t pass smog in California with a tuned car? I’m going to be getting headers but if I can tune it, that would be huge

[@DonnySRT]

The Diablo canned tune is carb legal

[@RTan.5.7]

Would this be compatible for a 2022 R/T Charger? Because as per Americanmuscle.com it's only "CARB Approved for 2009-2016 Models Only"? @DonnySRT

[@craigsixta983]

Long tubes make more power everywhere. Including low-end.

[@Likethisjob]

False! Long tubes kill low end torque just a little, but make up for it with big top end gains. So if ur not redlining ur motor driving around town, shorty headers might be the better choice. Shorty's (in most cases) increase low end torque which could be more beneficial for stoplight races.

[@1stockrt902]

@@Likethisjob oh really nice

[@arrmaboy_6508]

This is exactly what I needed to hear ro make my decision

[@dalton9614]

How do you tune your car

[@DonnySRT]

diablo tuner and unlocked pcm

[@astevens349]

Have you seen if it will pass smog

[@DonnySRT]

Shorties are CARB legal

[@abdulrhmanModa]

Don't use gaskets it's came with header it's trash use oem 6.1 For header bolts I use 6.1 Header bolts for the 5.7 Headers..

[@DonnySRT]

Yea man - I got the 6.4 gaskets but the problem is that passenger side bolt - Ill torque em down when I pull the engine apart this may. Might also throw on some long tubes ;)

[@jlrockafella]

Shorty headers don't really give you any extra power but they do change the sound. If you want real performance go with long headers and you can get 25-30hp with tune.

[@themanthemyththelegend4053]

They definitely do give you added gains anytime you can create a negative vacuum and optimal flow you'll see growth in the range

[@ilovecannabisalot7324]

Other way around.. these dont give muvh sound...

[@michaelaxtell592]

You're backwards, shorty headers are for high rpm. Long tube is for low rpm torque

[@DonnySRT]

That is not the case for these motors, and it has been proven by countless dyno experiments. On older cars and other motors that is a possibility

[@jlrockafella]

You get more performance from just the tune, the short headers didn't matter.

[@realdave3240]

Don't repeat BS. Long tubes are better from idle to redline. This is confirmed by dyno testing. That aside, any headers beat the OE logs.

[@jtyoung4019]

Damn cali sucks

[@DonnySRT]

It certainly has its pros and cons. Definitely not a modded-car friendly state

[@lrs333]

What tune are you using?