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How did Charles Manson groom the whole family? Charles Milles Manson was an American criminal, cult leader and musician who led the Manson Family, a cult based in California, in the late-1960s. Some of the members committed a series of at least nine murders at four locations in July and August 1969. In 1971, Manson was convicted of first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder for the deaths of seven people, including the film actress Sharon Tate. The prosecution contended that, while Manson never directly ordered the murders, his ideology constituted an overt act of conspiracy.
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Chapters:
00:00 Charles Manson Body Language Analysis
0038 Emotional Eye Accessing Cult Traits
1230 Amusement Ego Stroking Circular Logic
2112 Shoulder Shrug Cult Tactics Ambiguous Language
3321 Anger Charismatic Laughter Impact of Incarceration
3836 Facial Touching Approval Seeking Hesitation
4701 Narrowed Eyes Circular Speech Scientology
5614 Confusion Messiah Complex Verbal Excrement
10819 Adapters Lip Withdrawal Human Uniqueness
11801 Mocking Vague Language Rational Mind
12541 Asking About Motivations Understanding People
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[@joanneblack7697]

Mark comments that PROBABLY "He's the type of guy who if he came into a room full of people sitting in chairs, he would turn his chair backwards" ... etc. I saw an interview with him where he is much older, and that is EXACTLY what he did with his chair. Good call Mark! 💯

[@Kels891]

Mark is always soo spot on with his conceptualizations ❤

[@Mel-j1f]

Mark may have seen the same interview... just sayin...

[@joanneblack7697]

@user-zx9ki8tk4r True ... yet once he said that, I started spotting people who do that ... and remembering people who'd done that in the past. He makes a good point.

[@nancypiros9133]

Hello, Greg, Mark, Chase & Scott! Having grown up in Los Angeles during the time of the Sharon Tate murders; I can tell you I was a about 10yrs old and happen upon a magazine in a Drs. office that told in detail about the Sharon Tate murders . I read it and was completely shocked and in disbelief that anyone in the world could have done or witnessed this murder. The whole world changed from everything is nice in the world to not. It rattled me to the core. Having watched this episode I can’t say I’m sorry he has passed away. Good Riddance….. Thank you Behavior Panel for your expertise and time . See you again next week as always😊❤️

[@cynthiakarpamccarthy6598]

It was terrifying. I was 11 years old and up north. Of course, we had the zodiac killer. I’m amazed anyone gets nostalgic for the 1960s.

[@srauenonline]

There we go, getting to salute all 4 panelists that make this awesome. Some things are far better in a mix than the sum of the individual parts. This group is an example: Individually great, together explosive. 🎉 Making some kind of sense of the insane calms and educates the community. Whether we agree or disagree on subjects, we join together in our great appreciation for this learning resource. Since studying, I've learned to read subtle cues to stress, and, alerted by pre violence indicators, defused a confrontation. Thanks for the gifts.

[@anonymity1003]

Greg, I am forever in your debt for this one sentence, "The organism will continue to do what made it successful in the past." Every time I pull that line out, people's heads explode. They immediately conclude that I'm the smartest person in the room.

[@chuckleezodiac24]

the organism must not know many people.

[@allisonhamerla7066]

Best comment

[@Pedro38627]

Call me envious but that line from Darwin to myself every one can think of. Even abused women repeat things that were NOT GOOD for themselves but whose process they know.

[@johannes83201]

It never stops to amaze me how many different things greg, scott, chace and mark are able to pull out from the videos. Love you guys.

[@andrewmoss3681]

That moment where Greg's cam starts playing up (around 35 mins). Chase & Scott, you both only get a C grade there for hiding laughter. Maybe a C- for Chase. But watching you pair trying to hold it in had me chuckling. Scott actually having to look away had me laughing. Yet more great work gents. I hope everyone on the Panel has an amazing weekend. & much love to everyone from here in GB

[@KimS-ud9hm]

Awesome! Thank you guys so much! You really read the comments! I’m so excited to see this. Like Bundy, Gacy, Dahmer, Ramirez etc. we’ve all seen a lot of footage of them but you guys manage to make it into something none of us has ever seen. A true learning experience ❤

[@katfromthekong414]

35:34 Scott and Chase trying not to laugh as Greg's stream started to break up a bit was classic 😂😂

[@minervafigueroa6886]

I asked for Charles Manson analysis like 1.5 months ago and I’m getting it!!! Thank you! ❤️❤️🙏🏻

[@AACE73]

Good things come to those who wait 😉

[@gloomgirl]

Me too!! I’m so excited!! 🤍 The king of creepy 👀

[@hannahriley8085]

I might be biased because I'm British but I absolutely love Marks input, he always explains things from a totally different perspective than the other guys even though he's usually agreeing with their points

[@Investigate_Mermaids]

Agreed; I was thinking earlier that I enjoy his being in the mix because his perspective and input provides a kind of counterpoint to the north-American, military-and interrogation- background of the others. I appreciate all of their perspectives but I think his inclusion is valuable for that reason.

[@johanericsson2403]

He's my fav. I'm way too used to the American military guy mentality lol.

[@kinsmade--wherecraftsarefa7830]

Love that Greg extends the definition of cult to military. I've heard the Panel also call a marriage a cult of two. Brilliant!

[@tlindsay1007]

What your saying is interesting. It shows that there's a fine line between trying to convince someone vs. trying to indoctrinate someone. I think that's why it's so easy for so many people to get taken in by these cult leaders. Most of them act pretty normal and can be very smart, which gives them an advantage over a Manson type, who turned off a lot of people. He had to pick out the most vulnerable, broken people. Plus, he had the drug culture and 1960's anti-establishment, if it feels good, do it , generation to work with.

[@PhyllisHemen]

I am from that generation. This is the first time I felt secure enough to listen to a Manson interview. He terrified me. Thanks guys. Yall did a great job.

[@patdirvin9706]

My generation too.

[@tlindsay1007]

It's no wonder he frightened so many. He and his followers were able to sneak into people's houses at night. He always seemed crazed to me, which is frightening, too.

[@holly7869]

I'm from LA and grew up in the San Fernando Valley, he terrified all of us.

[@pahbradley]

Gregg is correct…”He was a miserable little man!” All the attention he got in life was pitching fits and acting crazy! He knew what he was doing and loved to confuse people

[@cdavis4857]

100%

[@panninggazz5244]

I knew a few guys during the punk rock era who were stuck on stupid and were not unconvinced that he had wisdom. Nope No wise here Move on

[@kimmyfreak200]

exactly what i said too about manson..just a hateful miserable human being... so vindictive and insecure...he loved messing with peoples minds and using them

[@ChristineKiral]

It's funny you nobody's all try to ride off Charlie's name 😂

[@rachaelmccarl]

Mark is such a spice of life. Love listening to his thoughts and how he speaks. 😊❤🎉

[@josephw.1463]

A while ago on KZbin I listened to parole hearings for Manson, Susan Atkins, and Leslie van Houten--the one who got released recently. Just listening to them as a lawyer, I thought Manson wasn't even trying; Atkins came across weird and phony; and van Houten was the model for "how you want your client to behave at parole hearings." (This was a hearing long before she actually got parole.) I would love to hear a compare-and-contrast by this panel between those three.

[@toni_belle]

I’d love to see your take on Keith Raniere as a cult leader, along with his relationship with Alison Mac. His branding of women just blew my mind!

[@Beckaboo3397]

Greg has THE warmest smile. It makes me smile. Wouldn’t like to be questioned/interrogated by him though I’d probably admit to something I didn’t do out of fear 😂

[@daisy-lady-22]

Hahaha 😂❤

[@septentrionalm2667]

Ok, I'm watching too much Behaviour Panel...had a dream last night that I was being interrogated by a tall, imposing man (not Greg, however) in battle fatigues, surrounded by others. I was sitting down and reached up and went "Boop!" and touched battle fatigue's nose. The room went still, in shock. Battle fatigue said to me, why did you do that? I said I watch the Behaviour Panel and this is one of the techniques to stop interrogation. Everyone laughed & let me go! I was amazed that my chicanery (please have Mark use this word more often) got me out of a tight spot.

[@iamfree-ce7xd]

I agree with the whole comment

[@kimberlywz4567]

I love it when Scott & Chase try to hold it together as Greg breaks up through his part 😅...love u guys! You provide so much knowledge on different things. Keep doing what you're doing x

[@twirlingparasol_]

4:12 this made my day, Greg. "Nobody wants to deal with crazy." Your delivery is hilarious.🤣

[@melanyapolata9941]

"he's a full-blown idiot" - love it Scott, this is such an Aussie saying!

[@alanapiana1970]

Scott, you nailed it. He’s medicated here. This is not his typical demeanor.

[@beccijanemc91]

Everyone's faces when Mark says he wouldn't call Scientology a cult on KZbin 😂

[@rosered103]

Priceless!

[@joanneblack7697]

@@rosered103 Mark: "Of course I would never, ever say that on youtube. Never!" 😂😂😂

[@thisisme3238]

So glad to hear from all of you with this particular video of Charles Manson. Always like "your take" on various people, love your channel. 🤗

[@sarahleannyoung2336]

I'm so glad you guys are covering cult leaders and how they recruit people. So good!

[@conniepierre4445]

I was turning 13 when these murders happened. Manson has fascinated me ever since. Thanks for doing this one guys. As always, an entertaining learning experience.

[@margaretgreenwood4243]

Chase is Spot On. Manson is good at spotting victims who will fall for his mumbo jumbo

[@Vyraxia]

For anyone curious about the interviewer, it was Mike Boyd of KCRA 3 out of Sacramento, California. This interview took place in 1980.

[@dancingfirefly5974]

The moral of this story....take care of your children 💙

[@Vmurph]

Poor Scott! 😅 Lol, he can’t keep it together when he sees Chase start to smile. 35:56 He literally has to cover his mouth and look away, to keep from cracking up. I love it 😄❤️

[@32snowbound60]

Yesssss!! Finally you have made a Charles Manson video!!! Love it!! Thank you guys all!!

[@christinesaaty215]

I’ve been watching you guys for a little while now, and I’m a little embarrassed to say that a lot of times I’m listening to hear your voices, cause they relax me, while I do other things. Although, I do find your info very interesting. So I was tickled when I found myself nodding along with one of you cause I had noticed the same thing while C. Manson spoke. I’m finally learning!!!!

[@Ninaagabi]

He sounds like 90% of the new age spiritualist on tiktok 😂

[@doitmyselfmama]

First of all, this was an awesome analysis, I’m a long-time cult obsessive and have a particular fascination with the Manson family, and this was really interesting discussion. Second, I have always wanted to suggest that the Behaviour Panel look at Susan Atkins, generally characterized as one of the more-unhinged Manson girls. It is actually through your dissection of other sociopathic women that I came to see Susan Atkins in a new light, and there are several interviews with her over her lifetime that chart her interesting progression and reveal a lot about her character.

[@Beanp2025]

He's not some extraordinary guru but he's right. "The people that run your lives aren't very nice." If only he has an opportunity to explain what he knows.

[@robw3984]

He's just saying people in charge are not nice.. He has a problem with authority but he isn't smart and knows nothing apart from crime

[@memmy552]

"An absolute dog's dinner" 😂😂👌🏻 love you Mark

[@saragates2255]

"... But when you get him in the bright light he's just a miserable little man." -Greg Hartley 🎯🎯🎯

[@ChristineKiral]

I wouldn't characterize him like that He was printing books running record labels selling CDs Donating to animal liberation front And Earth liberation front And he was a good artist and he was selling artwork He was a man that was fuked over by the system But he never let that hold him back he kept doing good 👍‼️😊💯

[@ChristineKiral]

The Rock group Marilyn Manson was named after him partly Numerous groups recorded his music He sold t-shirts with his face and name So cry a little harder and cope and seethe

[@The-Esoteric-One]

Manson apparently did 150 hours of Scientology auditing in the 60's. Following his time in the church, he said that the religion was ”too crazy.” I didn't make the link before, but now I can see it in his mannerisms, the stare...

[@betsytucker4788]

then maybe he was under a spell too.

[@betsytucker4788]

That would f anybody up.

[@The-Esoteric-One]

Scientology's David Miscavige's Interview with Ted Koppel would be interesting to see.

[@MeghanReads]

I was homeless in high school, and Charles Manson just reminds me of the homeless people I’d come across that had a couple screws loose, I don’t know how people thought he was charming

[@zerowheeler]

He was a lot younger than this interview, he wrote songs, knew some famous people and maybe was more charming when facing young ladies under 20 and guys who wanted to make some money, sell drugs or have a lot of sex.

[@srauenonline]

That's a rough go, Megumi. Congrats on making it through and coming out the other side. Its real hard to see Manson and understand the reaction " let's get us some of that!"

[@MeghanReads]

@@zerowheeler I know, I hace seen his old interviews, his trials, his photos from the ranch surrounded by women, even then you could tell he wasn’t right in the head. I guess everyone was just seeking enlightenment through whomever strayed the course of normalcy, but he was always wacky (putting it nicely) and his music didn’t impress anyone much at least when they were interviewed. I just don’t see the appeal. Sign of the times

[@zerowheeler]

@@MeghanReads I think they were all damaged folk looking for a new family, lost souls.

[@MeghanReads]

@@zerowheeler ripe pickings for cult leaders to this day

[@Doz409]

IMHO a focus on cult leaders and their methods is an invaluable public service - thank you

[@teresev1435]

I’m with all four you on this one, as usually every one-such phenomenal 411 from each of you. I’ve never understood how panelists can pick one favorite, you’re all four my favorite ❤❤❤❤

[@hollyford6524]

1:14:33 Coming from a mental health professional, what Chase said about the DSM V and how labels can become a self fulfilling prophecy was very well stated.

[@davidcaram7675]

Chase explains cult-speak so well. Thank you,guys.

[@TheHippiemomma37]

Scott trying not to lose it when Greg's video feed starts wigging out is everything.

[@rebeccamurphy4695]

Greg's summary was pretty spot on! Good show, gents, it was torture having to watch Manson ramble, but your comments were gold.

[@Rebeccamunro1]

I don't find him charismatic in the least, in fact he gives me the proper creeps! That flash of anger at the interviewer after the two and fro was undeniable and chilling. Mark is right, he enjoys not giving a straight answer, and talks a load of crazy bunkum. An ex of mine used to say "paranoia pays", he turned out to be a wannabe career criminal and diagnosed narcissistic psychopath.. I make that point for what it's worth. It's interesting to see all the different types of manipulation. Once these people's masks finally slip, you can't unsee the scary reality. To my mind, to know one true narcissist is to know them all. Love all four of you guys' views and observations. Thankyou Scott for all the hard work you put into these educational videos! ❤

[@Mothhole]

Request for an interpretation of Kevin Spacey's behaviour around allegations

[@FlowerPowerWV]

Yes 👍

[@israeldaley6348]

Thank you behaviour panel for doing something on Charles Manson I asked a long time ago if you could do a segment on Manson and other members of his group particularly, Susan Atkins, tex Watson, leslie van Houten Patricia krenwinkle thank you guys.

[@d.k.6361]

Are we seeing the product of a human who wasn't raised by other humans, but by penal institutions his whole life? Who was never socialized, never taught right and wrong, only whatever needs to be done for survival? When he asks "Teach me what 'Help is', I wonder if he really means it - that he doesn't understand the concept of 'help', from one human to another.

[@TrulyJefferson]

What prevents me from believing that he doesn't know what "help" is, is the fact that later he talks about all the people in prison who are "helping" him. How could he know that they are "helping" him, but not understand what "help" is?

[@dlc5166]

He was playing with the interviewer with that question basically laughing in their face at what they thought help was versus what he thought help was. He learned what their brand of help was in and out of multiple institutions and he hated the "help" he received there in the form of beatings, etc. He was being sarcastic by saying that.

[@bethtaylor9773]

I believe him when he says he never thought about helping anyone else.

[@misterdonwaters]

26:00 when Chase mentions “Rhyme as Reason” the first thing to come to mind was the Reverend Jesse Jackson. No judgment of the man himself, just that’s what came to mind, because he rhymed alot. That and “If it does not fit, you must acquit.”, which was Johnny Cochran in the Simpson trial.

[@misterdonwaters]

Well, I paused to make a comment and Hughes brings up Cochran. Didn’t know.

[@mariannelibertad]

Chase and Scott holding their giggles and nearly laughed :) but Mark did think of it but then thought no, and Greg didnt notice when the stream had interferences but we saw him paused. So funny :)

[@beinglesley]

Thanks for another interesting analysis, gentlemen. I would love to see a compilation of various cult leaders so you can identify the body language tactics they all share. I would also love to see one focusing on Scientology, especially those in the public eye who’ve escaped. It would be interesting to see their body language when they were in compared to after they got out.

[@tracimcmurray5244]

Thanks, y'all. I've watched a lot on Manson, but I'm sure others learned more and I enjoyed the analysis. Any chance Lori Vallow Daybell finally speaking at her sentencing or anything more on Taylor Schabusiness on the horizon? Especially Schabusiness--her body language absolutely baffles me!

[@tlindsay1007]

Schabusiness was very odd. I've never seen anyone like her. I watched her while her Dad, and those psychologists were testifying about her mental health and background, after she was found guilty, but before the final sentencing. I could definitely see a change in her manner with each one. She looked happy when her Dad was talking about her. She sat up and really listened to him and exchanged "I love you" with him as he walked by to leave. Then she started her weird frown and facial expressions during the psychologist who spoke against her,. While the other person who spoke more for her innocence, her face had none of the contortions. She seemed very relaxed. My belief is that she has Borderline Personality Disorder. She's a real manipulator, shown by her very different expressions with the people, as I described. I, too, would love to get the Panel's analysis on her.

[@samslost6011]

I can't believe how calm he is. In every other interview, he's raving

[@m.rnobody8030]

Still smiling at scott's take on manson. "He's an idiot." Love it.

[@reeferseasalt]

I said it along with him lol but idk if it's just great minds think alike 😅

[@reeferseasalt]

It's like we're disappointed he's not very smart at all 😅

[@AedanGUnit]

Mark’s reactions were just spot on. He thinks this guy is an idiot and not worth wasting time on. I agree. Mark is always thoughtful and deep in his assessments. This time he spotted the idiocy right out of the gate and kept his answers pointed and accurate IMO.

[@positivepenny5477]

Request for Taylor Schabusiness next!!

[@clynnadams32]

Yes please!!

[@kerrye3901]

Oh yeah!!

[@yankeehillraymie1296]

Let's All change our names to Schabusiness

[@froggreen2067]

Who's business?

[@Soulbrothersunny]

Same!

[@veeeds]

They should make him diagram his own sentences as punishment.

[@George_Tropicana]

But…but..he’s dead 😯

[@syritasdoneitgoodytwoshoes2471]

Thanks my Darlings - great video! UK watching...thankyou 😘

[@lisawatt8593]

I have to tell you guys... I LOVE this show. I have been binge watching since I discovered it. I am so obtuse when it comes to people and to liars.. this is good for me to watch. Learning a lot. And whoever put the four of you together is a genius. You work so well together and compliment each other. I love when you are interacting and laughing. Thank you and keep the shows coming.

[@pinkysteen1121]

Scott trying not to laugh and compose himself after Greg is frozen...as Chase tries not to look at Scott...as Mark looks up noticing something is going on that he must have missed. Greg looks like he knows something is off but moves on. Scott still trying not to laugh............... I was hysterical!!!!

[@TheBehaviorPanel]

Dang. You need your own channel. You miss nothing. 😮

[@ag4389]

I am so easily annoyed by nonsensical people like this. They talk in circles and say nothing but think they are so smart and deep. It’s insulting 😅

[@calmkitty2]

Politicians. Hahahha

[@katsmeowarteveryday1706]

Someone once said to me “Why have you never married? Even Charles Manson found a spouse!” After seeing this, I think that says more about him than me!!

[@beewise439]

Hilarious 🎉

[@srauenonline]

There's an official name for the bizarre attraction some people have to killers and the like: >>Hybristophilia is a paraphilia involving sexual interest in and attraction to those who commit crimes.

[@ronnie_5150]

What I have found interesting is that Manson had read the book "How to win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. He had actually credited this book in order to get people to do what he wanted. A book that has sold 30 million copies, and is considered mandatory reading for many business people.

[@LeJohnathan]

"His brain and thoughts are a dogs dinner." Mark's quips are always so clever. Love it! Lol

[@marisagoodman5817]

I thought it was absolutely brilliant, how Scott said if you identify or agree with one thing he’s saying. It all starts making sense and then he’s got you . Chilling, you guys are the best ❤ 1:29:13

[@aaroncarson1770]

I love Scott. On Jimmy Saville, "HE"S NOT FUNNY" on Manson "HE"S AN IDIOT!" I'd love to see a breakdown of Marianne Williamson on Hasan.

[@Vmurph]

Scott is my favorite! He doesn’t try to be politically correct or diplomatic. We can always trust him to say exactly what he thinks. It makes him more relatable. ❤️

[@joem2745]

Lies are believed by those who hate the truth.

[@martinadavis4802]

This was yet another interesting, fantastic episode. Scott I spied you trying to conceal a chuckle at one point in the episode. Please continue brining us this top notch content 🎉

[@carolynehrensberger2162]

Mansion’s case was so astonishing, intriguing, and scary at the time. It was so good and helpful to hear that the reason he no longer has the ability to influence is that his technique no longer works as it is so far out of the context in which it was successful. Good stuff.

[@dannygray-mi3xn]

Have any of you read Tom O'Niells' book "Chaos"? It tears the trial and prosucuter Boogliosi apart. The official narrative is debunked completely.

[@kathrinewilson559]

Fetal alcohol syndrome, conduct disorder, disorganised thinking/schizoid type, narcissistic personality disorder, pathological psychopathy, borderline personality disorder - word lettuce - boy he sure was f*d up as a kid and sealed the deal with drugs.

[@monie7693]

I find Manson to be the least fascinating serial killer. I've encountered a few characters like manson in my life. Unpleasant bitter pseudo intellectuals are common enough to be predictable. Their exaggerated attempts to appear deep and mysterious demonstrate how boring insecure they actually are. Sad really.

[@M98-j9k]

He's not a serial killer

[@tharp2499]

1:11:45-ish I have to agree with Greg, and Chase's follow-up. I think we got a little peek into some actual emotion or "real"-ness. Something Manson doesn't like to expose...especially to "authority", imo. He works to consistently push away, push down, any expression or emotion the would expose his vulnerabilities. I think the definitive narcissism and megalomania are "skills" he developed as defense mechanisms through his abusive youth, and is what has "made the organism successful". It worked especially well with his followers. His apparent "bravado" strengthened his superiority over other broken, lost, young people...while appeasing his own ego. A "two-fer". He is one extremely damaged human. I truly appreciate the analysis through the "psychology lens" you've been bringing lately, Greg & Chase. Fascinating.

[@anjistandrin7511]

When Manson first spoke my immediate thought was 'it seems that all cult leaders are stupid and talk rubbish ' confirmed by Chase in his first thoughts.

[@crishuez]

Request for Oscar Pistorius especially in the courtroom! Edit: already covered. You guys are awesome!

[@mandyrobbins1]

Manson always reminded me of the Wizard of Oz..."Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

[@karenshadle365]

And so I make my first comment: on this particular vid about Manson. I may have others,but I post this now at the beginning to demonstrate how muddled our thinking was back then. What does this mean? I first learned we had such a thing that was called a " president" when I was 7 years old. I learned that this "presiden person" called Kennedy was killed when I was in second grade. I didn't Really know what a president was,but I was very sad. I began to learn later about the Vietnam war and the lies about it. Then next, the Civil rights movement entered my awareness. And MLK was assassinated. Then Bobby. The Nixon debacle started around 1972 and he resigned in 1974 when I was 18. I learned about the lies that government could do and it was shocking. These were my formative years concerning information about "politics" and our "leaders" not being nice guys. I'm really lucky I didn't meet up with Charlie around this time because I was seeking for someone/ something that made sense. And I was young...Just some insight to other watchers so that they can understand how lost we were back at that age. More later maybe as I continue to watch.

[@jogrant3851]

That's a really good point to describe the political environment at that time. And yes, Manson' thinking would have been very attractive to people back then who could see what was really going on, and there was a lot of corruption going on in government, we know that is true. It must have been a terrible time, crushing, to be young and to find that your government can't be trusted. Today, it is acceptable because we're used to it.

[@duckie6856]

@@jogrant3851 I'm an Australian and most are disillusioned by the govt! We've been conditioned to just accept what's going on. It needs t change and governments need to be thrown out and another system created that actually serves the people for the people. Manson is a nutter but makes some good arguments about government bodies. When is enough enough???

[@tharp2499]

I love Greg's "final thoughts".👍 If you guys analyze more Manson videos it's just gonna be a wild ride of insanity & downward spiral...But, I'd watch!!🤩 Great video, gentlemen. Thx!💗💗💗💗

[@upgrade1015]

This was great guys ! Amazing breakdown ! Respect

[@tracysires2234]

That interviewer was so cringy! I get he was probably trying to get somewhere or something out of Manson, but yikes! Those questions! I work parents and children, and Chase is so right on about how abuse, (physical, mental, emotional, spiritual), can cause irreparable damage to the child's brain. It DOES NOT excuse the choices he made and the things he did and was a part of, but it does help explain things.

[@tlindsay1007]

That interviewer did a great job. He wouldn't let Manson deflect his questions. If I were a criminal, I wouldn't want him to interview me!

[@S2375wattage]

I grew up in an abusive cult and left so I absolutely hate people like this. If it doesn't make sense, if it hurts people, if I have to do mental gymnastics to figure out why we're doing it, I'm OUT!

[@sahree]

Greg, when you said that you and Chase were in a cult, my first thought was, "wait a minute, I'd like to know more about that right there."

[@LeJohnathan]

They're from the South, so i'm guessing Jehovah's Witnesses.

[@SydMountaineer]

Greg’s right about bmt & other military training- right before graduation, my husband had a difficult time with me, I was SURE that I couldn’t leave the base even when they told me I could - I thought it was a trick. Even while I was off base with my family, I hid at times, after driving away from the base I was like Harry & Meghan fearing the paps when no one was there- I changed out of uniform into clothes my husband brought for me, and even when out on the balcony of the hotel, like 10 or 15 stories high, I wore a hat and tried to keep my face from being seen from that high up. They told us that they’d be watching, and I actually BELIEVED IT! 😂 What’s odd, is that during my training, I was the one seen as NOT fearful of our instructors, I stood up to them, and others were always asking me to bring up issues because they were too scared to walk down the “scary” hallway to try to gain entrance into the instructor’s office. And as a woman, I was not afraid of large, scary looking men yelling at me, like when they were testing us, trying to get into our barracks at night, they were testing us to see if we followed the procedure to let them in, like checking their ID, etc, I handled this with ease, but things you can’t handle seem to be what you don’t expect. At graduation, even though I really wanted to do things & visit with my family, who flew in from across the country, I just wanted to get back to base to relieve the worry that they didn’t actually want me to go. My husband had been in the military long before I was, and he was shocked at the differences between the time he was in, and when I was - things were much more strict when I was in.

[@annika_panicka]

Sorry I missed the premiere and live chat. I just started watching now and know it's going to be brilliant. Thanks to @The Behavior Panel for all their hard work and fascinating insights. I'd join their cult. I might already be in it. 👁

[@rachelk7555]

Manson reminds me of a compilation of so many patients I dealt with in psych facilities I worked in.

[@kimgee]

Should look at L Ron Hubbard and the Church of Scientology. Apparently Manson studied COS while in prison in his early days before the murders.

[@amygresl3691]

Was his father military? There's a story I heard that CIA was involved with Manson and Morrison and some others at that time. Like a project monarch brain washing.

[@facialsonDemand]

First thing Chase is cracking me up. I feel sorry for people desperate enough to follow a cult leader

[@susannacanta4336]

Thank you Behaviour Panel. One of the concepts you guys often bring up is: the organism does what made it successful (i.e. how was this individual created?). This criminal - strangely enough - really held up a mirror to us as a society and it's deeply unsettling to watch: a not-so-sane society that promotes and rewards cunning exploitation and manipulation at every level. You guys remind us all the time: from the corporate world to bootcamp. Take this further and one uncovers sth which beggars belief: the very same themes in this interview also play out in that famous 1997 high-profile interview that was recently written off. If one ventures to compare the latter interview to the former, one can notice that - in both - you basically have two completely opposite personalities (man without empathy versus one with too much empathy for her own good) whose opposite behaviours originated from the same psychological process, albeit different circumstances. Anybody who still remembers that interview would vaguely recall some ideas expressed by the iconic speaker, sth along the lines of: isolating experience, was confused, nobody sat me down and told me what to do, couldn't cope with the pressures, was seen as a basket case, either sink or swim kind of situation, gradually drawn towards those rejected by society, the man on the street, here to do good for ppl feeling unloved, ppl gave me healing, they carried me through, maybe there's a lot of ppl who need sb in public life to support them,...etc. Again: two totally opposite outcomes/personalities; yet, the similar psychological processing (i.e. seeing themselves as misfits/social outcasts) was at work and can't be missed. Would appreciate it if one could get insight as to how that can even be possible or explained?! Thanx again.

[@jkephart4624]

I've been waiting years and years for this now I'm 3 weeks late but better late than never😊

[@kyliebaby1391]

I studied him during my forensic psychology degree and my god he did my head in, he’s so repetitive and devoid of any original ideas. At first you think he’s forward thinking with things like water poisoning etc but once you’ve heard his speech a few times you realise why he coined the nickname “charlatan” by other inmates and staff. A big coward that manipulated neglected kids with controlling, coercive behaviour, drugs and conspiracies. Even his “crazy” is that of a child pretending. If he wasn’t a killer you’d feel sorry for a man battling mental health issues connected to childhood trauma.

[@kimberlee1732]

It’s funny how over time through word of mouth things become true I thought he was an evil genius. He can hardly string a sentence together 😂

[@Litaxx123]

He’s clearly off his rocker. Why would anyone follow him? Answer, a combination of drugs and people who are broken.

[@prechagirl]

In this case yes generally cults and thir leaders are more subtle in how they start

[@Tuning_Spork]

The favorite Manson interview is the 1986-ish one with Charlie Rose. I had it on VHS and watched it many times in the late '80s.

[@maryam.ferenc]

Hey Mark I LOVE that your blonde😍 hair is back. Luv it! You be you blondie, it's ur signature look, and I was really worried there for a few days! Phew thank goodness the world is right again lol 😥

[@josi4251]

My mother, a tough woman raised in poverty during the Depression, once listened to him on a televised rant about how society held people back, what it's like to be oppressed, blah, blah. (Some of what he said did make sense at times, of course, as cult leaders do.) She said, "He's right." I answered, "Yes, and he is also responsible for the brutal deaths of several people. I wouldn't believe him if he said water was wet."

[@paulaegraham]

Your mother is wiser than you are. It is important to hear what people say and evaluate it. Otherwise someone who looks good and hasn't gotten caught can take you anywhere. "He was a great guy I didn't even have to check if the water was wet."

[@josi4251]

@@paulaegraham Even a village idiot can speak truth on occasion, but that doesn't mean his discourse is all valid. When that village idiot is a murderer who can't keep his ass out of prison for more than a year or two at a stretch, I don't much care what he has to say, even if there are crumbs of truth sprinkled into the madness.

[@srauenonline]

@@paulaegraham "You're mother is wiser than you"? No way to make your point without the out down, the hostility ? Might could at least try.

[@NerdySabbath]

But water is wet, you're mother is jus more honest than most. Truth isn't determined by the character of who says it. A broken clock is right twice a day, yet we dont pearl clutch at that fact lol

[@josi4251]

@@NerdySabbath If you want to be a Manson fan because he happened to say something that had a grain of truth to someone, it's all the same to me. Charlie was the scum of the earth, but if someone wants to be a groupie, I really don't care. Even the most despicable excuses for humans occasionally make sense. And it's "your" when used as a possessive pronoun in the adjective case.

[@bongflores5090]

A GENIUS IS ALWAYS AGENIUS...SELF MASTERY IS THE NAME OF THE GAME !

[@Miranda-zq7eh]

Fun Fact Guns N' Roses recorded one of Manson's songs. After the backlash, they donated all revenue from that song to Manson's victims.

[@colettebouvier9201]

My husband was in the RCMP and we watched "Helter Skelter" on TV many years ago,. I swear we both had a major case of the jeebees that night. The clincher for us was when the prosecutor's watch stopped working in court and Charles M. looked at him with that evil smile (I can do anything to you). 😱

[@KimS-ud9hm]

Thank you guys so much for all you do and how much consideration you give us viewers. Every new case is a true learning experience! I have an unusual request but I'm really curious to see what conclusions you'd come to (from a body language pov only of course!). That is the case of Sandra Melgar. I just recently came across this in my True Crime travels and her case is really unsettling. The main reason is I'm not so sure she murdered her husband. I watched the 3 hour unedited interrogation and I don't know, I think they were really reaching on this one. Between the interrogation and an interview after her conviction I'd love to see what conclusions you four would come to. I was watching for clusters but to me she just seemed completely overwhelmed and even numb. I feel like this could be a good case to really see what could be mistaken for deception during an interrogation. Thanks again and please keep doing what you do!

[@joycesinclair9397]

Mark, you nailed it - Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys. Manson just acts crazy to hide that he is a little nobody.

[@daisy-lady-22]

That's right . Attention seeking on a colossal scale , to feed his gross grandiose narcissism.

[@teresev1435]

Brad Pitt in 12 monkeys. Exactly! Wonder if Brad modeled his crazy from watching Manson talk and emphasize with his hands as he does.

[@joycesinclair9397]

@@teresev1435 it’s very possible - Brad does it spectacularly, the hand gestures, fast talking and saying nothing.