Charlie Kirk Shuts Down 25 Pro-Aborts (My Response)

[@UtarEmpire]

The unwritten story here really is the journey from "safe, legal, and rare" to "the human child in the womb is a parasite".

[@Elisha_she_bear]

😢 yes I remember believing that women wouldn't do this lightly and should just deal with her own soul. And I stopped thinking about it. I would never abort, however, I never thought I should demand someone take in, a baby, or special cases, etc. But then, Safe, legal, rare, became Hate kids babies are the enemy, and a Parasite 😢 Then I started looking more, as I realized how many lies had been told in our culture And that's when I realized just what had become from; Dafe, legal, rare. 😢 Now it's just evil.

[@consecratedsoul]

Once you give the devil an inch he will take your entire soul, conservatives never learn.

[@sandstorm7768]

100%. It's a horrible and disgusting that abortion was meant to be a lifeline for rape victims but is now celebrated as a casual contraceptive method and babies are somehow harmful parasites. Like Trent said, the rape arguement has become a smokescreen for infanticide.

[@kansashoneybadger7899]

@@Elisha_she_bear Pro-aborts argue that unwanted children will "suffer" for long years in foster care. Truth? There are 36 married couples, who are already approved to adopt a child. So healthy infants do NOT languish in foster care. Foster care is a non-argument.

[@wordforever117]

@@Elisha_she_bear Once you see it you cannot unsee it

[@HenryBonesJr]

A parasite is an invading organism that is from an outside source. The host/parasite relationship is one of conflict. One that involves the avoidance of detection, etc. The uterus is naturally ordered to gestate another life of the same species. A baby is not an invading organism from an outside source. The relationship between a mother and baby is one of cooperation. Thus, the unborn are not parasites.

[@misselizabeth269]

Also, by definition, a parasite has to be a different species 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@ronanjm]

@@misselizabeth269 this isn't true. intraspecific parasitism (which AFAIK only happens in broods) exists. the term for different species parasites is called interspecific parasitism. Either way, it's still not parasitism.

[@ssppo4703]

By what standard are babies in utero more "naturally ordered" than worms that live under your skin, or whatever?

[@anemone3694]

​@@ssppo4703 the uterus is an organ whose physiological function is to gestate a developing fetus. The skin is not an organ whose meant to house parasites.

[@firstnamelastname2197]

@@ssppo4703 because your skin, blood, organs are not formed for worms, but can be exploited for that, while the uterus is as much formed for child-bearing and the testicles for planting seed as the intestines are for digesting food

[@vtaylor21]

I don't like the viability argument. We are not viable in space. Does that mean we are no longer human if we go into space?

[@scottgun00]

Exactly. Viability always has been a red herring.

[@k1ng_chicken]

Man, this whole argument is just so messed up. Can’t believe these ‘discussions’ even have to be made.

[@killianmiller6107]

I think it has to do with the subtle selfishness involved in the argument. Pre-viability means that nobody but only the mother can take care of the child, they are wholly dependent on that one woman. Post viability means that someone else can take care of the child, it can be dependent on others without the mother.

[@xxkillbotxx7553]

This is the stupidest comparison I've ever seen. Why waste resources on a fetus when it's not viable in the outside world. I think pregnancies should be terminatable until 22 weeks. I might be more willing to relent on that had conservatoids not made it impossible to receive an abortion in some states because "god doesn't like it".

[@yvonetubla7682]

"yes you turn into a bunch of organs when you go into space without a suit"

[@vinciblegaming6817]

I like post debate reviews because it increases the chances of saying something better in a future conversation 😊

[@milkeywilkie]

Yes exactly!

[@HarveyDangerLurker]

Yes it helps hone the skill and mind.

[@TheRealMagicBananaz]

>Goes up to debate >Throws baseless claims >Interrupts attempts to correct claims >Constructs wild emotional appeal >Refuses to elaborate >Leaves Is there a word for these people? The kind that simply use emotional arguments and either can't, or aren't willing to engage with reason? I'm thinking either stupid or evil

[@Prayingfrog]

"Leftist" perhaps

[@thebitterrootranger4405]

Yes, there is. Fools

[@thebitterrootranger4405]

In the proverbial sense

[@jessicaR4bbit]

Stupidity is always the product of evil, in the sense there is no logic absent of God.

[@philosopher-2007]

@@Prayingfrog I think Leftism actually requires all of those in order to flourish, so that is a good description.

[@CrazyFlyingMonk]

That poor girl who just wanted to ask a question to clarify but got voted out in seconds by the people who didn’t want to hear it

[@graysonguinn1943]

She was flopping pretty hard, didn’t know what a C section was

[@TheLostKing47]

Liberal tactic: don’t let facts or truth enter the conversation, because it makes brainwashing harder

[@felos9274]

@@graysonguinn1943 yea but by God a person willing to make an honest discussion, the fact that she got kicked out shows the ignorance of the others.

[@sophiathesophisticated1383]

"Your baby can drink water on its own!" No...babies aren't supposed to drink water, at least not newborns! She clearly has little knowledge on what an infant even is!

[@hunterkarr5618]

Biology got murdered that day 😂

[@jamestown8398]

Also, babies need to be fed by someone else.

[@kap849]

I mean, she calls babies in the womb parasites 😢.

[@sidwhiting665]

You're never going to win against these people with facts and logic. The truth of the matter is they want to have sex whenever and with whomever they want without any consequences. It's pure selfishness that guides them, and therefore they will not change their minds because that would mean taking responsibility for one's actions. "Me want, so me will get." That's what you're up against. Nothing more complex than that.

[@johnboehmer6683]

I rarely see it exposed as plainly as you have here, yet we all know this is what's really behind the entire thing. Pro-abortionists battle to maintain cheap, empty, recreational sex without consequence. I think because their argument is so easy to destroy for the pro-life side, we tend to stick to the facts in dismantling them. But it's important to acknowledge this is really their motive, to defend the murder of the most innocent and vulnerable among us for no-consequence fornication.

[@journeytoform]

The point isn't to change their minds. It's for the people watching on the sides with doubts about it. Even if they doubt the logic, they will be thoroughly disgusted by the people acting like children on one side of the argument.

[@spencerd8504]

@@journeytoform yes we are not usually trying to convince the 'debaters' but the audience.

[@leahsvetanic]

VERY, VERY WELL SAID! ❤

[@Ken-kb5fw]

Exactly, they don’t want to have to take responsibility for their actions.

[@miagvinjilia]

Dear God that first chick was absolutely insufferable...

[@PodcastZdravéhoRozumu]

Be careful not to take the Lord's name in vain!

[@ivanrenic4243]

​@@PodcastZdravéhoRozumu no, he used it completely legitimately here. Only God can help us with cases like these

[@patricktuorto]

@@PodcastZdravéhoRozumu where did he take the Lord’s name in vain?

[@kbbtt]

@@patricktuortoYou must not know much about theology.

[@kbbtt]

I can’t decide who is worse. The first girl or the blonde boy right after her

[@otimelyofficial8146]

The way the people arguing for abortion acted kind of says more about the issue than words could. The girl at the end attacking him and bringing his daughter into it while she looked like she was about to be in tears is insane. None of those people are of sound mind.

[@oot8089]

She lost and she knew it. Insulting him was her only and last revenge.

[@badmoon5249]

The anger, vitriol, and hatred of these people is off the chart. Kudos to Charlie for keeping his cool in the face of the attacks.

[@mmmrae74]

pretty sure its charlie Kirk and all these fake "christians" who are full of anger, vitriol, and hatred.

[@RoyalPineapple-dk2vg]

Evil hating Truth

[@LWWL-lm7fm]

Yeah but Charlie also needs to tone down the constant interruptions as well. It’s jubilee’s fault for putting them in a hyper aggressive environment

[@RAZGR1Z]

Isn't it interesting how the one topic that sets off women into an emotinal breakdown of rage is the possibility of restricting their ability to murder their own helpless child growing inside of them?

[@hexl702too5]

@@RAZGR1Z You want praise for staying calm while “helpless infants are murdered all around”, and you do nothing about it?…..

[@broco6608]

The attitudes are so childish. If you have a valid argument, there's no reason for insults and demeaning facial expressions.

[@TheRedWaltz24]

This is a good example of how poor our education system is and how Liberal Arts should not be neglected in higher education. These students have no concept of how to form a rational argument, because these arguments are not their own. They are just parroting their liberal teachers, so when they are challenged on a point, their only recourse is to get loud, rude, interrupt, attack the person, not the argument, appeal to emotional non sequiturs, etc. etc... It's not a debate or a sharing of ideas, it is just public mental masturbation whereby all truths are mine and self-evident because I believe them and there is no room for discussion about it; it is the parasite of wisdom. To quote a cheesy 80's song, "what a words for, if no one listens anymore?"

[@mekullag]

yes, that’s what religious people are known for, making up new arguments of their own. I mean, are you serious, what kind of stupid standard for an argument is that? Who gives a shit about originality 😂

[@jonmaster5000]

Sadly, these dogmas were taught far earlier than college. Probably middle school to be honest. That’s why they’re so persistent.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

​@jonmaster5000 Exactly, it's pervasive at all levels. Even common phrases and children cartoon messages such as "Trust yourself" "be whoever you think you want to be" "You can be whoever you want to be" is a negative when taken to their "logical" modernist liberal extreme like all around us today.

[@forrnx.]

Bro actually cooked so hard 😭😭 we need you vs 25 libs next

[@ndibunwapeter9013]

Facts😂

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

I found myself going "Oooo" watching this and imagining their reactions. (Not the healthiest reaction for what's supposed to be a calm, very Morally important, and intellectual conversation I know, but I'll get better.)

[@forrnx.]

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 🤣🤣 real

[@Manny_z_]

Should’ve been him in that seat 😂

[@DrinkYourNailPolish]

The ppl who call an infant a parasite- do they not realize they were infants once too? So by calling a baby a parasite, they are also calling THEMSELVES parasites.

[@RachelDee]

No they truthfully don’t internalize that as part of their origins. For them, it’s similar to how we would say we used to be an egg in that it was integral to a development but not actually our whole individual selves.

[@thepazmaniandevil94]

What the commenter above me said, or self-loathing tends to be a trend with people who uphold ideals like this anyway.

[@LuvNikNac]

@@thepazmaniandevil94I was just about to say this. Why do you think a majority of people dye their hair, get tattoos and piercings? Rejection of themselves.

[@xxkillbotxx7553]

Doesn't make it any less true lmao

[@fein-z9b]

​@@LuvNikNacbet you don't hold makeup to that same standard judging from your photo hahahahh

[@uh-ohspaghettio7826]

The girl in the r*pe point honestly p*sses me off. I have a friend who was r*ped by her then partner, she fell pregnant. The r*pist wanted her to have an abortion and she said no, she wanted to keep the baby (not their first kid). I help look after the kid, I've been there for the kid for her entire life, most days of the week I help look after her and ive pretty much became the male role model of her life. She's the sweetest, smartest little girl and I love her as family. The idea that this absolute witch of a woman suggests that it would have been better for the mother to do what her r*pist wanted her to do and abort that girl actually infuriates me. The hate I feel for that girl to come in, so self-righteous, as if she has the moral right to be outraged on the matter is infuriating.

[@hoordeyah]

deranged way of sugarcoating that you hate the ability for women to choose, but okay. 10 year old girls getting raped and forced to carry out a pregnancy is a totally normal world in your eyes I guess. why don't you conservatives just admit you don't see women as actual people with lives, dreams, prospects and hopes outside of just shitting out babies for men that are weird unloving freaks?

[@avv343]

That’s good for your friend. It was her choice to keep the baby so she did. But the debate girl meant if someone got r@ped and WANTED to abort the child she should be able to. She did have every right to be outraged because Charlie Kirk was fine with a potential pregnant 10 year old girl not being able to abort her child. That’s not right

[@ilovmadsx]

okay, just because your friend's rapist was the one who suggested for the baby to be aborted doesn't mean that there is an immediate negative connotation that goes along with that procedure. It's your friend's OWN personal experience and decision with that step to keep the baby and that's completely fine if she wanted to raise that baby. However, that does not mean that abortion is bad just because that rapist told your friend doesn't make it universally "bad". This situation only applies to your friend (and some other applicable ones) that have similar situations. Other women who have been r3ped and conceived SHOULD have that OPTION of either raising their baby or deciding that they don't. Either because they aren't ready financially, mentally, or simply don't want to raise a baby that they did NOT ask for and couldn't care less about. It doesn't matter if the clump of cells has the "opportunity of life", the woman who is actually ALIVE, that the rape occurred to, should be the priority and only HER decision should affect HER body. It's absurd that people out there actually value the fetus more than the women who have already created a life for themselves and are creating a bright future. Also, forgot to add, that girl in the video wasn't just talking about your average 25 yr old who got raped, it was a hypothetical about forcing a 10 YEAR OLD who got r3ped to give birth, knowing she would be okay. Not only are you stripping away that 10 yr olds life, as in her future, that kid has NO concept of the responsibilities of taking care of a child. She is a CHILD, she wouldn't be able to give consent to that responsibility. Overall, if the legal system doesn't let a minor adopt a kid, why the fuck would you force a child to have a one???

[@ilovmadsx]

Also, forgot to add, that girl in the video wasn't just talking about your average 25 yr old who got raped, it was a hypothetical about forcing a 10 YEAR OLD who got r3ped to give birth, knowing she would be okay. Not only are you stripping away that 10 yr olds life, as in her future, that kid has NO concept of the responsibilities of taking care of a child. She is a CHILD, she wouldn't be able to give consent to that responsibility. Overall, if the legal system doesn't let a minor adopt a kid, why the fuck would you force a child to have a one???

[@uh-ohspaghettio7826]

@@ilovmadsx This was just a long winded, "Abortion is okay because I say so", so I simply have to say no, because a fetus is a human life and I value innocent human life. The only argument you make is if a child be made to have a child, but you don't really care about this argument because if I compromised and said, "Fine, let children be able to abort, but nobody else" you would say no, which means the child aspect means nothing to you on the matter.

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

Prayed for you Trent, your family, and everyone here at Mass yesterday and in my Rosary this morning. Hope you all had a very nice weekend! Happy Batman Day (September 21), and Happy Hobbit Day and first day of Fall (September 23rd). God bless you all.

[@praytojesuschristhelistens6231]

Happy feastday of Padre Pio

[@praytojesuschristhelistens6231]

Happy feastday of Padre Pio

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

@@praytojesuschristhelistens6231 Thank you for being so nice to wish it twice! =) Happy Feast Day of Padre Pio to you and yours as well!

[@sugami82]

That first girl made me facepalm so hard my 18 month old daughter got a headache. She really needs to educate herself. Life starts at conception, this is a scientific consensus. Definition of life is an organism that shows signs of growth, reproduction, metabolism and stimuli to environment. Viability is a dumb argument. As is "my body, my choice".

[@xxkillbotxx7553]

Where's that scientific consensus at? Because "life starts at conception" is a moronic Christian movement that has disgustingly seeped itself into Conservative culture. Would love to see some real papers on that instead of "God says so"

[@jomidiam]

Abortion debates can go nowhere as long as one side thinks of the fetus as a parasite. It's just pointless. I think Kirk failed badly in not pointing out that a parasite is a living organism. I wanted badly to see what her response would have been.

[@onetwothreeabc]

Just about to say the same thing. Parasites are living organisms with their own metabolisms and life cycles.

[@ChunderAsunder]

When he threw her off with the smile 😭

[@spencerd8504]

I don't think he threw her off with the smile...it's more like she choose to use personnel attacks on him because Charlie made a good point.

[@mikecastelluccio7072]

I’d say you’re both correct

[@NoKiniorInHybrydy]

I mean that smile made me crack up, it was a little unsettling 😅

[@leirawhitehart1236]

​@spencerd8504 to be a bit fair on her, though, _I'd_ be thrown off by the smile, even though I'm on his side, because it is rather creepy, unfortunately. 😅

[@microcolonel]

I think the goofy smile is maybe not ideal for this case, maybe he should cringe instead.​@@NoKiniorInHybrydy

[@Heinrich.Denzinger]

WE ARE THE PRO LIFE GENERATION

[@philosopher-2007]

Gen Z for the Babies!

[@ewrock7635]

Not to be the negative Nancy, but have you seen polling on this issue among Gen Z, especially among the women? They practically view abortion as a sacrament. Just another consequence of our ever-repaganizing society.

[@atxkill]

They should be pro-abolition

[@OrangeXenon54]

@@Heinrich.Denzinger Amen!

[@lorenzzorzt]

Amen!

[@patriciagrande311]

Do they still teach biology in college? Such total ignorance. Also, if these same woke college students were discussing IVF, I wonder if they would be in favor of creating life outside of the womb.

[@yugb104]

Not only that, it creates a dillema. If the fetus can survive in another uterus is it now the new mothers choice to abort? Or who can make that choice now? I thought it was her body her choice? although ivf is evil it proves its a seperate body.

[@littleway24601]

When that first girls voice started to crack, I would have pulled a Stephanie Gray Connors and asked “when did you get so passionate about your pro choice position?”

[@isthisdom]

The patience of pro-life representatives is truly astonishing

[@macroglossumstellatarum3068]

The true torture is feminism. It convinced women that a child will take all their freedom. In my experience, it could not be more the opposite!

[@laya4884]

Do you know the definition of feminism?

[@Beekeeper8011]

​​@@laya4884 all the rights and freedoms of a man, with none of the corresponding responsibilities, facilitated by government? Did I get it right?

[@rescuehamster1734]

Its really sad that the only girl who asked a legitimate question was voted out almost instantly. Its really telling of the pro-abortion sides hatred of the truth. Propaganda only. I noticed that all the belligerent guests got to go on their rants and attacks on Charlie with no problem.

[@charsarsis]

Man I'm glad my wife was always smarter than me when I believed in abortion

[@hunterkarr5618]

#humility 👍

[@jamestown8398]

How is your kid doing now?

[@GlobalBricks1]

😮

[@tophergopher9254]

Lord have mercy on them for they know not what they do.

[@palchum1185]

They do, i fail to see how “invincible ignorance” would lead to calling an innocent and helpless human life a parasite

[@lesanon919]

​@@palchum1185unironically it might just qualify particularly BECAUSE she made that comparison. It shows a deep and profound ignorance of the very basics of scientific classification. That doesn't even touch on the moral dimension. Plus that comparison is relatively new meaning her educators whether it's teacher or media, drilled that into her. Her brain isn't engaged at any level here except the most base obedience to authority and emotion. That right there, if not severely reducing her culpability, makes it so she might just be the poster girl for invincible ignorance.

[@scottwall8419]

I don't beleive that they don't know. I think they are hoping to either convince themselves with enough lies or convince enough ither peoppe so they and everyone else can justify their silence and guilt together. Stop giving these people excuses to murder weak people. Your basically giving them an insane or to stupid to stand trial excuse.

[@ggacked08]

my favorite part of this video is that one dude forgetting it aint tiktok and saying unalive instead of kill 😭

[@rosecorcoran]

Is this girl aware that even parasites are living organisms? Parasitic plants, animals, or fungi are still a type of plant, animal, or fungus.

[@johnboehmer6683]

Of the many wildly insane claims made by those three, that one had to be the wildest, and most insane - that the fetus isn't alive. As good as Charlie is at this, I was very surprised he didn't jump all over that.

[@Noah-cm6ek]

Children in the womb are also not parasites

[@odious5317]

It is abhorrently disgusting that these people refer to a baby in the womb as a parasite. They evidently don’t even know what a parasite is. They mostly just argue with emotions & exaggerations & quickly become upset when even slightly contested. They are unready for life outside of college.

[@gregmeyer1805]

It's simply a means to justify their actions. So if you convince yourself that a human is not a human then its loss of life means nothing.

[@Matthew_Prescott]

Hey Trent, I was the guy who asked you for the photo on the flight to Dallas the other day. Thanks for taking the time to say hi to my wife and I, even if it was brief. I didn't think to say it at the time because I was a little "star struck," but I am very thankful for your important work in the field of apologetics. I could have spent the entire duration of the flight picking your brain were we sat nearer, but I think perhaps God did not want to suffer you my incessance, ha ha. And I wouldn't have wanted to steal your time to unwind, anyways, unless it was solicited. My main question actually would have been a scientific one - I would have liked to know if you were aware of Stephen Meyer's work regarding the mathematical improbability of the theory of evolution as an explanation for the emergence of man from single celled organisms? His hypothesis was joined by other secular thinkers such as David Berlinski and David Gelernter. My limited understanding of it is that because we can observe the rate of mutations which drive speciation, we can calculate what order of magnitude of mutations would be required to produce man over a period of time, and the conclusion seems to be that while evolution does seem to explain the differences between species in different environments ("fitness") it would also seem to be inadequate mathematically to explain evolution as the main driver which produced mankind/of intelligent design (due to the seeming impossibility of achieving the number of successful mutations required to produce man over the period of time that evolution was presumably occurring in living organisms). Of course, this doesn't disprove the idea of intelligent design via other currently unknown means, nor does it confirm literal fundamentalist Creationism by any means either. But it was thought provoking, and the information seemed compelling to me, anyways. I would definitely have liked to know what your thoughts on it were - whether you thought it compelling as well, or perhaps lacking - since you have said previously that the Church's lack of position on matters of science was important for you as a convert from Atheism who does believe in evolution. For me, I see the mystery of our creation as similar to the mystery of our transformation at the second coming, the particulars of which St. Paul essentially says (in Corinthians perhaps?) are not really that important for us to know specifically. But, I still very much take interest in it from the standpoint of science, even if it is not an article of Faith. I am not convinced of evolution as it is currently taught and see the specific mechanism of creation as a mystery, but I am an old-earth creationist. Yet my knowledge of these things has been acquired largely in passing, and I am not well studied at this point. My wife would have liked to know how you liked Allie Beth Stuckey, and what it was like essentially going 2 on 1 with her and James White on the Relatable show (which we have watched on occasion previously). We think Allie Beth just needs a little push to be Catholic, but we think that about everyone, ha ha. I also really want to know what James White is like in person actually, but I told myself I would only ask one of the many questions I could have for you. Anyways, I know you may not even see this ever, but either way, thank you for your important ministry and work again. You must know this already, but your work touches many lives. Thank you for being a light in the darkness for many....and stay salty. (Mt. 5)

[@LaserVelociraptor]

"the fetus is classified as a parasite " wtf what is wrong with those people

[@llxmxgaming238]

It's not a "parasite" since a parasite is another species that leeches off the nutrients of its host, but I can kinda see where their false analogy stems from. Since a zygote (the single cell that later becomes a fetus at 5 weeks) has the DNA of the mother and the father (an organism outside of the father's body), the mother's immune system would theoretically recognise it as a threat and try to remove it, but at the same time would try to protect it. It's pretty complex, and I am no expert, but there's a TED-Ed video on it called "The surprising effects of pregnancy"

[@anitra7747]

We all are living in a Post sexual revolutionary world. These young minds have been shaped by concepts borne out of a rebellion against the natural order and moral precepts. As a culture, we emasculated our young men and taught our daughters to rage against the patriarchy. Many Christians have been either complicit or actively engaged in this behavior. It feels like it will take an act of God to convert these passionate young people. I admire their passion. They are just misguided. I feel like Trent has a more compassionate approach. Which we truly need to present for these young people. They view our position as evil, reprehensible and uncaring. The propaganda machine has done a thorough job of mischaracterizing the pro-life message. We have also not done well to impress the love we have for those who find themselves in such precarious situations. Thank you Trent for approaching this with both clarity and charity. God Bless.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Very true and well said.

[@Autismunleashed]

Real. Bring back authority and the patriarchy.

[@ecta9604]

It’s not difficult to view Catholicism as reprehensible and uncaring, to be fair. Remember that Catholic soldier a few years back who was rendered impotent in an explosion, and then wasn’t allowed to marry his fiancee upon returning to the States despite that fact that both of them were still fully committed to one another and willing to make their marriage work and engage with one another to the limits of their capacity, just as many married couples who struggle with paralysis/impotence engage with one another to the limits of their capacity? Trent even wrote about it - he thinks that the church was correct to deny them marriage. I’m not bringing this up to abruptly change the subject - I’m just pointing out that if one doesn’t share those beliefs, the church is often experienced as being arbitrarily cruel. Precepts like that genuinely don’t make this world a better place. They might be correct in accordance with some abstract interpretation of natural law, but the world we’re all spending our time in is worse off for those sorts of things. It’s possible that God wants this world to be worse off for some mysterious reason, and that being deprived of marriage in this world doesn’t actually matter too much ultimately in the face of eternal bliss in heaven, but that’s a very hard sell to people who may not already share Catholic beliefs. And, frankly, given how revered and special and righteous romantic love can be, it should be a hard sell. We shouldn’t be willing to give up romantic love for just anything that comes along - it’s easily one of the most profound and giving experiences we can have.

[@Autismunleashed]

@@ecta9604 By what standard is this world worse off bc the Church refused to marry an impotent man to a woman?

[@anitra7747]

@@ecta9604 that was a very thoughtful response. I do agree that the scenario you put forward is a very difficult one and in that regard I can see a singular point of contention. My experience with the Catholic Church was one of need that they fulfilled. I was 17 and pregnant. They facilitated my adoption. Not only that, but the caseworker went above and beyond in assisting me. I needed a refrigerator for my apartment which she provided (she had an xtra one at her home) and she loaned me her car to use for my drivers test when I turned 18. I was far from being a Catholic then. But years later the memory has stuck with me. The story of God throughout the ages is fraught with difficult stories. Atheists use these against us as Christians as often as they can. But we are willing to work through their difficulties and not throw the baby out with the bathwater. It is an act of faith to trust God to preserve His church. For me, I have to allow God to shape me, and if he chose to do so through His church, why should I protest? As to the case of God desiring difficult times, I think He has a permissive will and allows them to help us to humble ourselves. I don’t think He actively wills them. Like those teachable moments as a parent, one is pleased for the opportunity to teach but one doesn’t actively will to encounter them. As for the couple mentioned in your story, that truly is a difficult teaching but it is congruent with how the church views marriage. I would struggle with this myself, but I submit to the authority and wisdom of the church. I will add the couple to my prayers. Our goal in life is to become saints and to help others to do the same. The story of God is not always an easy sell, or people would be far easier to convert.

[@TheCatholicNerd]

14:06 as a father of a daughter, if she were raped and got pregnant, her baby would not be the person that I would want dead. I know that's un-Christian of me and I pray to God that we are never put to that test.

[@anne.ominous]

@@TheCatholicNerd It’s not unchristian of you to want to see your daughter’s (hypothetical) r@pist brought to justice. Do you believe God is anti-capital punishment ?

[@galaxyn3214]

Fredrick Douglas was likely conceived in gr@pe and yet he went on to become probably the most significant force for the abolition of the "peculiar institution" in U.S. history. His life had value.

[@scottwall8419]

Wow, I didn't know that. That is an amazing parallel. Slavery and abortion advocates use alot of the same arguments to dehumanize babies and slaves so thus just links it more distinctly. You may already know of them but check out abolitionist rising. They are abortion abolitionists and they draw alot of the same parallels in their street ministries for anti abortion conversations. Thanks for posting this, it will come in handy in my conversations with people.

[@hexl702too5]

@@scottwall8419 Women are not slaves either…. They should not lose their individual agency or body autonomy….

[@galaxyn3214]

@J3llybns As Trent and others have pointed out, if the mother's life is genuinely in danger, then it is morally licit to end the pregnancy, even if that indirectly ends the life of the baby, as long as that death is not directly intended under the "principle of double effect."

[@scottwall8419]

@J3llybns we don't punish a man's or woman's kids for thier behaviour in this country. It's morally repugnant.

[@jacobussmit1453]

@@hexl702too5 Nobody should lose their bodily autonomy. Exactly right. Abortion ends the autonomy of an innocent life, and I am glad you and I agree that is wrong.

[@joelpenley9791]

“This displays spectacular levels of ignorance.” You are far more charitable than I would have been in describing this woman.

[@Theebestel]

Love the content Trent! Keep it up all your videos are inspiring and even one of my friends is coming to mass and considering becoming catholic because he saw one of you're videos! Love it, thanks

[@ethanmiller5487]

We tacitly agree to the oppositions frame when we don't ask what they mean exactly like Kirk tried a few times. Viable for what? Choice to do what? Stuff like that. Force them to face reality. This point is nitpicking, I know that, I just can't help myself. I was a Red Cross lifeguard and swim instructor for 6 years. We were told, at that time, to let the flaling person pass out in to water so that we as the rescuer won't drown too. To escape, if grabbed, we were told to swim down. The reason is its safer to wait and help that person start breathing again then it is to have to now save two people. You have a few minutes to help a person start breathing before permanent damage.

[@Groggle7141]

15:41 That woman was never looking for an actual conversation. She just yelled at him and ignored Kirk when he spoke. She just wanted to lecture somebody and prove her moral superiority

[@LateNiteBreaks]

Wake up bby new Council of Trent is up! Beautiful apologetics on a very tough issue, Trent. Thank you.

[@chadrobert116]

I have to thank Trent for this, staying on the topic of "what is a fœtus" or "what(who) is it that we are aborting" really shorten the debates. Either they are okay with infanticide, or they are not. In the moment, they always try to legitimize their pro-infanticide position but getting them to realize that it is infanticide is a very important first step imo. Staying on topic is key because they'll want to scamper off in all direction when the pain of realizing they are pro-infanticide starts to settle in.

[@susand3668]

Thank you for your faithfulness in continuing to defend the lives of these Little Ones of Christ!

[@zuzaninha]

Trent, the other day I was watching Lex Fridman with Gregory Aldrete - an expert on The Roman Empire. I think he was a bit misleading on Christianity. For example, he said that Romans ignored Christians for the first 200 years etc. Maybe it would be an interesting video on this topic.

[@Vic2point0]

Well said. And to further your "Free Boat Ride" analogy, suppose you put the sign up because there was someone named "Boat Ride" who had been imprisoned and you were simply expressing that you wanted them freed. Because your actions caused children to get on the boat, no matter how inadvertently, it still wouldn't justify killing them. People would also agree it was foolish of you to put the sign up and not expect that eventually that situation would materialize.

[@ndibunwapeter9013]

Parker was arguing to win instead of arguing to learn.

[@Jrce11]

Most people do this. Wdym.

[@ndibunwapeter9013]

@@Jrce11 so because most people do it, it's suddenly becomes right?

[@Spartano993]

@@Jrce11the way he words it doesn’t do it justice. Parker is supposedly known for being a “debater” yet all we got from him was speaking really fast for gotcha moments. This was not a productive debate, it was clip farming🤦‍♂️

[@Jrce11]

@@ndibunwapeter9013 considering the format is “VS”, I don’t see an issue with people focusing on defending their view and attacking the opposing view. That’s quite literally what debate is for, attempting to present the best argument you can in favor of a position.

[@tonyl3762]

That's what the format/clock encouraged. Goes both ways of course.

[@cazwalt9013]

What an obnoxious bunch of people

[@User-uf9pl]

Viability is irrelevant Life begins at conception

[@psychcowboy1]

A fetus is alive, however the world is a better place if parenthood is by the choice of two prepared parents.

[@darrionighodaro7914]

@@psychcowboy1so poor people don’t get a chance of life, also you’re getting to area of a eugenics argument

[@psychcowboy1]

@@darrionighodaro7914 We should have better chances for poor people to get ahead, e.g. a chance to own a home.

[@alistairkentucky-david9344]

People always focus on the claim that the fetus is analogous to an "invader" of the mother's body. They never think to apply the symmetrical principle that the mother would then be unjustly enclosing the fetus' body within her. We only look at the one side of the coin. If someone has a bodily right not to have someone else in them, then you also have a bodily right not to be encompassed by someone else. So the fetus would have the right to kill the mother! Absurd. I am actually working on a paper to explore this idea during my PhD studies,

[@PedroBarbosaRoman]

Thank you! Can you reference that here when you publish, would be great!

[@hunterkarr5618]

Creative take

[@slanz1]

@@alistairkentucky-david9344 fyi anatomically, the fetus isn’t inside the mother. The birth canal and uterus is an invagination of the embryologic layer called ectoderm while the fetus is forming. Essentially this portion of the mother’s anatomy wraps around the baby. If the developing baby were inside the mother’s body, it couldn’t come out without cutting into the skin.

[@jaydarlin331]

That last comment made by the female student is vile. He's better than me to keep his composure.

[@kylenewberry8598]

My mom did counseling for a while, and most of her counseling was with women dealing with PTSD post-abortion. Let's not pretend that abortion is like taking a Tylenol.

[@rjsuvakjr]

I saw this the other day and thought this sounded like a Trent argument! It makes me so happy to hear you do a reaction video.

[@ManuelHernandez-xt8pr]

10:30 they wanted to vote her out because she was on the fence on calling abortion murder!

[@highking43]

I know! I felt bad for her since she wanted to have an actual discussion and her peers just shut her down

[@DPtheChristian]

​@@highking43 because this is how the pro-choice community works. They don't want their members to question, reason, and learn. They want them to trust their leaders who are using them.

[@jackloo7233]

The pro-abortion crowd is allergic to learned discussion.

[@16bluegoose]

Your explanations were smart and very informative. Your peaceful delivery was even better. It gives me hope that someday more human beings will see unborn lives as precious miracles that need to be protected ❤️

[@IAmJeka]

I still think you should be the one debating. I like the compassion and knowledge you bring

[@TitusConstantine]

Trent, I’d love to hear your take on "contemporary digital piracy" and its legitimacy, especially with the rise of the “you own nothing” model in digital media. With companies controlling access to information, it’s becoming a complex issue for Catholics trying to navigate moral media consumption. A good starting point could be the lawsuit against Internet Archive for distributing eBooks during the pandemic, which threatens the future of today’s Library of Alexandria. It’s a topic that Catholics don’t really discuss, but I think it's worth exploring. Thanks!

[@dr.tafazzi]

From my rarher thoughrough study on this, piracy fits none of the definitions of theft relevant in the catholic moral philosophy tradition.

[@lesanon919]

I approach it this way. Someone created a product with the expectation of compensation. I desire to experience this product so I make a copy of it. Even though the seller loses no inventory and I might have no money so he loses no sale, it is still theft because I am gaining the experience without the commensurate compensation to the creator that they expected. From that perspective piracy is always a moral wrong. This perspective more specifically applies to media and the issue of the you will own nothing model is more complex but it boils down to the same principle. Instead of piracy as a solution to this model, the most moral way to combat it is through advocacy for a return to the true ownership model. Por ejemplo, instead of pirating adobe suite software in response to their anti consumer and anti ownership practices and perpetuating adobes industry standard monopoly, you support and own other programs like affinity or clip studio paint. The moral reality of piracy as theft is avoided, Adobe's monopoly is challenged, and the subscription model is put to the test by true ownership showing itself to be lucrative and worth pursuing for corporations.

[@TitusConstantine]

@@lesanon919 Valid response on the second paragraph, but I will rebut the first paragraph. "Make a copy of it" is incorrect terminology. In piracy, I do not hack into a secret backdoor on a website and "steal" a copy of an MP3 file. What it's more akin to is me letting my brother play a copy of a video game I purchased or inviting a group of friends over to watch a DVD I purchased. What happens is a friend on the other side of the world legally purchased a copy of the product, and in doing so has the right to share it with whomever he wants, just as in the first two cases.

[@OneCatholicSpeaks]

I appreciate Trent’s concern about commenting on these kinds of videos. I have been there myself I should or wish I said X instead of Y. The one thing commenting on videos like this can be useful is for instructural purposes for understanding the issue. God bless Trent and his ministry.

[@ASqdrnDA]

You should join in one of those surrounded sessions. It'd be interesting and could help people know more about you!

[@arudiga]

Your commentaries are amazing. I’m thankful I found your channel. I bet you instill fear in your debate opponents in the way Copleston “checkmated” Russell.

[@dorakinwarhammer2946]

Charlie is doing amazing work in our colleges.

[@kennethbeckman4914]

I was kind of surprised you didn’t address the argument about IUDs. I would have liked to hear your response to that.

[@hross1991]

Great video!! Thank you Charlie Kirk and Trent Horn!!!!!!

[@jasonpike3375]

Protestant here, I appreciate that Catholics advocate for the unborn. We may disagree on a lot but we can come together on this one issue. Praying in our life we can see abortion banned across the globe.

[@feraligatorade99]

please pray that Amendment 4 does not pass in Florida; it seeks to constitutionalize abortion at any time, for any reason, as a right.

[@kray-zivan609]

Great video! You can adjust the boat argument by saying you found there was a stowaway, who was unable to swim, once out on the lake.

[@juanharold5128]

trent rly bout tha life christian 💯✝✝

[@oldgreg6977]

This made me crack up 😂 he is though a very important voice we need in these times 🙏 God bless you friend stay strong in the faith ❤️

[@jesus_is_my_spotter]

You hit the nail on the head that lies are easy to spout, while truth takes explanation. I run into this engaging in apologetics with Anti-Catholics.

[@sammyking9407]

I like how the gods of yt slap the label on every video that talks about the evil of abortion

[@hunterkarr5618]

Ikr. I may be incredibly naive but I feel like abortion could be defeated in our lifetimes. And I really liken this to abolishing of slavery. But it’s kind of like if it were 1850 and google had to put the info box that slavery is a common practice in blah blah blah. Like are these people going to feel good that they argued for the right to murder babies?!?! You know it’s coming right?!?

[@davethesid8960]

What kind of debate is it that you can vote for people not to engage in the conversation any longer?! And why can't adult humans control their anger?!

[@bigswisschh]

Great breakdown Trent

[@santander335]

Dear Trent, I've really learnt a lot from your channel, it has helped me growth in my faith, especially in the intellectual department. God bless you, your team, your family, and the community that has helped this cannel grow. I'm less than 2 minutes in this video and already making exclamations at how good you are at landing nails in the coffins of arguments (the technology vs moral worth in regards to viability). Thanks God, and the Holy Spirit for putting it so simple, into words, through men of faith like you.

[@apparitionappalachian4591]

If they are talking about how ectopic pregnancy is an abortion it isn’t a viable pregnancy. Abortion you choose to end that life in ectopic pregnancy you didn’t get that choice because nature chose and the baby didn’t make it. It’s so callous to compare abortion with miscarriages. These kids lack so much empathy.

[@micahkunkle]

Trent!! I hope you review the other video Jubilee released where it was 1 liberal vs 20 conservatives. I was in the last 10 minutes of it and debated Dean on abortion (he brought up IUD’s again). Would love to hear your thoughts on how I did! I’m a big fan (even though I’m Protestant)!

[@andrewlamb3585]

KZbin is putting an "abortion health information" link on this post.

[@slanz1]

No one ever talks about the unconstitutionality of Roe, the issue with Blackmun's majority opinion pulling ideas and penumbras out of whole cloth; substantive due process and the fact that there was never any federal push for abortion rights in the 70's. Yet the whole decision was utilized to concoct "rights" that were developed by the judiciary and legislative processes that were not within their purview to do. But, it is clear that if the state gives the right, then the state can take it away.

[@youtubeKathy]

The viability argument is moot, because being attached to and reliant to one's mothers is required as part of all humans development. Its not a step that can be skipped over, and every person alive now was once connected to their mother. So it makes no sense to say this stage is non-human. Like it's optional or something. Its integral to every persons existence. It seems to me like the very fact that the fetus can't survive on its own is all the more reason not to sever the connection.

[@palchum1185]

Wow, I had my doubts about Charlie Kirk, but doing this shows courage and heroism

[@legrandbwana]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't finish the video. Those people are annoying as all hell. Why have a discussion with someone who doesn't want to listen and is just there to spew soundbites? If there isn't a right to life, what good is it to have any other right?

[@janestclair3650]

Folks needs to get Trent Horns book. "Persuasive Pro Life".....he answers all the objections!

[@kagehato]

Thanks! 😊 Just put it on reserve at my local library.

[@Autismunleashed]

Do you know if Trent utilizes a certain view of personal identity? I saw a debate that focused a lot on the meta of animalism vs substance dualism where Trent defended animalism. I’m just wondering if he holds this stance in the book, has changed his stance, or doesn’t mention the idea of personal identity.

[@realbobphilips]

Council of Trent, you've done it again.

[@OrangeXenon54]

Counsel***

[@j2ko1]

This is a great video!

[@glennyskitchen9491]

Why are they so angry? And is their opinion more important than anyone's opinion?

[@OrangeXenon54]

Because deep down they know they’re advocating murder, but they want everyone to soothe them by agreeing with them.

[@TheRedWaltz24]

​@@xmqxs7355 A fetus is a human. It has the DNA of a human, not a dog, cat or any other species. It is not the mother, as it has it's own unique DNA distinct from the mother and father that it will have for the rest of its life. From the moment of conception the zygote has all the DNA it will need to become a baby, it just needs time to grow. The problem is, people speak of a fetus as if it is some other species or just some excess cells of the mother's that at some point becomes human, but this is scientifically false. The definition of murder is the premeditated unjust taking of a human life. Killing a helpless baby, no matter how small, would fit that definition.

[@dariuszgaat5771]

@@xmqxs7355 There was once a mustache man who believed that killing Jews, Slavs, and Gypsies was not murder because they were "subhumans."

[@abhishekiyer2107]

Who cares abt the daughter and her life as long as she is breathing. We have to be pro life and deliver even if the 10 yr may have complications all her life or be mentally disturbed etc. ( This guy will say : "well we will provide her all the therapy she needs" ). Amazing thought process.

[@TrumpOnIce]

I’m glad I never met these kinds of people in college, I feel so bad for them, how brainwashed they sound.

[@user-mv2tg8hc8c]

God bless these gracious debators! I could not handle that first girl’s awful and rude behavior! Pro abortion people have to twist the facts, the truth, and straight up lie to themselves and others in order to be okay with abortion.

[@TradeUniversity10]

Right about everything. Well done. Also, let’s not forget the first girl said the baby is not human…

[@carakerr4081]

Thank you for your commentary 🙏🙏

[@jpanduezadlf]

A parasite is not what she defined as a parasite, though

[@scottwall8419]

She said her defenition is technically correct but she is technically wrong

[@ReederMG]

I wish you responded to the segment about abortion with Dean too, regarding IUDs. Even Charlie said it was the best argument of the bit

[@miroslawturski]

Those young people have completely broken moral compas. Some of them also seem emotionally unstable.

[@tharkun21280]

One of the most frustrating components, in addition to the arguments presented by the young adults, is the condescending KZbin disclaimer "Abortion health information."

[@CatholicElectrician]

If you have to shout your opponent down and stop them from speaking, your position is inherently weak

[@lizacampbell2183]

Charlie ❤ does good work. Thanks for sharing and adding to this.

[@MrMustang13]

I mean they turn to savages defending this issue. I mean truly unhinged.

[@iSophiAletheia]

Yes, Trent you killed it. Thanks.

[@BeckBecky-ei4xg]

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[@BeckBecky-ei4xg]

Only God knows how much grateful i am. After so much struggles I now own a new house and my family is happy once again everything is finally falling into place!!

[@PeterMills-y4f]

Wow that's huge, how do you make that much monthly?

[@PeterMills-y4f]

I'm 35 and have been looking for ways to be successful, please how??

[@BeckBecky-ei4xg]

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[@BeckBecky-ei4xg]

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[@AraceliSpeed]

As always, great job Trent! You have such a great way of explaining things concisely and clearly.

[@heathc148]

The first girl was making stuff up

[@stephenpearson5914]

Thank you Trent for this video. You are very consistent in providing great answers to the latest pro-abortion questions.

[@GranMaese]

You know what's actually creepy? That girls face [harsh but true].