Chasing Legends 282: The Murderous Jacob Waltz

[@artcflowers]

Waltzing Jacob Waltz. All the embellishments make for juicy around the campfire fodder. Thanks for the stories Wayne.

[@lee11111111111111ify]

Mr. Tuttle, Thanks for being a great archivist, for these stories (whether true or not)

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Thank you

[@maikailoa808]

Good story wayne Thanks. Take care Ron

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Thank you

[@spirittalkers4182]

Always enjoy the stories….keep’ ‘em coming

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Thank you and I will

[@susanwaliczek4721]

Very interesting show Wayne !! Happy hunting !!!

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Thank you

[@josefbery3250]

Great knowledge! 😀

[@glennwebster1675]

Hay man..... It's one way to get gold outa the superstitions...... 👍

[@davidj.lebaron709]

Marice Kildare was a prolific writer. He told Apache Jim about the Clevenger Cache, who recovered it.

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Maurice was Toney Richardson and Gladwell Richardson and a few others as well. Very prolific and very imaginative it appears. I have part of his collection.

[@JohnD-bs4qi]

Thanks for this story Wayne! Do you think the skin walker ranch show embellishes like the first season of LOTSM did?

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

It is television.

[@JohnD-bs4qi]

@@legendofthesuperstitionmou969 Good point!

[@MajorCavendish]

Waltz the murdering miner does sound more dramatic than the kindly old man who paid off Julia Thomas’ debts and was allowed to live in her home while he was sick. However, there are still questions about the Mexican that was killed at his home with his shotgun and the miners that he and Weiser shot while working in the mine that he took possession of that still makes you wonder. Great story!

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

That story explains itself if you d read the article. There was no hint of Waltz doing anything wrong in it and the murderer confessed. Authors have taken great liberty with that story

[@MajorCavendish]

Ay, there’s the rub - to quote from Hamlet. I’ve read too much, from Barry Storm, Bob Ward, the Bark notes, and even Tom Kollenborn. I’m currently waiting on Helen Corbin and Thomas Glover’s books to arrive! It’s an itch that’s hard to scratch!

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

@@MajorCavendish prepare to get seriously lost and confused. There’s a bit in both those books that was later found erroneous , that is why they are out of print. But good info in both as well

[@MajorCavendish]

@@legendofthesuperstitionmou969 thank you! I would like to make a Dutch Hunters rendezvous one of these years before I get too old to travel!

[@keithharris7365]

What is the best book about the Dutchman

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Ride through time by Tom Kollenborn is the best start

[@keithharris7365]

Cool thank you I also enjoy each of your shows

[@TheRBW62]

Hi Wayne, You are Wayne Tuttle, great researcher and story teller. Yes this legend is Like Billy the Kid, Doc Holliday and the rest. Dime Store fodder. I am still Bruce Wayne and you Ain't

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

However I am the Dark Hidalgo of the Dons

[@richardminer1863]

Do you think it is possible that Jacob's ore came from a stash he found and not his mine? That he himself spent years trying to find the source and never did? Does not seem he had much wealth over a long period of time, just the last few year of his life had some money? Is there any record of him selling large amounts of ore, or just handfuls at a time? Wonder if the ore was not even from the area, but further north and mined many decades earlier? Seems more likely to me as the gold does not match what is found in the superstition mountains? Your thoughts?

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

It actually matches, but I do think after losing several claims he just was done with filing. The gold was in its ore form when it was recovered from his house

[@richardminer1863]

@@legendofthesuperstitionmou969 I always heard it did not match any known existing mines, hence Lost Mine. If does match a known mine chances are mine has been found and worked? A good assayer can tell you which mine ore or gold came from I've heard?

[@richardminer1863]

@@legendofthesuperstitionmou969 Also heard there were rumors that he buried ore on his property before it was flooded. Any of that ever reported found?

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

@@richardminer1863 Rhinehart dug up what he asked him to retrieve, than for years people dug up all around there. No one found anything else

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

@@richardminer1863 XRF gun can tell you if it’s similar, same geological event.

[@sidneyglosup5892]

Is it Sim Zealy or Sims Ealy?? Is he an author??

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Sims Ely. Author.

[@WhiteSandsMbuna]

Ive been to two guns and the death cave

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Yes, Richardson appears to be the source for its history. He may have completely made it all up to help tourist traffic.

[@patmadden8647]

Tht was a good story. But what was there to gain by saying those thing? As always. Thanks.

[@michaelfercik3691]

All fabled lost treasure stories have so much embellishment through time that it has corroded the story's facts to the point of the rusty opinions camouflage any facts still left in the stories.

[@mikemcchesney2555]

HAHAHA "JAN"?

[@wilfredwachira8068]

One of the most boring narrations I ever saw

[@legendofthesuperstitionmou969]

Well thank you very much , I try very hard.