CHC@CIN: Umpires conduct a rules check in the 6th

[@xplayman]

I think it's pretty cool that while they're arguing the speed gun is still clocking the speeds of the pitcher throwing on the mound.

[@briansierzega]

TechyMark Ha! Nice catch! Didn't notice that till I read down the comments 👍🏼

[@brandenrobichaud2293]

What time?

[@briansierzega]

no regretzky 2:17 ish

[@Rowgue51]

That's actually illegal for a pitcher to do. They aren't supposed to throw warmup pitches other than during the designated periods between innings, or after a pitching change. You can't just start throwing warmup pitches whenever you feel like it.

[@alanhess9306]

@@Rowgue51 No, it is not illegal. If you are going to make such claims you need to provide the rule that makes this illegal. No rule exists.

[@Imexstylin]

The biggest 5 minutes I've wasted in my life lol

[@eddyvideostar]

Eagles Fan: No, it's not. You may recapture this by refraining from tossing.

[@qbaker20]

Don't even get a shout out to Greg Gibson, the home plate umpire, at the end of this one.

[@revinevan87]

ty

[@pwnn00bzorz1]

Watch some 90s (and older) baseball; middle infielders were almost always given the "area" around 2nd base to count as an out (in order to avoid takeout slides).

[@fuckyougoogleplus8667]

+pwnn00bzorz1 Yes...but that is not what happened in this case. He didn't miss (or almost miss) second because he was trying to avoid the slide. He missed it because when he caught the ball, he was a little farther away from the bag than he though, so when he took one stride, he EXPECTED that that would put his foot on the bag. But it came up about 8 inches short. That is why he stutter stepped and dragged his foot toward the bag. He was clearly NOT trying to avoid a slide.

[@kf4744]

+pwnn00bzorz1 Neighbourhood play isn't meant to cover any fielder just running into the 'area' around 2nd base. The shortstop had to be in the vicinity of the bag when receiving the ball... he wasn't though he received the ball and had to go to the bag then throw. Also, he didn't miss the bag intentional out of a safety concern. He genuinely missed the bag, otherwise he wouldn't have tried to drag his toe to the bag. Neighbourhood play shouldn't have been the situation here IMO.

[@Rowgue51]

Yes. They have made takeout slides illegal since then though. And since the entire reason for allowing the "neighborhood" play was made illegal they also adjusted the rules to explicitly state that a fielder must actually touch the base for an out to be recorded. There is no such thing as a neighborhood play anymore.

[@cagedtigersteve]

I don't know what they are arguing....he was clearly out.

[@davidspencer4632]

I think Joe Maddon was saying to the 2nd base ump "you need to stay away from Burger King for a while".

[@pwnn00bzorz1]

Burger King sounds really good about now.

[@Mhult99]

David Spencer lol

[@matteo.1510]

While the pitcher was warming up it said the miles an hour

[@nathanoechsner377]

For everyone who is confused... maddon is arguing that he never stepped on second base, which makes road safe

[@nathanoechsner377]

Ross*

[@Mhult99]

Nathan Oechsner he was safe he never stepped on the bag

[@elijahfugate8219]

Nathan Oechsner but they cant overturn it cause he still went out of tbe baseline

[@patricknoone171]

They can't overturn it cause there isn't a clear view. Maybe he clipped the bag maybe not

[@ry.the.stunner]

He didn't go out of the baseline at all, he just slid past the bag a little, but he was still able to maintain contact with the bag (which is the rule)

[@tonyduell6914]

This was before the Utley rule, so the take out slide was legal.

[@wealthychef]

Instead of keeping everyone wondering, why don't they announce what they are reviewing before they start reviewing it? That would be helpful. Duh.

[@prsguitars42]

You see the 'step'..but what you dont see is the 'drag' across the base.....out...

[@fuckyougoogleplus8667]

This is a perfect example of why baseballs replay rules are REALLY fucking stupid. Whether he missed the bag or not, this was NOT a "neighborhood play." That is when a fielder PURPOSELY misses the bag to avoid a sliding runner. This play was not that. This play as the fielder catching the ball awkwardly on the run, and his initial attempt to step on the bag came up several inches short of the bag, forcing him to try to drag his toe before releasing the ball. That SHOULD have been reviewable. However, if those were the only two angles, it would have likely resulted in the play standing anyway since neither angle definitively showed that his toe drag attempt failed to touch or not..

[@jacobvision1857]

I love the Cubs

[@renardmigrant]

I have no idea what just happened.

[@tiresiaelibellus]

+Martin Gardner The umpires are trying to figure out whether the neighborhood rule applies or not, which determines whether the play is reviewable. On a 4-6-3 double play, umpires do not require the shortstop to actually touch second base. They only require him to be in the neighborhood in order to award the out. Thus whether the shortstop touched second IS NOT a reviewable play. On a 6-3 double play, however, the shortstop does not get the benefit of the neighborhood rule since allowing him the neighborhood would allow him to throw the ball to first before touching second and would hurt the hitting team. Thus whether the shortstop touched second IS a reviewable play. What Maddon was arguing is that this play is more like a 6-3 double play than a 4-6-3 double play because the shortstop was still running toward the base when he caught the ball. Thus the same timing concerns still apply, and the shortstop should not get the benefit of the neighborhood rule, which would make the play reviewable. So when Maddon came out, the umpire told him the play wasn't reviewable. He explained his argument, and he convinced the field umpires. So the field umpires contacted the replay umpires, who disagreed. Ultimately the umpires decided that the neighborhood rule did apply because the shortstop was receiving then throwing the ball at second, which is the situation for the neighborhood rule. So ultimately the umpires decided that play was not reviewable.

[@Rowgue51]

That's not an entirely accurate description of the neighborhood play. I know it doesn't matter much since it doesn't exist anymore, but it bears explanation for the sake of this video. The neighborhood play does not allow the fielder turning the double play to completely avoid ever stepping on second base. What it did was allow the fielder ALREADY in contact with the base to come off of the base early, pushing himself off the base and towards where the ball is coming from in order to help avoid collisions. Even when the neighborhood interpretation was accepted it was absolutely reviewable if he ever touched the base at all. What wasn't reviewable was whether he was in contact with the base at the precise moment he received the ball.

[@robcoop6521]

So you don't need to step on the base? Your explanation is here but wtf? Just be close, it's all good. When did baseball get complicated weird rules?

[@SgvSth]

Blame the bias commentators that were muddling the issue.

[@christian_kentch3852]

no reason to be arguing here.

[@marcjenkins2081]

It wasn't a rule check.

[@mauriceparadise7695]

Go jays go what a team

[@teamchallenge7628]

What does that have to do with anything oldie

[@AttRandyReynolds]

When they have these delays, the math of it starts going through my mind... there are at least a couple of thousand people in the stands, there are probably many thousands watching the game on TV. If there is a delay of three minutes and there are 100,000 people watching, that is 300,000 minutes or 5000 hours of total hours of human delay which translates into over 208 days. So, a three minute delay is like subjecting one person to approximately 7 months of incarceration. I've got to say that at least while incarcerated by a rules or umpire delay, we can at least use the time to do math.

[@xr500t]

This logic has got to go. It's like when companies claim to have a 100 years worth of experience just because they have 5 guys that have 20 years each doing the same job. Neither of which guy has been with that company for that amount of time. But it sounds good, and guaranteed, a crap load of people buy that BS. It's the same a when an auto mechanic Moves from working at a dealership to his own business: Trusted one day and a can't be trusted the next. His level of craftmanship just disappears.

[@stevedandy973]

Time wasted. First of all, the play is NOT subject to review. Second, umpires call a runner OUT on the proverbial "phantom double play" where the fielder with the ball is lucky to have the same ZIP CODE as second base. Give me a break, Joe Maddon.

[@Lance-Stroll]

dude was out. out out out lol

[@nathanoechsner377]

I hate that damn bias reds commentator

[@CousinItt001]

+Nathan Oechsner All teams commentators are bias to some extent.

[@nathanoechsner377]

Ya that's true but most commentators just get super happy when their team hits a homerun or something positive which is reasonable. I'm just saying that if you over exaggerate your opinion while defending your team on a close call it gets pretty annoying.

[@CloroxBleach-qp6uz]

+Nathan Oechsner did you just reply to your own comment. You're the real idiot

[@imfromtheville]

They definitely are biased. I get Reds games where I live so I can listen to them every night. But I still like listening to them though. It's the Pirates TV announcers who are the most biased in baseball.

[@mikestone7651]

You must not have ever listened to the white sux announcer (Hawk Harrelson)...he is, by far, the fucking worst, in all of baseball!

[@nacoran]

Not even close to a phantom touch at second.

[@benchase1925]

I don't understand what happened

[@tigerlilly66]

No one seems to notice what was the real problem on this play. The runner from 1st clearly roll-blocks the shortstop making the throw. That is interference and should have resulted in a doubleplay. The bonehead commentators never even had a clue, but that's not what they're paid to do, the main reason I turn the volume off of games so that I don't have to listen to the talking heads tell me what I can clearly see for myself.

[@LucasDidier22]

pretty sure that rule didn't exist yet. This was last year

[@ry.the.stunner]

This was in 2015, not last year. But you are correct, the sliding rule didn't exist in 2015.

[@Rowgue51]

Even if the rule did exist then it wasn't violated here. The only requirement for a slide to be legal, even under the new rule, is that you end your slide in a position where you can still reach the base. The runner here slid like a foot past the bag and kept contact with the base the entire time. The only rules violation in this clip was the blatant balk by the pitcher.

[@alanhess9306]

@@Rowgue51 What balk?? There is no balk here.

[@alanhess9306]

@@Rowgue51 Forget the new rule. You still could have intentional interference at second base by a retired runner.

[@jerrybrownell3633]

Runner going to second definitely out. Batter definitely safe. Fine Maddon $50,000 for delay of game and suspend him 2 games.

[@oneblankspace4919]

Ŝhould have been a double play. The runner slid at the fielder rather than at the base.

[@Rowgue51]

That rule was added for the 2016 season. It doesn't apply here.

[@alanhess9306]

@@Rowgue51 Regardless of when the new rule was added I think you could still call the batter-runner out for interference by a retired teammate when R1 kicked at the legs of the SS.

[@charliet5832]

this MLB channel even does clickbait...smh

[@edmonton20084]

"Pole"? Did "Bollard" have too many syllables for these people or what? Bobby the Bollard. It even has alliteration... not that these bumbkins would know what that is.

[@1981lashlarue]

Just one of the many dumb things of Joe Maddon.

[@miketheyunggod2534]

Maddon is the most overrated manager in history.

[@KevinConlon69]

You owe me 5:00 of time!!

[@Stevo935]

Maddon crying again? Go figure.

[@cool3929]

Stevo935 Lmao. Sox fan?

[@yootoober49]

baseball sucks so bad due to stuff like this

[@mylittlepitbull3143]

Damn, baseball isn't boring enough where I have to watch these idiots discuss this. This is the second time MLB ran this kind of garbage across my desk. Most likely going to unsubscribe.

[@dailylifeofethan8463]

he missed second base

[@albundy5228]

This is why baseball is soooooooo boring.