Cheap intercooler vs Hypertune - 4age turbo Hilux

Dyno testing Hypertune intercooler with custom end tanks
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[@Garage4age]

A note on this one. All the runs were done with intake temps starting in the mid 20's. (degrees C) None of the tests made it to 30degees before the end of run. As usual, all the other temps were kept close as possible for the tests. So the gains seen are all from increased airflow through the cooler.

[@samtimo3002]

Your intercooler placement is cool, is it hard to pipe up or would it be best to have a front mount, just wondering for my 2.8 diesel build, i like diesels better than petrols but i still think petrols do good like this one, the same with a diesel it just all comes down to tuning and what you put, thats just how i think about it Also im guessing the 4age is a little smaller than the 2.4/2.8 isnt it tho so thats how you got the cooler infront of the radiator

[@Garage4age]

Hey, yeah i doubt you will have room to mount the cooler like that, with the diesel in there. 4a is decent amount shorter. Maybe with some slim electric fans it would be close. It does make the piping nicer and shorter

[@teamatmchiptuning5786]

@@Garage4age what are you using to log and plot the data that you are showing on screen?

[@Garage4age]

@@teamatmchiptuning5786 Im using software to record the dyno screen. real time graphs are uncorrected with no smoothing applied. The static graphs are with smoothing and correction applied

[@thatxrguy9051]

Man.. I really need to pro charge my 4runner shes 190 stock

[@MrAndrius12]

Not many people put out such content :D I was looking for videos on differences between intercoolers, and this is the only video I ever saw where it was straight to the point and actually showed the dyno session, love it! :D

[@TavaresAndres4x4]

Nice and clear test with good results. Cheers from Brazil.

[@AngryHyena]

Tá pensando em por um 4age na cabrita Tavares? Kkkk

[@peterfuchs7822]

Great work mate. Love what you do. Very clever. I envy you for that dyno.

[@saccusgalifinaccus3184]

Great sounding performance love the little back fires

[@shadowsandfire]

I love how the bonnet shakes when she gets on boost :) sounds mad, what a sweet little build!

[@turbostyler]

Hey mate, I greatly appreciate you putting up this video. I had a SR20 that put down 400-500rwhp and did a bit of testing on components as well. I had an ebay bar and plate cooler and it did great for the cost and the application which was predominantly drag and street racing. I also changed the intake manifold from a stock type to a greddy style manifold and discovered that the loss in midrange power offset the gains of the top end and I went backwards on the track. Expensive with the time on the dyno etc, but it was good to see what the outcomes were. I love your little hilux, keep up the great work!

[@Garage4age]

Nice. For sure a lot of people must go backwards using those short runner inlets. Im sure there is plenty of good cheap coolers, just a case of finding which ones mr china did the beast rip off on!

[@chippyjohn1]

Would be nice to see temperature drop across the intercooler. Nice video, thanks.

[@brownsworthy7323]

Proofs in the pudding! Nice work

[@HeeWeiSeng]

Love it!~ Great comparison video~

[@SAMPDrifter1000]

mgp不可以用便宜intercooler

[@HeeWeiSeng]

@@SAMPDrifter1000 fu**！竟然找到這邊！

[@SiroccoSeven]

@@HeeWeiSeng 万岁

[@michaeljamisontigers]

Would like to see what the results would be without a cooler!

[@BEYTEK]

New subscriber here. Love what your doing. self fabrication and testing yourself. This is exactly what I love! keep up the good work.

[@TurboAcki]

I love this types of videos! Thanks!

[@TheDriveByGuys]

Can you test torque gains and hp losses associated with putting different sized restrictors on purpose on the turbocharger? Love the channel I thought it would be cool for the rally guys to see!

[@mitchiegxxr350]

And rallycrossers

[@929cosmodude]

definately ran higher boost to the engine with the better flowing cooler which gave the extra power, same results could be had with a half turn of boost controller, good to see the results though , love these kinda tests!

[@AsitShouldBe]

I really like your project, it rules!

[@thisreallysucksbig]

Thanks for doing all these tests most of us would love to do if we had a dyno😊. Amazing how some small changes can make so much difference.

[@SouthlandFlyer]

I recently put a hypertune cooler on my mirage, I was previously running a cheapo core and would frequently see IAT up in the 50's even on low boost if the day was warm. The fins internally were pretty basic and didn't give a huge amount of surface area to provide the heat transfer. Even water spraying the intercooler wasn't that effective and I assume because the weakness was inside it. The hypertune cooler has an offset fin design inside and much more surface area. IAT is now down to around 10 degrees above ambient even on high boost. Winning! Definitely worth the upgrade

[@SouthlandFlyer]

Also noting that the tube and fin design of the hypertune allows much more air to pass through the core rather than blocking it, this has helped my coolant temps as well. The bar and plate design of the old cooler diverted a lot of air from passing through the core.

[@Garage4age]

Nice, agree with all your points. although my cheapo one had decent amount of fins inside, and actually cooled ok. but the cores themselves were quite thick. so the internal diameter was quite small, even though looked like a decently wide core from the outside. i can say it was built solid if anything else, i crashed truck into a tree some time ago and it hardly marked it. front of the truck will probably fall off now

[@anomamos9095]

Notes on being cool. A heavier cooler will initially cool better but will eventually heat soak. If you’re doing a drag race where you get to cool down this can be a good thing but for all other applications especially diesel it is not. The pressure drop across the cooler can be the result of two things other than leaks. First is the restrictions in the cooler causing pressure to build up on the input, this is the most significant cause next to a leak. Second the cooler doing its job colder air is denser so the pressure will drop, a very small drop indicates a very efficient cooler. Cold air intakes are an absolute must. The air under the hood even with it up is not a consistent temperature, you can get gusts of hot and cold air that can mess with your tune. Not to mention that the less heat going into the inter cooler means the less heat coming out both through the intake and through the engine bay.

[@Garage4age]

It usually runs an airbox in front of the turbo. but for these tests i run it without, as its a known restriction that i haven't decided how i want to fix yet. Yep I would assume the pressure drop across the new intercooler is from the air being cooled. old is definitely a cork. can tell this just by measuring the id of the cores and working out the area. its questionable even before factoring in the internal fins

[@anomamos9095]

@@Garage4age . I’d get a bucket or something to duct the air to the turbo from outside the engine bay for testing. What gets sucked the turbo in can vary in temperature a fair bit depending on how the wind blows around the vehicle and when cooling fans kick in.

[@AiCsTyLeZ]

Every time nice to see your videos and comparisons with measurements 👍 exzellent work 💪👌

[@littlereptilian7580]

Hello, Do you have a video with and without an intercooler?

[@180sxdeano]

yep, just got a PWR cooler, its funny to see so many people overlook the intercooler, going a cheap one, seen a lot worse than what you showed here, yet spending a few hundred more on a cooler can make a huge difference

[@Garage4age]

Yeah, Running these 2 at bit higher power level the gap would start to widen.

[@terryloweh]

Sorry if it’s a stupid question but Was there a difference in terms of intake air temp for the cheap vs the expensive intercooler?

[@Garage4age]

The cheap one cooled fine, just flow wasn't good. All the runs I started at 24-25c and none made it to 30c by the end of run. I'd say the new one will shed the heat better when under load for longer than dyno run though. So yeah can say all the gains seen here are from the airflow alone, not the temps.

[@sepg5084]

@@Garage4age what about the impact of the end tank designs?

[@faizalmohd9536]

@@sepg5084 the design obviously affect the flow.

[@Garage4age]

@@sepg5084 Partly why i made my own tanks. Making something without too many sharp turns, without adding too much volume was the goal. If you mean I should test some different designs, probably wont happen. time and budget wise out of my league. stick to good design and will work.

[@poptartmcjelly7054]

I expect it would on longer pulls and not because the core is better but rather that the airflow doesn't have a way to spread out. This way most of air flows throught a narrower section of the core right where the intake points and effectively acts as if the core were a smaller size.

[@mrln247]

Dyno suggestions, if you still have the old cooler would you be up for testing bare Ali Vs Black? And possibly DIY water cooling with windscreen washer and some cooling fans running. I do like stupid cars particularly the all go no show variety.

[@johncrow5552]

If the length and diameter of the tubes are the same, then the fluid losses will be the same. Air does not care if it is flowing thru a cheap or expensive cooler. Any difference would be down to end tank design and it is interesting to note how much they make.

[@psyolent.]

ROFL at 4:49. good work mate, good to see the old 4AGE punching out the numbers. built one years back with the later GZE pistons and 42mm ; but never did get to strapping on the turbski. what ECU are you running on this? i went backwards and put a holden 5 litre in my RN105 ; but the torque is great off road. what bellhousing are you running and are you running a G box or R box?

[@Garage4age]

Runs a link ecu. w56 box

[@HnRJack]

Really enjoy this stuff mate, thank you

[@MJPilote]

Would be interesting to know how much is from the core and what from the better end tanks. The old ones look a bit flow restricting and can cause internal turbulence. Very interesting test!

[@Garage4age]

Agree would have been interesting to test the tank design on same core. couldn't justify the fab work to do it though.

[@pinderwagen]

Love your videos. Just wish you had RPM instead of road speed on the X axis. I`m guessing it`s a limitation of your dyno ?

[@Garage4age]

Rpm is at the top of the graphs. Can't do the real time with rpm unfortunately

[@jareknowak8712]

Windy weather today! :)

[@Garage4age]

slight breeze in the garage

[@zazzn]

That's great, but what's the cost old vs new? I mean 10KW is great but if you are saying 4x the price between the two. I'll take 10KW less all day thanks ;)

[@ax-50]

If you're watching this using headphone with high bass (and i mean the ones that shakes your entire body) it sounds like a diesel when on low rpm

[@pigeonsil240sx]

only thing would be cool to see the cold side/hot side intercooler temps and see how well they are cooling charged air

[@Garage4age]

They were both mid- high 20's (c) at end of run from memory. didn't have pre sorry.

[@battleshop3580]

If you want some statistical testing to validate things systematically, I am a statistics major and love cars. Would be a fun project for me.

[@ebbonemint]

Just unboxed my $93 intercooler, actually seems pretty decent, I really don’t want to drop $800 on a brand name IC lmao

[@svinkuk2652]

that thing sounds like a snowmobile lol

[@darwonboyful]

Excellent result. That hypercube cooler really performed well. How did you go with temps?

[@Garage4age]

Air temps were about same between coolers in these tests. i started the runs at the same temps - mid 20's and none of the runs made it to 30c. so the gains are from airflow alone. im sure if put it under load for longer, the hypertune would come out on top for that as well.

[@TMRDAM]

I'm trying to understand one thing: is the MAP sensor for the ECU placed before or after the intercooler on your car? What I'm thinking is: with manual boost, without adjusting it, of course between the coolers you'll see a gain with the better one due to higher pressure (and if the MAP is after the intercooler the ECU is even, maybe, providing better timing and fuel for the condition). But with closed loop boost control (as many modern cars have) and the MAP placed after the intercooler (as almost every car have) there will be any gain at all? Indeed the turbo should work less and this could be already a way to increase efficiency due to reduced pumping losses.

[@Garage4age]

In this case bumping the boost up so map is the same. power results would be fairly close. the cheap cooler is still doing ok ish at these power levels. but can see its on its way to becoming a big restriction. if ran the tests on an engine making another 50kw would likely start to see a significant loss. more pressure loss the intercooler has, the more pre cooler pressure and will be more exhaust pressure. so things will start to go downhill fast.

[@rsporsche]

I 've been watching the Speed Academy Supra vs R34 build where they got Vibrant to do the charge piping on the Supra and I thought their logic of smaller pre-intercooler piping and larger post-intercooler piping was a strange one. I'm guess it makes very little difference at all but curious if you have done any testing on different charge pipe sizing particularly with respect to throttle response.

[@Garage4age]

Not something Ive tested. I doubt it would be measurable either. unless very significant change in volume.

[@Manuqtix.Manuqtix]

You should’ve taken temperature readings before and after the intercooler aswell

[@Garage4age]

I had post on the ecu. start and end of the run were basically the same temp between the coolers. Had the same thing on a friends fd rx7 a couple of days ago. 2psi pressure drop at only 10psi, but cooled fine. im sure not all cheap china coolers are created the same. but need to oversize them (more rows or thicker) to get any decent flow out of them

[@pablin123]

Great videos keep going!!

[@BADDTIMES]

a drift car that sounded like this would be insane

[@Garage4age]

Just so happens the engine in the hilux used to be in this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaSZo3ijh8d-Zrc

[@BADDTIMES]

@@Garage4age Oh my fucking god dude that's unreal!! hahah i just did a full rebuild of my 4age over on the gotime channel and went to a link and i gotta say your car makes a turbo for my ke70 very appealing

[@fromneverland5545]

Was so clear , love it

[@feral4mr2]

Love them 4ag sounds

[@650jdb]

Best truck

[@s4060]

Awesome work! I’m surprised at the results. Honestly. Good intercoolers are about repeatable results. Bet you can push that new intercooler time and time again and it will give you good cooling every time. GREAT fab on the end tanks. That makes or breaks an intercooler!

[@oikkuoek]

A Hot Rod. Number 3, perhaps?

[@tymbarkpawel]

Hai great video, what is cost of build own dyno?

[@jeymidinckal2638]

Nice video Was there a afr change between coolers Or extra fuel added to maintain the original afr between coolers

[@Garage4age]

pretty much same afr, not enough to change the power output.

[@jeymidinckal2638]

@@Garage4age thank you for the reply

[@Overspecperformance]

Can you give me any advice of suspension setup using factory leafs on a 1985 4runner, ps: great video as always

[@Garage4age]

depends what you want to do with it? factory setup was way too stiff in mine for offroad. making it soft enough i ended up with all the axle wrap. so went link and coil setup

[@jayday4879]

what a machine

[@hydrocarbon82]

Am I mistaken that you're actually comparing 16.1psi to 14.5psi in the manifold? If you're controlling boost based on pre-cooler pressure, then it's really only a pressure drop test. Controlling manifold boost levels shows what people really want to see - how running a lower pressure ratio for the same boost makes less lag & more power from less heat.

[@Garage4age]

yep. i done it this way to test the intercooler itself. All those things you say are an effect of pressure drop.

[@TinkoMollov]

Do you have any idea what core hypertune actually use? OEM or some specific brand? Also is it a bar and plate or fin and tube? I’m not aber I see it very good from the video Thanks in advance

[@Garage4age]

Tube and fin. Not sure where they are made, probably china like everything else. The finish quality on it wasn't as good as i was expecting.

[@plamenpavlov8943]

Greetings from Bulgaria!I am really interested in your videos,but can I ask you to speak a litle bit clearer ,with that music is very hard for me to understand what are you explaining.And I am not even talking about the accent ... ;)

[@Garage4age]

roger, I did screw up the sound on this one a bit also. Editing software kept crashing on rendering, so couldn't fix. is what it is.

[@hondatrix]

Try building a charge cooler with icebox from the old core...

[@negativeindustrial]

W2A cores are very different than A2A cores.

[@dee1089]

i would love to see the temp diofferences too

[@Garage4age]

I ran the tests at the same starting temp, around 25c. there wasn't much difference in temps by end of run. the cheap cooler cooled fine. just was starting to run out of flow

[@RobertsChannell]

really interesting , what are you using to control boost ? it works well .

[@Garage4age]

"Low" is wastegate pressure. "High" is just the usual 3 port mac valve being controlled by ecu (link g4)

[@RobertsChannell]

@@Garage4age thank you.

[@capnthepeafarmer]

I don't understand the difference between run one and run two? How are you measuring the boost drop?

[@Garage4age]

Only have 1 pressure sensor on dyno. so done a run pre, then another post intercooler. Confirmed manifold pressure was the same on both runs, with map log on ecu.

[@cheesybear2215]

What do you have done to your internals to handle the power? Busy building a 4age at the moment

[@Garage4age]

pretty much stock 4agze spec with some arp bolts

[@Mymerguez]

New cheap cooler vs original cooler? Sorry i'm french and i don't understand all video

[@Garage4age]

cheap cooler is the one i put on the truck when i built it. hypertune cooler is the new one I tested. I built the end tanks myself

[@lewytaylor8974]

hey man how did u modify the bell housing

[@gajiraanorimaki]

wow !! , you found that with more pressure you get more torque and power ! .. : you are a True Genius !!! (uahahahaahahahaa...)

[@bajkerjohnvolta]

So what is price diference for 10kW (13.6hp) gain, in intercolers. Is deecent diference, you probably notice that a bit on throttle response.

[@Garage4age]

From memory the cheap one was around 200nzd. hypertune core alone was 500nzd. If wanted to add in the parts and time to build the tanks, it would be well over double that. so yeah, If were on a budget get a cheap cooler that has more rows and or thicker. but will be taking a hit in weight and available space. I'm sure not all cheap cores are created the same either

[@bajkerjohnvolta]

@@Garage4age well yeah, so preety decent jump in price, for not so great HP boost. Yeah, as u said, if u have money is worth to but good one, otherwisr, dont waste money. Good video.

[@Garage4age]

@@bajkerjohnvolta remember its only a 1600cc, so 10kw not bad. gap would grow more at higher boost, since wasn't a lot in it on lower boost runs. But yeah size accordingly to power

[@bajkerjohnvolta]

@@Garage4age true that

[@dan4age]

@@bajkerjohnvolta there will a bigger difference the higher you push boost

[@mikeA292]

That is a mean hilux

[@michaelblacktree]

Very cool. 👍

[@xsduprwd3937]

Sir are those ruc's up to date? 😂

[@gilakail]

Please show the hp and torque gain too, not just boost pressure differences

[@Garage4age]

shows it at end

[@gilakail]

@@Garage4age I am sorry, my bad. I am not used to seeing kw for power. You got a very good comparison there, 10kw=13.4hp. Thanks 👍

[@rickylah69]

how do you measure the pre-ic PSI and post-ic PSI?

[@Garage4age]

Just using the dyno map sensor, connected to a port on intercooler pipes

[@JackoTJK]

A test that shows that extra boost at the manifold increases power. Pretty amazing... The test should be with a controlled manifold pressure so drop isn't a thing. Who runs boost by measuring pre-intercooler? Both tests should be targeting the same MANIFOLD pressure to show any ACTUAL difference. If a cheap intercooler has 1.5psi of drop just wind it up until it hits your target at the manifold. Air temp and heat soak are the main things

[@Garage4age]

If you look at the graph at the end, there is a clear difference in power at basically the same inlet manifold pressure, for near 10kw. winding the boost up to reach the boost same boost target in the manifold, on a poor flowing intercooler will also increase the exhaust pressure. so same boost in inlet manifold and more exhaust pressure will result in power loss due to everything having to work harder, over a good flowing intercooler. air temps where the same with both coolers.

[@JackoTJK]

@@Garage4age 1 psi extra over 16 is 6%. 10kw more 203kw is 4.9%. For 5 % more boost you made 5% more power. Do you see why it bothers me? Seeing that it makes more boost at the same duty cycle or boost tee clicks doesn't show the full story of which is better at a given boost. I understand the issue is backpressure and pressure drop where a better cooler will make more boost and will make more power at the same boost pressure shown in mph increases at a strip but this test doesn't completely show the impact at a given boost pressure. I will argue that until you have a run with the red in line or slightly over the blue for less power this isn't an apples to apples comparison

[@Garage4age]

I dont get why you need to know anything else. the test clearly shows one intercooler is more efficient than the other. At these power leaves sure, can just turn the boost up so more makes it out the other side, on the poor flowing cooler. but why not do it on the better flowing cooler as well?. Then keep going till the turbo and engine are at the limit, the better flowing cooler will come out on top every time. more air density going into engine from the same amount of work from the turbo. The test shows the trend of whats going to happen at higher power levels. I assumed most people would figure out it would get worse at higher power levels.

[@JackoTJK]

@@Garage4age So that guys running 200kw don't think an expensive intercooler is going to make an extra 10kw at the same boost level. Think of this as your advertising 10kw gains from bolting on an expensive intercooler. Put an expensive intercooler on when you're limited by boost cut? You're still limited by boost cut with minimal gains. You don't see why it needs to be the same boost level but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be.

[@JackoTJK]

@@Garage4age If you're running an extra degree of timing because of the expensive intercooler and pick up 10kw however...

[@TotoGeenen]

Awesome!

[@familyman8644]

Is that the same engine in my 97 corolla?

[@Garage4age]

This one is from an earlier model corolla. early 90's

[@garage4k989]

Are your guards a different colour to the rest of the truck?

[@Garage4age]

Its all white bro. dunno what you talking about.

[@garage4k989]

I don’t like it

[@hoasco5599]

White is white. What's not to like?

[@garage4k989]

1972 Toyota hiace was a good year for white

[@lxopenfirexl7007]

Most likely just faded over time,i see alot of hiluxs like this

[@euanbegbie]

Did you not measure IAT difference?

[@Garage4age]

Yes, IAT's were the same. see my pinned comment at the top

[@griplimit]

@@Garage4age you measure air temps pre and post intercooler?

[@Garage4age]

@@griplimit Only post

[@dimitriakrum4101]

what gearbox do you use?

[@Garage4age]

w56

[@KM-xp1pn]

10kw for the cost is not worth it with my CA18DET I put a old exhaust cam on the inlet side and adjustable cam gears for 110 bucks off ebay I got 50hp and it's been running for years had the car since 2000. Still nice vodand seem like ya car packs a punch bit of a sleeper and bush basher.

[@Garage4age]

Nice. Part of the change, was setting it up so i can try other stuff in the future. now have removed known restriction.

[@KM-xp1pn]

@@Garage4age I agree always best to do one thing at a time or you never know what mod gave you power or just looks good will keep watch your videos only just found them enjoy.

[@johncholmes643]

Metric Horsepower is a lot lower than SAE, I bet in metric countries the cars are underpowered

[@Garage4age]

next time I'll put the numbers up in watts instead of kilowatts. 200,000watts would look more impressive than 272hp

[@johncholmes643]

@@Garage4age Lol I was so being a douchebag

[@Garage4age]

@@johncholmes643 Same, I put some nice conversions in an upcoming video. including questionable units such as unicorn's and BHP 😂

[@dirkdiggler9082]

Wouldnt you just do a flow bench test and see the cfm difference than to punish your engine for dyno runs??

[@Garage4age]

I dont have a flow bench or know of anyone in my area with one. plus nothing beats testing on the vehicle. Engine has done over 300 full dyno runs. If an engine breaks with a few dyno runs, its either not strong enough. or tuned bad.

[@dirkdiggler9082]

@@Garage4age Yea true,but you know what i mean.Good work anyway

[@jacksonbermingham2168]

how much oil was the old intercooler?

[@Garage4age]

?

[@turbostyler]

@@Garage4age I think old mate was referring to blow by which is usually plumbed back into the intake and cakes the internals of intercoolers. I doubt that you'd probs run your crank case gasses back through your intake with such a heavily modified engine and would instead run a catch can or just dump them to atmosphere.

[@Garage4age]

@@turbostyler Haha yeah. to answer the question, there was no oil in the old cooler. yeah it runs a catch can setup

[@garage4k989]

Nice

[@Garage4age]

nice nice

[@bandini997]

if temps were the same, where is the magic?

[@Garage4age]

flow. cheap one way more pressure drop.

[@bandini997]

@@Garage4age how? When temperature drops, pressure drops too

[@Garage4age]

@@bandini997 will always be some pressure drop due to change in temp yes. but most of the drop on cheap cooler is from being restrictive. where is the small drop in pressure seen on the hypertune core would be from the temp.

[@bandini997]

@@Garage4age its clear now 😎

[@suzukisport1]

Greetings from Russia

[@Garage4age]

привет мой странный друг судзуки с родины, желаю тебе хорошего дня. Наилучшие пожелания из страны длинного белого облака

[@jakubtrzpis2595]

nice

[@garage4k989]

Nice

[@Garage4age]

Nice

[@bjones5240]

looks to me like hypertune is a big waste of money consider the difference between the two...

[@DP-nr1hz]

Ded @4:48

[@poeyd9624]

Not 1 bit of difference , expensive hobby

[@YourMom-vl2sp]

These aussies have all the fun.

[@Garage4age]

New Zealand!

[@randomshawny2045]

What ecu you are running?

[@Garage4age]

Old link g3/4