Cheap Table Saws: Blade Guard EXPLODES!

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Evolution R255TBL+ available here: shop.evolutionpowertools.com/collections/table-saw/products/evolution-r255tbl-next-gen-jobsite-table-saw-with-28t-multi-material-blade use Promo Code RAGNBONE to get a free 255mm fine wood cutting blade (add both items to your basket and the blade will be discounted) Evolution R255TBL (standard version) shop.evolutionpowertools.com/collections/table-saw/products/evolution-r255tbl-portable-jobsite-table-saw use Promo Code RAGNBONE to get a free 255mm fine wood wood cutting blade (add both items to your basket and the blade will be discounted) Rutlands Table Saw www.rutlands.com/products/table-saw-255mm?sca_ref=6981815.eubFHDqRli62 If you'd like to buy anything from Evolution or Rutlands please use my promo code/link - it helps me continue to make videos like this one. As an affiliate of Evolution Tools and Rutlands, I may earn a commission from any qualifying purchases. The Time I Got Scammed Doing A Giveaway: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4vcenubqayGbdEsi=uaeL_0Md_4nICze5 0:00 Intro 0:41 Build Quality 1:03 Insert Plate 2:10 Crown Guard 5:48 Size & Weight 6:19 Measurement Scale 6:58 Angle Adjustment 7:18 Mitre Gauge 7:42 Sliding Table 8:01 Outfeed 8:15 Similarities 9:40 How Loud? 10:34 Blades 10:56 Power/Cut Speed 11:34 Cut Quality 11:45 Arbours 11:56 Riving Knife 12:22 Cable 12:31 Brake 12:53 Manual 13:02 A Big Fault 14:46 Prices 15:09 Evolution Saw 15:48 Rutlands Saw Want to be a CONTENT CREATOR like me? I have an online Content Creator Course - featuring 2 hours of content covering video ideas, thumbnails and titles, monetisation, filming, editing, FAQs, sponsors, earnings and loads more! Includes exclusive access to a forum where you can share ideas or ask for help, advice or feedback from a community of other video creators. Available now at bit.ly/b_h_c_c_c

[@thegreatfentoni4397]

I have just bought the Evolution with the free 60T blade (using your code) based on your review. Many thanks Keith. 👊

[@PeterAlanJohnson]

code currently not working, I'm afraid

[@RagnBoneBrown]

​@@PeterAlanJohnsonit is, I just tried it. Add the table saw and blade to cart and then insert the code

[@PitStopCrew]

it is - just used it! Christmas Eve too…..

[@revbobuk]

I'm the chair of the Swanton Morley Men's Shed, and even if the reviews were mixed, we're very grateful for the saw! Thanks for the shout out.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

@@revbobuk cheers Bob, will be in touch 👍

[@HappyDaysNI]

Hi Rob. I’m Secretary of Rostrevor Men’s Shed in Ireland. You are lucky to have a generous donor so close by. Up the Shedders!

[@musthavechannel5262]

Pretty impressed by the rutlands customer service responding and solving the problem.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

They were responsive

[@geoffreycoan]

I thought it was decent customer service as well to include detailed information and photos of what needed to be adjusted - far better than many other customer service responses you see. Unfortunately the product still lets them down

[@ravenation8756]

I used to shop Rutlands quite a lot and they have really gone down hill in both product and service quality. Bought a "premium" mitre gauge to use in T Track that they supplied. The guide bar was 1.2mm taller than the track slot depth meaning it stuck up above the track and, ultimately, the table. Emailed them and they basically said I had set it up wrong (I've got 4 or 5 other sets of tracks and mitre gauges set up across other tables with no issues). Then when shown digital caliper readings of the track depth and bar thickness they offered to replace it with another mitre gauge (if I sent the other back at my cost). Asked them to measure the bar depth and it was STILL too tall for the slot and would present the SAME issue.

[@woodster66]

Their customer service is second to none, I've emailed them on a Sunday thinking I'd have a reply one day in the week maybe, but no, I had a reply within the hour, really impressed with that!

[@danderth]

I appreciate this budget review so much, not because I'm interested in buying either of these, but instead because it helps me understand the shortcomings of the budget saw I already own.

[@imaginitivity7853]

I was thinking to buy a £100-150 saw, but I can see why I'd quickly regret doing so after seeing the features and design of these. Unfortunately the evolution is beyond my current budget and in any case sells widely sold out. No doubt new stock will be priced yet higher

[@dougggiereid]

Wow, that throat plate is really bad, but the blade guard is an absolute shocker and a deal breaker. Glad you were not hurt.

[@john_beardon]

Jesus. That Rutland should be recalled just because of the crown guard. That's an absolute disaster waiting to happen. It doesn't matter what the manual says, it shouldn't be possible for that guard to hit the blade under ANY circumstance. Glad you were OK. That could have ended up very badly. I have the Evolution saw and am extremely pleased with it. After seeing this, I am so glad I didn't go for the Rutland despite a bunch of recommendations from KZbinrs who are obviously sponsored and completely glossed over some very obvious flaws in their reviews.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

I don't think anyone is sponsored by Rutlands, I suspect at the most they might have an affiliate relationship (as do I). I think that maybe for newer table saw users who have nothing to compare it to it may well seem like a decent low cost option, but for me if I only had a maximum of £300 to spend, I'd look for something secondhand or save up for the Evo+

[@ravenation8756]

The Evolution appears to be a budget version/clone of the Bosch Professional GTS 10XC (sliding table, extending body fence, onboard tool storage etc) but using budget parts. I had a 10XC for years and it was a superb saw so if the Evolution is half the saw then it should still be decent. Longevity of motor/brushes will be interesting to see. I now have the Axminster AP254SB cabinet saw as I needed more precision and the ability to run a dado stack, as you'd expect it's on another level to these jobsite saws.

[@willwoodvine143]

I've just treated myself to the R255BL+ - Black Friday discount and the free blade code is still active! Many Thanks and continue with the videos - love 'em!

[@Dalbayob69]

Great video. I have a Evolution mitre saw that I got on marketplace for just £60. Was barely used and came with 2 blades. Been using it for over a year now and can’t complain. Perfect for home use.

[@colingoode3702]

Great review Keith. Light DIY tool user here. By comparison to my 20 year old Power Devil these two table saws are positively luxurious. I never liked the fence on the Power Devil from the day I got it & have only used it for rough cut jobs where accuracy was not required. I have a Evolution mitre saw already & this Evo table saw looks to be the better of the two here by some margin. The Evo looks a fare bit bigger than my existing saw so if I can find space for it I may well get one for an early Christmas, birthday & fathers day present to myself.

[@Jan1967]

Thank you Keith for your detailed review. I bought the Evolution two months ago. The only thing I could complain about was the long delivery time of over 6 weeks and the fact that the hose on the crownguard is very long and weak. But so far I'm very satisfied. Keep up your brilliant videos.👍

[@bareallotment7391]

thank you for the review i was look at both of these machines decided to go for the evolution and a nice free blade cheers

[@ciderfrom11]

Thanks for reviewing these… I’ve been thinking about getting a table saw for a while now, and have ordered the evolution on the strength of this video. You’ve shown it to be exactly what I need, and thanks for the free blade code. Keep up the great work and videos.

[@morganog37]

Just ordered this with the additional blade using your code, thanks so much👍

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Enjoy!

[@garywedge4324]

I purchased the Rutland saw a few months ago having seen a recommendation by another KZbinr. I have had exactly the same experience with the blade movement and blade guard. The procedure described here has helped but begs the question should you have to! In addition my scale on the front of the saw is peeling off. I would say this review of the Rutland saw, based on my experience, is fair and accurate.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Thank you 👍

[@lukewilliams2700]

I also own the Rutland saw and couldn’t agree more 👍🏻

[@gourdarchibald6588]

Love your integrity and honesty, keep it up Keith.

[@fifthman426]

Thanks for the review Keith - very grateful as I was seriously considering the Rutland after seeing another review elsewhere on KZbin. But having seen your review I went with the Evolution and made use of your Promo code - delivered next day so now to get it set up and ready for use!

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Glad it was helpful!

[@frednoble3547]

Ive been considering the evolution for ages. Missed out on uour giveaway, but youve convinced me its the right product for me!

[@mickcawley4797]

This video has been incredibly useful as these were the 2 saws I have been considering and although I was already leaning towards the evolution, mainly because rutland didn't sell a mobile stand, this detailed video has sealed the deal for me. Thanks.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Glad I could help!

[@thewoodjunki]

So glad I never bought that Rutlands saw. The Evolution was out of stock at the time so i bought the DEWALT. At least your honest fella.. top job 👌

[@markpullen61]

I have an old evolution mitre saw which is still going strong. Just bought the evolution shop vac R15 very impressed with that. I like to buy British if I can afford too so evolution will be the choice for me when I upgrade my old Ryobi table saw. Thanks for the video it was very informative as always

[@TheWardagh]

I bought the rutlands about 6 months ago. They shipped it to me in Ireland and it arrived smashed to pieces. Got a replacement and also had the blade tracking issue. Also rather frustratingly I find the blade won’t go fully to 45°. I still use it a lot and it does the job for me. Thanks for the review.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Thanks interesting feedback

[@ianvicedomini2648]

Very interesting video Keith. I brought a McAllister mini table saw which I've had for a few years and for the price, I didn't expect a great deal from it. The only argument it has is blade swivel, no height argument at all . Good job it wasn't the basis for purchasing it at the time 😅

[@gazgough9264]

excellent as always ive got to say i have an evolution mitre saw thats very old now and its had sooo much abuse, even dropped it multiple time but its still working well!

[@philiponsolent7232]

I have a Rutland saw i bought a couple of months ago, but haven't used it yet. Looks like i may have bought badly. Thanks for the warning about the guard.

[@henley1100]

Crikey Keith!! That saw us more a qeapon than a tool/machine. Glad that you escaped any injuries! Thanks for the candid reviews. Cheers! Don.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Thank you Don

[@normansidey5258]

I have been seriously thinking of buying the Rutland saw as I have seen a number of good reviews on yt, none have mentioned the crown guard or the riving knife or blade being a problem, I am in a quandary now as the Rutland’s saw was just about at the limit of my budget, but I am really now considering looking to see if the Evolution model has a finance plan and I shall go with that if it has. Thanks for the honesty and integrity of your review.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Thanks

[@creepycrawlything]

Just ordered the TBL+. Decision triggered by the free wood blade. I could have got by with the Excel Table Saw (finally moving up from the Titan with its fence limitations), but was swithering across the better capabilities of the TBL range. Thank you for the code saving, and the triggering.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Thank you for watching 👍

[@Dockdroid]

I was going to buy the evolution based on this, but because of the lead time and needing it for a project I ended up going with the excel saw from tools4trade, with an ebay voucher it only cost £170 and has a R&p fence, aluminum throat plate and 254mm blade. So far everything seems pretty well made and square with the exception of the fence to the table, where the fence was leaning in toward the blade. Though I managed to get get it mostly there by packing the nut the fence sits on with masking tape. Also the mitre it came with was very sloppy to the groove but I've got some aluminum tape to pack that out with as well.

[@Ben-d8c2y]

I have the rutlands saw and I'm still very happy, but I checked the crown guard and raised the riving knife before I turned it on. I agree that the crown guard is a poor bit of design but once it's set up it cuts well for £100 less than the evolution. I also think the faster brake is very nice to have. For a less than £300 budget I'd still choose the Rutland saw, but for £400 I'd get the evolution

[@RagnBoneBrown]

I take your point... But the standard version of the Evo is only £35 more, and it has the sliding table...

[@benefitthirteen]

I used a Craftsman jobsite saw for years. It came with an outfeed support extension , and left and right table extensions which allowed for 24" cuts on either side of the blade. The miter gauge was a tic loose, but once you understood it's quirkiness you just kinda adapted. It also came with a solid frame stand, but I only took it with me under certain circumstances. I bought that saw almost 30 years ago during a holiday sale for $100. After a while, every time I was in a big box store I found myself looking at the shiny new models from DeWalt and Bosch with better accuracy and collapsible stands and the such, but I never replaced it. To be fair, I was in the business of home improvements and not fine furniture, but that Craftsman never failed and I knew how to make it work for me.

[@AnthHalliday]

I have the Rutland's saw and had the same issue with the blade cover. Fortunately when it happened to me it was on startup and the motor stalled. The blade chipped the guard but thankfully it didn't explode. For the money it's not bad at all and I'm still happy with it, but had I watched this before buying it a few months ago, I would have gone with the Evolution.

[@allanbourner4569]

Very useful video thanks, ordered today with stand through your link, saved €48 quid, thanks

[@Deansworkshop]

I’m really glad you done this video this has been on my mind the last couple of months of what table saw to buy. I have been looking at these two and now I know which to buy. Or hopefully win haha. Thank you Keith.

[@shaun30-3-mg9zs]

Hi Keith, great review on these two budget table saws and your honest opinion, as always a great video take care

[@brummiesteve590]

Great review video. Bit more than I need for DIYer but just orderd the Evo for £379.99 and got free 60 tooth blade with your promo code, thanks.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Thanks! Enjoy 👍

[@Vinimarshall450]

I have an evo rage 5 and its great , the only mod i did was to open underneath the bottom of the blade to let bits fall out as i dont have an extractor

[@grantswheelstohills]

I am new to table saws, and after a review online I bought the rutland. I was setting it up and also noticed the wobble with the blade. After a few emails and spare parts. I could not get it to settle. I just thought it was dangerous, so I sent it back. I'm currently using a hand saw ! I'm not glad you had the same problem, but someone inexperienced like me...but unlike me just turned the thing on,.could have been in a world of pain. It's not good.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Too right. You can do a lot better 👍

[@chris_hertford]

Your tool reviews are always great, the detail you go into is first class!

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Wow, thank you

[@HappyDaysNI]

Delighted to see you supporting your local Men’s Shed. They do great work all around the world. Viewers, check if there’s one in your area. And join in.

[@kstewart3657]

Excellent review. There may be another issue with the Rutlands saw. Unlike Evolution Rutlands do not offer a spares service.

[@davetlane]

Brilliant vid, been looking to buy a table saw just for general DIY use for some time

[@chiselmetimbers7026]

As per usual great informative video Keith. Thanks again for great consistent content!

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@hws1983]

That fence makes those saws usable, I have an old ryobi saw with 20 cm cutting capacity 2kw motor witch blows regular fuses and the same blade problem.. this might be a useful upgrade for me thanks

[@edwardburroughs1489]

Ive been looking at these. And the rutlands stuff in general, so this review is right on time.

[@Schinney]

These saws have come a long way since I was in the joiners shop on the old Wadkins, the Evolution looks a good bit of kit but both look great to do the job

[@paulphillips2941]

I got the excel version of these saws, id say it sits somewhere between the 2 on features etc but the quality is much better than the rutlands. Only paid £160 on offer for it off amazon aswell 👍

[@stuartrobertson331]

Seriously regret not doing this !

[@painterman8863]

Thanks, mate 👍. £379.00 down with the free blade.😅😅 Very good review, mate 👍 Very quick delivery, ordered last night and being delivered tomorrow

[@RagnBoneBrown]

No problem 👍 enjoy!

[@bighig88]

Seems like a good saw . Small barn workshop has been using one since they released it 👍

[@markdyballuk]

Thank you Keith for the information, much obliged and much respect for your honesty in the appraisal 👍

[@PitStopCrew]

thanks for the discount code mate - just saved myself £58. Boom! Great vid too - made up my mind and I’ve just dropped some dosh on the latest Evolution TS.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Hope you enjoy it and like it as much as I did! Thank you

[@michaelwillson6847]

Nice video Keith random Monday post 🤣 i actually have this Rutlands saw granted haven't had all the issues you discovered but did have a close call with the criwn guard. although managed catch the off paddle before it hit the blade. I believe they are bringing out a zero clearence insert although i bought a evolution one and have managed to modify it to fit rutlands saw. I looked at both saws the main Reason i went Rutlands was the evolution was on 3 month wait when i got the rutlands and couldn't wait. Next video best budget lasers be very helpful 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@ghost70]

great review, the evolution saw is the one im looking at getting as dont have space for the lumberjack

[@spongefactory]

Great timing Keith, had my eye on the Evolution saw for a while and the Rutlands looked very similar - will rule that one out now.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

I'd be quick if you can... Not sure how long current stock levels will last if the past few months are anything to go by 👍

[@richarddicktaylor219]

I own an old Evolution which is very basic & had a terrible plastic insert plate. It also had an odd sized blade which limited replacement choice although as you pointed out the original TCT blade it came with was really good. A real weakness is the woeful instructions - just imagine the danger if you assembled it incorrectly! I also have an Evolution chip saw that has had 6+ years of rough handling, so all around great value products for DIY.

[@sumeraybuilds]

The Evolution is a very very good saw for the money. The outfeed table is so good and I agree you need the + model! Great video!

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Thanks 👍

[@the4dudleys]

Great video Keith. Keep up the great channel 😎

[@woodworkingandepoxy643]

I don't blame you for not reacting. I think if it were me id be so caught off guard i just wouldn't believe it was happening either. Thats just the basics lol

[@benguin3382]

I'm quite a fan of rutlands and was debating getting their table saw but think I'll pass and get a better quality one.

[@davidsneddon2242]

I have the Evolution saw and love it. Both the lower riving knife and zero clearance throat plate are due early November. Thanks Keith just confirms my buy was right.

[@josephtwilley7187]

I have the Skil jobsite saw and I love it. I would love to use that Evolution saw though. Really cool extras in it.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Tried to get the Skil version for this review but they didn't want to be included for whatever reason

[@josephtwilley7187]

@@RagnBoneBrown Not sure why. The price is great and the saw performs really well. Their lose.

[@sixcylinders6346]

I have a few pieces of Rutland stuff and mostly have been impressed with the company. Bit disappointing to see the quality of this piece, although my mind was already made up as to which one I would go for. Good honest review as usual 👍

[@201081hero]

Nice video Keith, seems like you covered a number of the issues the Rutlands had that a few other reviews of the same model on YT fail to mention. In addition what you said about the Rutlands is quite a contrast to some of the written reviews on their site: "solid", "good quality", "well made", "built to last", "a pleasure to use" were a few examples.

[@paulrobins2368]

Every product on rutlands is 'premium' and every review is 4 or 5 stars, I'll let people judge for themselves how reliable they think that is). I've bought plenty from them and have been burned a few times (but still a better success rate than temu or banggood)

[@BestKiteboardingOfficial]

November for Zero clearance Plate and short riving knife for the Evolution saw. There was some talk of a few other accessories as well.

[@andyc972]

Thanks Keith, this is the sort of thorough honest and open review I've come to expect from you, I've considered the Evolution as a replacement for my ageing Rexon site saw so it's great to hear your opinion ! Although Rutlands won't be delighted with the review they and anyone considering the saw should be grateful that you've highlighted the crown guard issue and the blade alignment adjustments ! Thanks again for your time and effort ! Btw are you also going to be reviewing the Sawstop models as they've been reviewed by two of your YT buddies ?

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Thanks! I am in contact with SawStop but they're expecting a lot of work, and for nothing in return so it's looking unlikely

[@415volts]

Wow - there is a very strict standard required for CE regarding crown guards / wall thickness etc - I know. That is proper sketchy what happened and you were lucky with those shards flying. Thx for the vid.

[@jimpackard8059]

@@415volts if you know , as you say, can you please tell us the legal requirement on the guard material please.

[@415volts]

@@jimpackard8059 Here you go - EN 1870-19:2013 The saw blade guards above the machine table shall be manufactured from either: a) steel having an ultimate tensile strength of at least 350 N mm-2 and a wall thickness of at least 1,5 mm; b) light alloy with characteristics in accordance with Table 3; c) polycarbonate with a wall thickness of at least 3 mm or other plastic material passing the test given in Annex H. The saw blade guard below the table shall be manufactured from one or a combination of the materials required in a), b) or c) or from cast iron with an ultimate tensile strength of at least 200 N mm-2 and a wall thickness of at least 5 mm. Verification: By checking the relevant drawings, tensile strength, measurement, performing the impact test given in Annex H for plastic materials other than polycarbonate and inspection of the machine. NOTE For the ultimate tensile strength, a confirmation from the manufacturer of the material can be useful.

[@415volts]

@@jimpackard8059I think YT deleted my previous reply? shorter version below EN 1870-19:2013 The saw blade guards above the machine table shall be manufactured from either: a) steel having an ultimate tensile strength of at least 350 N mm-2 and a wall thickness of at least 1,5 mm; b) light alloy with characteristics in accordance with Table 3; c) polycarbonate with a wall thickness of at least 3 mm or other plastic material passing the test given in Annex H. cheers

[@MasterChef12109]

I like this Evolution a lot. Might be time to get a better table saw!

[@robboone4367]

Excellent review! Thanks and look forward to more reviews.

[@ApteryxRex]

Great to see that even budget saws are coming out with rack and pinion style fences. Now need Makita to release a kit to retrofit to MLT100

[@RagnBoneBrown]

It's a great system

[@StuffIMade]

great comparison video Keith!

[@nicolasadams3186]

Thank you for your detailed honest review. I purchased the Rutlands saw 10 months back and not having used with the crown guard did not pick-up on the flaw (extreemly dangerous). I have promptly binned the quard and purchased the Axminster Professional Crown Guard as a replacement. I must have been lucky as none of the alignment issues you raised have been present, I recon factory setup on the unit you tested was at fault, poor quality control. The throat plate only has noticeable flex behind the blade and I find it to be pretty firm in front and to sides of the blade. In general, I am quite happy with the Rutlands Table saw which I purchased on a special offer for £260.00 together with their folding saw stand (R40.00). Must say I like the outfeed table and sliding mitre table features you demonstrated on the Evolution R255TBL+.

[@stuartrobertson331]

Having bought the Rutland saw this was slightly painful viewing. But nice to have confirmed some of my concerns with the saw. There are a couple of really glowing reviews of the Rutland saw online i dont think these reviewers haven't got your experience.

[@stuartingram423]

I originally purchased the Rutlands saw but quickly returned it due to alignment issues and the motor housing being loose. I submitted an honest review and as expected they never posted my negative review of which they are synonymous for. I still use Rutlands for certain tools but most definately not this one.

[@stuartrobertson331]

@@stuartingram423 that's good to know as the glowing reviews did sway me, I had no idea they filter their reviews. That's very sketchy behavior

[@rickhickman2730]

Interested in that evolution saw, but something I ran into with my DeWalt is that a typical .75" guide for sleds didn't work in that guides because the guides weren't parallel along their length. So a rail for a crosscut sled wouldn't work because it would be loose at one area of the miter slot, then snag at other points in the slot. Have you tried a rail in the evolution miter track? Or just used the sliding table?

[@RagnBoneBrown]

I didn't try that, sorry

[@Fozz84]

My table saw caught fire. I cleaned the workshop ready to weld. a spark flew across the workshop (10ft) and laded in the saw. setting it alight 5 mins later. I am lucky the saw was the only thing damaged.

[@garyellis8970]

Hi Keith what are the extractor couplings you use on the saws? Thanks

[@RagnBoneBrown]

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[@aaronalquiza9680]

luckily you didn't get injured from that incident 🙏

[@ashleycox432]

As soon as I saw the title I thought "yep, rutlands". My experience with their equipment has been poor to say the least. Most recently my router motor bearings failed and they are refusing to honour their warranty, claiming 'wear' despite the fact that the router has only had light home use and none of their Ts & Cs say anything about warranty claims being subject to wear. I had a compressor with a failed safety valve, dangerous jamming nail gun, sagging router table, lathe with failed bearings and dodgy headstock casting and replacement parts supplied that were also bad, and wood turning tools where the shafts fell out of the handles as they'd quite literally stuck a square shaft in a round hole. I wouldn't be surprised if the difference you perceive in the noise of the motors is down to the Evolution using much better motor bearings. Thank you for the first honest review I've seen of this saw, the others i've seen have just been glowing praise of a free product made within days or hours of ownership.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Wow, that's not good at all 😕Thank you.

[@ashleycox432]

@@RagnBoneBrown Nope. I'm now stuck with their £300 lift which itself has several design flaws and a sagging plate, and a £250 router motor that is as good as useless as changing the bearings (Rutlands' only suggested solution) requires that the motor armature be removed which is factory pressed onto the shaft. Also had one of their Makita clone trim routers which came with multiple bases, the plunge base was dangerously wobbly. The only good tools I've had from them have been small simple things like clamping squares, spring clamps, the mitre gauge (available on Banggood and Temu for half the price) and their T track, which I'll begrudgingly admit is the best t track I've been able to find.

[@karlpopewoodcraft]

Great comparison video Keith and 100% honest as usual. I have the smaller Evolution table saw and concur it's a cracking saw especially for the price. One thing that's impressed me about Evolution is their constant strive for improving and adding quality.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Right on. I saw a review by Andy and he reached a similar conclusion. They seem to care more than some 👍

[@benwilliams2655]

I have the evolution + saw as reviewed in your video and have found it really well made and easy to use. Really pleased to hear that they will be releasing a smaller riving knife, did they indicate when this would be? Great video

[@RagnBoneBrown]

November 👍

[@Brettly01]

hmmm.... got me thinking.... hate my evo mitre saw but put up with it over the years, hated the evo skilsaw/circular saw that got sent back but now seeing the evo table and you saying the build quality of evo might of changed for the better has got me thinking of getting the evo table saw.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Aside from the plastic caps falling off the knobs, I didn't find any other issues

[@richardgibbens1955]

Hi do you know when the evolution discount code / free blade ends

[@RagnBoneBrown]

I am not sure sorry

[@deelirious]

One day in the future I hope I will have a place in my life for a table saw, meanwhile, I am here enjoying these videos.

[@rogerkartman]

Hi ,so what do you recommend as the best table saw and at a fair price . thx

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Did you watch the video?

[@jjjacer]

At least it sounds like Rutlands has a decent support department. Someday i need to get a new table saw, my 45$ craftsman i got at a pawn store is scary to use, the anti-kickback kept causing the pieces to stop feeding which then just had them sit and burn against the blade, the riving knife also was never able to be inline causing pieces to get stuck as well, basically the safety features made it unsafe, I removed them which now i dont have that problem, but i got to be more careful as i have had a piece that did kickback and nail me in the stomach pretty hard. (At this point the $150 Warrior table saw from Harbor Freight might be safer lol, although it looks even more plastic than the Rutlands)

[@lemagreengreen]

That evolution looks really good, sliding table!

[@AMG63]

That Rutland's saw needs to be recalled asap, I can only imagine how many DIY people have bought one of them without knowing all the dangers it holds 😮

[@RagnBoneBrown]

It's surprising that there's no regulation against a crown guard like that, isn't it

[@Monkeh616]

@@RagnBoneBrown I don't think there are any specific regulations about table saw designs. There may be product standards - but those are a double edged sword. My mitre saw is missing a large chunk of aluminium and the original blade thanks to a genius product standard which calls for a folding fence to provide more support than you'd ever need. Forget about that just once..

[@todd603]

How do you think the Evolution stacks up against the Dewalt? I have the smaller Dewalt than what you used to have but for me its ideal

[@Pistol_Knight]

Evolution have really upped their game IMO, still not the best but closing in on Ryobi

[@joehart3826]

More like closing in on DeWalt. Already above Ryobi

[@guitarcarfanatic]

I appreciate these have a bigger cut capacity, but the Dewalt is often available between £350 and £400 when on offer (bought mine earlier this year for £361). It's a big step up in quality so not really sure where these saws fit? When Rutlands launched, it was £100 off and I think thats the only time to buy one of these cheaper saws - when they are sub £250 on offer.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

The DeWalt has an 8" blade, these are 10". Plus the Evo has a sliding table and outfeed. Totally different saws and while the DeWalt is likely to have better build quality and components it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best option for everyone 🤷‍♂️

[@guitarcarfanatic]

@@RagnBoneBrown Yep, you pay your money and take your choice. I just think these Chinese rebadges represent poor value at RRP. At £250, they become a more reasonable argument. The Rutland's has been reduced by £100 a few times now and I suspect the Evolution will be discounted periodically so at that price point, it will suit a lot of people.

[@twelthstring]

Is the surface flat?

[@reservisor]

Hey Keith, did you notice any disk vibration on the evolution saw? I bought mine on the first week of its release and noticed it had more vibration of the disk than I was expecting. Turned out the diameter of the arbour was a tad too small making the blade to sit off center. Supergluing a single layer of aluminium foil had solved the vibration problem for me.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

No vibration issue on the one I have

[@jimbo2629]

My Makita blade guard exploded. The insert was wide and a slice cut off jammed and broke the blade guard. It was quite dramatic. I therefore made a zero clearance insert. I haven’t got round yet to replacing the blade guard.

[@wattyler49]

great video keith very helpful

[@1955DocBrown]

Very nice video, good review. It doesn’t take much for things to go wrong when using a table saw and the quality of the blade guard, movement in the blade and the insert plate are worrying. 16:02 please wear your eye protection, you only get one set of eyes. I work in engineering and I know of people that have had damage to their eyes, scary stuff.

[@paulj6]

I have the Rutlands saw but had no trouble with. However i'm going to be extra careful with the crown guard now! You definitely shouldn't be embarrassed to share - you may have saved someones sight!!!

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Thank you. Hopefully so!

[@NomadMakes]

Sawstop did not reach out to you?

[@RagnBoneBrown]

Hi Goran. They've been in touch for a long while. They wanted me to do lots of unpaid work for them. I said "no thanks"

[@NomadMakes]

@@RagnBoneBrown Ah… Those type of deals. Who doesn’t love unpaid work *facepalm*

[@paulhodgson4790]

I got the Rutlands in January and I have NOT had a problem with the crown guard. Not sure why yours behaved that way. The riving knife can be removed by undoing the fixing bolts on the lock. You can then take off the bit of metal to make it into a removable one. I guess that not being removable is a half arsed attempt at safety!

[@-Benedict]

I'll be totally honest with you Keefy - I hate all crown guards, and I make the choice, as a grown adult with considerable experience, operating a solo hobby workshop, to not use them. I feel that they actually detract from safety, because they reduce my vision, without actually protecting against anything except the very unlikely possibility of dropping a workpiece onto the blade from above. Others may disagree, and that's totally fine, but I've genuinely never once attached mine to my current saw. Riving knife, face shield and ear defenders are all absolutely non-negotiable, but my crown guard just sits in a drawer. The only reason it doesn't go straight in the bin is that the manufacturer might moan if I made a warranty claim and didn't return it.

[@RagnBoneBrown]

We all have to make these decisions for ourselves, so no judgement here... I used to not use a crown guard too but with the Axminster cabinet saw the dust extraction was abysmal so the crown guard with it's extraction is a must, and I've kind of got used to using one now 👌

[@Monkeh616]

There's an excellent video from a KZbinr I sadly cannot recall the name of just now on the Sawstop saws where he discusses the use of the crown guard. If it hadn't been for that saw, he wouldn't have a thumb today - but if he'd had a guard on, he wouldn't have had stitches. It takes only one brief moment of inattention or loss of spacial awareness (this can occur to anyone without warning, by the way) to become deeply regretful for not using a guard. Taking them off where they genuinely interfere is fair enough, but otherwise think of them as a seatbelt. Your choice, no judgement.

[@jimpackard8059]

@@-Benedict if something drops onto that blade, it will fly off like a bullet.

[@RobertRoche]

What depth are the mitre slots on the Evolution saw? I have the Rage2S and the slots are only 7.5mm deep so does not fit standard mitre gauges etc..

[@willholt100]

Industry standard slots on the NEW Evo table saws

[@luciflash]

Is the evolution better than the Dewalt?

[@RagnBoneBrown]

I've not used the DeWalt

[@Pete.Ty1]

👍👍👍. Thank you Keith