Cheap utes compared: GWM Cannon Ute vs LDV T60 vs SsangYong Musso

[@user-no4lx5kq6e]

Correction - the musso base model does allow telescopic steering adjustment

[@drivingenthusiastaustralia]

Thanks. I thought so. I remember the driving position being quite good - something usually helped by a fully adjustable steering column. Redbook says tilt-only for some reason.

[@shirlprada2447]

Why fuss over telescopic steering when seat adjustment can compensate. As for front camera’s. I’v owned 3 variants of the Cannon Ute and all 3 came with 360 degrees camera which included front camera installed in the poer emblem. Thirdly towing? regardless of recommended towing capacity by manufacturers is questionable? and grossly over stated putting the unweary at risk. Personally and regardless of the model of vehicle it is unwise to tow 3500 tone. Take advice from car expert John Cadogan.

[@franko3006]

My musso has done 120 000klm no problems. Go to Fraser ,Stradbroke and offroad out west and tows great. Will buy another and recommend them. My whole family owns SsangYongs now.

[@theodociocozanitis5437]

These comparisons are great please do more please add how quite they are inside and if they have spare tyres

[@bazinga615]

Excellent work. We need your opinion. I'd also like to see more of these comparisons, keep it up.

[@drivingenthusiastaustralia]

Thanks. Will do.

[@bazinga615]

@@drivingenthusiastaustralia probably one of the most useful analysis of what to look for. Along with your opinion after driving these makes for a well balanced analysis. Too many other reviews are so wishy washy and you never really know how good or bad a vehicle is.

[@69DMack]

The first comparison on price, you have compared a 2w drive cannon against the Muss and LDV 4wd, if you include the 4wd option of the cannon it comes in cheaper than the Muss and LDV. We’re the Muss misses the mark is clearance, wading depth and driveline centre bearing design. These topics are very important in the Aus market as most buyers will want to use the Ute for 4wd and towing. The Muss only has 350mm wading depth and 215mm min ground clearance. This means that majority of owners will look at a lift and this ground clearance topic is further identified with Ironman suspension packages being available on SA website. The design of the centre driveline bearing placement is located with the cross member chassis , this means if you lift a coiled Musso you can’t apply a centre bearing drop to align pinion angles to reduce vibration in driveline. This limits potential buyers the the leaf rear model only as you can apply shims to leaf for pinion angle alignment. If towing with the Muss it is also subject to a lot a rear end sag, though airbags or upgrade suspension will assist.

[@joshantonio6894]

Good point. That's why there's more Cannon and T60 in the road than Musso's

[@drivingenthusiastaustralia]

As I mentioned at the end, I wouldn't buy either of these three, personally. But I gave the Musso a higher score for price because, at $40k, it does represent better value over the $39k 4x4 Cannon; more powerful engine, lower consumption, lower emissions etc.

[@weejohnnybigmickey]

The musso not only beats these but also the d max and ranger in my opinion

[@ChrisDied]

Too bad it looks like a turd...

[@theockle]

D-MAX maybe, but not the Ranger...

[@stephanievaughan258]

Excellent comparison, exactly why I bought a Musso. For me, the most striking difference was refinement, the Musso is super quiet, the steering is perfectly weighted and the level of equipment in the ultimate model is excellent!

[@shraygautam2500]

Put my money on a Musso ultimate today 🤩🤩

[@mahcooharper9577]

Agreed with your conclusion, the Musso is easily the best option of those three - and aside from anything else it's also a much better idea to send money to South Korea than to China.

[@MRCtouring]

Only upsetting thing about the Musso in the lap sash seatbelt in the middle rear seat and the lack of a ancap rating.

[@andrewmc679]

Better tell the Australian government at every level those thoughts

[@amadoroable]

😂 most of the stuff around now are from china, I wonder what's your gadget made from ✌️

[@redbrickize]

@@amadoroablesome people just simply had no brain. And they refuse to study and independently think either.

[@tjp8663]

I agree with you on the resale value of these Ute's. You will take a bigger hit financially down the road, especially the Chinese brands. I ended buying a musso, and after owning a glx 2015 triton and a 2017 bt50 gt, the 2023 musso is by far the nicest one out of the bunch. I also shopped around at other brands in the ultimate luxury musso price range and for the same money, I was looking at the base model's Isuzu,Mitsubishi,Ford, etc and they were extremely disappointing what those brands offered like vinyl flooring ,cloth seats, no screen display, no mags and some no tray. Great content, by the way! Keep it coming. 👏 👌 👍

[@momentum28]

I have a Cannon X for 2 yrs and love it.

[@johngrant7979]

Timely vlog as I’m in the throes of possibly purchasing I’m looking at the base model Ssangyong Musso in the xLV body as it had 1000 kg pay load , 3500 kg towing a GVM of 3200 kg and a GCM of 6700kg 👍 And except for the Ranger the Dmax and bt50 and Navara don’t come close to those specs and also as against a used Dmax bt50 Navara the Musso has 7 years of unlimited warranty and break down service and capped vehicle service

[@drivingenthusiastaustralia]

Great timing. I hope this helped.

[@stendecstretcher5678]

I thought about these. I bought a base model Hilux Workmate dual cab petrol auto 2 wd (Povo pack) for $41500. Don't go off road, just bunnings the tip and picking up the grand kids.

[@robertceroli3512]

with the old big compacity 4cyl eng that drinks like a old Holden 6cyl

[@robertwhitfield8462]

I have a Musso ute and it is proving to be a very good ute I tow a van and boat,mostly on dirt.and.have on issues what.so ever only wish for bigger fuel tank 78 litres.is too small would like to ,200 plus capacity would be good

[@zloj-volk]

The real Musso`s problem is not sufficient ground clearance and long front overhang. Which limits off-road capability, so installing Ironman suspension is a must. In other aspects, SY beats Chinese rivals and because of its very interesting price can make strong competition to D-Max, Ranger, etc.

[@johnclark4131]

The only off roading I do is up on the kerb at the mates bbq well at least Im honest. So a 4x2 duel cab in a diesel is perfect but hell will freeze over b4 I buy Chinese.Still looking.

[@bernardpeel7133]

Good on you for doing this video. I’ve been waiting and waiting for someone to realise it was an ideal topic. Naturally, each person will have their own weightings. Towing and payload aren’t particularly important to me, whereas back seat room (not included in the comparison) is far more important. Also, I think the warranty and servicing terms are worthy of inclusion in the comparison. Then there’s looks. I’d want to cry if I walked out every morning to see the Musso. Not bad from a straight front angle, but comical everywhere else. So based on my criteria GWM would come out on top. If/when it gets the 2.4 turbo diesel, it will be a different ballgame again.

[@bernardpeel7133]

Further to my earlier comments, I have just joined a couple of Musso groups off the back of the findings in this video. The posts are littered by people expressing disappointment over during home a ute that shudders, or people who have had this issue continuously for months or years, through to people who have been told that it’s a characteristic of the vehicle and it’s not being fixed, nor the vehicle replaced. This alone should see 5-7 points being deducted from Musso’s final score on this comparison!

[@josephhalwagy6435]

great comparative composite evaluation.

[@willross7121]

Musso all the way

[@Ad.Dd.James.]

The musso also does an automatic DPF burn unlike the GWC which will go into limp mode if not manually activated to do a DPF burn. My 2023 XLV Ultimate with luxury pack is easily the best vehicle I have ever owned or driven

[@gdkhdkb]

Power is the best. I knew you were lying. The skins used are natural. 💯. 💯.

[@duncaninglis5407]

Good onya mate I enjoy your shows great information

[@goldfools5445]

If you use the same depreciation schedule for a high end Ute, the retained percentage might be slightly higher. The actual dollars lost will also be higher. If you factor in HP over the life of the car ownership of your example, based on a 20% deposit of the drive away price, not hard to figure out that the more you pay the more you loose.

[@user-gk1nt6sm2z]

Yep

[@jiijijjijiijiij]

This always gets me. The Triton may hold more of its value, and in some ways I could prefer it over a Musso or a GWM, but to match the mid spec packages for either you would have to spend north of $55k on the Triton. That's thousands of dollars that you can allocate towards a relatively safe investment that should appreciate over time, not depreciate. You can't look at percentages in isolation.

[@waynebuckley6633]

Nice, i wondered how the Mahindra would have stood in this?

[@mahcooharper9577]

A rugged thing but kinda in a different class to the three options he's asked about.

[@keithholland7465]

Thanks good review

[@weels8965]

Safety not considered in this “top gear” point scoring system. Musso has no ancap safety rating. That was the deciding factor to choose gwm over Musso after weighing everything up

[@bonkers5011]

How can you put the 2wd ute above the 4wd ?...

[@angusnz7910]

A mate in town got 2 t60’s (one for him one for mrs…control freak much?) and yup they’re used as cars not working Utes but have also been 100% good for them. Long term I’m not sure, but past 18 months have been good. They NEVER clean things and they won’t be serviced out of warranty so time will tell

[@4snday]

The LDV, has so many issues from paint coming away from the body , body frame is crap and cracks when going off road, and a really rough ride, compared to the other 2. I will never own a LDV again. Gone to a GWM cannon x now and had it for 6 months and seriously chalk and cheese comparing them as an owner. I can’t comment about the Musso.

[@davetaylor4741]

Good review taking in important features for a majority of normal buyers. Haven't driven any so wouldn't formulate an opinion of my own. If they only did auto that would rule me out. I had never driven an auto until I came to Oz. And only drove my first one about 10 years ago. I do drive my wife's auto now occasionally, but can't imagine as a daily driver. None of these are particularly cheap so for me the biggest consideration would be resale. Save a few bucks new. Lose what you saved on resale. Or are you better off with a low K second hand Ford. In my experience with new cars I only ever bought one that didn't have numerous faults. Let someone else get over that. Plus take the drive away instant price drop. Fords were always good drivers cars, as long as they were working. Our Dagenham dustbins seldom did. Whatever you buy largely made of bits from China. The price difference being the name badge and how well regarded that badge is.

[@waynehobbs5175]

Great comparison. Only thing I was disappointed with was the features getting a point each per sé. Android Auto is easily the largest smartphone market in Australia and a brand omitting it but putting in the niche called Apple only is far worse than 5 speakers vs 6 (example). Also, the 4x4 systems should get a point for AWD all surfaces if available as it has huge safety advantages particularly towing from my 4x4 experiences. I don’t want brakes or power going to a single axle when I have 3t behind! I give your report 8/10 but if you think about my reasons I hope you aren't offended. Whoops, service costs should be a category too.

[@drivingenthusiastaustralia]

Thanks. Yep, plenty of areas to cover - I had to cap it somewhere. Everyone has different preferences, too. For people that have an iPhone, for example, the omission of Android Auto is probably no big deal. But I agree, I will put more thought into it in the future to try and cover more areas.

[@RK.7796]

I stoped at minute 0.01 before I watch it I am telling you I will call out your b.s. These days you can't get away anymore with catch phrases on youtube. You have to be real

[@tonysambar]

Musso is also likely to be the most durable.

[@davids-et3eo]

I had a Musso for 13 years, over 200000 km on it. Nothing went wrong. Still working when I sold it. And dare I admit to it, I have an 18 year old Stavic. Not so good there. The dvd doesn't work any more. Just as well that I can't see it from the drivers seat. So that's 31 years of trouble free motoring between them! I'd buy Ssangyong again if I could afford to upgrade. I guess that does mean, durable.

[@lesenaselvage9765]

What about RAM ?

[@351tgv]

I'm with you Bret, none of the 3 would even get a look by me if I were in that market segment. I would be willing to get an older spec like the Navara or Triton (you can still find brand new previous gen Triton at dealerships at great discounted prices), sadly Ranger and Hilux prices are stupid crazy right now but then again both those trucks are that good. As for alternatives? yes the D-Max and BT50 are options but they have issues with regards to steering and tyres which is a shame, Again look at Navara (old tech but still a better option than the LDV/GWM/Ssangyong) or the previous gen Triton, that said between those two I would opt for Navara, better engine, transmission, rear suspension comfort that also carries cargo/tows but lacks AWD ability in any model vs the Triton upper to top end range, the only major downside of the Navara? old interior and technology but everything else should be fine.

[@bernardpeel7133]

Depends on what’s important to each buyer. For me the old Triton is too small..everywhere..especially the back seat.

[@user-gk1nt6sm2z]

Good review

[@drivingenthusiastaustralia]

@@user-gk1nt6sm2z Thanks

[@RK.7796]

I stoped at minute 0.01 before I watch it I am telling you I will call out your b.s. These days you can't get away anymore with catch phrases on youtube. You have to be real

[@rogersliu1200]

don't know where the Korean car is reliable perception coming from. SsangYong as a company, went under multiple times and is not even mainstream back in Korea and I could not find it in any other market other than Australia LOL. When I was a kid SsangYong was famous for using the Mec Diesel engine other than that they disappeared from the relevant market for about 15 years for lack of competitiveness model

[@fleachamberlain1905]

Thanks for the info. FYI, none of those are utes, they're all pickups. Look at a Holden Commodore ute or a Ford Falcon ute, for example, and you'll see the body shape is quite different.

[@The_Other_Dan]

The Musso not having adaptive cruise control is an instant no-go for me. Takes it immediately out of any consideration.

[@mrkring1526]

Easy choice without even looking. I don't want a Chinese car so Ssangyong it is.

[@peterolase7724]

What an in depth observation.

[@mahcooharper9577]

@@peterolase7724 he's right tho.

[@craigwillis9066]

Musso...brilliant

[@georgekelagis647]

need to get your spec corret mate before u review the cannon x pulls pulls aswell as up and dowe .. etc etc