CHEAP vs EXPENSIVE SNARE DRUMS - Does It Matter?!

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Rob Brown

Rob Brown

6 жыл бұрын

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@beatboxerz
@beatboxerz 6 жыл бұрын
I feel that the Cymbals are the most important instrument on a Drummers kit. You can make a cheap drum sound ok. But your Cymbals will not change. They are what they are.
@richardgoldman8761
@richardgoldman8761 6 жыл бұрын
DJT716 Totally agree.
@beatboxerz
@beatboxerz 6 жыл бұрын
Indeed Richard... I would spend well more for great, not good but GREAT cymbals over a snare or a drum kit in general. You can not ever go back and re-melt the medal for cymbals and make them better. But you can deal with a cheap snare or kit. Although I will say good wood is the best way to go... To me,if the snare is the Soul of the kit, than Great Cymbals are the Holy Spirit of the whole kit. They speak to you...
@chriskats3368
@chriskats3368 6 жыл бұрын
Agree with you 100%
@GeorgeTsiros
@GeorgeTsiros 5 жыл бұрын
The cymbals are for embelishment. I'm not even a drummer. The two most important drums on a kit are the snare and the kick (downbeat, upbeat). The next most important is of course the hihat (subdivisions). If you were to start removing parts, Those are the three that you can not remove.
@davonwav
@davonwav 5 жыл бұрын
I agree! In any musical style the screeching of lousy cymbals is unbearable. Great ones also last...my '67 Zildjians sound as good as when I was a kid. That assumes you don't get a running start and smack a crash with butt end of a 5B stick. Lucky I guess.. never cracked one in a lifetime gigging.
@DJILLEE
@DJILLEE 6 жыл бұрын
This entire video I was waiting for a side by side comparison... it would be nice if you got the two different snares with the same heads and tuned the same using a tune bot. Then did the exact same groove and switch back and forth between the two so we can see if paying extra is worth it.
@shelster9967
@shelster9967 4 жыл бұрын
Ultimate Event Lighting I agree with OP and will ad that while Rob sometimes has good info, he just takes.......toooooooooo.........lonnnnnnnnnnng.......toooooooooo......getttttttttttttttt......tooooooooo........thhhhhhhhhhheeeeeed.........fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking...........POINT!!,
@robertbates1910
@robertbates1910 4 жыл бұрын
Paying extra is definitely worth it, sometimes, u can get lucky with a cheap snare, gaff it up, put good heads on it etc. But a high quality snare, makes a HUGE difference, in my opinion, I could tell, as soon as he started playing, something is off with that snare, lol But to each their own, it is subjective, after all. Peace.
@renedominguez9882
@renedominguez9882 4 жыл бұрын
It makes no difference. Learn to tune. Its physics. You don't play the shell you play the head. God Bless!
@Introspectiverider99
@Introspectiverider99 3 жыл бұрын
There’s already plenty of those kind of videos to check on the internet if you just want to know the difference between the two.
@nickfarley6438
@nickfarley6438 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertbates1910 agreed i thought the same emmiedietly it didnt sound the best
@luidrummer
@luidrummer 6 жыл бұрын
Agreed 110%. I️m a huge believer in upgrading your snare and Cymbals if possible before upgrading your drum set. A well made and tuned snare makes a $600 drum set sound like $2000 set..!!
@Assimilator702
@Assimilator702 5 жыл бұрын
@Max M Having a high quality snare is important. It can satisfy you enough to not keep dumping money into new gear. But there's no reason to not buy high end cymbals. Shop smart and buy used.
@icepick859
@icepick859 5 жыл бұрын
Well tuned*** screw an expensive one
@Am71919
@Am71919 Жыл бұрын
My brother took an old first act snare drum and turned it into a popcorn snare, sounds amazing
@dangermartin69
@dangermartin69 6 жыл бұрын
Guitar center used section. Got a Tama Birch snare for 115 bucks and I love it.
@scottlowell493
@scottlowell493 3 жыл бұрын
Joey Jordinson snare, Pork Pie lil squealer Tama SLP Ludwig acrolite All these cost less than $299.
@jeffreylyons6957
@jeffreylyons6957 6 жыл бұрын
Pawn shops have quality snare drums for cheaper prices.pawn shops are musicians best friends.especially in emergency cases
@5bisley
@5bisley 6 жыл бұрын
I had a CB700 5pc kit for $40. The snare was amazing! That cheap snare would make a great back up snare that if stolen or damaged wouldn't matter much.
@johnpayne6860
@johnpayne6860 6 жыл бұрын
I love your video, thank you for being so truthful, as a kid, I was 13 years old, my friends had all the greatest Ludwig and others, at the time, luckily my dad found a snare drum I don't even remember what brand, I don't even know if there was a brand name, and I remember to this day I felt so ashamed, after my teacher told me it was not a professional drum, but proud, at this point in my life I was lucky I had the little plastic snare, I still came on stage, with the plastic and played just as well or even better!
@XoseGuitar
@XoseGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
Your teacher was wrong to do that.
@FightingWinsFights
@FightingWinsFights 5 жыл бұрын
shoutout to dad doing the best he could.
@raymondlugo9960
@raymondlugo9960 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe it was the truth. Acrolite isn't supposed to be pro gear, but it's my drummer"s favorite and he rocks that thing
@AncientNecropsy
@AncientNecropsy 3 жыл бұрын
i never spent time on snares. I was always the guy I pick whatever snare and just play, but now, I spend some weeks to learn a lot of snares and how important they are. i learned a lot in this channel. thank you :)
@SockerConny80
@SockerConny80 6 жыл бұрын
My personal favorite is pretty cheap, the Tama slp 13"x7" g-maple. I prefer it even over my Ludwig 14"x8" black beauty wich was my reward to myself some years back when i felt i deserved a top of the line snare. I completely agree with you and i would assume most drummers do about the snare being the center of your setup and the most personal drum you use.
@cpu554
@cpu554 6 жыл бұрын
A new Yamaha 10 lug steel shell stage custom is $99 bucks new at Guitar Center when on sale. It will do most everything a high end snare can do. A steel steal. PS I own some of the best snares out there (Fibes Craviotto)and this snare will do most everything you need it to do.
@jakegreene4313
@jakegreene4313 6 жыл бұрын
Mine sounds amazing even with the clear dampened tom Head.
@Assimilator702
@Assimilator702 5 жыл бұрын
Well anything from Yamaha isn't garbage. They have the means to offer a higher quality drum for a very low price. There's junk out there far worse than the CB 700. At a certain point you get to the level of toy drums.
@calidrummer2362
@calidrummer2362 5 жыл бұрын
This is so true, I call mine the Genericphonic
@meinlpurealloychina227
@meinlpurealloychina227 6 жыл бұрын
1:18 it may not be the flashiest groove or fill but it still just felt really good.
@CrazyUncleDom
@CrazyUncleDom 6 жыл бұрын
Meinl Pure Alloy China gotta say I think the openness from not over filling on the bass or snare while also filling the offbeats with the hats really adds the flavor
@meinlpurealloychina227
@meinlpurealloychina227 5 жыл бұрын
Dominic Borrelli agreed. I really need to get my limb independence in order so I can use the hi hats on upbeats.
@StonerWatchproductions
@StonerWatchproductions 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with you man, I recently bought a new snare, actually my wife bought I just picked it out. But it's the best snare I've had, it's a Tama SPL bubinga I just love it man I mean straight outta the box it's been rocking
@skretasfamilycymbals
@skretasfamilycymbals 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Rob! Love the video, wanna hear something cool? I tuned that very snare! I work at Long and McQuade in Pickering and there was an internal dampener in that snare that was broken, so I took it out and put the whole thing back together the day before you bought it!! Glad you think the snare was decent lol! Hope to see you in the store soon XD
@U2WB
@U2WB 5 жыл бұрын
I wanted to hear that Dave Weckl snare drum ! I agree with you 100%, Rob. My snare drum is my mouthpiece when I play; it defines my sound. That and my Paiste cymbals 😜
@Fucklesticks
@Fucklesticks 4 жыл бұрын
I have a cheapo acoustic kit i bought back in 06, i only upgraded heads and cymbals. You're definitely right about the durability, but still somehow manage to get a good sound out of it. The snare is pretty beat up, and some of the wires are bent, but still sounds good to me (i used your guide on how to tune a snare the other day and it's the first time in 14 years that it sounds like an actual snare drum 🤣)
@vistalite-ph4zw
@vistalite-ph4zw 6 жыл бұрын
I know people that have recorded with a CB700 14x6.5 steel. The right tuning, heads ,wires could be worth it.
@njwhite6460
@njwhite6460 6 жыл бұрын
Now you need to do a video on how to properly hit a snare. Thanks for this video Rob. Your playing is killer!!!
@pixelpusher8986
@pixelpusher8986 4 жыл бұрын
Just ran across your video and couldn’t agree more. You really hit on the important facts. Experience matters. Thank you.
@drummerwarrior1
@drummerwarrior1 6 жыл бұрын
A 1980 Ludwig Acrolite snare drum, the best couple of hundred pounds I have ever sent. I'm in the UK and bought it off Ebay. Don't use anything else, don't need too... It IS true though - its the player not the drum...
@drummer3341
@drummer3341 6 жыл бұрын
Thats my favorite drum roll to do on the snare at 1.04. love it.
@LiLSahil174L
@LiLSahil174L 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video ! I don't know why but I watch your full video,you are cool and simple :)
@kaiyote4717
@kaiyote4717 4 жыл бұрын
that opening jam was AMAZING
@jt2749
@jt2749 6 жыл бұрын
I still have my CB snare from my first set, wanted to keep something for sentimental value but may have to throw it on the set when I'm home for Christmas break
@sonyphotoguy6601
@sonyphotoguy6601 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! The snare is the heart of the drummset. If you want to update your set, go for the snare and the Hi-Hat cymbals first, because the matter the most. And very important: Change the heads more often. Depends on how much you play, but a old head sounds dead.
@petervad
@petervad 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, the snare sounded great. Just goes to show, it's the player; and the high quality heads will also make a BIG difference. Thanks for posting!
@wesleyaustin2951
@wesleyaustin2951 6 жыл бұрын
I love those old CB snares every time I see one at a pawn shop I get them if they're under 20 bucks. The problem is how quick they rust over here by the beach. I've had three of them so far I use one as a timbale. Because of had to use the parts to fix the other ones. High quality snare differently matters though but there's nothing wrong with the cheap one if you can play it right. I sprayed the timbale with clear coat so it doesn't rust.
@-Ricky_Spanish-
@-Ricky_Spanish- 5 жыл бұрын
My first kit was a CB, and have never been able to get a snare sound quite like it since. It had a character to it that I really liked. But the quality concerns are definitely real. I live in Florida near the beach as well, and run was definitely an issue, particularly with the tension rods (I ended up making it into a timbale too :)). The flip side of things though, is that these cheap snares and kits can be great for beginners or those on a serious budget. They probably won't last 10 years, but not having the money for the expensive stuff shouldn't prevent anyone from playing and enjoying it.
@markomarkovic5729
@markomarkovic5729 6 жыл бұрын
Well, brand new Yamaha Steel snare is about 150 euros here in Serbia, and it's a very good snare...
@lew123drums
@lew123drums 6 жыл бұрын
Rob, looks like your left hand is coming along nicely ... I haven't had as much progress as you have ... still having trouble pulling out doubles with the left. Thanks for another vid!!!!
@RobBeatdownBrown
@RobBeatdownBrown 6 жыл бұрын
lew123drums I work on that left hand at a near dangerous nerd level, man. But yea, I’m happy with the progress 🤓
@Rockin_Ross
@Rockin_Ross 6 жыл бұрын
I dig the dual snare set up on the Yamaha. Looks tricky to tune right, but once you get it set, it’s gold!!
@hiptoalieu
@hiptoalieu 6 жыл бұрын
I use a Dixon snare at one of my church ministries and it's a metal shell! So I put a floor tom head on it, cause it's a really small room and tape tape and a lil' more tape and tune it medium low to low tuning it's got a cool dry, almost triggered sound to it BUT I definitely agree with this video!
@subduct488
@subduct488 6 жыл бұрын
Hey from Ireland Rob!! I just wanted to say that I hugely appreciate every video you put out. I'm 15 and have been playing for 7 years and I'm hoping to get my honours degree in drumming in college and each video you put out truly helps me! Keep up the good work man!
@RobBeatdownBrown
@RobBeatdownBrown 6 жыл бұрын
+Daniel Brazil Wuddup, Ireland 🇮🇪 Glad the vids are helping man. Greets from Canada 🇨🇦👊🏽Good luck with that honours degree 🙂
@subduct488
@subduct488 6 жыл бұрын
Rob Brown thanks man!
@thomasmoje5926
@thomasmoje5926 5 жыл бұрын
OK I have to report on another snare drum I added to my collection recently: DW/Pacific 'Concept Limited Edition Series' 7 1/2 x 14" snare drum in dark walnut stain finish with wood hoops. Tried it out in church praise band setting today and very pleased with it. Nice full/fat tone and the wood hoops make for excellent cross-stick sound. I guess it would be considered a 'mid-price' snare (at least by my standards) but so far I am very pleased with it. (and it has the very same snare throw-off mechanism as the more expensive DW snare drums) True, I did swap out the OEM batter head with an Evans '56 Calftone', and the OEM snare wires with 'Puresound' wires and now it is exactly where I want it. And a plus: the price has come down by $70.00 from some vendors.
@RonaldRumRaisin
@RonaldRumRaisin 4 жыл бұрын
Love the positivity and good vibes man!
@williampinner1893
@williampinner1893 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you about the snare being essential.. I did some national gigs with Nelson Rangel. There was always a rental back line kit usually good but not always. I always flew with my snare, cymbals and kick pedal. If I had to choose between one choice, I'd bring my snare. I appreciate you. Keep up the good work.
@emlix1
@emlix1 5 жыл бұрын
I have a ton of snare drums, my favorite is my Ludwig black magic, it's pretty cool! (Can't afford a BB) The "cheap" snare you're playing is almost identical to the snare that came with my son's entry level Sonor kit. It's ...crunchy. And Rob, I, too am a snare junkie...lol. I'm going to get a hit later today in fact.
@ArchieBC
@ArchieBC 6 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic wisdom drop! I have a hard time controlling my desire to buy a new snare every week, (I have issues.) I remember reading Weckle saying he used an old snare on his 1st track of his 1st album. It sat in his neighbor's garage for years before it was given to him. It was a bit warped and had some rust but after a little TLC he discovered a unique character and loved playing it.
@75DrummerBoy
@75DrummerBoy 6 жыл бұрын
The Tama Stewart Copeland signature snare. The only one I really ever use anymore. The best!
@humanperson-ef5gm
@humanperson-ef5gm 7 ай бұрын
My school has a really old and broken black beauty snare, it has been beaten beyond death, we tried changing out heads, but it was mossing 8 tension rods. So we pulled out a different snare that was old but still needed new heads.
@Customwinder1
@Customwinder1 5 жыл бұрын
Hey mate. New Subscriber here. Really enjoy your vids and am learning a lot. I have a Chad Smith Signature Snare. Its sweet. Also have a Mapex Storm Drum Kit being delivered in the next few days. First brand new kit I've ever had. Can't wait to assemble her and use your tuning techniques. Thanks man 👍
@tedtedsen269
@tedtedsen269 6 жыл бұрын
i also play on a cheap 6.5 X 14' Gretsch Walnut w- Maple Inlay Snare but it does its job fine for home use
@SuperFlanders123
@SuperFlanders123 5 жыл бұрын
I also had a Gretsch snare... I like to hypercrank it,so I can get all the rimshots and snare rolls to sound good. Not a fan of the mid range sound. Far too common.
@conversationswithme8601
@conversationswithme8601 Жыл бұрын
Good Vid. Thanks Rob!
@chefbrittan84
@chefbrittan84 5 ай бұрын
The CB700 snare is an underrated studio gem. Also good as a back-up or gig snare. I played one for years, even though I had other high priced snares, I still played the CB.
@Reub3
@Reub3 4 жыл бұрын
Cheap drums/snares are perfect for when you have to travel with them and there's a risk of getting them stolen. Cheap is the way to go lol.
@jhardy0786
@jhardy0786 Жыл бұрын
I had a cb 700 drum set back in the late 70s 80s and I played mine well too and used it at gigs for 10 years with no complaints and I found out cub procusion was made by Pearl drums
@joesantamaria5874
@joesantamaria5874 4 жыл бұрын
Expensive don’t mean shit. I’ve been playing for 44 years, and my fave snare drum is a Ludwig student model, the Acrolite. It takes a beating, gets in tune easily, sounds great when it’s slightly detuned from getting beat up with rimshots, I love it. I’ve played many hundred snare drums (I used to work at a drum shop), and have owned many many vintage snares, Leedy Broadway, Radio Kings, Noble and Cooley, but I love the Acrolite!
@jannatinkarlen8702
@jannatinkarlen8702 3 жыл бұрын
acrolite snare aren't exactly cheap
@justhadrums
@justhadrums 3 жыл бұрын
@@jannatinkarlen8702 they used to be
@powbobs
@powbobs 3 жыл бұрын
Ludwig Acrolite costs over $400. That’s not a cheap snare.
@powbobs
@powbobs 3 жыл бұрын
gretsch in the studio So did everything else.
@justhadrums
@justhadrums 3 жыл бұрын
@@powbobs I mean when they were sold as student models like the guys talking about. You can still find the black galaxy ones used for less than $100.
@mrtrusty101
@mrtrusty101 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rob, I've always wonder is there that much of a difference, (you've just answered me). I've got a middle range TAMA wood snare and sounds great to me but I also play with mic's using studio one software just because I can so I've done some tweaking on that but without all that digital tweaking she still sounds nice. Like you said it's how you use it and tuning and a good head and reso.. cheers and thanks for your vids matey (from Australia)
@JamesWatsonComposer
@JamesWatsonComposer 3 жыл бұрын
13:36 This is good advice for upgrading on any instrument from a playable quality to a smooth-like-butter quality.
@OldStationRecords
@OldStationRecords 6 ай бұрын
Rob Brown, you are the best. All your videos, are clear. Positive and full of generous wisdom, God bless you my Bro
@erraticboss168
@erraticboss168 6 жыл бұрын
My recommendation for a intermediate snare drum is a pearl limited edition birch. Its a really good snare if its tuned correctly
@kirwan1414
@kirwan1414 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rob I appreciate your vids. When you say you can make a cheap snare sound good by the way you hit it, could you break that down for lesser experienced players by explaining how you do that in technical terms?
@jimilee3383
@jimilee3383 Жыл бұрын
Ok, I watched your video lol. U mentioned the black beauty and I got a brass on brass black beauty 6 1/2 by 14 13 years ago and I've never used any of my other ones. It's a magical dream!!!
@banditY2K
@banditY2K 6 жыл бұрын
Great vid Rob and I've come to the same conclusions after 50 years of drumming. One rule I have is if it takes an HD dry to make a snare sound decent, you need a new snare. ;)
@lac0rde
@lac0rde Жыл бұрын
That hits home. I haven't been able to use anything other than a HD Dry on my current snare. So I guess it's time for an upgrade.
@nathanwalsh3028
@nathanwalsh3028 6 жыл бұрын
Well done. My grandfather always told me it's a poor carpenter who blames his hammer... Like you say it doesn't matter what type of drum you have the sound comes from you the player not necessarily so much by the equipment that you play. I've played some of the cheapest nastiest duck taped up drum sets ever and I still find a way to make them sound like me. Keep in mind that's without sitting there with my tuning key and my drum dial trying to make them sound good. Remember you are the sound not the drums!
@lqgrxdeb
@lqgrxdeb 6 жыл бұрын
I own a number of snare drums. One of them is a CB 700 snare drum just like the one in your video, Rob. Actually, it sounds pretty good. I also own a Percussion Plus 10 lug steel snare drum that sounds really good. I also own a Gretsch Maple 5X14 and a Ludwig maple snare drum from 1968. I personally like metal snare drums better and have always used them. My two favorite snare drums that I use virtually all of the time are a Ludwig Supraphonic aluminum snare drum from 1978 and a Rogers Dyna Sonic brass snare drum from 1977. Both of these are 5X14 drums and both of them sound fabulous. I have a video of the comparison of these two drums on YT under the name Daniel Casher. I have to say that the Dyna Sonic sounds just a bit brighter than the Ludwig Supraphonic, but there isn't a whole lot of difference in the quality of the sounds of both drums. You can still buy a Supraphonic brand new for around $400 and they still sound great. Unfortunately, you can't still buy a Dyna Sonic new. I paid $30 for the one I have (yes, I said $30) I put about another $60-70 in it and cleaned it up and it looks just like new and sounds great. The guy who sold it to me didn't know what he had and it had been sitting under an outdoor shed for several years. The rest of the old Rogers drum set was unable to be saved, but the snare was. And once again, Rob, you are right...much of how drums and cymbals sound has to do with who is playing them. I have heard drums sets sound awful and then good, just by whomever was playing them at the time!
@garyh4458
@garyh4458 4 жыл бұрын
Solid video. I just got into drumming and my kit came with the same crappy snare you have in the video. Right now I am terrible but once I am get good enough I'll get a nicer snare. I'm not going to spend money on a good snare until I can play it well.
@steadyintime7775
@steadyintime7775 6 жыл бұрын
@Rob Brown This video was providentially timed. I was seriously considering selling my PDP 18-ply 14x6.5 bubinga-maple snare. I figured I could do just fine with a cheaper steel Ludwig that I’ve had for a little while. I did make the Ludwig sound pretty darn nice with a few upgrades in the heads and wires. But after considering the points made in this video, I would much rather sell the Ludwig and keep the PDP. Just the visual aspect of that snare alone raises the entire level of my kit, Not to mention the dynamic range of sound I can get out of the instrument. Thanks so much for sharing your honest an informed opinions.
@MyRideHas2Wheels
@MyRideHas2Wheels 4 жыл бұрын
I have to agree 100% with you, I have 4 snares including the one that came with my kit, my favorite being my brass patina pork pie, but o have a nice TAMA piccolo snare that’s great, and a nice little M-80 popcorn snare. I’m a little bit of a snare junky. My step son just got and old no name snare from his grandfather. Gonna spruce it up and check it out.
@zcookie9272
@zcookie9272 6 жыл бұрын
I love my Cb snare. Yes I've put money into it. But everyone loves it. Made it sound like bonzo snare. And I have a DW drum kit.
@digthemusicman483
@digthemusicman483 5 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@jacobpinacle7289
@jacobpinacle7289 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome grooves and sense of humor man lol!!
@ludwigvistilite
@ludwigvistilite 6 жыл бұрын
I use a 6.5x14 Ludwig supraphonic. It is my all-time favorite. It is a chrome plated ALUMINUM shell. The aluminum is a dry sounding metal and the chrome brightens it up just right. I also like my 5x14 Ludwig acrylic vistalite. It sounds much bigger than 5" depth. Very controlled but bright. Ludwig also makes a non chromed aluminum shell that sounds awesome in recordings- the acrolite. Very underrated snare IMHO. HOW YOU HIT THE SNARE and how it is tuned with good heads/wires and the type of stick matter A LOT to the sound.
@raymondlugo9960
@raymondlugo9960 2 жыл бұрын
My brother in law gave me one years ago. I didn't realize at the time how great it is. Now I do.
@TheStobb50
@TheStobb50 4 жыл бұрын
I was given a pro session drum kit. the kit was horrible but the snare drum is excellent I still use it as a spare, lovely crisp sound and verry good for recording
@sprigg87
@sprigg87 6 жыл бұрын
I bought 2 14 by 4.5 gp piccolo, tama imperialstar and mapex voyager snare for $60 each, changed the heads on all of them sound great. the expensive snares I have are mapex mpx (100 plus tax) and yamaha stage custom ($120 plus tax). I agree with what ur saying but the price range I believe should be between 90-150
@RA2Music
@RA2Music 6 жыл бұрын
I have made a point of taking inexpensive snares (not cheap, like you said, some drums are simply irredeemable) and with some TLC getting them sound like drums costing twice as much. I find this is possible from most of the good drum companies, but with Yamaha in particular. If you can start with something decent then you can get a great sound with some knowledge and experience, believe me. However, I recently saw a video of Benny Greb playing the poop out a SpongeBob Squarepants toy drum set. Although I was shocked and amazed, it serves to reinforce you idea that it’s the player you makes the instrument, not the other way around. Do I think Benny is going to chuck his Sonor SQ2 for that toy kit, no of course not, but he could show up to the gig with any kit and play it down like a boss. Practice you skills and let the drums you play highlight or enhance them. Great video Rob, an important idea for consideration.
@thomasmoje5926
@thomasmoje5926 5 жыл бұрын
I have a varied collection of snare drums everything from an early 70's Rogers 'Dynasonic' COB (which is still considered a 'high end' snare drum), a Ludwig early 70's 'Supersensitive' (another 'high end' snare), to 'cheap' snare drums. One of my favorites is a non-descript (no name) custom-made 5 x 14" wood shell (I think it is mahogany) with wood hoops that I purchased brand new from a local music store for the princely sum of $59.00 + sales tax. That drum just happened to be well made with quality components and it sounds great. I don't know how the person who built that drum made it for that price but it happens to be a good drum. I lucked out on that one. I do agree though that really on 'cheap' drums the hardware and components for the most part (like the snare strainer throwoff mechanism) are usually minimal quality and don't last in the long run. General rule is you get what you pay for, particularly as one writer commented about cymbals. You can modify less expensive drums to sound decent but spending more money on good cymbals is well worth the investment.
@ronniefuhr7085
@ronniefuhr7085 6 жыл бұрын
Just bought a ludwig supraphonic LM402 for $300 on ebay.. excellent condition. . Thanks
@jwebby85
@jwebby85 6 жыл бұрын
If your kick drum is the heartbeat, your snare drum is your soul. Do not ever show up to a gig with a cheap snare drum or cheap cymbals. You won’t get called again.
@SebastianGonzalez-nl7rq
@SebastianGonzalez-nl7rq 2 жыл бұрын
I just get used pdp snare drums and i can honestly say they sound great if you tune them right
@MaguSdelFiasco
@MaguSdelFiasco 6 жыл бұрын
Totally perfect video man. Could not agree more
@dud3man6969
@dud3man6969 4 жыл бұрын
The first kit I ever bought had that CB snare. Higher quality snare drums are easier to get a good sound out of, and they feel better. The Yamaha Absolute Maple Hybrid snare is one of, if not the best sounding, feeling snare I’ve ever heard or played.
@houseofpills
@houseofpills 6 жыл бұрын
Ludwig Acrolites are affordable and sound good-dry and responsive if set up properly. They’re not as bulletproof as high end snares but can take a beating!
@eyesoftheworld73
@eyesoftheworld73 3 жыл бұрын
I love the sound of the first snare
@GUSCRAWF0RD
@GUSCRAWF0RD 2 жыл бұрын
I think I have a westbury branded 5” snare like that, and honestly I can’t really complain about it, it’s great. It suspiciously has the exact same heads and snare on it
@U2WB
@U2WB 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, I really enjoyed it. I just have one question : I noticed that it *appears* you may have upgraded the wires on the cheap snare to Puresound - is that the case ? If so wouldn’t that have contributed a bit to the decent sound you were able to extract from it ?
@martinlaporte2112
@martinlaporte2112 5 жыл бұрын
I own several DW snares that cost me good money but they are worth it because all the hardware is high quality and very sturdy and the craftsmanship is top notch. I also own very cheap snares and the biggest differences are that the top of the line snares stay in tune for a long time, they sound good at all tunings and they are much louder than the cheap ones. Great video.
@brysondockrill4378
@brysondockrill4378 4 жыл бұрын
Best bang for your buck is an 80's Tama Swingstar. They're made with a seamless steel shell and can be scooped up for $40-100 depending on condition. Same shell as the imperialstars, etc.
@dangermartin69
@dangermartin69 4 жыл бұрын
I just got one, a 1982 model. Cleaned it all up, new snare wires and bottom skin and wow, it sounds great. Way better than the steel one that came with my Rockstar kit in 2003.
@brysondockrill4378
@brysondockrill4378 4 жыл бұрын
@@dangermartin69 After 25 years, my throwoff bit it, so I put one of the current high-end Tama throws on it for $50. I'd put it against any $400+ steel snare.
@scottlowell493
@scottlowell493 6 жыл бұрын
One of the most iconic snare drum sounds- Stewart Copeland of the Police used a basic tama steel snare. $100 in 1980.
@marshallhall2140
@marshallhall2140 4 жыл бұрын
" Great Video & Great Point About Putting In The Time Needed To Validate Purchasing Upgraded Equipment " ......! Agreed If You Are A Pro ,You Can Make A Less Expensive (Instrument) Snare Sound Good For The Moment ".....!
@davidcurtis4478
@davidcurtis4478 6 жыл бұрын
Rob you made me laugh a lot during this video. Awesome dude! All good points! Keep groovin'! DC
@jwebby85
@jwebby85 Жыл бұрын
I’m commenting again on a 5 year old video to help someone struggling to find a great snare at an affordable price. If that is you, you need to check out the Tama SLP line of snares, the Pearl Session Studio Select snare (14x6.5 will run you about $250), and the Pearl Sensitone Heritage line (most expensive snare they offer in this line is a 14x6.5 Black Brass for $400).
@JulianFernandez
@JulianFernandez 6 жыл бұрын
Weck recorded most of Master Plan with a Kent snare... It´s cool to indulge yourself with a nice snare, life´s short. But don´t lose sleep over gear. Gear is just gear. Cool vid!
@jonathanfrieze8497
@jonathanfrieze8497 5 жыл бұрын
I got lucky and found a combo up.for auction unknown hats a 60s keystone badge ludwig lm400 superphonic and a bunch of hardware a speed king kick pedal 2 cymbal stands 60s slingerland hi hat stand amd a snare stand for 225 and by the way the unknown hats were small stamp 1950s zildjians ooohhh how the sweet things find me. Went a got a coated ambassador amd now im just letting it blow my mind its amazing how different snares or cymbals seem to play u instead of the other way around
@AJK.630
@AJK.630 Жыл бұрын
If you’re on a limited budget, the best thing you can do is put money on the snare. If you grab a used, but decent shape Supraphonic - tune it well, your sound will be much better. Cymbals obviously too, I’d say after the snare, find the right ride cymbal to really craft your sound!
@mw13068
@mw13068 6 жыл бұрын
This same debate happens again and again on guitar forums. "Is my Squier Strat OK, or do I need a 'real' guitar to sound good?" The answer of course is (as you suggest) the _player_ makes the instrument sound good. That fact taken on its own suggests that it doesn't make sense to buy expensive gear from the perspective of the audience member. Buying more expensive gear simply makes the experience better for the player -- which is important, but only to the player.
@powbobs
@powbobs 3 жыл бұрын
mw13068 Hate the skinny necks on Squiers.
@failuretolaunchdrums
@failuretolaunchdrums Жыл бұрын
Also… my CB700 free-floating brass shell 14x8(?) still has a great sound to this day.
@TheSPACEDIEVEST1
@TheSPACEDIEVEST1 4 жыл бұрын
Rob you rock brother. I just picked up a Pearl Reference Brass 5 by 14 on ebay for $500, half the price of what they are going for. I’m excited about this. I have a reference kit with the snare but I wasn’t too thrilled with the snare even though its built like a tank. I will be attending NAMM in ‘20 at the Anaheim Convention Center and if your there I would like to meet you. Anyways good video
@Bob-nu3xe
@Bob-nu3xe 6 жыл бұрын
Great vid Rob Its reliability and quality you pay for, good drummers will get the bests out of any drum
@jwebby85
@jwebby85 6 жыл бұрын
Tama SLP line of snares. Very affordable and killer sounding. High quality snares, kinder prices.
@maixce
@maixce 6 жыл бұрын
Yes ;-) I have one, and it is a nice drum (alu 5x14). I also have more expensive Ludwig snares, and no doubt, I'll prefer those, if I had to choose one from the other. But, some times the Tama is my choice, so check them out.
@synthguy7774
@synthguy7774 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a pearl guy but I really love the SLP.
@vladimirlopez7840
@vladimirlopez7840 6 жыл бұрын
SLP line is phenomenal I own one as well. Power maple
@richboshart1201
@richboshart1201 6 жыл бұрын
The SLP line is the best value for the money. Yes, made in China which keeps the cost down but built to meet Tama’s demanding quality expectations in a Tama-owned factory.
@Assimilator702
@Assimilator702 5 жыл бұрын
@@richboshart1201 It's a Tama factory...just in China. It's not only built to Tamas high quality standards.....it's built BY Tama. SLP line of snares are excellent. Every bit as good as a Japan, US or German made drum.
@curtishill109
@curtishill109 5 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. What's up Broheem!
@slimjim1104
@slimjim1104 6 жыл бұрын
One of my all time favorite snares for the money are 70s era acrolites. My main gigging snare. Find em easy for 100 to 150 in good shape.
@Timbales-sj3sq
@Timbales-sj3sq 6 жыл бұрын
slim jim Where?
@slimjim1104
@slimjim1104 6 жыл бұрын
Timbales1979 I've gotten mine all off Craigslist. Last one I got came with case, new heads and snare wires. For 100 bucks. In good shape. Paid 120 for another. See them in my area often.
@TheLatinBlast
@TheLatinBlast 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob...can you make a follow up video where you take that CB snare and make it sound as good as possible using your tuning majic? Please....
@nosmoking2933
@nosmoking2933 6 жыл бұрын
I have a relatively inexpensive Mapex V Series snare drum, one of the snare strings snapped halfway thru a show once. The drum itself sounded OK but not the best, so I took off both the Remo heads and replaced them with Aquarian ones, re-snared it, and placed one blob of MoonGel on the batter head, and now it sounds SICK!!!!!!!!!!! P.S I know how to hit a snare drum too.
@aikidragonpiper71
@aikidragonpiper71 6 жыл бұрын
I definitely want a nicer snare than the one that came with my kit. I do have a nice 1963 Ludwig Marching snare that I got for dirt cheap. I like to play rock on it right beside my kit snare. Of course I only use it on hard rock stuff because it’s 15” marching snare that pops like a cannon. But it’s becoming increasingly difficult to find 15” snare heads. But my cheap 14” 6/12 kit snare takes a lot of work to sound good. Hopefully I can find a deal. I got a crazy deal on my marching snare. $15 . It had busted heads but nothing else wrong ,a little rust but not bad for 1963.
@hillboy1880
@hillboy1880 4 жыл бұрын
Great channel!
@ryanspeed4671
@ryanspeed4671 6 жыл бұрын
Thx for the video Rob...
@MsLiboma
@MsLiboma 7 ай бұрын
I just bought a pearl black steel sensitone which I prefer to my 67 lm 400 . Works for me I guess it’s not a super cheap drum but defs mid range . I’ve been playing 40 yrs ( less consistently than Rob I’m sure 😂) so hopefully I hit the thing musically too 🎉
@michaelmasuda7096
@michaelmasuda7096 2 жыл бұрын
When I was young, my dad bought me a Rogers kit complete with a Dynasonic snare. Because I was a stupid young kid, I had no idea what I was doing with the snare rail. So after a while, the snare started falling apart, I was over choking the snare wire mechanism, and tuning up the beater head until the lugs broke. My friends at the time decided to buy me a $30 Player snare drum for my birthday. Initially, it sounded pretty good, but over a period of a few years, things started falling apart on it. I did everything I could to make sure to get a decent sound out of it, but it was a failing and futile process. Fast forward over two decades. I finally broke down and bought a Ludwig Supraphonic LM402 snare drum. Upon putting new heads and a new snare wire set on, the first hit sounded exactly like what I’ve been trying to do with that crappy $30 snare drum yet never quite achieving it. I cried. I cried because I wasted over two decades toiling over a $30 snare drum to get it to do what I wanted it to do. It would go out of tune quickly. The snare wire mechanism started bending out of shape due to cheap materials. The Ludwig was a breeze in comparison. My advice to any aspiring young drummer is to invest in a decent snare drum early on. Ludwig Acrolite Drums are great and can be found for around $200. They are incredible beginner drums. Do not do what I did and waste 1/4 of my lifetime on a cheap ass drum. It’s not worth it. Had I a better drum to work with early on, I probably would have excelled on the kit faster, and probably would have been getting a hell of a lot more gigs along the way. And my home recordings would probably have not have suffered so much from aggravation over getting the snare drum to sound good.
@michaelmasuda7096
@michaelmasuda7096 2 жыл бұрын
Epilogue: I went back last year to pull out the Rogers Dynasonic from storage. It was all in pieces, but I brought it home and cleaned every part. I ordered new lugs and installed them. I even bought a diecast hoop. I put on a fresh new set of snare wires and tuned it up. I wish I would’ve done that 25 years ago. It was so sad to think that this incredible drum sat in shambles in storage for that long without any love. It is now the crown in my collection of snare drums. It sounds amazing.
@BehindtheBeatwithChrisLangan
@BehindtheBeatwithChrisLangan 6 жыл бұрын
Dude that's funny you did this video. I have a few snares myself. A friend of mine had this Pearl steel shell snare that he didnt know what to do with so he gave it to me and said sell it to one of your students. Long story short, I gave him $30 recently after having it for a few months because I set it up one day...And loved the way it sounded! Hahaha.
@Rhema144
@Rhema144 22 күн бұрын
I have high end snares and I have cheap Snares if you put tuner lug locks on cheap snare Tension rods they won’t go out of tune you change out the snare wires and the throw off and the strainer and you put good heads on it and tune it right cheap snares can last for the long-haul and they can sound great some of my cheap snares that I have had sound wise using them in larger venues have gotten more compliments from other drummers and other musicians than my super expensive high-end snares
@slimpotato3332
@slimpotato3332 5 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree with you absolutely. I would never get a cheap snare that will break in a year just so I have to buy another one again. I got the folks at artifact percussion to custom make me a 14x4 piccolo snare, three different adjustable snares and diecast hoops and I’m fine that I’m paying 650 dollars for that. I love piccolos and a 14x4 sounds just like a regular snare the way they are making it but still keeping a very nice articulate sound on the soft side like a piccolo.
@IFBSal
@IFBSal 6 жыл бұрын
I recommend getting a PDP Concept Snare. Probably one of the best snares on the market if you're on a budget
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